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(Slate)   "Effective immediately, Slate will no longer refer to Washington's NFL team as the Redskins. Well, after this time; we had to mention the name so you knew what we were talking about. Redskins, you see, is a racist archaic term"   (slate.com) divider line 160
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2013-08-08 10:17:40 AM  

Raider_dad: A long time ago talking to an African American gal at work about people and color descriptions she couldn't figure out just what kind of color caucasian was suppose to be. "you all look kinda pink to me"

/perhaps lightish red


On the other hand, very few "black" people in the US actually look black.
 
2013-08-08 10:18:02 AM  

pnome: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

Sure, when they named a professional football team that.


If it bothers you, be a Cowboys fan; your butthurt attitude will fit right in
 
2013-08-08 10:18:15 AM  

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


My family was out in the sun too long, and boy did we have redskins.
 
2013-08-08 10:18:55 AM  

fireclown: AverageAmericanGuy: How about Bullets?

Maybe Wizards?

Pretty sure that's a real pic of Sen Byrd (Dem.  WVA) in his Klan robe.
/one lynchin' SOB.


Came to point that the Washington Wizards aren't fooling anyone.
 
2013-08-08 10:19:35 AM  
I'll bet the Slate editorial dildos don't know that indians call themselves indians.
 
2013-08-08 10:19:49 AM  

Hugo Zorilla: How about "Washington Wagonburners"?


I'd say Scalpers, but football already has those.
 
2013-08-08 10:19:51 AM  
For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

In this century, can you point to any time or place where this term is used when not referring to the football team?
 
2013-08-08 10:19:52 AM  

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


Can you tell me why it matters whether a football team's name is offensive to some people or not?
 
2013-08-08 10:20:36 AM  

The Muthaship: Hugo Zorilla: How about "Washington Wagonburners"?

I'd say Scalpers, but football already has those.


The Washington Bureaucrats
 
2013-08-08 10:21:02 AM  

born_yesterday: We get to keep "Redskins", they get to keep "Western Sky Loans".

"Problem solver" my ass, unless you consider not being in debt for the rest of your life a "problem".


OMG I know. I saw one of their commercials yesterday. In the teeny tiny print at the bottom of the
screen it never mentions the interest amount but it does talk about payments. For a $10k loan,
some poor sap  would be looking at 80-something monthly payments of $700 and change.

80 x $700 = $56,000

HOLY FARK
 
2013-08-08 10:21:06 AM  
Can they still call ticket resellers Scalpers at a Redskins game?
 
2013-08-08 10:21:19 AM  

born_yesterday: We get to keep "Redskins", they get to keep "Western Sky Loans".

"Problem solver" my ass, unless you consider not being in debt for the rest of your life a "problem".


Now the Sioux are even getting in on the revenge act.
That's so freaking cool.
 
2013-08-08 10:22:06 AM  

mccoma: There are quite a few Native Americans in the northern plain's tribes that were a lot of Redskins gear and would probably like a word with some folks at the Slate.  Check out any tribal golf tournament.


// son of one of them
// perhaps hippies should STFU, the rest of us can speak for ourselves
// a couple might like to take said Slate people hunting


The last poll I saw of native tribes showed 90% felt positive or neutral about native mascots while 9% felt negative. But that 9% is very vocal and they've got plenty of non-native allies.

/Numbers might be off by a point or two but it was around 10 to 1
//Cleveland's mascot however is pretty bad
 
2013-08-08 10:22:13 AM  

Wulfman: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


Sure:  "Had the Washington Redskins dreamed of a way to finish this remarkable season it would have included a composed, big-time effort from quarterback Mark Rypien and a defense that swarmed the Buffalo Bills from beginning to end. The Redskins got all of that and more and rolled over the Bills, 37-24, to win Super Bowl XXVI."

It wasn't used offensively in that news article.  Ta-da!


Ya got me.

I wasn't clear in stating derogatory towards Native Americans.

How very pedantic of you.
 
2013-08-08 10:23:26 AM  
i912.photobucket.com

If the Skins were a British club:
i912.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-08 10:24:55 AM  

IamTomJoad: How very pedantic of you.


