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2013-08-08 11:48:19 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: grumpfuff: Somehow I doubt she means what you seem to think she means. And hey, let's not forget the dispensing obviously false medical advice part.

*re-reads article instead of scanning it*
 
Well I am stupid.


That's why so many people have you on ignore
 
2013-08-09 12:00:26 AM  

publicintelligence.net woodgatesview.files.wordpress.com wonkette.com

Virginia is for Lovers Hovers!

 
2013-08-09 12:00:55 AM  

DISCLAIMER
***WARNING THIS POST CONTAINS CBS***
Poster did NOT read TFA, story possible unrelated.


Reminds me of back in high school, they had a couple (husband/wife) come in and do a presentation about how monogamy is always the best option. They show the stander gross out STD slideshow, told all the statistics on condoms and birth control (though they didn't really expand on the topic or different types), and handed out virgin pledge cards.

At one point the man asked "How long do you think the average sexual intercourse lasts?" as which one of the students replies "a half hour", the man laughed and told us that it was more like five minutes.  I remember thinking that if you only had one partner your entire life then how would you know if you doing it right?
 
2013-08-09 12:14:00 AM  

tjsands1118: DISCLAIMER
***WARNING THIS POST CONTAINS CBS***
Poster did NOT read TFA, story possible unrelated.
Reminds me of back in high school, they had a couple (husband/wife) come in and do a presentation about how monogamy is always the best option. They show the stander gross out STD slideshow, told all the statistics on condoms and birth control (though they didn't really expand on the topic or different types), and handed out virgin pledge cards.

At one point the man asked "How long do you think the average sexual intercourse lasts?" as which one of the students replies "a half hour", the man laughed and told us that it was more like five minutes.  I remember thinking that if you only had one partner your entire life then how would you know if you doing it right?


His poor, poor wife... To be tied for the rest of her life to a Johnny come early.
 
2013-08-09 12:15:41 AM  

Gyrfalcon: MayoSlather: If you can get gonorrrhea from a tractor seat then it stands to reason that safe sex in all forms is a myth.

You can't get gonorrhea from a tractor seat if you're wearing pants, freak.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t26o3PWLA-o
 
2013-08-09 12:58:42 AM  

Selena Luna: tjsands1118: DISCLAIMER
***WARNING THIS POST CONTAINS CBS***
Poster did NOT read TFA, story possible unrelated.
Reminds me of back in high school, they had a couple (husband/wife) come in and do a presentation about how monogamy is always the best option. They show the stander gross out STD slideshow, told all the statistics on condoms and birth control (though they didn't really expand on the topic or different types), and handed out virgin pledge cards.

At one point the man asked "How long do you think the average sexual intercourse lasts?" as which one of the students replies "a half hour", the man laughed and told us that it was more like five minutes.  I remember thinking that if you only had one partner your entire life then how would you know if you doing it right?

His poor, poor wife... To be tied for the rest of her life to a Johnny come early.


Took the words out of my mouth. Just wow....
 
2013-08-09 01:07:13 AM  

fusillade762: The organizations are part of a national network of about 2,500 Christian centers

And there you have it. How the F*CK do these people get taxpayer money?


Someone put up a pregnancy crisis center poster in the college lobby once. I was seriously tempted to write THIS IS A SCAM in big letters over it, but I was worried it was genuine. Ahhh, my naive youth...
 
2013-08-09 01:47:08 AM  

NkThrasher: The counselor also told the woman that condoms are not effective at preventing pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases because they are "naturally porous."

This one I've always wondered about how people can think it works that way.

Step 1) Fill a bottle with water.
Step 2) Unroll a condom and stick it over the mouth of the bottle.
Step 3) Flip the bottle over so the water flows into the condom.
Step 4) Note the lack of water flowing out of the "pores" in the condom.

If it effectively holds water, it's going to hold back sperm.  Sure if you filled a condom with sperm laden fluid and put it under pressure and left it inside a woman for an extended period of time then some might well escape.  But given how few sperm actually make it to the egg even when there's nothing impeding their progress the chances of pregnancy are rather slim.


This is inaccurate pseudoscience
 
2013-08-09 01:57:57 AM  

Bane of Broone: Fart_Machine: MayoSlather: If you can get gonorrrhea from a tractor seat then it stands to reason that safe sex in all forms is a myth.

