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(Slate)   "Effective immediately, Slate will no longer refer to Washington's NFL team as the Redskins. Well, after this time; we had to mention the name so you knew what we were talking about. Redskins, you see, is a racist archaic term"   (slate.com) divider line 160
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2013-08-08 09:45:15 AM
I think calling someone a "Senator" is far more derogatory.
 
2013-08-08 09:54:56 AM

syrynxx: I think calling someone a "Senator" is far more derogatory.


Hey now! There a children present.
 
2013-08-08 09:55:31 AM

Mangoose: a


are
 
2013-08-08 09:56:30 AM
I hope they sign Riley Cooper when he's inevitably released by Philly
 
2013-08-08 09:59:03 AM
Congress is the new C-Word. Maybe if you type in "Congress", Drew can make the filter change it to something less offensive like COONTS.
 
2013-08-08 09:59:29 AM
How about Bullets?
 
2013-08-08 09:59:54 AM
I bet Slate woulda called Ali Cassius Clay.
 
2013-08-08 10:00:28 AM
And yet another reason why I don't read Slate.

/// Redskins, Blueskins, Foreskins, two fish. Meh.
 
2013-08-08 10:00:29 AM
Oh for fark's sake.
 
2013-08-08 10:01:45 AM

bucket_pup: And yet another reason why I don't read Slate.

/// Redskins, Blueskins, Foreskins, two fish. Meh.


Darkies?
 
2013-08-08 10:01:59 AM
With the Native American hold on the casino gambling market in the US, perhaps we can call them the Washington Craps?
 
2013-08-08 10:02:01 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: How about Bullets?


Maybe Wizards?
moonreaderman.com
Pretty sure that's a real pic of Sen Byrd (Dem.  WVA) in his Klan robe.
/one lynchin' SOB.
 
2013-08-08 10:02:19 AM
You mean this is real and not a Prudence article?
 
2013-08-08 10:02:22 AM
FTA:  "Changing how you talk changes how you think. The adoption of the term "African-American"-replacing "Negro" and "colored"-in the aftermath of the civil rights movement brought a welcome symmetry with Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans, groups defined by geographic origin rather than by race or color."


OK.  Can we go back to that, and stop with the term "person of color"?  Let me know when the colored community comes to a consensus on that so we can all be happy.
 
2013-08-08 10:02:34 AM
I like how the article says "Slate is far from the first to take a stand against the nickname. We are joining...Gregg Easterbrook"

But Easterbrook was writing for Slate way back when he first mentioned the "Chesapeake Watershed Region Indiginous Persons"
 
2013-08-08 10:02:36 AM
The Washington Teabaggers.

/and no; no American Indian I know gives a flying shiat about any of this...
 
2013-08-08 10:02:48 AM
This is just political correctness gone mad.  The name of the team is the Washington Darkies, so suck it, libtards.

/Wait, Redskins.  What'd I say?
 
2013-08-08 10:03:05 AM
Searching their past coverage it seems like the only time they mentioned the redskins in the past was when they were a) complaining about the name or owner. b) making sporadic  season/payoff updates or c) a player did something stupid.

This seems like the journalistic equivalent of attention whoring. "We going to stop talking about something we rarely talked about! Now everyone say how progressive and tolerant we are"
 
2013-08-08 10:03:36 AM
Great.  Now where will we get all of our Washington Redskins news?
 
2013-08-08 10:03:46 AM
I will no longer refer to Slate as Slate.

It will be known from here on out as: fine-grained, foliated, homogeneous metamorphic rock derived from an original shale-type sedimentary rock composed of clay or volcanic ash through low-grade regional metamorphism.
 
2013-08-08 10:03:50 AM
For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?
 
2013-08-08 10:03:52 AM
What's the ratio of blowhard journalists to actual Native Americans who take umbrage to the "Redskins" team name? 2000 to 1?
 
2013-08-08 10:04:11 AM
How about "Washington Wagonburners"?
 
2013-08-08 10:04:16 AM
I was dating a Bostic, so I had to learn to care about millionaires wearing pads and bumping into each other.
I said 'was'
now, it's one more thing about which I don't have to give a shiat
 
2013-08-08 10:04:30 AM
Washington should change their mascot to a potato then their name wouldn't be a problem.
 
