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(Slate)   "Effective immediately, Slate will no longer refer to Washington's NFL team as the Redskins. Well, after this time; we had to mention the name so you knew what we were talking about. Redskins, you see, is a racist archaic term"   (slate.com) divider line 160
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2013-08-08 11:12:06 AM

slashmonkey: Wasn't the idea to name sports teams after icons that inspire fear and respect; Wolverines, Pirates, Sidewinders, Chiefs, Redskins, Cowboys, Indians, Mavericks, etc?
The trouble with the new-age PC terms is that they just don't inspire. Can you imagine the Washington Indigenous People? The first few telecasts would be a laugh but as far as the NFL crowd goes you may as well call them the Washington Betas. I suppose they could pick something non-PC that doesn't reference a minority. How about the Washington Crackers? Nah .. better stick with animals.


Well, why don't we keep the practice but update the names?

Washington Crips/Bloods?

Washington Lobbyists?

Washington Nukes?

Washington Illegal undocumented immigrants?
 
2013-08-08 11:12:28 AM
For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

For as long as I have been alive, I have never heard the term used as anything but a reference to the team or a potato. Hell I didn't even associate it with "red Skin"  since it's been a compound word my whole life.   And I kinda thought since the whole "black is beautiful" thing in the 60's that "people of color" rejected the idea that references to their skin color were derogatory anymore.  Pointing out that someone has skin of a particular hue is ony derogatory if you accept that anything not white is per se inferior, a contruct most minorities roundly rejected decades ago.


Farkin' A
 
2013-08-08 11:14:52 AM
www.chicagonow.com
Washington Spenders
 
2013-08-08 11:15:19 AM
"We feel that this change is entirely consistent with Slate's existing editorial policy, which is to ignore all kinds of facts if we don't like them."
 
2013-08-08 11:24:44 AM

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


Maybe not; also, don't care.

Fightin' Whities, Minnesota Crackers, Tampa Bay Ofay, San Diego Slants... go for it.
 
2013-08-08 11:24:51 AM
So I guess their new name will be Washington Reservation Dwellers?
 
2013-08-08 11:25:11 AM
Who reads Slate for sports news, anyway.

Rephrased:  Who reads Slate, anyway.

/in before the correctors.
 
2013-08-08 11:25:33 AM
Attn Fark Mods, I will no longer click on any link from Slate.com or participate in any thread related to a Slate.com link

heck this might be a fun game to play
 
2013-08-08 11:34:28 AM

Utter Genius: What's the ratio of blowhard journalists to actual Native Americans who take umbrage to the "Redskins" team name? 2000 to 1?


That's cause we done killed off the other 1999.
 
2013-08-08 11:34:29 AM

mccoma: There are quite a few Native Americans in the northern plain's tribes that were a lot of Redskins gear and would probably like a word with some folks at the Slate.  Check out any tribal golf tournament.


// son of one of them
// perhaps hippies should STFU, the rest of us can speak for ourselves
// a couple might like to take said Slate people hunting


There were also men of african decent who fought for the confederacy, I guess that makes slavery ok
 
2013-08-08 11:45:08 AM

bucket_pup: And yet another reason why I don't read Slate.

/// Redskins, Blueskins, Foreskins, two fish. Meh.


There's white (probably male?) privilege in a nutshell, there.
 
2013-08-08 11:45:43 AM

digitalrain: born_yesterday: We get to keep "Redskins", they get to keep "Western Sky Loans".

"Problem solver" my ass, unless you consider not being in debt for the rest of your life a "problem".

OMG I know. I saw one of their commercials yesterday. In the teeny tiny print at the bottom of the
screen it never mentions the interest amount but it does talk about payments. For a $10k loan,
some poor sap  would be looking at 80-something monthly payments of $700 and change.

80 x $700 = $56,000

HOLY FARK


But the best part? They LOWERED their rates. When I first saw their ads, they were charging 112% interest.
 
2013-08-08 11:46:02 AM

puckrock2000: I'm sure they'll do the same for the Notre Dame Cooperative Irish and Vancouver Northern-North Americans.

