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(Quartz)   And the diplomatic fail train sets off with China high fiving Russia over Snowden   (qz.com ) divider line
    More: Obvious, Russia, United States, Rail transport modelling, Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, International Herald Tribune, Xi Jinping  
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2013-08-08 12:05:45 PM  
In fairness, most Americans are high fiving Russia for the same thing.
 
2013-08-08 12:09:42 PM  
Yea, I don't get the high profile of this. If he comes back, he'll be arrested, so he's basically banished from the country. That should be sufficient punishment (and deterrent).
 
2013-08-08 12:10:05 PM  

JonnyG: In fairness, most Americans are high fiving Russia for the same thing.


How could he have won?  Lady Liberty is crying.

msnbcmedia.msn.com
 
2013-08-08 12:13:51 PM  
Fark PatriotsTM rushing in to tell off politicians who will never see their comments in 3... 2... 1...

/ America sort of deserved it.
 
2013-08-08 12:16:31 PM  
Of course, the next time Putin want's something from Washington, he'll flip Snowden back to them.
 
2013-08-08 12:18:13 PM  
Yes, high five him for something leaking old news that was leaked back in 2006 and has been more or less public knowledge for 6 years. It's just NOW all of a sudden everyone is paying the fark attention. Where we're the rest you morons back then?

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2013-08-08 12:19:12 PM  
Hey is this that Smart Diplomacy™ we were promised?
 
2013-08-08 12:21:47 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Of course, the next time Putin want's something from Washington, he'll flip Snowden back to them.


He has already made Barry his prison biatch, he's going to save Snowden for a better time and a stronger leader
 
2013-08-08 12:25:37 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Yes, high five him for something leaking old news that was leaked back in 2006 and has been more or less public knowledge for 6 years. It's just NOW all of a sudden everyone is paying the fark attention. Where we're the rest you morons back then?


Ask the U.S. government, they seem to think it's a huge deal. I'm with you, it's not, and the more they pursue Snowden, the more we seem to be ruining international relationships. I say let him go already, he's already done what he was going to do, he's not worth landing planes with presidents on them and getting into any more international scuffles over.
 
2013-08-08 12:26:25 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Yes, high five him for something leaking old news that was leaked back in 2006 and has been more or less public knowledge for 6 years. It's just NOW all of a sudden everyone is paying the fark attention. Where we're the rest you morons back then?

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Thanks for pointing this out.

People don't know that you only have one chance to be upset at something. If you didn't stop something that seems like an injustice the first time, you shouldn't try to rile up the public and go at it again. It's well known that successful movements happen the first time they try.
 
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2013-08-08 12:30:58 PM  

jshine: Yea, I don't get the high profile of this. If he comes back, he'll be arrested, so he's basically banished from the country. That should be sufficient punishment (and deterrent).


I think it's more about letting Russia know that there will be consequences if they fark with us.  Snowden himself isn't that big a deal.
 
2013-08-08 12:32:38 PM  

justoneznot: I say let him go already, he's already done what he was going to do, he's not worth landing planes with presidents on them and getting into any more international scuffles over.


Exactly

super_grass: People don't know that you only have one chance to be upset at something. If you didn't stop something that seems like an injustice the first time, you shouldn't try to rile up the public and go at it again. It's well known that successful movements happen the first time they try.


Well your congressional critters are on vacation and home right now. Go to their office and ask what they are going to do about it. Mine is on the committee for Armed Services and I asked him if they are going to push the DoD to speed up taking over the drone program.

Civics, how does that work?!
 
2013-08-08 12:32:46 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Yes, high five him for something leaking old news that was leaked back in 2006 and has been more or less public knowledge for 6 years. It's just NOW all of a sudden everyone is paying the fark attention. Where we're the rest you morons back then?


Yes, nothing new at all. Everybody knew about xkeyscore in 2006. We also new about them getting access to outlook.com prior to email encryption that just started under a year ago.

Nothing new indeed.
 
2013-08-08 12:35:23 PM  
They hate you for your freedoms. Wait, what?
 
2013-08-08 12:37:21 PM  
Well the US refuses to hand over all sorts of assholes that the rest of the world wants to put on trial so what goes around comes around

The Admin is just pissed that they couldn't brow beat someone in to submission.
 
2013-08-08 12:39:59 PM  

JonnyG: In fairness, most Americans are high fiving Russia for the same thing.


I wouldn't say most Americans, but this is a glimpse of things to come - The rise of China, Russia, and South America on the world stage.  They will develop even closer ties and currency deals not based on the dollar.   For obvious reasons, that would be devastating for us.  Our whole strategy for dealing with our enormous debt is tied to the U.S. dollar being the world's reserve currency which allows us to maintain low yields on our debt sales. As demand for U.S. debt wanes, yields will rise and eventually it will become unsustainable.  Will it destroy the U.S.?  No, but it will be the event that marks the end of the west being the major driver of world policy as Europe has already fallen by the wayside.  It will be a historic event as Western civilization has been dominant for over 1000 years.
 
