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(Guardian)   "Nicole Kidman get naked in Eyes Wide Shut and nobody goes around saying it's misogynistic, because it's Kubrick"   (theguardian.com) divider line 106
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2013-08-08 03:01:06 PM
Actually it's because that whole movie is so godawful no one ever makes it that far.
 
2013-08-08 03:10:51 PM
[Ric Romero.jpg]

Sex sells, men will consume products because there are naked women associated with said product. Women are less manipulatable by such a tactic, so there are fewer naked men in advertising.
 
2013-08-08 03:18:00 PM
That could only be said by someone who has completely missed the long-running debate over Kubrick and the treatment of women within his films, from A Clockwork Orange to The Shining to Full Metal Jacket to Eyes Wide Shut. Criticism of EWS in particular has often bifurcated between those who see its nudity as nothing more than a exercise in prurience pandering to the male gaze and those who view it as a subversion of men's fantasies of control over women's sexuality. But to say nobody has called it mysogynistic is just flat out false.
 
2013-08-08 03:22:49 PM

Sybarite: That could only be said by someone who has completely missed the long-running debate over Kubrick and the treatment of women within his films, from A Clockwork Orange to The Shining to Full Metal Jacket to Eyes Wide Shut. Criticism of EWS in particular has often bifurcated between those who see its nudity as nothing more than a exercise in prurience pandering to the male gaze and those who view it as a subversion of men's fantasies of control over women's sexuality. But to say nobody has called it mysogynistic is just flat out false.


Stop it with the big words!  They make my brain sad!
 
2013-08-08 03:29:14 PM

Klippoklondike: Sybarite: That could only be said by someone who has completely missed the long-running debate over Kubrick and the treatment of women within his films, from A Clockwork Orange to The Shining to Full Metal Jacket to Eyes Wide Shut. Criticism of EWS in particular has often bifurcated between those who see its nudity as nothing more than a exercise in prurience pandering to the male gaze and those who view it as a subversion of men's fantasies of control over women's sexuality. But to say nobody has called it mysogynistic is just flat out false.

Stop it with the big words!  They make my brain sad!


I also reprehend his sesquipedalian phraseology.
 
2013-08-08 03:31:23 PM
But is it art or are record labels exploiting women and cashing in on YouTube revenues?

Yes.
 
2013-08-08 03:42:19 PM

Sybarite: those who view it as a subversion of men's fantasies of control over women's sexuality


They're called unemployed English majors and they're the only reason anybody ever saw that godawful crapsack of a movie from start to finish....
 
2013-08-08 03:43:57 PM
knuckledraggin.com

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What's all this talk about misogyny?
 
2013-08-08 03:44:10 PM
Hey article author; Keep your anger to yourself, you hate-mongering twat.
 
2013-08-08 03:44:54 PM
www.thebludgeoner.com

/feel in love with her in Dead Calm.....can't stand what she's done to herself since....damn you botox!!

//She's still hot though.

//Fap Fap Fap!
 
2013-08-08 03:47:12 PM
No, the situation is this...

More men want to see naked women and there are a decent amount of women who are willing to get naked for "art" in media.
Not as many women want to to see naked men and there aren't as many men who are willing to get naked for "art" in media.

At least that's the trend I see.

If there were more women who'd want to see naked men in media and men who'd be willing to get naked...then there'd be a market for it.
Wait a decade, maybe it will change.

/now stop protesting the naked women I want to see.
 
2013-08-08 03:47:45 PM

unlikely: Actually it's because that whole movie is so godawful no one ever makes it that far.


I love how everyone tries to find some redeeming quality in that movie because it was his last. Nope, that was a shiatty movie through and through.
 
2013-08-08 03:49:18 PM

unlikely: Actually it's because that whole movie is so godawful no one ever makes it that far.


I actually sat through that giant mess of a film.  Not even Kidmans sweet T&A could make it bearable.  Hell by the time the credits rolled I had almost forgotten about it because of the absolutely retarded storyline that followed.
 
2013-08-08 03:49:22 PM

nmrsnr: [Ric Romero.jpg]

Sex sells, men will consume products because there are naked women associated with said product. Women are less manipulatable by such a tactic, so there are fewer naked men in advertising.


Women are far more vulnerable to that tactic, just in a reverse way.  Rather than want, the advertiser preys on and magnifies innate insecurities about physical attractiveness. This is why the cosmetics industry rakes in as much as the weapons industry.
 
2013-08-08 03:50:34 PM

Spanky McStupid: [knuckledraggin.com image 499x825]

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What's all this talk about misogyny?


I approve of your post and wager your Fark name is well chosen.

/not the McStupid, the other part
 
2013-08-08 03:52:03 PM
tl:dr

Got a few paragraphs in and bailed. Was there a point?