Is riding a tractor while naked common?

Maybe from a photo shoot?

(NSFW!)


They're telling the truth when they say there ain't no money in farming. That poor girl can't afford to clothe herself. That's why I have set up a non-profit charity to provide personal care and attention to all naked farmer chicks who are reasonably hot. Give till it hurts.
 
2013-08-09 02:00:01 AM  

Magruda: Sure if you filled a condom with sperm laden fluid and put it under pressure and left it inside a woman for an extended period of time then some might well escape. But given how few sperm actually make it to the egg even when there's nothing impeding their progress the chances of pregnancy are rather slim.

This is inaccurate pseudoscience


Well, yes.  But on the bright side, if you find a women kinky enough to allow you to put a pressurized sperm laden condom in her for an extended period, odds are you can talk her into doing something with you that is actually fun.
 
2013-08-09 02:25:02 AM  
The counselor is obviously the victim, here.

The hipsters in Portland have all reassured me that the War on Women is being waged only by men, and that conservative women do not exist. I hope the counselor files charges against whoever was holding the gun to her head.
 
2013-08-09 02:47:11 AM  
condoms don't prevent the spread of herpes.
 
2013-08-09 03:28:17 AM  

proteus_b: condoms don't prevent the spread of herpes.


Almost nothing prevents the spread of herpes.

Except death.
 
2013-08-09 03:34:28 AM  
Actually, there is "safe sex".  It takes place when healthy partners who have maintained a monogamous relationship have sex.  If the sex must be safe without the possibility of childbirth, then either such sex must be same-sex, or any women involved must have gone through menopause.
 
2013-08-09 03:59:16 AM  

crozzo: Bane of Broone: Fart_Machine: MayoSlather: If you can get gonorrrhea from a tractor seat then it stands to reason that safe sex in all forms is a myth.

Is riding a tractor while naked common?

Maybe from a photo shoot?

(NSFW!)

They're telling the truth when they say there ain't no money in farming. That poor girl can't afford to clothe herself. That's why I have set up a non-profit charity to provide personal care and attention to all naked farmer chicks who are reasonably hot. Give till it hurts.


I like the cut of jib, sir.
 
2013-08-09 04:01:43 AM  

Yamaneko2: If the sex must be safe without the possibility of childbirth, then either such sex must be same-sex, or blah blah woo.


You're a dork.
 
2013-08-09 05:49:12 AM  

jpo2269: WTF is the problem with said statement?  There is no form of birth control that is 100% effective.  I am in no way advocating abstinence, but the only sure fire way to ensure you do not get pregnant is not to have sex.


If you believe in the bible, there was that one girl....
 
2013-08-09 06:20:29 AM  

King Something: Condoms are not 100% effective. Neither are seatbelts.


There are a fair amount of conservatives that don't like those either. I'm willing to bet there's a lot of overlap between the two groups.
 
2013-08-09 06:22:04 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Wyalt Derp: I think you'll find that almost 100% of condoms have a hole in them.

... You know how I know that have absolutely no understanding of Topology?


I'm not up to date with gay terminology, but I think I know what a "bottom" is and I presume this is something to do with the opposite.
 
2013-08-09 06:49:32 AM  

fusillade762: Bennie Crabtree: This thread has more illogical claims per insult than a Politics thread. How can anyone think that there is sex with zero risk of pregnancy (risk is valid for heterosex only I suppose) or STDs (everyone is at risk)? Nobody who is aware of the existence of statistics, actuarial science, or how materials work, could think that. You don't even need to understand stats or engineering, you just have to know they exist, in order to get the point.

WTF are you talking about?


He's never heard of a vasectomy.
 
2013-08-09 07:33:18 AM  
These crisis pregnancy centers are farking disgusting. Human garbage.
 
2013-08-09 07:52:44 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sex is a sin

/Lying is perfectly acceptable


Thou shalt not bear false witness*

*Unless talking about sex, science, history, morality, whether or not you rape little boys. Also see volumes 1-100 of other exceptions that can be used only when speaking to non-believers.
 
2013-08-09 08:07:39 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: NkThrasher: Safe != Zero Risk.

You might get some bites though anyway.