2013-08-08 12:43:59 PM  

vpb: jshine: Yea, I don't get the high profile of this. If he comes back, he'll be arrested, so he's basically banished from the country. That should be sufficient punishment (and deterrent).

I think it's more about letting Russia know that there will be consequences if they fark with us.  Snowden himself isn't that big a deal.


"Consequences"?  This is the diplomatic equivalent of a temper-tantrum.  I doubt it phases Putin in the slightest -- in fact, if I had to take a guess about his personality, I'd think he's probably enjoying it.
 
2013-08-08 12:51:24 PM  

vpb: jshine: I think it's more about letting Russia know that there will be consequences if they fark with us.  Snowden himself isn't that big a deal.


There was a segment on NPR about that yesterday. Russia doesn't give a crap about "engaging" with the US, and any attempts to force Russia into an action will basically get you the opposite response. Putin really doesn't want Snowden for a variety of reasons but the US set the precedent on providing asylum and to hand him over would be seen as giving in to the US. US foreign policy focuses on 3d world nations so often that we forget that countries like Russia are perfectly capable of telling the US to go fark themselves.
 
2013-08-08 01:32:53 PM  

vpb: I think it's more about letting Russia know that there will be consequences if they fark with us.


Such as?
 
2013-08-08 02:01:50 PM  

costermonger: vpb: I think it's more about letting Russia know that there will be consequences if they fark with us.

Such as?


We'll send them a strongly worded letter.....
 
2013-08-08 02:49:52 PM  
Prisoner Swap is the answer

Michelle for Snowdon. Sweeten the deal with Valerie Jarrett, Van WhateverHis Name Is and Reverend Jeremiah. We pay for airfare ...
 
2013-08-08 02:55:17 PM  
Clicking on a Quartz link submitted earlier in the day.

"Hmmm, looks like an interesting article...*click*"

"Huh, this isn't the article...Oh, right, it's Quartz. I have start scrolling down."

*scroll, scroll, scroll*

"Dammit, where's the article?"

*scroll, scroll, scroll*

"Fark this shiat."

*close tab*
 
2013-08-08 03:23:08 PM  

Onkel Buck: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Of course, the next time Putin want's something from Washington, he'll flip Snowden back to them.

He has already made Barry his prison biatch, he's going to save Snowden for a better time and a stronger leader


The only person who's a prison biatch is Snowden, to be honest the administration is probably just fine with Snowden being stuck in Russia. By running he's become a much bigger story than the issues he uncovered. If he stayed, the U.S. government would have had to seriously deal with the current security over-reach. Since he took off, all the government has to do is pretend to gnash it's teeth and any inconvenient stories will bury themselves. What's hilarious is how you guys are totally buying it.

/If anything the U.S. government probably told the Russians that they could keep him so long as they muzzle him. Putin gets a political victory and the American's get rid of a problem. Win-Win
 
2013-08-08 07:46:15 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Yes, high five him for something leaking old news that was leaked back in 2006 and has been more or less public knowledge for 6 years. It's just NOW all of a sudden everyone is paying the fark attention. Where we're the rest you morons back then?

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dude. Most of the stuff Snowden "revealed" was in effect much longer than 6 years ago. Try at least the 90s.

-I'm sure it's been around longer than that in one form or another, but that's when I first got knowledge of it and I figured it was so obvious then that anyone with actual computer knowledge figured that out around the age of 16 or so.

Seriously, why do people think China wants it's own version of Linux? Why did Russia for so many years keep its own versions of Unix? Why are certain software technologies *restricted* from being sold to certain countries? Our government has been funding big contracts with IBM, Cisco, Microsoft, Sun Microsystems, Oracle, etc. for years. -To not realize that those companies have a vested interest in keeping the NSA (and many other government and military entities) funding coming in would be foolish.

To think that we *haven't* been paying for "features" to be put in certain products would be naive. Seriously, think about it... A large company provides some giant software company with millions a year for some software. The same company asks for a simple feature that no one but them will use... maybe they even give them the code to add... do you think the software company will say no? Now think about the same thing with more money behind it, and a bunch of powerful politicians, government agents, and lawyers. Maybe they even have a pic of the CEO banging a donkey at his frat party.

-It's so obvious, I'd be *sad* if we *weren't* doing this already to spy and control other countries.

However, Snowden confuses me. There really shouldn't be any attention on this guy at all. Something else is going on here.
 
2013-08-08 11:40:25 PM  
Exposing a crime "should not be"a crime.
 
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