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(The Atlantic Wire)   Casting a 10-year old girl as Little Red Riding Hood in a film adaptation of Steven Sondheim's "Into the Woods" means that either the director really doesn't understand the subtext of the script or he's a pedophile   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 74
    More: Fail, Little Red Riding Hood, Steven Sondheim, movie adaptation, casting, Rob Marshall, Meryl Streep  
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2013-08-08 12:25:02 PM  
I'm going to go with what is a Pedophile for 400 Alex
 
2013-08-08 12:25:33 PM  
Dammit so much, had high hopes. It's my favorite Sondheim
 
2013-08-08 12:28:08 PM  
Hate to say it, but Selina Gomez wouldn't be a horrible choice because (at least facially) she still looks 12.
 
2013-08-08 12:28:51 PM  
Why not both?
 
2013-08-08 12:35:27 PM  

zarberg: Hate to say it, but Selina Gomez wouldn't be a horrible choice because (at least facially) she still looks 12.


a younger looking, but old than mid-  teen actor wouldn't be horrible but a ten-year old Girl?!  either that whole scene is gone or this is gonna be the creepiest role Johnny Depp's ever taken....worse than all his Tim Burton movies combined
 
2013-08-08 12:36:50 PM  
Oh my. This will be interesting. Into the Woods is one of my favorite works, but talk about tone-deaf casting.
 
2013-08-08 12:37:28 PM  
porque no los dos?
 
2013-08-08 12:41:19 PM  
 
2013-08-08 12:41:54 PM  
Paedos at Disney? Really?
 
2013-08-08 12:44:47 PM  
i think that the original context of sondheim's wolf/red riding hood was actually about pedophilia, so i don't necessarily have an issue with the casting. it just seems really odd in what i assume is going to be a wide release film... but considering all the other dark aspects of the show, maybe this is going to be more of a limited release/art house affair then some recent musicals.
 
2013-08-08 12:44:49 PM  
Casting a child or very young looking actress is pretty bold. I'm more concerned, myself, with the talent level than anything else though.

Now, I won't make any snap judgments until I see the work. I just hope that film makers learned about musical casting from the Russel Crowe/Les Mis debacle.
 
2013-08-08 12:46:21 PM  

tlchwi02: i think that the original context of sondheim's wolf/red riding hood was actually about pedophilia, so i don't necessarily have an issue with the casting. it just seems really odd in what i assume is going to be a wide release film... but considering all the other dark aspects of the show, maybe this is going to be more of a limited release/art house affair then some recent musicals.


Isn't the actual story about pedophilia? A lot of those fairy tales aren't as family-friendly as they seem to be.
 
2013-08-08 12:51:31 PM  

Lollipop165: tlchwi02: i think that the original context of sondheim's wolf/red riding hood was actually about pedophilia, so i don't necessarily have an issue with the casting. it just seems really odd in what i assume is going to be a wide release film... but considering all the other dark aspects of the show, maybe this is going to be more of a limited release/art house affair then some recent musicals.

Isn't the actual story about pedophilia? A lot of those fairy tales aren't as family-friendly as they seem to be.


Well, Disney has been known to sanitize fairy tales to within an inch of their lives, so we'll have to wait and see if they kept anything other than the character names.
 
2013-08-08 12:52:06 PM  

Lollipop165: tlchwi02: i think that the original context of sondheim's wolf/red riding hood was actually about pedophilia, so i don't necessarily have an issue with the casting. it just seems really odd in what i assume is going to be a wide release film... but considering all the other dark aspects of the show, maybe this is going to be more of a limited release/art house affair then some recent musicals.

Isn't the actual story about pedophilia? A lot of those fairy tales aren't as family-friendly as they seem to be.


More about how growing up can suck but can also be exciting and amazing, and you can't shield your kids forever.
 
2013-08-08 12:54:26 PM  

zarberg: Lollipop165: tlchwi02: i think that the original context of sondheim's wolf/red riding hood was actually about pedophilia, so i don't necessarily have an issue with the casting. it just seems really odd in what i assume is going to be a wide release film... but considering all the other dark aspects of the show, maybe this is going to be more of a limited release/art house affair then some recent musicals.

Isn't the actual story about pedophilia? A lot of those fairy tales aren't as family-friendly as they seem to be.

More about how growing up can suck but can also be exciting and amazing, and you can't shield your kids forever.



I thought it was about hot wolf on girl rape?
 