But that is the crisis workers' point exactly. Yet posters in this thread are calling her names and saying she is incorrect.


/ugh this is a Politics htread after all
//Bites? I acutally thought everyone had me on ignore by now


Because not only is she wrong, she is lying her ass off.  When you say shiat like:
"Condoms are naturally porous"
"The first three ingredients in the birth control pill are carcinogens"
"A number of reliable studies have demonstrated a connection between abortion and later development of breast cancer."
"an abortion could cause your body to create antibodies that would attack your baby the next time I got pregnant."

You are not just wrong.  You are not just demonstrably wrong.  You are WILLFULLY LYING AND DECEIVING people, which - if you're Christian as these assholes claim to be - is one of the BIG TEN THINGS YOUR GOD DOES NOT WANT YOU TO DO.
 
2013-08-09 08:18:53 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: Of course what they are doing is horrible, but how farking stupid do you have to be to believe something like "Condoms are naturally porous."


I've seen it explained in one of those Chick tracts years ago as something like the molecules that make up a male gamete are smaller than the molecules that make up latex, and as such they can just slip through in the space between each molecule.

Even if that were true (which would require a sperm cell to be able to dissintegrate and then reform to make sense) by that logic EVERYTHING in the universe is porous: the volume of any atom's nucleus and electrons is insignificant compared to the volume of the space between the nucleus and the electrons. There is more nothing than something everywhere unless we're talking about the subatomic level.
 
2013-08-09 08:24:07 AM  
You have to at least give her partial credit for being somewhat right, sex is not 100% safe, biatches be crazy yo.
 
2013-08-09 08:26:13 AM  

crozzo: Bane of Broone: Fart_Machine: MayoSlather: If you can get gonorrrhea from a tractor seat then it stands to reason that safe sex in all forms is a myth.

Is riding a tractor while naked common?

Maybe from a photo shoot?

(NSFW!)

They're telling the truth when they say there ain't no money in farming. That poor girl can't afford to clothe herself. That's why I have set up a non-profit charity to provide personal care and attention to all naked farmer chicks who are reasonably hot. Give till it hurts.


  I've heard a lot of stories about people who's cars have broken down outside of farmer's houses, the farmer having daughter(s),  and receiving permission to spend the night at the farmer's house, but only under one condition.........,
 
2013-08-09 08:29:54 AM  
NARAL sent undercover women into several crisis pregnancy centers throughout Virginia and recorded their interactions.

So it looks like Breitbart was on to something.
 
2013-08-09 08:41:16 AM  
One counselor allegedly told NARAL's undercover investigator that if she was a certain blood type, the abortion could cause her body to create antibodies that would attack her fetus the next time she tried to get pregnant.

Oh, ffs.
 
2013-08-09 09:12:12 AM  

Selena Luna: tjsands1118: DISCLAIMER
***WARNING THIS POST CONTAINS CBS***
Poster did NOT read TFA, story possible unrelated.
Reminds me of back in high school, they had a couple (husband/wife) come in and do a presentation about how monogamy is always the best option. They show the stander gross out STD slideshow, told all the statistics on condoms and birth control (though they didn't really expand on the topic or different types), and handed out virgin pledge cards.

At one point the man asked "How long do you think the average sexual intercourse lasts?" as which one of the students replies "a half hour", the man laughed and told us that it was more like five minutes.  I remember thinking that if you only had one partner your entire life then how would you know if you doing it right?

His poor, poor wife... To be tied for the rest of her life to a Johnny come early.


She's probably with the new kid in town by now.
 
2013-08-09 09:23:19 AM  

Somacandra: FTFA: Wisecarver said staff always explain to women that they are not a medical office and direct them to make an appointment at a doctor's office, adding that they even pay for women's doctor's visits.

I fail to understand why the State is legally permitted to fund non-medical centers that dispense demonstrably false medical information. DIsclaimer notwithstanding, this is for all intents and purposes practicing medicine without a license.

FTFA: We feel that a woman's fertility is a normal thing -- you have to take meds when you're sick, not when you're healthy, and all medication has side effects. I took birth control for years didn't know how sick it was making me until I stopped."

What she "feels" does not deserve state funding any more than my "feelings" do. While it is true that all medications have side effects, the fact is that women also take hormonal contraceptives for medical reasons entirely unrelated to pregnancy. Again this is practicing medicine without a license. Why isn't NARAL pushing for their prosecution?