/or Washington can just update their logo
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Came here to post this. I like the cut of your jib. Well done.
 
2013-08-08 11:53:20 AM

Watubi: mccoma: There are quite a few Native Americans in the northern plain's tribes that were a lot of Redskins gear and would probably like a word with some folks at the Slate.  Check out any tribal golf tournament.


// son of one of them
// perhaps hippies should STFU, the rest of us can speak for ourselves
// a couple might like to take said Slate people hunting

There were also men of african decent who fought for the confederacy, I guess that makes slavery ok


Nice try at trolling, but comparing slavery to a mascot is kinda stretching 1/10.

90% are not offended - its the hippies at Slate that are offended.  It would be nice if the media would focus on actual problems and not this made up crap.
 
2013-08-08 11:54:57 AM
There are 24 teams in the NFL.

• They are all named after something that is strong, powerful, menacing and/or representative of the area (except the Arizona Cardinals, don't know WTF that's about).

• Redskins may be considered a derogatory term by some, but as applied to a football team, it is supposed to convey strength and dominance and/or be representative of the region.
 
2013-08-08 11:57:02 AM

Utter Genius: What's the ratio of blowhard journalists to actual Native Americans who take umbrage to the "Redskins" team name? 2000 to 1?


At least. It's kind of like when a bunch of "politically correct" white people got together and decided that "Indian" was derogatory and everyone should start calling them "Native Americans". You know who farking hates the term "Native American"? Native goddamn Americans. Go hang out on a reservation for a while (I happen to live close to a couple of them and go fishing there quite often). You won't find any of them saying Native American. As far as they're concerned they're Indians, and they're proud of it.

Oh, and good job Slate for focusing on an issue that bothers almost none of the people it's supposed to be offending. If you really want to focus on the plight of American Indians in this country, maybe you should send a reporter to the Pine Ridge reservation in Shannon County, South Dakota. It is (or was for a very long time - I think it recently got beat out by another reservation county) the poorest county in the nation. The unemployment rate is a constant 80%+. Crushing poverty, substance abuse and domestic violence are just a fact of life there. But no, let's focus on the name of a football team. That should sooth your conscience a bit and show the world how much you care about the plight of those poor "Native Americans".
 
2013-08-08 11:59:55 AM
Carth: The Muthaship: Hugo Zorilla: How about "Washington Wagonburners"?

I'd say Scalpers, but football already has those.

The
Useless Washington Bureaucrats

FTFY
 
2013-08-08 12:00:16 PM

mccoma: It would be nice if the media would focus on actual problems and not this made up crap.


The made up crap is supposed to distract from the real stuff going on....
 
2013-08-08 12:02:25 PM
How come there are no offended Vikings?
 
2013-08-08 12:02:29 PM

JungleBoogie: • There are 24 teams in the NFL.

• They are all named after something that is strong, powerful, menacing and/or representative of the area (except the Arizona Cardinals, don't know WTF that's about).

• Redskins may be considered a derogatory term by some, but as applied to a football team, it is supposed to convey strength and dominance and/or be representative of the region.


Well, 32, but point taken.

/afraid the mascot will be the only thing strong, powerful, and menacing about the Rams this year
 
2013-08-08 12:03:10 PM

mccoma: There are quite a few Native Americans in the northern plain's tribes that were a lot of Redskins gear and would probably like a word with some folks at the Slate.  Check out any tribal golf tournament.


// son of one of them
// perhaps hippies should STFU, the rest of us can speak for ourselves
// a couple might like to take said Slate people hunting


No one expects everyone in an ethnic group to agree, but I think you're disingenuously suggesting that *no* Native Americans have ever had a problem with the team name. Obviously, that is completely incorrect.
 
2013-08-08 12:05:40 PM

Snarfangel: Here is the proposed list of names.


Tomahonky   Native Americans    Normally refers to whites with a Native American heritage. Combo of tomahawk + honky

You win the intertubes today!
 /So, so very true!
//And funny.
 
2013-08-08 12:12:59 PM

Spanky McStupid: Carth: The Muthaship: Hugo Zorilla: How about "Washington Wagonburners"?