2013-08-08 12:57:05 PM  

zarberg: More about how growing up can suck but can also be exciting and amazing, and you can't shield your kids forever.


And, let's be honest, isn't that the entire theme of Into The Woods?
 
2013-08-08 01:00:54 PM  
"Hello Little Girl..."
www.clevelandwomen.com
 
2013-08-08 01:07:28 PM  

Lollipop165: Isn't the actual story about pedophilia? A lot of those fairy tales aren't as family-friendly as they seem to be.


Its an allusion to it as well. Best interpretation of the story IMHO is still Freeway.

KatjaMouse: Now, I won't make any snap judgments until I see the work. I just hope that film makers learned about musical casting from the Russel Crowe/Les Mis debacle.


Cmon, he wasn't THAT bad. I mean yeah it was bad but its not like he sucked the entire vat of enjoyment from it.
 
2013-08-08 01:18:08 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: Cmon, he wasn't THAT bad. I mean yeah it was bad but its not like he sucked the entire vat of enjoyment from it.


Just when he sang two of my favorite songs from the whole show.
 
2013-08-08 01:25:56 PM  

zarberg: More about how growing up can suck but can also be exciting and amazing, and you can't shield your kids forever.


i would actually agree both with your statement and the one you were quoting. Its about growing up, but the wolf/hood interaction is about older men taking advantage of young women... maybe not pedophilia, but the implication always seemed to be there
 
2013-08-08 01:28:28 PM  

nocturnal001: zarberg: Lollipop165: tlchwi02: i think that the original context of sondheim's wolf/red riding hood was actually about pedophilia, so i don't necessarily have an issue with the casting. it just seems really odd in what i assume is going to be a wide release film... but considering all the other dark aspects of the show, maybe this is going to be more of a limited release/art house affair then some recent musicals.

Isn't the actual story about pedophilia? A lot of those fairy tales aren't as family-friendly as they seem to be.

More about how growing up can suck but can also be exciting and amazing, and you can't shield your kids forever.


I thought it was about hot wolf on girl rape?


It about Lycnathropy....jesus doesn;t anyone read the original source material anymore:
www.risingshadow.net
 
2013-08-08 01:31:14 PM  
I just watched the version on Netflix the other day.  That wolf is a pedo.
 
2013-08-08 01:31:20 PM  
I don't understand why cast a kid. What does it gain you?

Maybe the Red Riding Hood stuff is pretty much stripped from the movie, I mean time is a factor here its a long show. If she is just a minor role it might not be the end of the world.

More likely we are gonna see a high pitch nasal kiddy Hello Little Girl that is gonna piss me off.
 
2013-08-08 01:31:41 PM  

KatjaMouse: Just when he sang two of my favorite songs from the whole show.


Okay, yeah that would do it
 
2013-08-08 01:31:53 PM  
Roman?  Is that you?
 
2013-08-08 01:33:00 PM  
Rob Marshall is not into girls (or women) in that way.
 
2013-08-08 01:36:18 PM  

KatjaMouse: Casting a child or very young looking actress is pretty bold. I'm more concerned, myself, with the talent level than anything else though.

Now, I won't make any snap judgments until I see the work. I just hope that film makers learned about musical casting from the Russel Crowe/Les Mis debacle.


I'm not sure that they have. I can see Johnny Depp as the Wolf, but Chris Pine as Cinderella's Prince?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2180411/
 
2013-08-08 01:42:46 PM  
Not familiar with the script, but if that subtext truly exists, it still applies to a girl... What do you want them to do... cast a 28 year old?

You should be mad at Sondheim.
 
2013-08-08 01:46:02 PM  

nerftaig: I don't understand why cast a kid. What does it gain you?


Free publicity.
 
2013-08-08 01:51:11 PM  
Um, yeah.  This is a Disney movie, which means most of the controversial aspects like pedo wolves and such will be left out or nerfed.  Somehow I don't think Johnny Depp would have agreed to play a pedophilic wolf.

And btw, there already exists an "Into The Woods Jr" version that is appropriate for kids.  It focuses more on the fairy tale aspects and leaves the adult material out.  I'm guessing the movie will more closely follow that version rather than the Broadway version.
 
2013-08-08 01:54:51 PM  
No Bernadette Peters as the witch?
 
2013-08-08 01:55:29 PM  
If they're going with the pedophile angle I'm surprised they didn't cast Kevin Bacon, he seems to have a lock on every pedo role in Hollywood.
 