2013-08-08 10:04:41 AM

Carth: Searching their past coverage it seems like the only time they mentioned the redskins in the past was when they were a) complaining about the name or owner. b) making sporadic season/payoff updates or c) a player did something stupid.


What is there to say about a team that (I didn't actually look this up but I have strong suspicions) finished 6-10 for 15 years in a row?
 
2013-08-08 10:05:19 AM
I never got the whole "sports team name is derogatory."  Isn't it kind of an honor?
 
2013-08-08 10:05:24 AM

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


Sure, when they named a professional football team that.
 
2013-08-08 10:05:48 AM
Another Farker said it first....Redskins

www.springhillcommunityfarm.com
 
2013-08-08 10:07:09 AM
I'm sure they'll do the same for the Notre Dame Cooperative Irish and Vancouver Northern-North Americans.

/or Washington can just update their logo
buffalopost.net
 
2013-08-08 10:07:36 AM
So when will Slate stop sucking?
 
2013-08-08 10:08:02 AM
Perhaps they can get a licensing agreement with Port Chester University for use of the Whooping Crane name.

/Mmmmm.... Megan Ward
 
2013-08-08 10:08:05 AM

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?



Sure:  "Had the Washington Redskins dreamed of a way to finish this remarkable season it would have included a composed, big-time effort from quarterback Mark Rypien and a defense that swarmed the Buffalo Bills from beginning to end. The Redskins got all of that and more and rolled over the Bills, 37-24, to win Super Bowl XXVI."

It wasn't used offensively in that news article.  Ta-da!
 
2013-08-08 10:08:27 AM

Nana's Vibrator: With the Native American hold on the casino gambling market in the US, perhaps we can call them the Washington Craps?


Now that Maryland is allowing table games, this is even more appropriate.

/Maryland Live is pretty nice
//Can't wait for the ones in Balmer and National Harbor
 
2013-08-08 10:08:31 AM

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


TFA said that the Native Americans used it to describe themselves. I assume they weren't doing it offensively...

/What will Slate call the Braves?
 
2013-08-08 10:08:40 AM
I came up with "Washington Filibusters", with a pirate mascot.  It doesn't really roll off the tongue though.
 
2013-08-08 10:09:05 AM
Oh for Fark's sake...people need to quit being such spineless pussies. What next? No more articles
about redskin potatoes?

Political correctness is one of the worst damn things to infiltrate our society in decades. It makes idiots
think that they have the right to not be offended.

As a country, we used to have thicker skins than this. What the hell happened?
 
2013-08-08 10:10:14 AM
It's a term used exclusively for a football team from D.C. It is not used in any other way.
 
2013-08-08 10:10:29 AM

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


What? Like Fighting Irish isn't derogatory?


They are fighting because they are drunk.......

some people are ok with certain racial stereotypes.
 
2013-08-08 10:10:31 AM
A long time ago talking to an African American gal at work about people and color descriptions she couldn't figure out just what kind of color caucasian was suppose to be. "you all look kinda pink to me"

/perhaps lightish red
 
2013-08-08 10:10:41 AM
Ok, enough. Stop this goddamn political correctness bullshiat. It's gone too far. It's a farking FOOTBALL TEAM. They play a farking GAME for a living. Who gives a shiat what the fark they call their farking gay little gaggle of prancing, spandex-clad ball-handlers? If you don't like the name Redskins, don't support the team. One of two things will happen: they'll change the name because they're losing too many fans, or they don't lose fans which shows that approximately no one gives a good goddamn about the issue. Either way, problem farking solved.
 
2013-08-08 10:11:27 AM
It would be nice if we, as a people, could concentrate on the actual effects and use of real racism instead of the mere appearance and outer strata of it.

But then we might actually have to change instead of just appearing to.
 
2013-08-08 10:11:28 AM
I'm sure if Goodell wants to be a complete ass on this, any publication or outlet that refuses to refer to the Washington team by its team name would have its credentials revoked.

Even ESPN.