I'd say Scalpers, but football already has those.

The Useless Washington Bureaucrats

FTFY


We're talking about DC's football team right? That goes without saying.
 
2013-08-08 12:18:22 PM
Spanky McStupid:

Tomahonky   Native Americans    Normally refers to whites with a Native American heritage. Combo of tomahawk + honky

You win the intertubes today!
 /So, so very true!
//And funny.


This is an outrage!!!  I'm just relieved that college football teams don't permit these shenanigans!

/does the FSU "chop"
 
2013-08-08 12:24:38 PM

Wulfman: FTA:  "Changing how you talk changes how you think. The adoption of the term "African-American"-replacing "Negro" and "colored"-in the aftermath of the civil rights movement brought a welcome symmetry with Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans, groups defined by geographic origin rather than by race or color."


OK.  Can we go back to that, and stop with the term "person of color"?  Let me know when the colored community comes to a consensus on that so we can all be happy.


Actually the whole political correctness thing is stupid anyway.  Nowhere more so that adding "American" to your country of ancestral origin.  This is especially true with Arican-American.  Africa is not a country.  It's a continent.  So for all the others trying to adopt the same sort of convention, they should be called European-Americans.
And even that would not really make much sense.  Our ancestors came here to be Americans.  And so they are.

If people insist on being called what they are, "black" is not a derogatory term unless you make it one.  Amongst all the black folks I know, not a single one of them is offended by that term.

If any one term should have been put to rest a LONG time ago, it's referring to Native Americans as Indians.  That was one of the biggest blunders of the 15th century.  And for whatever reason it still stick today.

Which reminds me of a story...
One day, my entire office was on our way to a picnic at a coworker's house.  One of the guys coming is an Indian fella, who kinda got lost on the way.  When he finally got there, the owner of the house says, "I thought you Indians were supposed to be great trackers and awesome with directions."  "Uh, Phil, that's the wrong kind of Indian."
 
2013-08-08 12:31:07 PM

doubled99: How come there are no offended Vikings?


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2013-08-08 12:33:55 PM

pnome: Sure, when they named a professional football team that.


the guy who named the team did so specifically to make fun of native americans, whom he hated, because he was a huge klan member.

so the original point of naming the pro team redskins was to offend people
 
2013-08-08 12:34:41 PM
This is heap big news
 
2013-08-08 12:36:13 PM
There was a columnist for ESPN Page 2 back in the day (I just looked and it appears to be back), Tuesday Morning Quarterback, that objected to the name and preferred "Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons" after several iterations since the team has no facilities in Washington. Most appropriate rename imaginable, for my money.
 
2013-08-08 12:38:08 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net
/flame on
 
2013-08-08 12:38:16 PM
Do we have to hear this crapped every year? Just change the name to the Washington tomahawks or something and be done with it.
 
2013-08-08 01:04:14 PM

fireclown: ....
It's not quite dead.  For a crazy recent negative Irish stereotype that nobody seems to have noticed but me:
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Red hair, tons of kids, impoverished.  Rowling might as well have given them all potatoes.


Redskin potatoes?
 
2013-08-08 01:08:57 PM

Magorn: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

For as long as I have been alive, I have never heard the term used as anything but a reference to the team or a potato.


that is because you don't HAVE red skin.  I have personally been called "redskin" as a slur, along with "Hiawatha", "chief" and "injun"... And I'm only 1/8 at best.

People DO use it as a racial slur.  To me, a team being called the Redskins is the same as a team being called the Negroes or the Jigaboos.
 
2013-08-08 01:09:08 PM
When they decided to rename the Washington Bullets (admittedly a dumb name that traces back to when it was the alliterative Baltimore Bullets back in the 1960's) to something more indicative of the city of DC.    I entered "The Washington Drug Lords" in the contest.   It wasn't chosen.

When DC Lawyers Berl Bernhard and Ronald Natalie established the USFL francise in DC, I suggested the Washington Shysters.    They didn't take that one either.   I did point out to them that their team was second only to the Washington Generals as the greatest losing teams in sports.
 