2013-08-08 01:55:32 PM  

Kyosuke: Lollipop165: tlchwi02: i think that the original context of sondheim's wolf/red riding hood was actually about pedophilia, so i don't necessarily have an issue with the casting. it just seems really odd in what i assume is going to be a wide release film... but considering all the other dark aspects of the show, maybe this is going to be more of a limited release/art house affair then some recent musicals.

Isn't the actual story about pedophilia? A lot of those fairy tales aren't as family-friendly as they seem to be.

Well, Disney has been known to sanitize fairy tales to within an inch of their lives, so we'll have to wait and see if they kept anything other than the character names.


My favorite example of this is Snow White.  In one of the earliest written versions of the tale (which I found in the Kindle store a few years ago), she was 7 years old when her stepmother tried to kill her, and there was no meeting between her and the prince until after she'd eaten the poisoned apple.  Which means that their first meeting is when the prince falls in love with what he thinks is a 7-year-old dead girl.

Although I still think the biggest WTF in that version of the story is how the spell is broken: while carting away the "dead" girl, the prince's carriage hits a bump that causes the bit of poisoned apple to dislodge from her throat, and she immediately comes back to life.
 
2013-08-08 02:01:45 PM  
33 posts and no South Park The Lady in White references?

/it's about subtext
//and blowjobs
 
2013-08-08 02:02:55 PM  

Persnickety: Um, yeah.  This is a Disney movie, which means most of the controversial aspects like pedo wolves and such will be left out or nerfed.  Somehow I don't think Johnny Depp would have agreed to play a pedophilic wolf.

And btw, there already exists an "Into The Woods Jr" version that is appropriate for kids.  It focuses more on the fairy tale aspects and leaves the adult material out.  I'm guessing the movie will more closely follow that version rather than the Broadway version.


i think they just do act 1 for the jr version, but i'm not sure how they handle the wolf stuff. i guess if you don't play up the leering aspect it could probably pass.
 
2013-08-08 02:03:57 PM  
I can fap to this.
 
2013-08-08 02:09:24 PM  
cdn.theatlanticwire.com

Why did they pick a girl with a repaired cleft palette ?
 
2013-08-08 02:09:57 PM  

KatjaMouse: Casting a child or very young looking actress is pretty bold. I'm more concerned, myself, with the talent level than anything else though.

Now, I won't make any snap judgments until I see the work. I just hope that film makers learned about musical casting from the Russel Crowe/Les Mis debacle.


Sure they learned a lot. They learned that a big budget musical can still make a lot of money with big name stars that don't really have the chops to sing the songs their characters need to sing.

Russel Crowe is a fine rock 'n roll garage-band growler-type singer, I suppose, and I don't blame him for jumping at the chance to join Les Mis when offered the part. But yeah, being offered the part in general was a mistake in the first place, especially when compared to the singing in the rest of the movie.

I've never seen it, but apparently Peirce Brosnan's singing in Mama Mia! is the absolute worst example of a "movie star who couldn't sing his way out of a paper bag" bad musical casting event.
 
2013-08-08 02:11:21 PM  

Persnickety: Um, yeah.  This is a Disney movie, which means most of the controversial aspects like pedo wolves and such will be left out or nerfed.  Somehow I don't think Johnny Depp would have agreed to play a pedophilic wolf.

And btw, there already exists an "Into The Woods Jr" version that is appropriate for kids.  It focuses more on the fairy tale aspects and leaves the adult material out.  I'm guessing the movie will more closely follow that version rather than the Broadway version.


I saw Into the Woods when I was a kid. The adult stuff I just didn't understand but I paid no mind to it. You know its good writing if kids can see one thing and enjoy it and adults see another and also enjoy it. I'd hate to see a "cleaned up" version in my opinion. The regular show is pretty PG in my opinion.
 
2013-08-08 02:15:41 PM  

laughin: No Bernadette Peters as the witch?


She's not a witch! She's Your Wife!
 
2013-08-08 02:18:01 PM  
I'm more concerned about Meryl Streep as the witch, because a) can she sing, and b) the witch is supposed to be young and attractive in her "un-witchified" appearance.
 
2013-08-08 02:19:45 PM  

laughin: No Bernadette Peters as the witch?



The original witch was Betty Buckley. It would be pretty cool to see what she would do with the role after all these years have passed.
 