To be fair, it's hard to find an instance of it being used in any way other than to identify/talk about a sports team in the last 100 years or so.

/I'm sure there's some 'the noble redskin'-type poetry/stories out there from back then, though....
 
2013-08-08 10:25:09 AM  

ArkPanda


I came up with "Washington Filibusters", with a pirate mascot. It doesn't really roll off the tongue though.


That's okay. The longer it takes to say it, the better it works.
 
2013-08-08 10:25:27 AM  

doubled99: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

In this century, can you point to any time or place where this term is used when not referring to the football team?


In fact, one could say that the Washington Redskins are a net POSITIVE by changing the language. The most common use is stomping down the older meaning, and the first thing people hear in their heads is the team.
 
2013-08-08 10:25:58 AM  
Washington Whiskey Lovers?

Washington Heathens?

How about Washington Doesn't Have Immunity To SmallPox's
 
2013-08-08 10:27:07 AM  

Carth: This seems like the journalistic equivalent of attention whoring.


Sir!  How dare you conflate journalistic principles and Slate.
 
2013-08-08 10:28:26 AM  
Washington Casino Owners?!?
 
2013-08-08 10:30:09 AM  
The Washington Expired Peanuts.

/Old Dan Snyder joke is old
//Won't give that "man" a cent
 
2013-08-08 10:30:38 AM  
Washington Wampum Weavers
 
2013-08-08 10:31:08 AM  
 "We'll start signing Negroes," Washington Redskins owner George Preston Marshall once quipped, "when the Harlem Globetrotters start signing whites."
In 1961, the Redskins were the only team in professional football without a black player. In fact, in the 25-year history of the franchise, no black had ever played for George Marshall. Sam Lacy, the gifted black sportswriter for the Baltimore Afro-American, called the Redskins football's "lone wolf in lily-whiteism." Their owner was "the one operator in the whole structure of major-league sports who has openly flouted his distaste for tan athletes."

http://espn.go.com/page2/wash/s/2002/0305/1346021.html

/And in the '61 season, the Redskins finished 1-12, and Jim Brown led the league in rushing (but he wasn't good enough to play for the Redskins).
//Let's hear it for the meritocracy!
 
2013-08-08 10:32:04 AM  
 
2013-08-08 10:32:53 AM  
FTFA
"For decades, American Indian activists and others have been asking, urging, and haranguing the Washington Redskins to ditch their nickname, calling it a racist slur and an insult to Indians."

Ok well, now that we know how the Indians feel about it, maybe someone should ask the Native Americans how they feel. Also, why would I care what the Indian opinion is on this matter? I thought they all cared about cricket and tennis more than american football.
 
2013-08-08 10:34:38 AM  

Grand PBUH: FTFA
"For decades, American Indian activists and others have been asking, urging, and haranguing the Washington Redskins to ditch their nickname, calling it a racist slur and an insult to Indians."

Ok well, now that we know how the Indians feel about it, maybe someone should ask the Native Americans how they feel. Also, why would I care what the Indian opinion is on this matter? I thought they all cared about cricket and tennis more than american football.


I was born in America. Does that make me a native american?
 
2013-08-08 10:35:04 AM  

Snarfangel: Here is the proposed list of names.


Come to think of it, "Washington Apples" would make sense.
 
2013-08-08 10:35:54 AM  

Giltric: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

What? Like Fighting Irish isn't derogatory?


They are fighting because they are drunk.......

some people are ok with certain racial stereotypes.


That's pretty recent.  In recent years the Irish have pretty well integrated into America and the Drunk Fightin' Irishman (and that leprechaun on the Notre Dame logo is totally drunk, just LOOK at him) idea has become kind of a fun thing.  Which is probably a good thing.  But it was really unfunny for a long time: people REALLY disliked the Irish in these parts for about a century.

It's not quite dead.  For a crazy recent negative Irish stereotype that nobody seems to have noticed but me:
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
Red hair, tons of kids, impoverished.  Rowling might as well have given them all potatoes.
 
2013-08-08 10:37:32 AM  
Washington Turtles. Here's their mascot:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-08 10:38:01 AM  
The Washington Heemanehs

/too obscure?
 