2013-08-08 01:11:50 PM

JungleBoogie: • There are 24 teams in the NFL.

• They are all named after something that is strong, powerful, menacing and/or representative of the area (except the Arizona Cardinals, don't know WTF that's about).

• Redskins may be considered a derogatory term by some, but as applied to a football team, it is supposed to convey strength and dominance and/or be representative of the region.


By that logic, we should be just fine with a team called the Mandingos
 
2013-08-08 01:19:20 PM

Cynicism101: ou're disingenuously suggesting that *no* Native Americans h


Where did I say there was no disagreement?
 
2013-08-08 01:19:45 PM

tlchwi02: pnome: Sure, when they named a professional football team that.

the guy who named the team did so specifically to make fun of native americans, whom he hated, because he was a huge klan member.

so the original point of naming the pro team redskins was to offend people


except that's not true
Marshall WAS a racist, but he didn;t name the team.   They were originally the Boston Braves just like the Baseball team, and in both cases it was a reference to the folks who took part in the Boston Tea party who dressed up like indians, not actual native americans.

After the team moved to DC the "Braves" monkier was dropped to avoid confusion with the Boston baseball team,   the coach at the time was Nicknamed "Billy Redskin" because he was a native American (thanks to the Carlisle Indian School, Native Americans were heavily represented in the early NFL.  The team adopted the nickname of it's beloved coach and became the Washington Redskins in much the Same the Cleveland browns were named after their coach/owner Paul Brown
 
2013-08-08 01:25:01 PM

ZeroCorpse: Magorn: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

For as long as I have been alive, I have never heard the term used as anything but a reference to the team or a potato.

that is because you don't HAVE red skin.  I have personally been called "redskin" as a slur, along with "Hiawatha", "chief" and "injun"... And I'm only 1/8 at best.

People DO use it as a racial slur.  To me, a team being called the Redskins is the same as a team being called the Negroes or the Jigaboos.


Fair enough.   Like I said I figured at this point is was an archaic slur like "Wop" or "Mick",  I mean I don;t get pissed off at the Fighting Irish using a drunk, belligerent leprachaun as a mascot because In my lifetime being Irish has never been a negative thing.   In my expereince the same is true of being native American.  It;s rare enough where I've lived that it adds to someone's "cool factor" it isn;t something they get treated badly because of.  But if there are places where that term ist still being chucked around as an actual hurtful slur?  That could change my opinion on its aprropriateness.
 
2013-08-08 01:26:04 PM
The racist, archaic meaning no longer applies.  Redskins are just a football team now.
 
2013-08-08 01:26:54 PM

fireclown: AverageAmericanGuy: How about Bullets?

Maybe Wizards?
[moonreaderman.com image 150x150]
Pretty sure that's a real pic of Sen Byrd (Dem.  WVA) in his Klan robe.
/one lynchin' SOB.


wow you guys love to trot this one out
careful with this point its an antique.
 
2013-08-08 01:32:40 PM

ZeroCorpse: JungleBoogie: • There are 24 teams in the NFL.

• They are all named after something that is strong, powerful, menacing and/or representative of the area (except the Arizona Cardinals, don't know WTF that's about).

• Redskins may be considered a derogatory term by some, but as applied to a football team, it is supposed to convey strength and dominance and/or be representative of the region.

By that logic, we should be just fine with a team called the Mandingos


Whatever happened to the Manhattan Jaspers or the Point Pleasant Big Black (knights)
 
2013-08-08 02:07:47 PM

onzmadi: wow you guys love to trot this one out
careful with this point its an antique.


It's an oldie, but you GOT to admit it's a goodie.  Plus, in a thread about racism, DC, and the word Wizard, someone had to bring up former klan leadership member Robert Byrd.  I'm not saying republicans WOULDN'T keep voting for a former klansman for half a century, I'm just saying that democrats actually did.
 
2013-08-08 02:09:35 PM

ThereBeNoShelterHere: There was a columnist for ESPN Page 2 back in the day (I just looked and it appears to be back), Tuesday Morning Quarterback, that objected to the name and preferred "Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons" after several iterations since the team has no facilities in Washington. Most appropriate rename imaginable, for my money.


