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2013-08-08 11:43:11 AM  
Only 5?
 
2013-08-08 11:56:49 AM  
Let's be fair, Fundies do not misinterpret the Bible, that would imply the actually READ the book.
 
2013-08-08 12:07:24 PM  

Ennuipoet: Let's be fair, Fundies do not misinterpret the Bible, that would imply the actually READ the book.

Read

, yes.

Understand, no.
 
2013-08-08 12:10:26 PM  
You can't misinterpret something when it has been intentionally written and edited in a way that is open-ended enough that it can be used to mean anything.

That's why smart people don't use parables and fables as their only source of wisdom about the universe around them.
 
2013-08-08 12:10:48 PM  
Misinterpreting it as being meant to be taken literally.
 
2013-08-08 12:11:38 PM  
I'm still waiting for someone to find me a verse which outlaws gay marriage.
 
2013-08-08 12:12:01 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ennuipoet: Let's be fair, Fundies do not misinterpret the Bible, that would imply the actually READ the book.

Read, yes.

Understand, no.


I imagine fundies comprehending the Bible is like me comprehending Finnegan's Wake.

/i'll never finish understand that book
 
2013-08-08 12:12:53 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ennuipoet: Let's be fair, Fundies do not misinterpret the Bible, that would imply the actually READ the book.

Read, yes.

Understand, no.


I'll go with selective reading. If you condemn homosexuals with a ham and cheese sandwich in you hand, you are doing it wrong.
 
2013-08-08 12:13:40 PM  
Nothing about sheep and goats?

If I wanted someone to interpret the Old Testament, I'd talk to a Jew.
 
2013-08-08 12:16:09 PM  
Like how everyone always gets the ten commandments wrong?
 
2013-08-08 12:16:39 PM  
It's because their pastors and FOX News lie to them about what the bible says. They were warned in the New Testament about that.. if they bothered to read it front to back.
 
2013-08-08 12:17:17 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Only 5?


Damn, came to say exactly this...
 
2013-08-08 12:17:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Only 5?


Yes, just the five. Husbands should be like Kleenex: soft, strong and disposable.

wait...what?
 
2013-08-08 12:20:21 PM  
#1 They don't actually read it, but just trust their pastor/minister/priest.
 
2013-08-08 12:20:30 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ennuipoet: Let's be fair, Fundies do not misinterpret the Bible, that would imply the actually READ the book.

Read, yes.

Understand, no.


I should have phrased my statement that way.  I read the Bible in my late teens while struggling to come to grips with my lack of faith, and I didn't understand it.  I finally wrapped my head around it years later in college when I took a few classes on Biblical history.
 
2013-08-08 12:21:29 PM  

BafflerMeal: Like how everyone always gets the ten commandments wrong?


That's always been the most humorous bit to me.  Take a look at the wikipedia page on the 10 commandments - it's got seven different numbering systems for them.

Fundamentalists expect me to believe that gays should be stoned because of one single sentence written 3000 years ago and translated about a dozen times - when the same book has trouble consistently counting past 9?
 
2013-08-08 12:21:37 PM  

simplicimus: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ennuipoet: Let's be fair, Fundies do not misinterpret the Bible, that would imply the actually READ the book.

Read, yes.

Understand, no.

I'll go with selective reading. If you condemn homosexuals with a ham and cheese sandwich in you hand, you are doing it wrong.


Pretty much this.  Unless you live under the precepts of Levitical law, you better watch yourself on how you condemn others.  Article is pretty spot on, though.  My Christian belief system looks nothing like the Fundies and I am surrounded by them here in Texas.  I do love getting into a debate with them where they start spouting scripture, because I can throw it back in their face.  With kindness, of course.  Heap burning coals :D
 
2013-08-08 12:24:17 PM  
Galatians 5:14For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Romans 14:1-23 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...

Hebrews 13:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Jeremiah 22:3 Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.

Leviticus 24:22You shall have the same rule for the sojourner and for the native, for I am the Lord your God."

Exodus 12:49There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you."

Romans 13:8-10Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Malachi 3:5 "Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts.

Leviticus 25:35-38"If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you. You shall not lend him your money at interest, nor give him your food for profit. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan, and to be your God.

Leviticus 24:16 Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

Exodus 23:12 "Six days you shall do your work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; that your ox and your donkey may have rest, and the son of your servant woman, and the alien, may be refreshed.

Exodus 20:10But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates.

Ezekiel 22:29The people of the land have practiced extortion and committed robbery. They have oppressed the poor and needy, and have extorted from the sojourner without justice.

