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(The Week)   Besides the fact that it makes about as much logical sense as "communistic fascism", the philosophy of "libertarian populism", is not going to save the GOP from its current electoral dysfunction   (theweek.com ) divider line 45
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2013-08-08 11:24:59 AM  
There is nothing at all "libertarian" about the GOP.
 
2013-08-08 11:35:29 AM  
Libertarian populism is a perfectly cromulent political philosophy and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
 
2013-08-08 11:48:33 AM  
I believe the word they're looking for is, in fact, fascism.
 
2013-08-08 12:17:22 PM  
More: Obvious, GOP, sexual dysfunction,

Heh.
 
2013-08-08 12:23:26 PM  
LIBERTARIAN POPULISM
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2013-08-08 12:45:10 PM  
But while Republicans can and should reach out to the disaffected by using inclusive, optimistic, and uplifting rhetoric, they must also avoid the sort of populist victimhood rhetoric about how the game is "rigged" to favor the wealthy, etc.

Because dealing with reality is always a losing strategy.
 
2013-08-08 01:12:29 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I believe the word they're looking for is, in fact, fascism.

 
2013-08-08 01:14:45 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I believe the word they're looking for is, in fact, fascism.


I would have gone w/ Corpratism
 
2013-08-08 01:16:59 PM  
Yes, Matt Lewis, a return to the Bush strategy is precisely what the GOP needs.  You should mention him as often as possible when you talk about this idea.
 
2013-08-08 01:17:51 PM  
Free market economics, liberal social policy, and a guaranteed minimum income.

Elect me already, geez.
 
2013-08-08 01:20:05 PM  

ShadowKamui: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I believe the word they're looking for is, in fact, fascism.

I would have gone w/ Corpratism


Essentially the same thing, but varying amounts of marching.
 
2013-08-08 01:24:06 PM  
FTA: "The problem with much of what passes for populist rhetoric isn't just that it stokes division, envy, and anger (though it does that), but that it becomes habitual. And it could have the effect of actually making the GOP less cosmopolitan - less likely to win the votes of college graduates, urbanites, Hispanics, Asians, etc. (As the Economist notes, "Right-wing populism in America has always amounted to white identity politics.") In the long run, this is mathematical suicide."

I'm confused. Why would populist rhetoric correctly blaming the wealthy for our current economic climate make people like urbanites, college grads, and hispanics less likely to support Republicans? Seems to me that college grads who can't find a job because of the shiatty economy that Wall St. left us after '08 might find a populist message more appealing.
 
2013-08-08 01:30:23 PM  
Libertarian populism is decidedly against bigness.

The GOP must shed some of its "do-gooder paternalism" tendencies and some Reagan-era reforms, which were good during their time, and replace them with reforms that address today's problems.

A skepticism (or outright rejection) of Bush-era foreign policy adventurism (which is consistent with the general distrust of bigness).


[laughs hysterically]

Carney's solutions, such as breaking up the big banks, creating a cleaner tax code, and ending corporate welfare, are legitimate policy proposals. But here's the problem: There is already a name for these ideas. It's called "free market conservatism."

Oh WOW, seriously? Are you sh*tting us??

[my gosh I'm just dyin here]
 
2013-08-08 01:32:56 PM  

un4gvn666: FTA: "The problem with much of what passes for populist rhetoric isn't just that it stokes division, envy, and anger (though it does that), but that it becomes habitual. And it could have the effect of actually making the GOP less cosmopolitan - less likely to win the votes of college graduates, urbanites, Hispanics, Asians, etc. (As the Economist notes, "Right-wing populism in America has always amounted to white identity politics.") In the long run, this is mathematical suicide."

I'm confused. Why would populist rhetoric correctly blaming the wealthy for our current economic climate make people like urbanites, college grads, and hispanics less likely to support Republicans? Seems to me that college grads who can't find a job because of the shiatty economy that Wall St. left us after '08 might find a populist message more appealing.