/popcorn
 
2013-08-08 10:12:06 AM

Giltric: I will no longer refer to Slate as Slate.

It will be known from here on out as: fine-grained, foliated, homogeneous metamorphic rock derived from an original shale-type sedimentary rock composed of clay or volcanic ash through low-grade regional metamorphism.


Me either. From now on, they will be known as Panty Wadding Journalistic HacksTM.
 
2013-08-08 10:13:09 AM

Raider_dad: A long time ago talking to an African American gal at work about people and color descriptions she couldn't figure out just what kind of color caucasian was suppose to be. "you all look kinda pink to me"

/perhaps lightish red


Actually white people are the real coloreds.

When they get mad they turn red, when they get cold they turn blue, when they lay out in the sun they turn brown......

Black people stay black, and very rarely change color.
 
2013-08-08 10:13:34 AM
Jay Leno: "The Washington Bullets are changing their name. They don't want their team to be associated with crime. From now on, they'll just be known as the Bullets."

/got nuthin' else
 
2013-08-08 10:14:07 AM
Henceforth, they will be known as the Washington Savages.
 
2013-08-08 10:14:29 AM
There are quite a few Native Americans in the northern plain's tribes that were a lot of Redskins gear and would probably like a word with some folks at the Slate.  Check out any tribal golf tournament.


// son of one of them
// perhaps hippies should STFU, the rest of us can speak for ourselves
// a couple might like to take said Slate people hunting
 
2013-08-08 10:16:27 AM
We get to keep "Redskins", they get to keep "Western Sky Loans".

"Problem solver" my ass, unless you consider not being in debt for the rest of your life a "problem".
 
2013-08-08 10:17:00 AM

Giltric: Black people stay black, and very rarely change color.


I have heard that some of them can go from ashy to classy.
 
2013-08-08 10:17:40 AM

Raider_dad: A long time ago talking to an African American gal at work about people and color descriptions she couldn't figure out just what kind of color caucasian was suppose to be. "you all look kinda pink to me"

/perhaps lightish red


On the other hand, very few "black" people in the US actually look black.
 
2013-08-08 10:18:02 AM

pnome: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

Sure, when they named a professional football team that.


If it bothers you, be a Cowboys fan; your butthurt attitude will fit right in
 
2013-08-08 10:18:15 AM

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


My family was out in the sun too long, and boy did we have redskins.
 
2013-08-08 10:18:55 AM

fireclown: AverageAmericanGuy: How about Bullets?

Maybe Wizards?

Pretty sure that's a real pic of Sen Byrd (Dem.  WVA) in his Klan robe.
/one lynchin' SOB.


Came to point that the Washington Wizards aren't fooling anyone.
 
2013-08-08 10:19:35 AM
I'll bet the Slate editorial dildos don't know that indians call themselves indians.
 
2013-08-08 10:19:49 AM

Hugo Zorilla: How about "Washington Wagonburners"?


I'd say Scalpers, but football already has those.
 
2013-08-08 10:19:51 AM
For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

In this century, can you point to any time or place where this term is used when not referring to the football team?
 
2013-08-08 10:19:52 AM

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


Can you tell me why it matters whether a football team's name is offensive to some people or not?
 
2013-08-08 10:20:36 AM

The Muthaship: Hugo Zorilla: How about "Washington Wagonburners"?

I'd say Scalpers, but football already has those.


The Washington Bureaucrats
 
2013-08-08 10:21:02 AM

born_yesterday: We get to keep "Redskins", they get to keep "Western Sky Loans".

"Problem solver" my ass, unless you consider not being in debt for the rest of your life a "problem".


OMG I know. I saw one of their commercials yesterday. In the teeny tiny print at the bottom of the
screen it never mentions the interest amount but it does talk about payments. For a $10k loan,
some poor sap  would be looking at 80-something monthly payments of $700 and change.

80 x $700 = $56,000

HOLY FARK
 
2013-08-08 10:21:06 AM
Can they still call ticket resellers Scalpers at a Redskins game?
 
2013-08-08 10:21:19 AM

born_yesterday: We get to keep "Redskins", they get to keep "Western Sky Loans".