2013-08-08 10:38:23 AM  
This country needs to start 'manning up' and we all need thicker skins when it comes to stuff like this.
 
2013-08-08 10:39:20 AM  
I always get salon and slate mixed up. even now typing this and reading the headline I am not sure which it is. anyhow one of those two is ridiculously politically correct and annoying so i dont read it, and I am guessing it's the one in the headline which I will now guess and say that it its salon.
 
2013-08-08 10:39:33 AM  

fireclown: Giltric: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

What? Like Fighting Irish isn't derogatory?


They are fighting because they are drunk.......

some people are ok with certain racial stereotypes.

That's pretty recent.  In recent years the Irish have pretty well integrated into America and the Drunk Fightin' Irishman (and that leprechaun on the Notre Dame logo is totally drunk, just LOOK at him) idea has become kind of a fun thing.  Which is probably a good thing.  But it was really unfunny for a long time: people REALLY disliked the Irish in these parts for about a century.

It's not quite dead.  For a crazy recent negative Irish stereotype that nobody seems to have noticed but me:
[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 252x200]
Red hair, tons of kids, impoverished.  Rowling might as well have given them all potatoes.



The Weasleys weren't Irish.
 
2013-08-08 10:40:30 AM  

Giltric: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

What? Like Fighting Irish isn't derogatory?


They are fighting because they are drunk.......

some people are ok with certain racial stereotypes.


If Notre Dame jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?
 
2013-08-08 10:40:41 AM  

fireclown: Giltric: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

What? Like Fighting Irish isn't derogatory?


They are fighting because they are drunk.......

some people are ok with certain racial stereotypes.

That's pretty recent.  In recent years the Irish have pretty well integrated into America and the Drunk Fightin' Irishman (and that leprechaun on the Notre Dame logo is totally drunk, just LOOK at him) idea has become kind of a fun thing.  Which is probably a good thing.  But it was really unfunny for a long time: people REALLY disliked the Irish in these parts for about a century.

It's not quite dead.  For a crazy recent negative Irish stereotype that nobody seems to have noticed but me:
[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 252x200]
Red hair, tons of kids, impoverished.  Rowling might as well have given them all potatoes praties.


ftfy
 
2013-08-08 10:42:02 AM  
How about  Washington Scoundrels?

/How will Slate refer to the Redskins from now on? The NFL team from Washington D.C.?
 
2013-08-08 10:42:27 AM  
Wasn't the idea to name sports teams after icons that inspire fear and respect; Wolverines, Pirates, Sidewinders, Chiefs, Redskins, Cowboys, Indians, Mavericks, etc?
The trouble with the new-age PC terms is that they just don't inspire. Can you imagine the Washington Indigenous People? The first few telecasts would be a laugh but as far as the NFL crowd goes you may as well call them the Washington Betas. I suppose they could pick something non-PC that doesn't reference a minority. How about the Washington Crackers? Nah .. better stick with animals.
 
2013-08-08 10:45:31 AM  

slashmonkey


I suppose they could pick something non-PC that doesn't reference a minority. How about the Washington Crackers? Nah .. better stick with animals.


Washington Animal Crackers?


That's WAC.
 
2013-08-08 10:46:41 AM  
The Mongooses. The fighting Mongooses.
 
2013-08-08 10:51:06 AM  
So too the Seattle Times. They refer to them as the "Skins"
 
2013-08-08 10:53:13 AM  

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


"Go Redskins!" is offensive?

/maybe to me, but I'm a Cowboy fan.
 
2013-08-08 10:55:46 AM  
But that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!
 
2013-08-08 10:56:49 AM  
http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/Downloads/Political_Commun i cation/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf

91% of American Indians find the Redskins name to not be offensive while 9% do.

That said, the name will probably die with Snyder. Someone like Disney will buy the team when he croaks and use a name change as a marketing tie-in.
 
2013-08-08 11:01:10 AM  

Wulfman: FTA:  "Changing how you talk changes how you think. The adoption of the term "African-American"-replacing "Negro" and "colored"-in the aftermath of the civil rights movement brought a welcome symmetry with Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans, groups defined by geographic origin rather than by race or color."


