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(Huffington Post)   "Safe sex is a joke, there is no such thing" Quoted from... A) A medical professional, B) A conservative street activist, C) A state funded crisis pregnancy center employee in Virginia   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 36
    More: Stupid, crisis pregnancy centers, Falls Church, NARAL, unplanned pregnancy, Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles, birth control, Dolores Wisecarver  
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2013-08-08 06:26:30 PM
11 votes:
FTFA: Wisecarver said staff always explain to women that they are not a medical office and direct them to make an appointment at a doctor's office, adding that they even pay for women's doctor's visits.

I fail to understand why the State is legally permitted to fund non-medical centers that dispense demonstrably false medical information. DIsclaimer notwithstanding, this is for all intents and purposes practicing medicine without a license.

FTFA: We feel that a woman's fertility is a normal thing -- you have to take meds when you're sick, not when you're healthy, and all medication has side effects. I took birth control for years didn't know how sick it was making me until I stopped."

What she "feels" does not deserve state funding any more than my "feelings" do. While it is true that all medications have side effects, the fact is that women also take hormonal contraceptives for medical reasons entirely unrelated to pregnancy. Again this is practicing medicine without a license. Why isn't NARAL pushing for their prosecution?
2013-08-08 08:14:41 PM
8 votes:
Remember: When you have to lie to make your point, you don't have one.
2013-08-08 05:54:41 PM
5 votes:
Sex is a sin

/Lying is perfectly acceptable
2013-08-08 08:48:20 PM
4 votes:
Hey I know! Let liberals take a page from the conservative playbook. Require a licensed doctor on staff at all CPC's that is responsible for ALL advice given. That doctor must have a license I practice in the state and malpractice insurance. They are liable for malpractice based on the center's advice.

The lulz would be epic.
2013-08-08 07:35:19 PM
4 votes:
The organizations are part of a national network of about 2,500 Christian centers

And there you have it. How the F*CK do these people get taxpayer money?
2013-08-08 07:45:47 PM
3 votes:

LordJiro: Well, to be fair, the quote as quoted is accurate. There is no such thing as 100% safe sex. Condoms and other prophylactics break, and birth control doesn't prevent STDs,

I DNRTFA, though, so I'm assuming there is a lot more derp besides the headline quote.


When I worked at Planned Parenthood we called it safer sex.
2013-08-08 07:38:01 PM
3 votes:
Once again, right wingers show their true colors: not interested in doing anything to promote health, they just want to punish women for daring to have nonprocreative, non-married sex. The right wing is no better than the Taliban, they just use a different book of fairy stories.
2013-08-08 07:10:56 PM
3 votes:
The amount of lying an organization must do in order to achieve its goals in inversely proportional to the organization's virtue and utility.

-UiH
2013-08-09 08:07:39 AM
2 votes:

Bennie Crabtree: NkThrasher: Safe != Zero Risk.

You might get some bites though anyway.

But that is the crisis workers' point exactly. Yet posters in this thread are calling her names and saying she is incorrect.


/ugh this is a Politics htread after all
//Bites? I acutally thought everyone had me on ignore by now


Because not only is she wrong, she is lying her ass off.  When you say shiat like:
"Condoms are naturally porous"
"The first three ingredients in the birth control pill are carcinogens"
"A number of reliable studies have demonstrated a connection between abortion and later development of breast cancer."
"an abortion could cause your body to create antibodies that would attack your baby the next time I got pregnant."

You are not just wrong.  You are not just demonstrably wrong.  You are WILLFULLY LYING AND DECEIVING people, which - if you're Christian as these assholes claim to be - is one of the BIG TEN THINGS YOUR GOD DOES NOT WANT YOU TO DO.
2013-08-08 09:39:27 PM
2 votes:

jpo2269: WTF is the problem with said statement?  There is no form of birth control that is 100% effective.  I am in no way advocating abstinence, but the only sure fire way to ensure you do not get pregnant is not to have sex.


she was told that condoms don't actually prevent STDs and that birth control frequently causes hair loss, memory loss, headaches, weight gain, fatal blood clots and breast cancer.

"The first three ingredients in the birth control pill are carcinogens," the CPC counselor said, adding that she always tries to talk women out of taking it.