2013-08-08 02:19:46 PM  

anfrind: Kyosuke: Lollipop165: tlchwi02: i think that the original context of sondheim's wolf/red riding hood was actually about pedophilia, so i don't necessarily have an issue with the casting. it just seems really odd in what i assume is going to be a wide release film... but considering all the other dark aspects of the show, maybe this is going to be more of a limited release/art house affair then some recent musicals.

Isn't the actual story about pedophilia? A lot of those fairy tales aren't as family-friendly as they seem to be.

Well, Disney has been known to sanitize fairy tales to within an inch of their lives, so we'll have to wait and see if they kept anything other than the character names.

My favorite example of this is Snow White.  In one of the earliest written versions of the tale (which I found in the Kindle store a few years ago), she was 7 years old when her stepmother tried to kill her, and there was no meeting between her and the prince until after she'd eaten the poisoned apple.  Which means that their first meeting is when the prince falls in love with what he thinks is a 7-year-old dead girl.

Although I still think the biggest WTF in that version of the story is how the spell is broken: while carting away the "dead" girl, the prince's carriage hits a bump that causes the bit of poisoned apple to dislodge from her throat, and she immediately comes back to life.


Tanith Lee, in the above referenced volume has a perfectly rational explanation for this: Snow White is a vampire, which not only explains her complexion but makes the "wicked" stepmother, a virtous women who is trying to save her kingdom from a supernatural menace (and why she told the huntsman to bring back her heart).  The apple isn;t "poisoned" so much as sprinkled with bits of a consecrated host, which explains its effect on Snow...
 
2013-08-08 02:22:49 PM  
Magorn:

I thought it was about hot wolf on girl rape?

It about Lycnathropy....jesus doesn;t anyone read the original source material anymore:
[www.risingshadow.net image 315x513]


Not sure if serious.
 
2013-08-08 02:23:53 PM  
The Wolf and Prince Charming are the same actor and the subtext is that both are sexual predators who are only interested in their next conquest and use the lure of "happily ever after" to seduce.  FFS, the Wolf's costume tends not to be shy about featuring genitalia.

If the girl has the singing chops, then she can play the part.
 
2013-08-08 02:33:11 PM  

Lollipop165: Persnickety: Um, yeah.  This is a Disney movie, which means most of the controversial aspects like pedo wolves and such will be left out or nerfed.  Somehow I don't think Johnny Depp would have agreed to play a pedophilic wolf.

And btw, there already exists an "Into The Woods Jr" version that is appropriate for kids.  It focuses more on the fairy tale aspects and leaves the adult material out.  I'm guessing the movie will more closely follow that version rather than the Broadway version.

I saw Into the Woods when I was a kid. The adult stuff I just didn't understand but I paid no mind to it. You know its good writing if kids can see one thing and enjoy it and adults see another and also enjoy it. I'd hate to see a "cleaned up" version in my opinion. The regular show is pretty PG in my opinion.


The show has a bit of violence specifically loss of body parts eyes and feet. It engages with the grotesque aspect of fairy tales, in a limited fun way, but I don't see that part staying in the film.

I worry adding a child to the show may make the appeal skew younger, but if anything it will make the content darker. How can a 10 year old do anything the character red riding hood does in a not super farked up way. Where a young person on the edge of adulthood could just sorta roll with it.
 
2013-08-08 02:38:22 PM  
Pedro bear says pass the popcorn
 
2013-08-08 02:41:18 PM  

Lollipop165: Persnickety: Um, yeah.  This is a Disney movie, which means most of the controversial aspects like pedo wolves and such will be left out or nerfed.  Somehow I don't think Johnny Depp would have agreed to play a pedophilic wolf.

And btw, there already exists an "Into The Woods Jr" version that is appropriate for kids.  It focuses more on the fairy tale aspects and leaves the adult material out.  I'm guessing the movie will more closely follow that version rather than the Broadway version.

I saw Into the Woods when I was a kid. The adult stuff I just didn't understand but I paid no mind to it. You know its good writing if kids can see one thing and enjoy it and adults see another and also enjoy it. I'd hate to see a "cleaned up" version in my opinion. The regular show is pretty PG in my opinion.


In "little red hot riding hood" I was not quite sure as a little kid what the wolf was blowing his top for, but I knew that I would desperately want it one day.
 
2013-08-08 02:53:11 PM  
Idiots. Little Red Riding Hood was a little girl....period.

/What ever you morons or film makers do with the story is moronic at best.
//Then argue about the moronic remakes
 
2013-08-08 02:55:12 PM  
T.rex:

You should be mad at Sondheim.

Pointless. Even he doesn't fully understand this show.
 
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