Leviticus 25:45You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property.

Ezekiel 16:49-50 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.

Isaiah 25:6On this mountain the Lord of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined.

Genesis 19:1-38 The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth and said, "My lords, please turn aside to your servant's house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way." They said, "No; we will spend the night in the town square." But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them." ...

1 Peter 2:9But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

James 1:27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

Romans 1:26-27 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Romans 1:1-32Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, ...

Numbers 9:11 In the second month on the fourteenth day at twilight they shall keep it. They shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

Numbers 1:51When the tabernacle is to set out, the Levites shall take it down, and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up. And if any outsider comes near, he shall be put to death.

Leviticus 25:44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you.

Leviticus 22:19If it is to be accepted for you it shall be a male without blemish, of the bulls or the sheep or the goats.

Leviticus 22:18"Speak to Aaron and his sons and all the people of Israel and say to them, When any one of the house of Israel or of the sojourners in Israel presents a burnt offering as his offering, for any of their vows or freewill offerings that they offer to the Lord,

Leviticus 22:12If a priest's daughter marries a layman, she shall not eat of the contribution of the holy things.

Leviticus 22:10 "A lay person shall not eat of a holy thing; no foreign guest of the priest or hired servant shall eat of a holy thing,

Leviticus 18:1-30 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, I am the Lord your God. You shall not do as they do in the land of Egypt, where you lived, and you shall not do as they do in the land of Canaan, to which I am bringing you. You shall not walk in their statutes. You shall follow my rules and keep my statutes and walk in them. I am the Lord your God. You shall therefore keep my statutes and my rules; if a person does them, he shall live by them: I am the Lord. ...

Leviticus 17:10"If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people.

Leviticus 17:8 "And you shall say to them, Any one of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among them, who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice

Exodus 29:33 They shall eat those things with which atonement was made at their ordination and consecration, but an outsider shall not eat of them, because they are holy.

Exodus 12:48 If a stranger shall sojourn with you and would keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised. Then he may come near and keep it; he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.

James 1:14-15 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.

Hebrews 13:4 Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

Philemon 1:2 And Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and the church in your house:

1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God;

Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 2:1-29 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man-you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself-that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. ...

Matthew 27:7 So they took counsel and bought with them the potter's field as a burial place for strangers.

Daniel 1:8But Daniel resolved that he would not defile himself with the king's food, or with the wine that he drank. Therefore he asked the chief of the eunuchs to allow him not to defile himself.

Isaiah 5:11 Woe to those who rise early in the morning, that they may run after strong drink, who tarry late into the evening as wine inflames them!

Judges 19:1-30 In those days, when there was no king in Israel, a certain Levite was sojourning in the remote parts of the hill country of Ephraim, who took to himself a concubine from Bethlehem in Judah. And his concubine was unfaithful to him, and she went away from him to her father's house at Bethlehem in Judah, and was there some four months. Then her husband arose and went after her, to speak kindly to her and bring her back. He had with him his servant and a couple of donkeys. And she brought him into her father's house. And when the girl's father saw him, he came with joy to meet him. And his father-in-law, the girl's father, made him stay, and he remained with him three days. So they ate and drank and spent the night there. And on the fourth day they arose early in the morning, and he prepared to go, but the girl's father said to his son-in-law, "Strengthen your heart with a morsel of bread, and after that you may go." ...

Leviticus 22:25 Neither shall you offer as the bread of your God any such animals gotten from a foreigner. Since there is a blemish in them, because of their mutilation, they will not be accepted for you."

Exodus 12:43 And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "This is the statute of the Passover: no foreigner shall eat of it,


You aren't arguing against liberals, "those people" or "commies". You are arguing against God and Jesus. Did not Jesus warn you about being hypocrites and against showing hate?
 
2013-08-08 12:24:26 PM  
I think that number is off by a couple orders of magnitude.
 
2013-08-08 12:24:41 PM  
Cafeteria Christians, they take what they want and leave the rest on the table.
 
2013-08-08 12:26:48 PM  
It's almost as if fundamentalist don't actually care about what is in the bible but instead are using it as an appeal to authority so they can rationalize their own poorly thought out arguments and justify their feeling of supremacy.
 
2013-08-08 12:27:49 PM  

skozlaw: You can't misinterpret something when it has been intentionally written and edited in a way that is open-ended enough that it can be used to mean anything.

That's why smart people don't use parables and fables as their only source of wisdom about the universe around them.