"Problem solver" my ass, unless you consider not being in debt for the rest of your life a "problem".


Now the Sioux are even getting in on the revenge act.
That's so freaking cool.
 
2013-08-08 10:22:06 AM

mccoma: There are quite a few Native Americans in the northern plain's tribes that were a lot of Redskins gear and would probably like a word with some folks at the Slate.  Check out any tribal golf tournament.


// son of one of them
// perhaps hippies should STFU, the rest of us can speak for ourselves
// a couple might like to take said Slate people hunting


The last poll I saw of native tribes showed 90% felt positive or neutral about native mascots while 9% felt negative. But that 9% is very vocal and they've got plenty of non-native allies.

/Numbers might be off by a point or two but it was around 10 to 1
//Cleveland's mascot however is pretty bad
 
2013-08-08 10:22:13 AM

Wulfman: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


Sure:  "Had the Washington Redskins dreamed of a way to finish this remarkable season it would have included a composed, big-time effort from quarterback Mark Rypien and a defense that swarmed the Buffalo Bills from beginning to end. The Redskins got all of that and more and rolled over the Bills, 37-24, to win Super Bowl XXVI."

It wasn't used offensively in that news article.  Ta-da!


Ya got me.

I wasn't clear in stating derogatory towards Native Americans.

How very pedantic of you.
 
2013-08-08 10:23:26 AM
i912.photobucket.com

If the Skins were a British club:
i912.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-08 10:24:55 AM

IamTomJoad: How very pedantic of you.


To be fair, it's hard to find an instance of it being used in any way other than to identify/talk about a sports team in the last 100 years or so.

/I'm sure there's some 'the noble redskin'-type poetry/stories out there from back then, though....
 
2013-08-08 10:25:09 AM

ArkPanda


I came up with "Washington Filibusters", with a pirate mascot. It doesn't really roll off the tongue though.


That's okay. The longer it takes to say it, the better it works.
 
2013-08-08 10:25:27 AM

doubled99: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

In this century, can you point to any time or place where this term is used when not referring to the football team?


In fact, one could say that the Washington Redskins are a net POSITIVE by changing the language. The most common use is stomping down the older meaning, and the first thing people hear in their heads is the team.
 
2013-08-08 10:25:58 AM
Washington Whiskey Lovers?

Washington Heathens?

How about Washington Doesn't Have Immunity To SmallPox's
 
2013-08-08 10:27:07 AM

Carth: This seems like the journalistic equivalent of attention whoring.


Sir!  How dare you conflate journalistic principles and Slate.
 
2013-08-08 10:28:26 AM
Washington Casino Owners?!?
 
2013-08-08 10:30:09 AM
The Washington Expired Peanuts.

/Old Dan Snyder joke is old
//Won't give that "man" a cent
 
2013-08-08 10:30:38 AM
Washington Wampum Weavers
 
2013-08-08 10:31:08 AM
 "We'll start signing Negroes," Washington Redskins owner George Preston Marshall once quipped, "when the Harlem Globetrotters start signing whites."
In 1961, the Redskins were the only team in professional football without a black player. In fact, in the 25-year history of the franchise, no black had ever played for George Marshall. Sam Lacy, the gifted black sportswriter for the Baltimore Afro-American, called the Redskins football's "lone wolf in lily-whiteism." Their owner was "the one operator in the whole structure of major-league sports who has openly flouted his distaste for tan athletes."

http://espn.go.com/page2/wash/s/2002/0305/1346021.html

/And in the '61 season, the Redskins finished 1-12, and Jim Brown led the league in rushing (but he wasn't good enough to play for the Redskins).
//Let's hear it for the meritocracy!
 
2013-08-08 10:32:04 AM
 
2013-08-08 10:32:53 AM
FTFA
"For decades, American Indian activists and others have been asking, urging, and haranguing the Washington Redskins to ditch their nickname, calling it a racist slur and an insult to Indians."

Ok well, now that we know how the Indians feel about it, maybe someone should ask the Native Americans how they feel. Also, why would I care what the Indian opinion is on this matter? I thought they all cared about cricket and tennis more than american football.
 