Because the GOP hasn't got a populist message.  As the article says, 'right-wing populism' means the same thing as 'white supremacy,' which is what they're pushing.  They're not blaming the wealthy for our current problems, they're hailing them as our saviours fromthose economic problems, and that's been going over like a lead balloon among young people who cant find a job because of it.
 
2013-08-08 01:41:32 PM  
Isn't populism a euphemism for stupid?
 
2013-08-08 01:41:41 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: un4gvn666: FTA: "The problem with much of what passes for populist rhetoric isn't just that it stokes division, envy, and anger (though it does that), but that it becomes habitual. And it could have the effect of actually making the GOP less cosmopolitan - less likely to win the votes of college graduates, urbanites, Hispanics, Asians, etc. (As the Economist notes, "Right-wing populism in America has always amounted to white identity politics.") In the long run, this is mathematical suicide."

I'm confused. Why would populist rhetoric correctly blaming the wealthy for our current economic climate make people like urbanites, college grads, and hispanics less likely to support Republicans? Seems to me that college grads who can't find a job because of the shiatty economy that Wall St. left us after '08 might find a populist message more appealing.

Because the GOP hasn't got a populist message.  As the article says, 'right-wing populism' means the same thing as 'white supremacy,' which is what they're pushing.  They're not blaming the wealthy for our current problems, they're hailing them as our saviours fromthose economic problems, and that's been going over like a lead balloon among young people who cant find a job because of it.


Ahhh, got it. Thanks for clarifying that. (me not reed so gud)
 
2013-08-08 02:05:01 PM  

MattStafford: Free market economics, liberal social policy, and a guaranteed minimum income.

Elect me already, geez.


I wish there were more data available on the effectiveness of guaranteed minimum income.  My passive observation of countries with versus countries without shows a definite positive value, but actual social experiments with controls have had their results suppressed.
 
2013-08-08 02:08:42 PM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: un4gvn666: FTA: "The problem with much of what passes for populist rhetoric isn't just that it stokes division, envy, and anger (though it does that), but that it becomes habitual. And it could have the effect of actually making the GOP less cosmopolitan - less likely to win the votes of college graduates, urbanites, Hispanics, Asians, etc. (As the Economist notes, "Right-wing populism in America has always amounted to white identity politics.") In the long run, this is mathematical suicide."

I'm confused. Why would populist rhetoric correctly blaming the wealthy for our current economic climate make people like urbanites, college grads, and hispanics less likely to support Republicans? Seems to me that college grads who can't find a job because of the shiatty economy that Wall St. left us after '08 might find a populist message more appealing.

Because the GOP hasn't got a populist message.  As the article says, 'right-wing populism' means the same thing as 'white supremacy,' which is what they're pushing.  They're not blaming the wealthy for our current problems, they're hailing them as our saviours fromthose economic problems, and that's been going over like a lead balloon among young people who cant find a job because of it.


See, this is why I identified with the Tea Party in the very beginning of its movement- that is to say, before it succumbed to the GOP's transvaginal advances.
There WERE legitimate ideas of a non-invasive government that would protect the people from moralism as well as crony capitalism. Then the Hannity Express pulled into town and Bachmann, Palin, Beck, and Allen West tumbled out of the clown car with their trollops in tow.

Meh. BSAB... etc.
 
2013-08-08 02:09:05 PM  

monoski: Isn't populism a euphemism for stupid?


At least the Know-Nothing Party had the stones to properly self-identify.

www.encyclopediaofalabama.org

And it's shocking how similar they are to today's TP:

http://themassesareangry.blogspot.com/2011/06/know-nothings-and-tea- pa rty.html

At least they haven't killed anyone.  Yet.
 
2013-08-08 02:10:13 PM  
<Adjective> Populism doesn't make sense? Shocking!
 
2013-08-08 02:27:15 PM  
...which side can be the most tolerant - the most sybaritic -  blah blah blah ...


Maybe he thinks they're the same thing. Maybe he's trying to deprecate the idea of tolerance.