/still loves me some naked Nicole Kidman!
//Billy Bathgate for the win!
 
2013-08-08 03:52:42 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: unlikely: Actually it's because that whole movie is so godawful no one ever makes it that far.

I love how everyone tries to find some redeeming quality in that movie because it was his last. Nope, that was a shiatty movie through and through.


I like the film because it looks like it was filmed through a sheet of plastic wrap smeared with Vaseline. And that is how I prefer to view the world.
 
2013-08-08 03:53:10 PM

Flappyhead: unlikely: Actually it's because that whole movie is so godawful no one ever makes it that far.

I actually sat through that giant mess of a film.  Not even Kidmans sweet T&A could make it bearable.  Hell by the time the credits rolled I had almost forgotten about it because of the absolutely retarded storyline that followed.


I saw it in the theater too; when my friend asked me the next day what I thought, I said, "I think I know why he died in the middle of making it"
 
2013-08-08 03:56:29 PM
I remember when the movie came out and the big press junkets nicole and cruise where doing for it. I recall Cruise statements had a creppy vibe to them.

he is an example Cruise on Kubrick
 
2013-08-08 03:56:55 PM
I liked Eyes Wide Shut.

But I also think Tombstone, aside from Kilmer who absolutely killed it, is dreck compared to Costner's Wyatt Earp.

Kurt Russel overacts through that whole farking movie, basically ruining it.
 
2013-08-08 03:57:26 PM
I finally saw the "explicit" Blurred Lines video this morning.  In no way could that be considered art, but I felt it my duty to watch it in its entirety in order to make an informed decision.
 
2013-08-08 03:59:46 PM

Cymbal: compared to Costner's Wyatt Earp.


There's a really fundamental problem with that film.
 
2013-08-08 03:59:49 PM

BunkoSquad: I saw it in the theater too; when my friend asked me the next day what I thought, I said, "I think I know why he died in the middle of making it"

 
I tried one night to watch the uncut version thinking that perhaps it was his death and the studios mingling in the post edit that farked this film. That something was left on the floor.


Nope, if anything it was even shiattier.
 
2013-08-08 04:00:52 PM

Flappyhead: unlikely: Actually it's because that whole movie is so godawful no one ever makes it that far.

I actually sat through that giant mess of a film.  Not even Kidmans sweet t&A could make it bearable.  Hell by the time the credits rolled I had almost forgotten about it because of the absolutely retarded storyline that followed.


FTFM
 
2013-08-08 04:03:24 PM
I actually think Eyes Wide Shut is a good movie...not because I liked it, but because watching that movie makes me SOOO angry.  something about it just makes me furious, and any movie that can create emotions that strong has to be good on some level...
 
2013-08-08 04:04:42 PM

Tricky Chicken: IdBeCrazyIf: unlikely: Actually it's because that whole movie is so godawful no one ever makes it that far.

I love how everyone tries to find some redeeming quality in that movie because it was his last. Nope, that was a shiatty movie through and through.

I like the film because it looks like it was filmed through a sheet of plastic wrap smeared with Vaseline. And that is how I prefer to view the world.


I thought it was a very good looking terrible movie. Particularly the sequence when Cruise was walking about the city (between the fight with Kidman and the costume shop, if I'm remembering correctly). The lighting and mood was fantastic. The plot stank on ice.

/See also: Avatar
 
2013-08-08 04:05:09 PM

nmrsnr: [Ric Romero.jpg]

Sex sells, men will consume products because there are naked women associated with said product. Women are less manipulatable by such a tactic, so there are fewer naked men in advertising.


Not true.  What IS true is that women would rather see women naked.

Female nudity:  Works for everybody.
Male nudity: No one wants

Even gay men like going to strip clubs and watching women dance naked.
 
2013-08-08 04:05:54 PM

solcofn: [www.thebludgeoner.com image 628x365]

/feel in love with her in Dead Calm.....can't stand what she's done to herself since....damn you botox!!

//She's still hot though.

//Fap Fap Fap!


She was still pretty hot in The Peacemaker
Didn't see Eyes Shut
She wasn't hot in The Invasion though

Now when I see a pic of her I think of a blob of botox and the smell of scorched plastic
 
2013-08-08 04:07:52 PM

Tarl3k: I actually think Eyes Wide Shut is a good movie...not because I liked it, but because watching that movie makes me SOOO angry.  something about it just makes me furious, and any movie that can create emotions that strong has to be good on some level...


By that standard, I should have liked Black Swan.
 
2013-08-08 04:12:32 PM
People say: 'Hey, do you think this is degrading to women?' I'm like: 'Of course it is. What a pleasure it is to degrade a woman. I've never gotten to do that before. I've always respected women.

eeeennnntttt. Sorry, wrong answer. The correct answer would be "Cool question babe. Now go make me a sandwich".
 