2013-08-08 10:34:38 AM

Grand PBUH: FTFA
"For decades, American Indian activists and others have been asking, urging, and haranguing the Washington Redskins to ditch their nickname, calling it a racist slur and an insult to Indians."

Ok well, now that we know how the Indians feel about it, maybe someone should ask the Native Americans how they feel. Also, why would I care what the Indian opinion is on this matter? I thought they all cared about cricket and tennis more than american football.


I was born in America. Does that make me a native american?
 
2013-08-08 10:35:04 AM

Snarfangel: Here is the proposed list of names.


Come to think of it, "Washington Apples" would make sense.
 
2013-08-08 10:35:54 AM

Giltric: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

What? Like Fighting Irish isn't derogatory?


They are fighting because they are drunk.......

some people are ok with certain racial stereotypes.


That's pretty recent.  In recent years the Irish have pretty well integrated into America and the Drunk Fightin' Irishman (and that leprechaun on the Notre Dame logo is totally drunk, just LOOK at him) idea has become kind of a fun thing.  Which is probably a good thing.  But it was really unfunny for a long time: people REALLY disliked the Irish in these parts for about a century.

It's not quite dead.  For a crazy recent negative Irish stereotype that nobody seems to have noticed but me:
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
Red hair, tons of kids, impoverished.  Rowling might as well have given them all potatoes.
 
2013-08-08 10:37:32 AM
Washington Turtles. Here's their mascot:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-08 10:38:01 AM
The Washington Heemanehs

/too obscure?
 
2013-08-08 10:38:23 AM
This country needs to start 'manning up' and we all need thicker skins when it comes to stuff like this.
 
2013-08-08 10:39:20 AM
I always get salon and slate mixed up. even now typing this and reading the headline I am not sure which it is. anyhow one of those two is ridiculously politically correct and annoying so i dont read it, and I am guessing it's the one in the headline which I will now guess and say that it its salon.
 
2013-08-08 10:39:33 AM

fireclown: Giltric: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

What? Like Fighting Irish isn't derogatory?


They are fighting because they are drunk.......

some people are ok with certain racial stereotypes.

That's pretty recent.  In recent years the Irish have pretty well integrated into America and the Drunk Fightin' Irishman (and that leprechaun on the Notre Dame logo is totally drunk, just LOOK at him) idea has become kind of a fun thing.  Which is probably a good thing.  But it was really unfunny for a long time: people REALLY disliked the Irish in these parts for about a century.

It's not quite dead.  For a crazy recent negative Irish stereotype that nobody seems to have noticed but me:
[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 252x200]
Red hair, tons of kids, impoverished.  Rowling might as well have given them all potatoes.



The Weasleys weren't Irish.
 
2013-08-08 10:40:30 AM

Giltric: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

What? Like Fighting Irish isn't derogatory?


They are fighting because they are drunk.......

some people are ok with certain racial stereotypes.


If Notre Dame jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?
 
2013-08-08 10:40:41 AM

fireclown: Giltric: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

What? Like Fighting Irish isn't derogatory?


They are fighting because they are drunk.......

some people are ok with certain racial stereotypes.

That's pretty recent.  In recent years the Irish have pretty well integrated into America and the Drunk Fightin' Irishman (and that leprechaun on the Notre Dame logo is totally drunk, just LOOK at him) idea has become kind of a fun thing.  Which is probably a good thing.  But it was really unfunny for a long time: people REALLY disliked the Irish in these parts for about a century.

It's not quite dead.  For a crazy recent negative Irish stereotype that nobody seems to have noticed but me:
[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 252x200]
Red hair, tons of kids, impoverished.  Rowling might as well have given them all potatoes praties.


ftfy
 
2013-08-08 10:42:02 AM
How about  Washington Scoundrels?

/How will Slate refer to the Redskins from now on? The NFL team from Washington D.C.?
 
2013-08-08 10:42:27 AM
Wasn't the idea to name sports teams after icons that inspire fear and respect; Wolverines, Pirates, Sidewinders, Chiefs, Redskins, Cowboys, Indians, Mavericks, etc?
The trouble with the new-age PC terms is that they just don't inspire. Can you imagine the Washington Indigenous People? The first few telecasts would be a laugh but as far as the NFL crowd goes you may as well call them the Washington Betas. I suppose they could pick something non-PC that doesn't reference a minority. How about the Washington Crackers? Nah .. better stick with animals.
 