Either way, he's an idiot.
 
2013-08-08 02:37:52 PM  

MattStafford: Free market economics, liberal social policy, and a guaranteed minimum income.

Elect me already, geez.


Add "a maximum income limit above which taxes are 100%" to the list and you've got my vote.

Unchecked accumulation of personal wealth, and thereby power and influence, must be stopped.
 
2013-08-08 02:42:53 PM  
The last election was a total joke. Look how much money got wasted polishing a turd, and then even more wasted when the Democrats countered their ads and other media-driven resources. For a sitting President.

The Republicans have got the means because they are an entrenched institution, but ideologically they are rapidly becoming a danger to this country and society.
 
2013-08-08 02:45:42 PM  
I wish the GOP would stop pretending they know anything at all about libertarians...they're almost as anti-libertarian as you can get..  They give real libertarians a bad name.
 
2013-08-08 02:47:38 PM  

slayer199: They give real libertarians a bad name.


The implication being they have a "good name" to begin with.

Yeah I so went there.
 
2013-08-08 02:51:59 PM  

ShadowKamui: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I believe the word they're looking for is, in fact, fascism.

I would have gone w/ Corpratism


Or to use two redundant words, Corporatocracy Fascism.
 
2013-08-08 03:26:03 PM  

Sybarite: But while Republicans can and should reach out to the disaffected by using inclusive, optimistic, and uplifting rhetoric, they must also avoid the sort of populist victimhood rhetoric about how the game is "rigged" to favor the wealthy, etc.

Because dealing with reality is always a losing strategy.


Oh I get it, now that the GOP has let the patients run the asylum, they need to get it back under control or they will be the ones locked up in the cells or put to the wall.
 
2013-08-08 03:47:56 PM  

MattStafford: Free market economics, liberal social policy, and a guaranteed minimum income.

Elect me already, geez.


"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. Mencken

This is exactly the type of thing he was talking about. Your "solutions" are so trite and meaningless in the context of national governance as to be worthless.
 
2013-08-08 03:51:20 PM  

MacEnvy: "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. Mencken

This is exactly the type of thing he was talking about. Your "solutions" are so trite and meaningless in the context of national governance as to be worthless.


I guess our monstrously complex, extremely convoluted, and so correct they might as well have been brought down from Mt. Sinai policies are fine.
 
2013-08-08 03:51:30 PM  
More like, "oligarchical collectivism".
 
2013-08-08 04:06:54 PM  

MattStafford: MacEnvy: "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. Mencken

This is exactly the type of thing he was talking about. Your "solutions" are so trite and meaningless in the context of national governance as to be worthless.

I guess our monstrously complex, extremely convoluted, and so correct they might as well have been brought down from Mt. Sinai policies are fine.


Complex problems require complex solutions, and smart people to find and execute them. Simple people don't understand complex problems and shouldn't be involved in the process. If you can't comprehend a complex problem, don't pretend you have a simple solution for it, because you look like an idiot to anyone who knows better.
 
2013-08-08 04:12:53 PM  

MacEnvy: Complex problems require complex solutions, and smart people to find and execute them. Simple people don't understand complex problems and shouldn't be involved in the process. If you can't comprehend a complex problem, don't pretend you have a simple solution for it, because you look like an idiot to anyone who knows better.


It makes way more sense to have thousands and thousands of pages on tax credits and welfare options, etc - because hey - poverty is a complex problem, so it deserves a complex solution.
 
2013-08-08 04:14:53 PM  
Plutocratic theocracy? Can that be a thing?
 
2013-08-08 04:26:02 PM  

MattStafford: MacEnvy: Complex problems require complex solutions, and smart people to find and execute them. Simple people don't understand complex problems and shouldn't be involved in the process. If you can't comprehend a complex problem, don't pretend you have a simple solution for it, because you look like an idiot to anyone who knows better.

It makes way more sense to have thousands and thousands of pages on tax credits and welfare options, etc - because hey - poverty is a complex problem, so it deserves a complex solution.