Even if the woman goes to a doctor's office, if she's in one of the states that dictate what doctors can say about abortion she will get some crazy lawmaker's thoughts on the matter rather than actual medical advice.
 
2013-08-09 09:30:12 AM  

TheJoe03: I always liked the concept of states rights but this kind of continued garbage by these conservative nutjobs is why it doesn't work. Do we have to wait for the boomers to die off for all this irrelevant culture war crap to finally go away?


You give the boomers too much credit.  I guarantee that gen-X or gen-Y or whatever will continue the tradition of ignorance.
 
2013-08-09 09:32:48 AM  

inglixthemad: Hey I know! Let liberals take a page from the conservative playbook. Require a licensed doctor on staff at all CPC's that is responsible for ALL advice given. That doctor must have a license I practice in the state and malpractice insurance. They are liable for malpractice based on the center's advice.

The lulz would be epic.


I like the idea, but I recall that Todd "Legitimate Rape" Adkins got his ideas from a licensed ob/gyn (shudder).
 
2013-08-09 09:40:21 AM  

Smackledorfer: HypnozombieX:  Sex is evil wrong and you should fell ashamed for even thinking about it.
Yeah, that's pretty much been the southern strategy for as long as I can remember.

Women really need to stop putting out for people who vote to punish women for sex.

Balls are literally in your court, ladies.


I will just bring that up at the next meeting of the female continuum.

(We could solve the world's crime and war problems if men would just stop engaging in those activities.  Balls in your court, guys. )
 
2013-08-09 09:40:42 AM  
The counselor also told the woman that condoms are not effective at preventing pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases because they are "naturally porous."

That's why nobody makes water balloons, that damned "naturally porous" rubber keeps letting the water leak out.
 
2013-08-09 10:01:00 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: fusillade762: Bennie Crabtree: This thread has more illogical claims per insult than a Politics thread. How can anyone think that there is sex with zero risk of pregnancy (risk is valid for heterosex only I suppose) or STDs (everyone is at risk)? Nobody who is aware of the existence of statistics, actuarial science, or how materials work, could think that. You don't even need to understand stats or engineering, you just have to know they exist, in order to get the point.

WTF are you talking about?

He's never heard of a vasectomy.


You think a vasectomy prevents STDs?
 
2013-08-09 10:42:55 AM  

Bane of Broone: [chillpops.files.wordpress.com image 632x721]


Is that satire or did someone actually try to claim that?
 
2013-08-09 10:44:20 AM  

Bane of Broone: TheJoe03: Bane of Broone: [chillpops.files.wordpress.com image 632x721]

LOL, is that real?

Unfortunately not.
 http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/3dfilm.asp


And now I look like an idiot.
 
2013-08-09 10:53:26 AM  

LordJiro: Well, to be fair, the quote as quoted is accurate. There is no such thing as 100% safe sex. Condoms and other prophylactics break, and birth control doesn't prevent STDs,

I DNRTFA, though, so I'm assuming there is a lot more derp besides the headline quote.


Yep, and there's no such thing as 100% safe skiing, or 100% safe cycling, or 100% safe driving, or 100% safe living, and yet I bet these people don't see anything wrong with taking reasonable risks so long as it doesn't involve dirty, sinful sex.
 
2013-08-09 10:53:55 AM  
Dahnkster:
img.fark.net

While I'd never make fun of the handicapped, that's an unfortunate choice of sign.
 
2013-08-09 10:58:51 AM  

Graffito: Smackledorfer: HypnozombieX:  Sex is evil wrong and you should fell ashamed for even thinking about it.
Yeah, that's pretty much been the southern strategy for as long as I can remember.

Women really need to stop putting out for people who vote to punish women for sex.

Balls are literally in your court, ladies.

I will just bring that up at the next meeting of the female continuum.

(We could solve the world's crime and war problems if men would just stop engaging in those activities.  Balls in your court, guys. )


First of all, the underlined statement is false.  Women are criminals and warmongers as well.  The only thing holding them back is having been the smaller sex over the years and less likely to have the decision-making position to start wars and beat people up to take their stuff.  So don't play high ground with me here.