2013-08-08 10:45:31 AM

slashmonkey


I suppose they could pick something non-PC that doesn't reference a minority. How about the Washington Crackers? Nah .. better stick with animals.


Washington Animal Crackers?


That's WAC.
 
2013-08-08 10:46:41 AM
The Mongooses. The fighting Mongooses.
 
2013-08-08 10:51:06 AM
So too the Seattle Times. They refer to them as the "Skins"
 
2013-08-08 10:53:13 AM

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


"Go Redskins!" is offensive?

/maybe to me, but I'm a Cowboy fan.
 
2013-08-08 10:55:46 AM
But that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!
 
2013-08-08 10:56:49 AM
http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/Downloads/Political_Commun i cation/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf

91% of American Indians find the Redskins name to not be offensive while 9% do.

That said, the name will probably die with Snyder. Someone like Disney will buy the team when he croaks and use a name change as a marketing tie-in.
 
2013-08-08 11:01:10 AM

Wulfman: FTA:  "Changing how you talk changes how you think. The adoption of the term "African-American"-replacing "Negro" and "colored"-in the aftermath of the civil rights movement brought a welcome symmetry with Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans, groups defined by geographic origin rather than by race or color."


OK.  Can we go back to that, and stop with the term "person of color"?  Let me know when the colored community comes to a consensus on that so we can all be happy.


Which is the point Slate and everyone else misses on this subject:

When was the last time you heard the word "Redskin " used when it wasn;t describing a potato or the Washington NFL franchise?   Out time of old-timey westerns has anyone now alive heard it used as a slur?   And while there is no doubt that the former 'Skins owner George Prescott marshall was a stone cold racist, he was prejudiced against BLACK people not native Americans.   The team's name comes from the nickname of one of its first head coaches, who was a full-blood native American.   Ironically enough, the ONLY two Native American head coaches ever to work in the NFL have worked for the Redskins (Jim Zorn being the second).


And frankly, who gets to decide if the name Redskin is acceptable or not?  It's not like "Native AMerican" is actually a thing anyway.   There really is no unifying racial or cultural commanilty between all the various tribes of inndigenous people that lived in the Pre-Columbian US, just various widely differing tribes.   It's a construct of white imperialism to lumpthem all together.    So when someone of the Navajo nation, for example files a lawsuit claiming the word offends them, why do they even have standing?   The local tribes in this area don't seem to a have a problem with it, and have even donated parts of the unoffical mascot, Chief Zee's regalia, so why does a tribe that has nothing in common with the kind of indian depicted on the helmet have the right to object?
 
2013-08-08 11:02:23 AM

EngineerAU: http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/Downloads/Political_Commun i cation/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf

91% of American Indians find the Redskins name to not be offensive while 9% do.

That said, the name will probably die with Snyder. Someone like Disney will buy the team when he croaks and use a name change as a marketing tie-in.


Glad to see only 9% have reservations about the name.
 
2013-08-08 11:07:38 AM

Fano: EngineerAU: http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/Downloads/Political_Commun i cation/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf

91% of American Indians find the Redskins name to not be offensive while 9% do.

That said, the name will probably die with Snyder. Someone like Disney will buy the team when he croaks and use a name change as a marketing tie-in.

Glad to see only 9% have reservations about the name.


How could you? How? How?
 
2013-08-08 11:07:39 AM

IamTomJoad: Wulfman: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


Sure:  "Had the Washington Redskins dreamed of a way to finish this remarkable season it would have included a composed, big-time effort from quarterback Mark Rypien and a defense that swarmed the Buffalo Bills from beginning to end. The Redskins got all of that and more and rolled over the Bills, 37-24, to win Super Bowl XXVI."

It wasn't used offensively in that news article.  Ta-da!

Ya got me.

I wasn't clear in stating derogatory towards Native Americans.

How very pedantic of you.