2013-08-08 04:15:46 PM

ZMugg: Flappyhead: unlikely: Actually it's because that whole movie is so godawful no one ever makes it that far.

I actually sat through that giant mess of a film.  Not even Kidmans sweet t&A could make it bearable.  Hell by the time the credits rolled I had almost forgotten about it because of the absolutely retarded storyline that followed.

FTFM


+1 even if I do like a nice set of small perky boobs.
 
2013-08-08 04:17:35 PM
Women like showing off their bodies for attention.  It is an integral part of feminine sexuality.  Just look at facebook.

Feministards call it "the male gaze", I call it "the female pose".  Women like to dress up and show off even if there are no men around.

The female pose represents fake passivity, a passive-aggressive expression of sexuality.  When you call them out on their lie they must deflect attention with sanctimonious moralizing and blaming of the other and nonsensical accusations of hatred.
 
2013-08-08 04:18:18 PM
Why is gratuitous female nudity misogynistic again? I didn't ask for it.  Most of the time, what's being presented is that I'm supposed to want an anorexic fake blonde with terrible bolt ons.  That's just as insulting to men as it is to women and I'd be outraged and change the channel if I weren't so busy taking my pants off.
 
2013-08-08 04:19:41 PM

Cymbal: But I also think Tombstone, aside from Kilmer who absolutely killed it, is dreck compared to Costner's Wyatt Earp.

Kurt Russel overacts through that whole farking movie, basically ruining it.


you are so, so wrong.  Kurt did no overacting.  Hell, as a Russel fan, I would say he basically played the same character he usually plays (except for Snake.  Snake was different.  Gruff and strained.)  Now, I like both movies, Tombstone and Wyatt Earp - but I only re-watch ONE of those films.  That film is Tombstone - because Tombstone is FUN to watch.  It is an action film, thru and thru, while Wyatt Earp is a document (and wayyyyyy too farking long).

I mean... to each his own and all...  but you are just wrong about Russel overacting in that movie.  He made Wyatt Earp a believable, likeable but flawed man.

Costner was just Costner in western gear.  Because Costner is ALWAYS just Costner.  Costner NEVER acts.  He is just Costner, showing up and reciting lines.  Doesn't mean he is bad - hell, Jack Nicholson is always just Jack (and why I never got why people claim his Joker was so good - it was just Jack in face paint).
 
2013-08-08 04:25:40 PM

nmrsnr: [Ric Romero.jpg]

Sex sells, men will consume products because there are naked women associated with said product. Women are less manipulatable by such a tactic, so there are fewer naked men in advertising.


Naked or clothed men are ugly and nobody wants to see that. The sex sells angle is just a different approach with womyns.

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2013-08-08 04:31:57 PM

frepnog: Cymbal: But I also think Tombstone, aside from Kilmer who absolutely killed it, is dreck compared to Costner's Wyatt Earp.

Kurt Russel overacts through that whole farking movie, basically ruining it.

you are so, so wrong.  Kurt did no overacting.  Hell, as a Russel fan, I would say he basically played the same character he usually plays (except for Snake.  Snake was different.  Gruff and strained.)  Now, I like both movies, Tombstone and Wyatt Earp - but I only re-watch ONE of those films.  That film is Tombstone - because Tombstone is FUN to watch.  It is an action film, thru and thru, while Wyatt Earp is a document (and wayyyyyy too farking long).

I mean... to each his own and all...  but you are just wrong about Russel overacting in that movie.  He made Wyatt Earp a believable, likeable but flawed man.

Costner was just Costner in western gear.  Because Costner is ALWAYS just Costner.  Costner NEVER acts.  He is just Costner, showing up and reciting lines.  Doesn't mean he is bad - hell, Jack Nicholson is always just Jack (and why I never got why people claim his Joker was so good - it was just Jack in face paint).


Point taken.

But here's the thing. It may not have been overacting for Russel. But compared to every other actor in the film, he was overreacting. He overreacts a lot, it's part of who he is and what made him a star, so essentially he played Earp like he played pretty much everything else. It was just too much in this case.
 
2013-08-08 04:35:23 PM

Telos: Female nudity:  Works for everybody.
Male nudity: No one wants


images.wikia.com
 
2013-08-08 04:38:08 PM
Hang on, let me do some math. 1983-1999=16
*checking Indiana penal code

I take that back, there was one redeemable moment in that movie

www.hotflick.net

/I would have been 18 you animals, perfectly legal
 
2013-08-08 04:39:17 PM

frepnog: Costner was just Costner in western gear. Because Costner is ALWAYS just Costner. Costner NEVER acts. He is just Costner, showing up and reciting lines. Doesn't mean he is bad - hell, Jack Nicholson is always just Jack (and why I never got why people claim his Joker was so good - it was just Jack in face paint).