This.  Though, in fairness to (all three or so of) the Christians that are honest in their intentions and not intentionally disingenuous and hypocritical, that is for a fairly broad use of the word "intentional".  Most of the self-contradiction in the book used to justify whatever you feel like at the moment is as much a result of the basic statistics of compiling 1500 years of old wives' tales as it is clerics intentionally being dicks.

For every 'two heads are better than one' you have a 'too many cooks spoil the pot' just in English fake-wisdom from the last century, that only gets worse as you expand the reference pool without any way to categorize which old-woman advice to take seriously.  This is why books of random folk-lore and family/tribal rules from a hundred eras and situations piled together with essentially no context is  not a good guide for your moral decisions.
 
2013-08-08 12:29:11 PM  
Fundies think that all those verses in the bible apply only to the individual. When the government acts to advances those biblical principles, it's a bad thing.

/except for gay marriage, contraception, and abortion, of course
 
2013-08-08 12:29:39 PM  
To be fair, this article is also cherry-picking and decontextualizing Bible verses, just like the Fundamentalists do. The reality is that the Bible is a large document, rife with contradictions, metaphor, poetry, mythology, law, and history. Any large work, of that kind of complexity, compiled over that long a history, re-interpreted and re-envisioned with each new generation, becomes a mirror. The only thing you see in the Bible is what you put there. The Bible  always supports the beliefs of the person using it.
 
2013-08-08 12:31:39 PM  

Karac: BafflerMeal: Like how everyone always gets the ten commandments wrong?

That's always been the most humorous bit to me.  Take a look at the wikipedia page on the 10 commandments - it's got seven different numbering systems for them.

Fundamentalists expect me to believe that gays should be stoned because of one single sentence written 3000 years ago and translated about a dozen times - when the same book has trouble consistently counting past 9?



It's more fun than that even.  In Exodus 20 Moses is like "here's what god said".  And he rattled off a list similar to what people know but there were no tablets or naming them the 'commandments', just him passing along hearsay (yes, I know).  Then later in Exodus 34 Moses goes back up on the mountain and god says, "hey man.  write this stuff down for a change.  And also, I command these things".  So Moses *then* chisels out a bullet'd list on tablets *that is different* from the list a few pages back.

And so everyone around the world with their decorative wall hanging of the tablets, or their courthouse sculpture have the wrong words on their tablets...
 
2013-08-08 12:33:08 PM  
scienceblogs.com
 
2013-08-08 12:34:57 PM  
Think of Martin Luther King Jr., Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi and Thich Quang Duc...

He couldn't come up with even one white guy or a woman to put on the list.
 
2013-08-08 12:37:24 PM  
Does it have the prosperity gospel?

Because the prosperity gospel makes me angry.

Not only does Jesus EXPLICITLY STATE that it does not work that way, the ONLY people he gets angry at in the story/mythology of the Bible are, really, the Moneychangers in the temple.

Not the roman guards that came to take him to his execution (he HEALS one of them).

Not Judas.

Not *SATAN* in the desert. (He seems more..annoyed than angry?)

But the moneychangers in the temple? The folks using a holy site to enrich themselves and line their own coffers? Holy shiat, does he get ripsnortingly pissed.

And then the prosperity gospel comes along and just.. gah. ARGH. I'm not even sure why it makes me so angry, but it does. Maybe because it seems like such a blatant and bizarre perversion.
 
2013-08-08 12:37:35 PM  
In all fairness, lots of Christians misinterpret the Bible, especially the Old Testament. But as Lewis Black said, "Not their fault. Not their book."
 
2013-08-08 12:37:41 PM  
Princess Ryans Knickers:

tl;dr

blah blah "and the genitals of her lovers were like horses, and their ejaculations like those of donkeys" blah blah.  Good Bible.

Heraclitus:
Cafeteria Christians, they take what they want and leave the rest on the table.

Technically, those are "buffet Christians".  Also identified by tipping with religious pamphlets if at all.
 
2013-08-08 12:37:48 PM  
Immigration:

When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. - Leviticus 19:33-34.


Actually there is dispute about the meaning of this given the context of the times. "Stranger" may just mean someone of your culture that speaks your language that you don't know because he comes from some distance away. The Bible is not known for its stories of intercultural tolerance and harmony. Presumably the people who were nice to the Jews in Egypt were other Jews.

There may have been a policy of not killing cultural foreigners outright just because they were foreign but there is no evidence of treating them as family.
 
2013-08-08 12:38:34 PM  
I think we should all remember Matthew 21:17

Yeah, think about it!
 
2013-08-08 12:39:39 PM  
"By applying it to a secular government" suspiciously absent.