It's Gregg Easterbrook, and I'm pretty sure he first coined that phrase when he wrote TMQ at Slate.
 
2013-08-08 02:11:27 PM
After the team moved to DC the "Braves" monkier was dropped to avoid confusion with the Boston baseball team,   the coach at the time was Nicknamed "Billy Redskin" because he was a native American (thanks to the Carlisle Indian School, Native Americans were heavily represented in the early NFL.  The team adopted the nickname of it's beloved coach and became the Washington Redskins in much the Same the Cleveland browns were named after their coach/owner Paul Brown

And in 1913 the Redskins established their training camp at Carlisle as well, not coincidentally.   Mostly, they needed to get it out of the oppressive pre-airconditioning city of DC.
 
2013-08-08 02:42:47 PM

Riche: slashmonkey: Wasn't the idea to name sports teams after icons that inspire fear and respect; Wolverines, Pirates, Sidewinders, Chiefs, Redskins, Cowboys, Indians, Mavericks, etc?
The trouble with the new-age PC terms is that they just don't inspire. Can you imagine the Washington Indigenous People? The first few telecasts would be a laugh but as far as the NFL crowd goes you may as well call them the Washington Betas. I suppose they could pick something non-PC that doesn't reference a minority. How about the Washington Crackers? Nah .. better stick with animals.

Well, why don't we keep the practice but update the names?

Washington Crips/Bloods?

Washington Lobbyists?

Washington Nukes?

Washington Illegal undocumented immigrants?


This one.
 
2013-08-08 02:51:29 PM

ChipNASA: Congress is the new C-Word. Maybe if you type in "Congress", Drew can make the filter change it to something less offensive like COONTS.


hey there king shiat of fark island,
didn't you completely jack that from daily show?
 
2013-08-08 02:56:44 PM
Chief Zee does not approve of these shenanigans
nflredskins.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-08 02:57:00 PM

Snarfangel: Here is the proposed list of names.


Actually, "The Washington Featherheads" does have a nice ring to it...
 
2013-08-08 03:03:15 PM

mod3072: Utter Genius: What's the ratio of blowhard journalists to actual Native Americans who take umbrage to the "Redskins" team name? 2000 to 1?

At least. It's kind of like when a bunch of "politically correct" white people got together and decided that "Indian" was derogatory and everyone should start calling them "Native Americans". You know who farking hates the term "Native American"? Native goddamn Americans. Go hang out on a reservation for a while (I happen to live close to a couple of them and go fishing there quite often). You won't find any of them saying Native American. As far as they're concerned they're Indians, and they're proud of it.

Oh, and good job Slate for focusing on an issue that bothers almost none of the people it's supposed to be offending. If you really want to focus on the plight of American Indians in this country, maybe you should send a reporter to the Pine Ridge reservation in Shannon County, South Dakota. It is (or was for a very long time - I think it recently got beat out by another reservation county) the poorest county in the nation. The unemployment rate is a constant 80%+. Crushing poverty, substance abuse and domestic violence are just a fact of life there. But no, let's focus on the name of a football team. That should sooth your conscience a bit and show the world how much you care about the plight of those poor "Native Americans".


You sound offended.
 
2013-08-08 03:19:09 PM

Riche: slashmonkey: Wasn't the idea to name sports teams after icons that inspire fear and respect; Wolverines, Pirates, Sidewinders, Chiefs, Redskins, Cowboys, Indians, Mavericks, etc?
The trouble with the new-age PC terms is that they just don't inspire. Can you imagine the Washington Indigenous People? The first few telecasts would be a laugh but as far as the NFL crowd goes you may as well call them the Washington Betas. I suppose they could pick something non-PC that doesn't reference a minority. How about the Washington Crackers? Nah .. better stick with animals.

Well, why don't we keep the practice but update the names?

Washington Crips/Bloods?

Washington Lobbyists?

Washington Nukes?

Washington Illegal undocumented immigrants?



Washington Whores?

/ Too close?
 
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