Costner is good when he isn't in a single star role. He was excellent with Duvall in Open Range.
 
2013-08-08 04:47:04 PM
Naked women are in pop videos because no one would watch them otherwise.
 
2013-08-08 04:48:41 PM
Count me in for liking EWS.

Sure it has its issues, but overall, I like the creepy vibe, Leelee Sobieski and a naked NK.
 
2013-08-08 04:50:46 PM

Cymbal: I liked Eyes Wide Shut.

But I also think Tombstone, aside from Kilmer who absolutely killed it, is dreck compared to Costner's Wyatt Earp.

Kurt Russel overacts through that whole farking movie, basically ruining it.


vidya.dyndns.org
 
2013-08-08 04:50:50 PM
I liked that Eyes Wide Shut made an effort to tackle the question of male sexual insecurity.  It's even interesting that Tom Cruise, who is one of the men with the least cause on the planet to be insecure, is cast as the subject (if it can happen to him, it can happen to anyone).  Setting it against the backdrop of high society orgies and then having the resolution be "you aren't supposed to know about that, now go home" just distracts from the underlying point.
 
2013-08-08 04:58:21 PM

Stile4aly: backdrop of high society orgies


My problem with the movie is he somehow made orgies <i>boring</i>.
 
2013-08-08 04:59:09 PM
Dear J-school retards who don't know anything about human nature:

1. Sexualizing women  sells to both maleand female audiences.  This is why pop culture specifically catering to women (ie. fashion and women's magazines) is full of attractive female models.
2. You don't see a lot of nekkid men in pop art for the same reason women hate getting texted unsolicited pics of wangs.  That shiat's disgusting.
 
2013-08-08 05:01:13 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Telos: Female nudity:  Works for everybody.
Male nudity: No one wants

[images.wikia.com image 500x375]


What's that from?

CarnySaur: I finally saw the "explicit" Blurred Lines video this morning.  In no way could that be considered art, but I felt it my duty to watch it in its entirety in order to make an informed decision.


To be fair, it's not really trying to be art.  It's a catchy pop hit, and they were smart enough to craft a video for it that they knew would get the song a ton of publicity.  The song would have likely been successful without it, but likely not nearly as much as it has been.

I don't see anything degrading about it either - it's naked dancing ladies having fun while the guys sing.  We need to get over our issues with nudity and sex.
 
2013-08-08 05:04:23 PM
Nobody has raised the "artistic merit" point? (Even unsuccessful art is distinct from pornography.)
 
2013-08-08 05:04:27 PM

Stile4aly: I liked that Eyes Wide Shut made an effort to tackle the question of male sexual insecurity.  It's even interesting that Tom Cruise, who is one of the men with the least cause on the planet to be insecure, is cast as the subject (if it can happen to him, it can happen to anyone).  Setting it against the backdrop of high society orgies and then having the resolution be "you aren't supposed to know about that, now go home" just distracts from the underlying point.


It wasn't a bad movie, I'll give it that.  Nothing I think worth revisiting.  But I didn't feel like I was put off watching it.

On the other hand, my mother walked in on me while I was watching it.  During the orgy scene.  I wasn't schlicking or anything.  It's just I have to answer awkward questions about scenes like those.

In this case, the question was, "Is this a 'devil' movie?  Because I don't like 'devil' movies."

/CSS, I know
//My parents didn't hide adult movies from me, they aren't "think of the children!" types
 
2013-08-08 05:09:28 PM
It strikes me that all the things that people say about Kubrick movies that are unfair and false when you say them about those movies -- it's way too slow, it's emotionless, the actors are robotic, the perfectionism drains the life out of it and makes it clinical -- are true about Eyes Wide Shut.

I mean, Kubrick really seems to have no conception of how real humans are in it.  I just rejected the notion that a guy who lives in New York in the late '90s would be thrown into this downward spiral because he found out his wife once thought about farking another man, but didn't.
 
2013-08-08 05:09:33 PM

Flappyhead: unlikely: Actually it's because that whole movie is so godawful no one ever makes it that far.

I actually sat through that giant mess of a film.  Not even Kidmans sweet T&A could make it bearable.  Hell by the time the credits rolled I had almost forgotten about it because of the absolutely retarded storyline that followed.


The film is brilliant like the rest of Kubrick's catalog. It's likely you have zero ability to appreciate a film that doesn't fall into your intransigent perspective of what a film should be. Essentially I'm saying you're an idiot that would rather sit through the pablum contemporary hollywood passes off as entertainment than something as nuanced as a Kubrick film.
 
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