Well, originally the term was used to described native American (a misnomer if there ever was one) warriors because they painted themselves with vermillion before battle and it made them look very scary.  Since back then EVERYONE pretty much was a racist (including the "locals") it's kind of hard to figure out whether that made the term especially, as opposed to generically, racist.  In any event, since the term has been used for over 80 years as the name of a football team, that probably qualifies it as a non-racist usage.  I recommend you read two books - "1492" and "1493".  Native Americans are no more "red" than I am (a Heinz-57 varieties European with a good amount of Genghis Kahn and Viking in him).  It's become quite popular to have Native American blood since the discovery of the casino.
 
2013-08-08 11:08:19 AM

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


For as long as I have been alive, I have never heard the term used as anything but a reference to the team or a potato. Hell I didn't even associate it with "red Skin"  since it's been a compound word my whole life.   And I kinda thought since the whole "black is beautiful" thing in the 60's that "people of color" rejected the idea that references to their skin color were derogatory anymore.  Pointing out that someone has skin of a particular hue is ony derogatory if you accept that anything not white is per se inferior, a contruct most minorities roundly rejected decades ago.
 
2013-08-08 11:09:22 AM

EngineerAU: http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/Downloads/Political_Commun i cation/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf

91% of American Indians find the Redskins name to not be offensive while 9% do.

That said, the name will probably die with Snyder. Someone like Disney will buy the team when he croaks and use a name change as a marketing tie-in.


The Washington Mickeys?

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-08-08 11:12:06 AM

slashmonkey: Wasn't the idea to name sports teams after icons that inspire fear and respect; Wolverines, Pirates, Sidewinders, Chiefs, Redskins, Cowboys, Indians, Mavericks, etc?
The trouble with the new-age PC terms is that they just don't inspire. Can you imagine the Washington Indigenous People? The first few telecasts would be a laugh but as far as the NFL crowd goes you may as well call them the Washington Betas. I suppose they could pick something non-PC that doesn't reference a minority. How about the Washington Crackers? Nah .. better stick with animals.


Well, why don't we keep the practice but update the names?

Washington Crips/Bloods?

Washington Lobbyists?

Washington Nukes?

Washington Illegal undocumented immigrants?
 
2013-08-08 11:12:28 AM
For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

For as long as I have been alive, I have never heard the term used as anything but a reference to the team or a potato. Hell I didn't even associate it with "red Skin"  since it's been a compound word my whole life.   And I kinda thought since the whole "black is beautiful" thing in the 60's that "people of color" rejected the idea that references to their skin color were derogatory anymore.  Pointing out that someone has skin of a particular hue is ony derogatory if you accept that anything not white is per se inferior, a contruct most minorities roundly rejected decades ago.


Farkin' A
 
2013-08-08 11:14:52 AM
www.chicagonow.com
Washington Spenders
 
2013-08-08 11:15:19 AM
"We feel that this change is entirely consistent with Slate's existing editorial policy, which is to ignore all kinds of facts if we don't like them."
 
2013-08-08 11:24:44 AM

IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?


Maybe not; also, don't care.

Fightin' Whities, Minnesota Crackers, Tampa Bay Ofay, San Diego Slants... go for it.
 
2013-08-08 11:24:51 AM
So I guess their new name will be Washington Reservation Dwellers?
 
2013-08-08 11:25:11 AM
Who reads Slate for sports news, anyway.

Rephrased:  Who reads Slate, anyway.

/in before the correctors.
 
2013-08-08 11:25:33 AM
Attn Fark Mods, I will no longer click on any link from Slate.com or participate in any thread related to a Slate.com link

heck this might be a fun game to play
 
2013-08-08 11:34:28 AM

Utter Genius: What's the ratio of blowhard journalists to actual Native Americans who take umbrage to the "Redskins" team name? 2000 to 1?


That's cause we done killed off the other 1999.
 
2013-08-08 11:34:29 AM

mccoma: There are quite a few Native Americans in the northern plain's tribes that were a lot of Redskins gear and would probably like a word with some folks at the Slate.  Check out any tribal golf tournament.