The counselor also told the woman that condoms are not effective at preventing pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases because they are "naturally porous."

"Safe sex is a joke," she said. "There's no such thing."

/always a good idea to read the article
2013-08-08 07:11:31 PM
2 votes:
Well, to be fair, the quote as quoted is accurate. There is no such thing as 100% safe sex. Condoms and other prophylactics break, and birth control doesn't prevent STDs,

I DNRTFA, though, so I'm assuming there is a lot more derp besides the headline quote.
2013-08-09 12:00:55 AM
1 votes:
DISCLAIMER
***WARNING THIS POST CONTAINS CBS***
Poster did NOT read TFA, story possible unrelated.

Reminds me of back in high school, they had a couple (husband/wife) come in and do a presentation about how monogamy is always the best option. They show the stander gross out STD slideshow, told all the statistics on condoms and birth control (though they didn't really expand on the topic or different types), and handed out virgin pledge cards.

At one point the man asked "How long do you think the average sexual intercourse lasts?" as which one of the students replies "a half hour", the man laughed and told us that it was more like five minutes.  I remember thinking that if you only had one partner your entire life then how would you know if you doing it right?
2013-08-08 11:36:20 PM
1 votes:

austerity101: lacrossestar83: Keep on fighting the War on Sex, conservatives.  It'll surely win you vast support.

Sadly, it does work on a lot of people, because of slut-shaming.  Women don't want to be seen as sluts, so they criticize other women as sluts to make themselves look better.  This especially happens around abortion:  "Well, I'm a happy married woman and I'm not some cheap slut who has to get abortions and use birth control because she can't keep her legs together."


This is true and if those pure women allow hussies to run around they may steal their husband. It really is an I got mine so piss off sort of thing.
2013-08-08 11:32:20 PM
1 votes:

Bennie Crabtree: Nobody who is aware of the existence of statistics, actuarial science, or how materials work, could think that.


The Theocrat Party doesn't believe in science.
2013-08-08 11:20:51 PM
1 votes:

MayoSlather: If you can get gonorrrhea from a tractor seat then it stands to reason that safe sex in all forms is a myth.


You can't get gonorrhea from a tractor seat if you're wearing pants, freak.
2013-08-08 10:54:06 PM
1 votes:

jpo2269: WTF is the problem with said statement?  There is no form of birth control that is 100% effective.  I am in no way advocating abstinence, but the only sure fire way to ensure you do not get pregnant is not to have sex.


RTFA, the counselors made some truly outrageous claims.

Anyway, life is risk management.

If you're going to talk about the small percentage chance of getting pregnant while using multiple forms of birth control, let's also talk about the chances of dying of pregnancy, the chances of being raped ("legitimately") and getting pregnant from the attack, the large chance of not having sex leading to extreme irritability ...
2013-08-08 10:29:15 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: The organizations are part of a national network of about 2,500 Christian centers

And there you have it. How the F*CK do these people get taxpayer money?


These organizations receive state money through the sale of "Choose Life" license plates at the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles. Ken Cuccinelli, Virginia's Republican gubernatorial candidate, sponsored the legislation that established that fundraising system during his time in the state senate.
2013-08-08 10:10:03 PM
1 votes:
Wyalt Derp: I think you'll find that almost 100% of condoms have a hole in them.

... You know how I know that have absolutely no understanding of Topology?
2013-08-08 10:06:16 PM
1 votes:
I am getting tired of deploying this one, y'all.

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/and I still need to create an EW YUKK SEX?? one.
2013-08-08 09:28:27 PM
1 votes:
Keep on fighting the War on Sex, conservatives.  It'll surely win you vast support.
2013-08-08 09:18:26 PM
1 votes:

HypnozombieX:  Sex is evil wrong and you should fell ashamed for even thinking about it.
Yeah, that's pretty much been the southern strategy for as long as I can remember.


Women really need to stop putting out for people who vote to punish women for sex.

Balls are literally in your court, ladies.
2013-08-08 08:43:49 PM
1 votes:
That's what safewords are for.
2013-08-08 08:40:44 PM
1 votes:

Wyalt Derp: I think you'll find that almost 100% of condoms have a hole in them.