Hell, Deuteronomy says you must follow the laws of the place in which you live, laying out pretty clearly that the Biblical author expects The Faithful to live under systems other than the one described.

// also, I don't see a single leader with The Law bound to their arm
 
2013-08-08 12:39:50 PM  

Witty_Retort: Nothing about sheep and goats?

If I wanted someone to interpret the Old Testament, I'd talk to a Jew.


I used to date a Jewish girl. She once told me, "The Bible is a weird book. The hero dies in the middle."
 
2013-08-08 12:39:59 PM  

Karac: I'm still waiting for someone to find me a verse which outlaws gay marriage.


It falls under having sex in the temple of Moloch as parts of the harvest rites and the Jewish worship of Babylonian deities. I thought that was quite clear. That and it help crack down on the practices of Mithras, so it made the conversion of the Roman legions easier by Constantine. If that is not a good enough reason, I do not know what is.
 
2013-08-08 12:43:11 PM  

Karac: Fundamentalists expect me to believe that gays should be stoned because of one single sentence written 3000 years ago and translated about a dozen times - when the same book has trouble consistently counting past 9?


Strictly speaking, in US protestant theology:

1. Leviticus (where most of the 'stoning' bits are) is part of the fulfilled law, and non-Jewish Christians aren't required to obey it because it's part of the pact with the tribe of Israel specifically rather than the general covenant between Jesus and the Church.  Technically the same can be said of the ten commandments, save that they're mostly reaffirmed in the new testament.

2. Similarly, hatred of homosexual acts is not based on the Leviticus shiat strictly speaking, but New Testament statements made by Paul and the post-ressurection Jesus, in what us non-Christians tend to think of as the part of the bible written after dropping the brown acid, but for the Christians the command is legit.  They're actually told _not_ to harm those that sin, though, just that gay men at least are going to hell to burn forever.  Which isn't pleasant, but at least isn't a call to violence, so there's that.

If you keep the doctrine of fullfillment or whatever in mind and remember the influence of Calvinism and the dominionist movement on US protestant thought, a lot of the behavior of the churches makes a lot more sense.  Don't get me wrong, it's still stupid, but you'll find yourself less flabbergasted by the randomness of who they decided to target this week and be more of the "eh, that's dumb, but I guess I get it" type.
 
2013-08-08 12:43:58 PM  
Boyd Crowder, please report to the Fark Politics tab.
 
2013-08-08 12:44:04 PM  

HairBolus: Actually there is dispute about the meaning of this given the context of the times.


[citation needed]

A "stranger" is someone who lives there who practices another faith. In Hebrew, the term "ger" means "nation" - the verse implying that just because a member of another tribe lives among you doesn't give you license to treat them badly. In fact, Exodus (among others) specifically says you can't use a different measure for the stranger, and in general that you can't withhold alms (aid) from them because of that status. There are many times where the phrase "the stranger (ger) that lives in your midst" is used, which would be meaningless if "stranger" always meant "someone who lives far away".
 
2013-08-08 12:45:34 PM  
There was no APPLE in the story of Adam and Eve. TOTES CRAY
 
2013-08-08 12:45:40 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Karac: Fundamentalists expect me to believe that gays should be stoned because of one single sentence written 3000 years ago and translated about a dozen times - when the same book has trouble consistently counting past 9?

Strictly speaking, in US protestant theology:

1. Leviticus (where most of the 'stoning' bits are) is part of the fulfilled law, and non-Jewish Christians aren't required to obey it because it's part of the pact with the tribe of Israel specifically rather than the general covenant between Jesus and the Church.  Technically the same can be said of the ten commandments, save that they're mostly reaffirmed in the new testament.

2. Similarly, hatred of homosexual acts is not based on the Leviticus shiat strictly speaking, but New Testament statements made by Paul and the post-ressurection Jesus, in what us non-Christians tend to think of as the part of the bible written after dropping the brown acid, but for the Christians the command is legit.  They're actually told _not_ to harm those that sin, though, just that gay men at least are going to hell to burn forever.  Which isn't pleasant, but at least isn't a call to violence, so there's that.

If you keep the doctrine of fullfillment or whatever in mind and remember the influence of Calvinism and the dominionist movement on US protestant thought, a lot of the behavior of the churches makes a lot more sense.  Don't get me wrong, it's still stupid, but you'll find yourself less flabbergasted by the randomness of who they decided to target this week and be more of the "eh, that's dumb, but I guess I get it" type.


You seem like an intelligent and well reasoned person, why are you here?
 