This is the first thing you've said that resembles making sense. And you think it's sarcastic, ha.
 
2013-08-08 04:30:59 PM  

Holfax: Plutocratic theocracy? Can that be a thing?


Why not?  Plutocrats worship money.
 
2013-08-08 04:40:30 PM  

slayer199: I wish the GOP would stop pretending they know anything at all about libertarians...they're almost as anti-libertarian as you can get..  They give real libertarians a bad name.


They're flailing about in their death throes, trying to latch onto anything that will lend them an air of "hipness". But libertarianism right now has more of an air of danger than being cool, and our nation's political tenor runs completely counter to the Great Enlightenment values of reason and self determination, aside from some very limited areas.

Or maybe to put it another way...

Democrats = Apple
Republicans = Microsoft
Libertarians = Linux
 
2013-08-08 05:39:51 PM  
MacEnvy:  MattStafford:MacEnvy: "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. Mencken

This is exactly the type of thing he was talking about. Your "solutions" are so trite and meaningless in the context of national governance as to be worthless.

I guess our monstrously complex, extremely convoluted, and so correct they might as well have been brought down from Mt. Sinai policies are fine.

Complex problems require complex solutions, and smart people to find and execute them. Simple people don't understand complex problems and shouldn't be involved in the process. If you can't comprehend a complex problem, don't pretend you have a simple solution for it, because you look like an idiot to anyone who knows better.


It also helps, when you're trying to put to put together a complex solution to a complex problem, if you actually have people of good will working in earnest to find an actual solution, instead of backstabbing shills trying to a find a way to game the system to rack up brownie points for their masters.
 
2013-08-08 05:42:54 PM  
Lawyers With Nukes:
Democrats = Apple
Republicans = Microsoft
Libertarians = Linux


You take that back, you wall-eyed muck-sucker.

/old 'Garfield' reference.
 
2013-08-08 06:40:56 PM  
Lawyers With Nukes:
Democrats = Apple
Republicans = Microsoft

Libertarians = Linux


*growl*
 
2013-08-08 07:02:23 PM  
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat
Essentially the same thing, but varying amounts of marching.

Accurate in a backhanded way. "Corporatism" originally meant a system in which industry and labor was integrated into one giant society-wide corporation to organize the economy (the "corp" root meaning "body", such as in "corpse", referring to the 'body' of society). Fascism combined that with chauvinism (nationalism), which, yeah, means a lot of marching.
What we're facing today has no clear historically-defined ideology. We could call it "corporate feudalism", with corporations replacing the nobility; but we could more easily call it just "capitalism": An economic system which has as its only goal the strengthening of capital.
 
2013-08-08 09:31:56 PM  

MacEnvy: MattStafford: Free market economics, liberal social policy, and a guaranteed minimum income.

Elect me already, geez.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. Mencken

This is exactly the type of thing he was talking about. Your "solutions" are so trite and meaningless in the context of national governance as to be worthless.


As someone invested in the coconuts and homeless ditchdigger industries, you take that back. The man is a paragon of enlightenment.
 
2013-08-08 11:29:04 PM  
"communist fascism"

Wasn't Stalin a communist fascist? Castro?
 
2013-08-08 11:31:15 PM  
WE ARE JOHN GALT
 
2013-08-09 12:49:09 AM  

Lawyers With Nukes: They're flailing about in their death throes, trying to latch onto anything that will lend them an air of "hipness". But libertarianism right now has more of an air of danger than being cool, and our nation's political tenor runs completely counter to the Great Enlightenment values of reason and self determination, aside from some very limited areas.

Or maybe to put it another way...

Democrats = Apple
Republicans = Microsoft
Libertarians = Linux


So much like this is the year of the Linux desktop, I can look forward to the next election as being "THE BIG YEAR" for libertarian victories?  :)
 
2013-08-09 10:17:18 AM  
I welcome our new GOP Commie Nazi overlords.
3.bp.blogspot.com

All hail Kaiser Lenin!
 
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