Second of all, I am not blaming women for this.  What I am saying is the wives, girlfriends, sisters, aunts, and other friends of these anti-woman assholes have one hell of a lot more ability to change them than I do.  You can complain that it is unfair that the wife of a bigot has the ability to do things like 1. Not date him. 2. Not marry him. 3. Stop putting out when he declares you a second class citizen and votes as such, but you can't deny that is more than any other man can do.  On top of that, it is far less likely that every male in the person's life knows their bigotry than it is that the woman sharing a bed with them does.  If you don't know your boyfriend/husband well enough to know if he thinks you are a second class citizen then you are doing it wrong.

Of course there is no female continuum, and obviously my statement wasn't mean to blame the women who DON'T put up with that shiat.  But with 30% or so women voting for Republicans who pass these laws and what I can only assume to be another 20% choosing to put up with it.

There is a lot of stuff I can put up with in a significant other.  The belief that I am by default inferior and to be punished for the same activities they get to brag about with their friends? Ya, fark that.
 
2013-08-09 11:40:55 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sex is a sin

/Lying is perfectly acceptable



its funny how many of these so called religious types have no problem lying.  What about that commandment not to bear false witness.  But that is probably not as important as that one line in leviticus that says the gays are bad.   That one line seems to be the central tenant of amercian christianity.  good thing they ignore the ten commandments, because if they did not lie, they could not call themselves christians.
 
2013-08-09 11:42:58 AM  

Smackledorfer: Graffito: Smackledorfer: HypnozombieX:  Sex is evil wrong and you should fell ashamed for even thinking about it.
Yeah, that's pretty much been the southern strategy for as long as I can remember.

Women really need to stop putting out for people who vote to punish women for sex.

Balls are literally in your court, ladies.

I will just bring that up at the next meeting of the female continuum.

(We could solve the world's crime and war problems if men would just stop engaging in those activities.  Balls in your court, guys. )

First of all, the underlined statement is false.  Women are criminals and warmongers as well.  The only thing holding them back is having been the smaller sex over the years and less likely to have the decision-making position to start wars and beat people up to take their stuff.  So don't play high ground with me here.

Second of all, I am not blaming women for this.  What I am saying is the wives, girlfriends, sisters, aunts, and other friends of these anti-woman assholes have one hell of a lot more ability to change them than I do.  You can complain that it is unfair that the wife of a bigot has the ability to do things like 1. Not date him. 2. Not marry him. 3. Stop putting out when he declares you a second class citizen and votes as such, but you can't deny that is more than any other man can do.  On top of that, it is far less likely that every male in the person's life knows their bigotry than it is that the woman sharing a bed with them does.  If you don't know your boyfriend/husband well enough to know if he thinks you are a second class citizen then you are doing it wrong.

Of course there is no female continuum, and obviously my statement wasn't mean to blame the women who DON'T put up with that shiat.  But with 30% or so women voting for Republicans who pass these laws and what I can only assume to be another 20% choosing to put up with it.

There is a lot of stuff I can put up with in a significant other.  The belief that I am by ...


My apologies.  Of course men aren't responsible for all violence.  I was trying to make a point about lumping people together - particularly groups as large and diverse as women (or men).  I don't know what it would take to get the 40% or so of retro-women to wake up.    Unlike racial and ethnic groupings where "the other" exists outside the family, women and men live together as families.  It complicates things.

My friends and I don't vote the same, and we often cannot even agree on what is sexist.  I have male friends who are far more feminist than some of my female friends.   In a male-dominated world many people (women as well as men) wait for widespread male approval before embracing an idea.   The role of enlightened men cannot be underestimated as frustrating as it is for me to admit.
 
2013-08-09 11:49:10 AM  

Graffito: My apologies.  Of course men aren't responsible for all violence.  I was trying to make a point about lumping people together - particularly groups as large and diverse as women (or men).  I don't know what it would take to get the 40% or so of retro-women to wake up.    Unlike racial and ethnic groupings where "the other" exists outside the family, women and men live together as families.  It complicates things.

My friends and I don't vote the same, and we often cannot even agree on what is sexist.  I have male friends who are far more feminist than some of my female friends.   In a male-dominated world many people (women as well as men) wait for widespread male approval before embracing an idea.   The role of enlightened men cannot be underestimated as frustrating as it is for me to admit.


