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(Slate)   "Effective immediately, Slate will no longer refer to Washington's NFL team as the Redskins. Well, after this time; we had to mention the name so you knew what we were talking about. Redskins, you see, is a racist archaic term"   (slate.com) divider line 34
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2013-08-08 09:45:15 AM
4 votes:
I think calling someone a "Senator" is far more derogatory.
2013-08-08 11:08:19 AM
2 votes:

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


For as long as I have been alive, I have never heard the term used as anything but a reference to the team or a potato. Hell I didn't even associate it with "red Skin"  since it's been a compound word my whole life.   And I kinda thought since the whole "black is beautiful" thing in the 60's that "people of color" rejected the idea that references to their skin color were derogatory anymore.  Pointing out that someone has skin of a particular hue is ony derogatory if you accept that anything not white is per se inferior, a contruct most minorities roundly rejected decades ago.
2013-08-08 10:16:27 AM
2 votes:
We get to keep "Redskins", they get to keep "Western Sky Loans".

"Problem solver" my ass, unless you consider not being in debt for the rest of your life a "problem".
2013-08-08 10:09:05 AM
2 votes:
Oh for Fark's sake...people need to quit being such spineless pussies. What next? No more articles
about redskin potatoes?

Political correctness is one of the worst damn things to infiltrate our society in decades. It makes idiots
think that they have the right to not be offended.

As a country, we used to have thicker skins than this. What the hell happened?
2013-08-08 10:05:19 AM
2 votes:
I never got the whole "sports team name is derogatory."  Isn't it kind of an honor?
2013-08-08 10:03:52 AM
2 votes:
What's the ratio of blowhard journalists to actual Native Americans who take umbrage to the "Redskins" team name? 2000 to 1?
2013-08-08 10:03:36 AM
2 votes:
Great.  Now where will we get all of our Washington Redskins news?
2013-08-08 10:03:05 AM
2 votes:
Searching their past coverage it seems like the only time they mentioned the redskins in the past was when they were a) complaining about the name or owner. b) making sporadic  season/payoff updates or c) a player did something stupid.

This seems like the journalistic equivalent of attention whoring. "We going to stop talking about something we rarely talked about! Now everyone say how progressive and tolerant we are"
2013-08-08 09:54:56 AM
2 votes:

syrynxx: I think calling someone a "Senator" is far more derogatory.


Hey now! There a children present.
2013-08-08 12:38:08 PM
1 votes:
fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net
/flame on
2013-08-08 11:01:10 AM
1 votes:

Wulfman: FTA:  "Changing how you talk changes how you think. The adoption of the term "African-American"-replacing "Negro" and "colored"-in the aftermath of the civil rights movement brought a welcome symmetry with Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans, groups defined by geographic origin rather than by race or color."


OK.  Can we go back to that, and stop with the term "person of color"?  Let me know when the colored community comes to a consensus on that so we can all be happy.


Which is the point Slate and everyone else misses on this subject:

When was the last time you heard the word "Redskin " used when it wasn;t describing a potato or the Washington NFL franchise?   Out time of old-timey westerns has anyone now alive heard it used as a slur?   And while there is no doubt that the former 'Skins owner George Prescott marshall was a stone cold racist, he was prejudiced against BLACK people not native Americans.   The team's name comes from the nickname of one of its first head coaches, who was a full-blood native American.   Ironically enough, the ONLY two Native American head coaches ever to work in the NFL have worked for the Redskins (Jim Zorn being the second).


And frankly, who gets to decide if the name Redskin is acceptable or not?  It's not like "Native AMerican" is actually a thing anyway.   There really is no unifying racial or cultural commanilty between all the various tribes of inndigenous people that lived in the Pre-Columbian US, just various widely differing tribes.   It's a construct of white imperialism to lumpthem all together.    So when someone of the Navajo nation, for example files a lawsuit claiming the word offends them, why do they even have standing?   The local tribes in this area don't seem to a have a problem with it, and have even donated parts of the unoffical mascot, Chief Zee's regalia, so why does a tribe that has nothing in common with the kind of indian depicted on the helmet have the right to object?
2013-08-08 10:56:49 AM
1 votes:
http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/Downloads/Political_Commun i cation/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf

91% of American Indians find the Redskins name to not be offensive while 9% do.

That said, the name will probably die with Snyder. Someone like Disney will buy the team when he croaks and use a name change as a marketing tie-in.
2013-08-08 10:31:08 AM
1 votes:
 "We'll start signing Negroes," Washington Redskins owner George Preston Marshall once quipped, "when the Harlem Globetrotters start signing whites."
In 1961, the Redskins were the only team in professional football without a black player. In fact, in the 25-year history of the franchise, no black had ever played for George Marshall. Sam Lacy, the gifted black sportswriter for the Baltimore Afro-American, called the Redskins football's "lone wolf in lily-whiteism." Their owner was "the one operator in the whole structure of major-league sports who has openly flouted his distaste for tan athletes."

http://espn.go.com/page2/wash/s/2002/0305/1346021.html

/And in the '61 season, the Redskins finished 1-12, and Jim Brown led the league in rushing (but he wasn't good enough to play for the Redskins).
//Let's hear it for the meritocracy!
2013-08-08 10:25:27 AM
1 votes:

doubled99: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

In this century, can you point to any time or place where this term is used when not referring to the football team?