2013-08-08 12:46:17 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: He couldn't come up with even one white guy or a woman to put on the list.


Jesus was white.

/ runs away
 
2013-08-08 12:49:26 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: There was no APPLE in the story of Adam and Eve. TOTES CRAY


The story of Adam & Eve also appears AFTER God populates the earth. There's a school of thought that believes Augustine of Hippo had it added to the Bible around 400 AD/
 
2013-08-08 12:49:52 PM  
6. They don't understand that the Bible is the most successful fantasy novel ever.
 
2013-08-08 12:50:03 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Boyd Crowder, please report to the Fark Politics tab.



<threadjack>

What is the deal with that show?  Why do people rave about it?  Me and the Bafflerette have watched almost through season 4 now based on frien'ds recommendations and it seems like a just another CBS-style prime time crime procedural that gets to say dirty words.  It has some of the most convoluted plotting and lazy scripts on tv.  No real character development either aside from the Boyd side of the house.  I guess people just like watching Raylan chew up scenery and squint alot while learning nothing about his co-workers, or what the rest of the small Marshall office does.

Season 4 is off the rails crazy convoluted.  Only four episodes left, I've read al the episode summaries online up to what I've watched and the 'big plot arc' seems freakishly convoluted and not rational.  Just a series of event A, then event B, then event C.

</threadjack>
 
2013-08-08 12:50:46 PM  
Out of boredom, and not being a fundamentalist.. or really a Christian, let me retort one that's often parroted:

One of the most humorous aspects of modern-day, far-right Christianity is its reverence of capitalism. in the Gospel of Mark, Jesus tells the rich man, "go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."

Giving to charity and having your money taken and spent by government bureaucracies are two different things.  Christians aren't anti-charity, they're anti-government hand outs.  Different things
 
2013-08-08 12:50:49 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Jim_Callahan: Karac: Fundamentalists expect me to believe that gays should be stoned because of one single sentence written 3000 years ago and translated about a dozen times - when the same book has trouble consistently counting past 9?

Strictly speaking, in US protestant theology:

1. Leviticus (where most of the 'stoning' bits are) is part of the fulfilled law, and non-Jewish Christians aren't required to obey it because it's part of the pact with the tribe of Israel specifically rather than the general covenant between Jesus and the Church.  Technically the same can be said of the ten commandments, save that they're mostly reaffirmed in the new testament.

2. Similarly, hatred of homosexual acts is not based on the Leviticus shiat strictly speaking, but New Testament statements made by Paul and the post-ressurection Jesus, in what us non-Christians tend to think of as the part of the bible written after dropping the brown acid, but for the Christians the command is legit.  They're actually told _not_ to harm those that sin, though, just that gay men at least are going to hell to burn forever.  Which isn't pleasant, but at least isn't a call to violence, so there's that.

If you keep the doctrine of fullfillment or whatever in mind and remember the influence of Calvinism and the dominionist movement on US protestant thought, a lot of the behavior of the churches makes a lot more sense.  Don't get me wrong, it's still stupid, but you'll find yourself less flabbergasted by the randomness of who they decided to target this week and be more of the "eh, that's dumb, but I guess I get it" type.

You seem like an intelligent and well reasoned person, why are you here?


It's funny cuz it's true.

/oh politics tab, you so silly
 
2013-08-08 12:51:09 PM  
No mention of the deal that environmentalism and global warming are sinful because da Lord gave Man the Earth to use as we please and Man cannot break the Earth and if the Earth is gone....ummmmmmmm....the Lord will take care of us?
 
2013-08-08 12:52:01 PM  
Matthew 10:7-8: And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

I interpret this as meaning if you're going to preach, don't ask to get paid.
 
2013-08-08 12:52:14 PM  
How do you not misinterpret something that was passed down through oral tradition, transcribed and translated through multiple languages? Something of which the oldest known copies are at least a hundred years younger than the events that they describe?

The record is far too damaged and unreliable. Anyone saying that they know the original message of these stories is farking fooling themselves.
 
2013-08-08 12:52:41 PM  

MugzyBrown: Out of boredom, and not being a fundamentalist.. or really a Christian, let me retort one that's often parroted:

One of the most humorous aspects of modern-day, far-right Christianity is its reverence of capitalism. in the Gospel of Mark, Jesus tells the rich man, "go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven."

Giving to charity and having your money taken and spent by government bureaucracies are two different things.  Christians aren't anti-charity, they're anti-government hand outs.  Different things


Yes, how dare the government make sure everyone has at least a bare minimum of food and other needs. How very un-Christian of them.

/wait, what?
 
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