I can agree with that, and certainly does come down to matters of degree.  I think every man or women is going to hold some kinds of stereotyping thoughts about the opposite sex and have varying ability to get past it.  I guess to me I just see "voting for santorum" as multiple levels beyond "women should be doing the cleaning and men should be mowing the lawn" and those other things.  When it takes a step beyond the personal life and moves into voting and legislating the behavior of strangers, that becomes a pretty big step.
 
2013-08-09 12:33:41 PM  

fusillade762: The organizations are part of a national network of about 2,500 Christian centers

And there you have it. How the F*CK do these people get taxpayer money?


because when we talk about schools or govt institutions providing this service, everyone cries about socialism, free market, blan blah blah.  It's not socialism if the government pays someone else to do it!
 
2013-08-09 01:24:35 PM  

Yes please: Uchiha_Cycliste: fusillade762: Bennie Crabtree: This thread has more illogical claims per insult than a Politics thread. How can anyone think that there is sex with zero risk of pregnancy (risk is valid for heterosex only I suppose) or STDs (everyone is at risk)? Nobody who is aware of the existence of statistics, actuarial science, or how materials work, could think that. You don't even need to understand stats or engineering, you just have to know they exist, in order to get the point.

WTF are you talking about?

He's never heard of a vasectomy.

You think a vasectomy prevents STDs?


No, I think it's foolproof against pregnancy. Frankly, I've never worried about STD's. My lifestyle doesn't warrant the concern.  Under the assumption that you know well and trust your partner a vasectomy if safe-sex
 
2013-08-09 01:32:58 PM  

47 is the new 42: Bane of Broone: TheJoe03: Bane of Broone: [chillpops.files.wordpress.com image 632x721]

LOL, is that real?

Unfortunately not.
 http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/3dfilm.asp

And now I look like an idiot.


No worries. It happens to the best of us.
 
2013-08-09 03:11:44 PM  
If I worked at a pregnancy crisis center and my job's responsibilities revolved entirely around helping people compensate for failures of prophylactics and birth control... I'd probably feel that way too.

As someone that doesn't spend their life entirely in the company of the tenth of a percent of people that suffer protection failure... I have to acknowledge the point, but I'd add that it's in the same way that there's no such thing as walking 'safely' along a road.  There is still such a thing as "safer" and since you're going to need or want to do it at some point I'd advise walking on the sidewalk instead of down the middle of the fast lane.

Basically I think that most people understand that safe sex refers to statistical safety and not absolute protection against everything, since most people aren't wizards or superheroes and that's how most things work for them.
 
2013-08-09 05:00:59 PM  

Jim_Callahan: If I worked at a pregnancy crisis center and my job's responsibilities revolved entirely around helping people compensate for failures of prophylactics and birth control... I'd probably feel that way too.

As someone that doesn't spend their life entirely in the company of the tenth of a percent of people that suffer protection failure... I have to acknowledge the point, but I'd add that it's in the same way that there's no such thing as walking 'safely' along a road.  There is still such a thing as "safer" and since you're going to need or want to do it at some point I'd advise walking on the sidewalk instead of down the middle of the fast lane.

Basically I think that most people understand that safe sex refers to statistical safety and not absolute protection against everything, since most people aren't wizards or superheroes and that's how most things work for them.


Rtfa, or tft, and see if you can still defend what is being said.
 
2013-08-09 05:06:35 PM  
The thing that still amazes me about these agencies is a. they are receiving money from the state government so that they can continue to lie and b. based on the fact that most of these selfsame agencies state that they follow Christian doctrine in what they do, they still are going against the 10 commandments by bearing false witness (which is one of the BIG no no's of the 10).

But I guess to them it's ok to lie, since you can always ask for forgiveness after doing it. *facepalm*
 
2013-08-09 05:50:14 PM  
Fart_Machine:  MayoSlather:If you can get gonorrrhea from a tractor seat then it stands to reason that safe sex in all forms is a myth.

Is riding a tractor while naked common?


Not the real old-school ones with the unpadded, perforated sheet-metal seats.

/We actually used to have a few pieces of antique farm equipment like that.  Those old-time farmers must have been made of cast iron themselves!
 
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