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2013-08-08 08:15:25 PM
1 votes:
The state needs to pay for this, severely. This goes beyond just being dumb and right out to public health issues.
2013-08-08 08:01:06 PM
1 votes:

grumpfuff: Somehow I doubt she means what you seem to think she means. And hey, let's not forget the dispensing obviously false medical advice part.


*re-reads article instead of scanning it*
 
Well I am stupid.
2013-08-08 07:52:54 PM
1 votes:
A "Christian" crisis pregnancy center lying about reproductive science? What, was the [Obvious] tag out getting a transvaginal ultrasound?
2013-08-08 07:51:42 PM
1 votes:

Bennie Crabtree: NkThrasher: Safe != Zero Risk.

You might get some bites though anyway.

But that is the crisis workers' point exactly. Yet posters in this thread are calling her names and saying she is incorrect.


/ugh this is a Politics htread after all
//Bites? I acutally thought everyone had me on ignore by now


Sex with a condom is much safer than sex without a condom. Obviously nothing is 100% and some diseases like herpes can be spread even when a condom is used, but a person will be better served employing a condom when engaging in intercourse.
2013-08-08 07:40:26 PM
1 votes:
Of course what they are doing is horrible, but how farking stupid do you have to be to believe something like "Condoms are naturally porous."
2013-08-08 07:38:24 PM
1 votes:

netgamer7k: Was sex talked about this much back like 50 years ago? It's farkin' on the news every day.


Because the church is losing. People know sex is fun, and methods of preventing pregnancy let you have the fun without the headache of kids. CPC's would rather women get pregnant and be forced to carry the kid to term as a punishment for having fun.
2013-08-08 07:33:58 PM
1 votes:

netgamer7k: Was sex talked about this much back like 50 years ago? It's farkin' on the news every day.


it sells. always has

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2013-08-08 07:29:05 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sex is a sin

/Lying is perfectly acceptable


Thread over.
2013-08-08 07:26:52 PM
1 votes:

LordJiro: Well, to be fair, the quote as quoted is accurate. There is no such thing as 100% safe sex. Condoms and other prophylactics break, and birth control doesn't prevent STDs,

I DNRTFA, though, so I'm assuming there is a lot more derp besides the headline quote.


If we're using those criteria, then abstinence is not 100% effective either, because you might get raped, or sit in a hot tub with a guy who gets a little too excited, or impregnated by God or something.

/ Also, effectiveness rates for birth control methods tend to take into account both "perfect use" and "typical use." I've never heard an abstinence advocate do the "typical use" analysis for abstinence...
2013-08-08 07:24:18 PM
1 votes:
Well technically condoms don't stop all the diseases:
2013-08-08 07:16:02 PM
1 votes:
I have to agree with the lady.  You could be wearing a condom and your partner may hit you in the head with an axe because it is the wrong brand.

Perhaps, she should have also reminded the customer that pregnancy leads to death; therefore, no one should ever become pregnant.  And breathing may cause you to inhale a bug, which is kind of nasty.

Of course, given the political bent of the state, why is it a mystery that the woman is an idiot?
2013-08-08 07:11:08 PM
1 votes:
The counselor also told the woman that condoms are not effective at preventing pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases because they are "naturally porous."

This one I've always wondered about how people can think it works that way.

Step 1) Fill a bottle with water.
Step 2) Unroll a condom and stick it over the mouth of the bottle.
Step 3) Flip the bottle over so the water flows into the condom.
Step 4) Note the lack of water flowing out of the "pores" in the condom.

If it effectively holds water, it's going to hold back sperm.  Sure if you filled a condom with sperm laden fluid and put it under pressure and left it inside a woman for an extended period of time then some might well escape.  But given how few sperm actually make it to the egg even when there's nothing impeding their progress the chances of pregnancy are rather slim.
2013-08-08 07:02:23 PM
1 votes:

Somacandra: I fail to understand why the State is legally permitted to fund non-medical centers that dispense demonstrably false medical information. DIsclaimer notwithstanding, this is for all intents and purposes practicing medicine without a license.


Uh huh, and who issues the license?

There ya go.
 
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