In fact, one could say that the Washington Redskins are a net POSITIVE by changing the language. The most common use is stomping down the older meaning, and the first thing people hear in their heads is the team.
2013-08-08 10:23:26 AM
1 votes:
i912.photobucket.com

If the Skins were a British club:
i912.photobucket.com
2013-08-08 10:21:06 AM
1 votes:
Can they still call ticket resellers Scalpers at a Redskins game?
2013-08-08 10:21:02 AM
1 votes:

born_yesterday: We get to keep "Redskins", they get to keep "Western Sky Loans".

"Problem solver" my ass, unless you consider not being in debt for the rest of your life a "problem".


OMG I know. I saw one of their commercials yesterday. In the teeny tiny print at the bottom of the
screen it never mentions the interest amount but it does talk about payments. For a $10k loan,
some poor sap  would be looking at 80-something monthly payments of $700 and change.

80 x $700 = $56,000

HOLY FARK
2013-08-08 10:19:51 AM
1 votes:
For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

In this century, can you point to any time or place where this term is used when not referring to the football team?
2013-08-08 10:17:40 AM
1 votes:

Raider_dad: A long time ago talking to an African American gal at work about people and color descriptions she couldn't figure out just what kind of color caucasian was suppose to be. "you all look kinda pink to me"

/perhaps lightish red


On the other hand, very few "black" people in the US actually look black.
2013-08-08 10:17:00 AM
1 votes:

Giltric: Black people stay black, and very rarely change color.


I have heard that some of them can go from ashy to classy.
2013-08-08 10:14:29 AM
1 votes:
There are quite a few Native Americans in the northern plain's tribes that were a lot of Redskins gear and would probably like a word with some folks at the Slate.  Check out any tribal golf tournament.


// son of one of them
// perhaps hippies should STFU, the rest of us can speak for ourselves
// a couple might like to take said Slate people hunting
2013-08-08 10:12:06 AM
1 votes:

Giltric: I will no longer refer to Slate as Slate.

It will be known from here on out as: fine-grained, foliated, homogeneous metamorphic rock derived from an original shale-type sedimentary rock composed of clay or volcanic ash through low-grade regional metamorphism.


Me either. From now on, they will be known as Panty Wadding Journalistic HacksTM.
2013-08-08 10:10:41 AM
1 votes:
Ok, enough. Stop this goddamn political correctness bullshiat. It's gone too far. It's a farking FOOTBALL TEAM. They play a farking GAME for a living. Who gives a shiat what the fark they call their farking gay little gaggle of prancing, spandex-clad ball-handlers? If you don't like the name Redskins, don't support the team. One of two things will happen: they'll change the name because they're losing too many fans, or they don't lose fans which shows that approximately no one gives a good goddamn about the issue. Either way, problem farking solved.
2013-08-08 10:10:29 AM
1 votes:

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


What? Like Fighting Irish isn't derogatory?


They are fighting because they are drunk.......

some people are ok with certain racial stereotypes.
2013-08-08 10:08:40 AM
1 votes:
I came up with "Washington Filibusters", with a pirate mascot.  It doesn't really roll off the tongue though.
2013-08-08 10:08:31 AM
1 votes:

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


TFA said that the Native Americans used it to describe themselves. I assume they weren't doing it offensively...

/What will Slate call the Braves?
2013-08-08 10:08:05 AM
1 votes:

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?



Sure:  "Had the Washington Redskins dreamed of a way to finish this remarkable season it would have included a composed, big-time effort from quarterback Mark Rypien and a defense that swarmed the Buffalo Bills from beginning to end. The Redskins got all of that and more and rolled over the Bills, 37-24, to win Super Bowl XXVI."

It wasn't used offensively in that news article.  Ta-da!
2013-08-08 10:05:48 AM
1 votes:
Another Farker said it first....Redskins

www.springhillcommunityfarm.com
2013-08-08 10:05:24 AM
1 votes:

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


Sure, when they named a professional football team that.
2013-08-08 10:04:30 AM
1 votes:
Washington should change their mascot to a potato then their name wouldn't be a problem.
2013-08-08 10:03:50 AM
1 votes:
For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?
2013-08-08 10:02:36 AM
1 votes:
The Washington Teabaggers.

/and no; no American Indian I know gives a flying shiat about any of this...
2013-08-08 10:00:29 AM
1 votes:
Oh for fark's sake.
2013-08-08 09:59:54 AM
1 votes:
I bet Slate woulda called Ali Cassius Clay.
 
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