OK.  Can we go back to that, and stop with the term "person of color"?  Let me know when the colored community comes to a consensus on that so we can all be happy.


Which is the point Slate and everyone else misses on this subject:

When was the last time you heard the word "Redskin " used when it wasn;t describing a potato or the Washington NFL franchise?   Out time of old-timey westerns has anyone now alive heard it used as a slur?   And while there is no doubt that the former 'Skins owner George Prescott marshall was a stone cold racist, he was prejudiced against BLACK people not native Americans.   The team's name comes from the nickname of one of its first head coaches, who was a full-blood native American.   Ironically enough, the ONLY two Native American head coaches ever to work in the NFL have worked for the Redskins (Jim Zorn being the second).


And frankly, who gets to decide if the name Redskin is acceptable or not?  It's not like "Native AMerican" is actually a thing anyway.   There really is no unifying racial or cultural commanilty between all the various tribes of inndigenous people that lived in the Pre-Columbian US, just various widely differing tribes.   It's a construct of white imperialism to lumpthem all together.    So when someone of the Navajo nation, for example files a lawsuit claiming the word offends them, why do they even have standing?   The local tribes in this area don't seem to a have a problem with it, and have even donated parts of the unoffical mascot, Chief Zee's regalia, so why does a tribe that has nothing in common with the kind of indian depicted on the helmet have the right to object?
 
2013-08-08 11:02:23 AM  

EngineerAU: http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/Downloads/Political_Commun i cation/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf

91% of American Indians find the Redskins name to not be offensive while 9% do.

That said, the name will probably die with Snyder. Someone like Disney will buy the team when he croaks and use a name change as a marketing tie-in.


Glad to see only 9% have reservations about the name.
 
2013-08-08 11:07:38 AM  

Fano: EngineerAU: http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/Downloads/Political_Commun i cation/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf

91% of American Indians find the Redskins name to not be offensive while 9% do.

That said, the name will probably die with Snyder. Someone like Disney will buy the team when he croaks and use a name change as a marketing tie-in.

Glad to see only 9% have reservations about the name.


How could you? How? How?
 
2013-08-08 11:07:39 AM  

IamTomJoad: Wulfman: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


Sure:  "Had the Washington Redskins dreamed of a way to finish this remarkable season it would have included a composed, big-time effort from quarterback Mark Rypien and a defense that swarmed the Buffalo Bills from beginning to end. The Redskins got all of that and more and rolled over the Bills, 37-24, to win Super Bowl XXVI."

It wasn't used offensively in that news article.  Ta-da!

Ya got me.

I wasn't clear in stating derogatory towards Native Americans.

How very pedantic of you.


Well, originally the term was used to described native American (a misnomer if there ever was one) warriors because they painted themselves with vermillion before battle and it made them look very scary.  Since back then EVERYONE pretty much was a racist (including the "locals") it's kind of hard to figure out whether that made the term especially, as opposed to generically, racist.  In any event, since the term has been used for over 80 years as the name of a football team, that probably qualifies it as a non-racist usage.  I recommend you read two books - "1492" and "1493".  Native Americans are no more "red" than I am (a Heinz-57 varieties European with a good amount of Genghis Kahn and Viking in him).  It's become quite popular to have Native American blood since the discovery of the casino.
 
2013-08-08 11:08:19 AM  

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


For as long as I have been alive, I have never heard the term used as anything but a reference to the team or a potato. Hell I didn't even associate it with "red Skin"  since it's been a compound word my whole life.   And I kinda thought since the whole "black is beautiful" thing in the 60's that "people of color" rejected the idea that references to their skin color were derogatory anymore.  Pointing out that someone has skin of a particular hue is ony derogatory if you accept that anything not white is per se inferior, a contruct most minorities roundly rejected decades ago.
 
2013-08-08 11:09:22 AM  

EngineerAU: http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/Downloads/Political_Commun i cation/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf

91% of American Indians find the Redskins name to not be offensive while 9% do.

That said, the name will probably die with Snyder. Someone like Disney will buy the team when he croaks and use a name change as a marketing tie-in.


The Washington Mickeys?

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