// son of one of them
// perhaps hippies should STFU, the rest of us can speak for ourselves
// a couple might like to take said Slate people hunting


There were also men of african decent who fought for the confederacy, I guess that makes slavery ok
 
2013-08-08 11:45:08 AM

bucket_pup: And yet another reason why I don't read Slate.

/// Redskins, Blueskins, Foreskins, two fish. Meh.


There's white (probably male?) privilege in a nutshell, there.
 
2013-08-08 11:45:43 AM

digitalrain: born_yesterday: We get to keep "Redskins", they get to keep "Western Sky Loans".

"Problem solver" my ass, unless you consider not being in debt for the rest of your life a "problem".

OMG I know. I saw one of their commercials yesterday. In the teeny tiny print at the bottom of the
screen it never mentions the interest amount but it does talk about payments. For a $10k loan,
some poor sap  would be looking at 80-something monthly payments of $700 and change.

80 x $700 = $56,000

HOLY FARK


But the best part? They LOWERED their rates. When I first saw their ads, they were charging 112% interest.
 
2013-08-08 11:46:02 AM

puckrock2000: I'm sure they'll do the same for the Notre Dame Cooperative Irish and Vancouver Northern-North Americans.

/or Washington can just update their logo
[buffalopost.net image 400x269]


Came here to post this. I like the cut of your jib. Well done.
 
2013-08-08 11:53:20 AM

Watubi: mccoma: There are quite a few Native Americans in the northern plain's tribes that were a lot of Redskins gear and would probably like a word with some folks at the Slate.  Check out any tribal golf tournament.


// son of one of them
// perhaps hippies should STFU, the rest of us can speak for ourselves
// a couple might like to take said Slate people hunting

There were also men of african decent who fought for the confederacy, I guess that makes slavery ok


Nice try at trolling, but comparing slavery to a mascot is kinda stretching 1/10.

90% are not offended - its the hippies at Slate that are offended.  It would be nice if the media would focus on actual problems and not this made up crap.
 
2013-08-08 11:54:57 AM
There are 24 teams in the NFL.

• They are all named after something that is strong, powerful, menacing and/or representative of the area (except the Arizona Cardinals, don't know WTF that's about).

• Redskins may be considered a derogatory term by some, but as applied to a football team, it is supposed to convey strength and dominance and/or be representative of the region.
 
2013-08-08 11:57:02 AM

Utter Genius: What's the ratio of blowhard journalists to actual Native Americans who take umbrage to the "Redskins" team name? 2000 to 1?


At least. It's kind of like when a bunch of "politically correct" white people got together and decided that "Indian" was derogatory and everyone should start calling them "Native Americans". You know who farking hates the term "Native American"? Native goddamn Americans. Go hang out on a reservation for a while (I happen to live close to a couple of them and go fishing there quite often). You won't find any of them saying Native American. As far as they're concerned they're Indians, and they're proud of it.

Oh, and good job Slate for focusing on an issue that bothers almost none of the people it's supposed to be offending. If you really want to focus on the plight of American Indians in this country, maybe you should send a reporter to the Pine Ridge reservation in Shannon County, South Dakota. It is (or was for a very long time - I think it recently got beat out by another reservation county) the poorest county in the nation. The unemployment rate is a constant 80%+. Crushing poverty, substance abuse and domestic violence are just a fact of life there. But no, let's focus on the name of a football team. That should sooth your conscience a bit and show the world how much you care about the plight of those poor "Native Americans".
 
2013-08-08 11:59:55 AM
Carth: The Muthaship: Hugo Zorilla: How about "Washington Wagonburners"?

I'd say Scalpers, but football already has those.

The
Useless Washington Bureaucrats

FTFY
 
2013-08-08 12:00:16 PM

mccoma: It would be nice if the media would focus on actual problems and not this made up crap.


The made up crap is supposed to distract from the real stuff going on....
 
2013-08-08 12:02:25 PM
How come there are no offended Vikings?
 
2013-08-08 12:02:29 PM

JungleBoogie: • There are 24 teams in the NFL.

• They are all named after something that is strong, powerful, menacing and/or representative of the area (except the Arizona Cardinals, don't know WTF that's about).

• Redskins may be considered a derogatory term by some, but as applied to a football team, it is supposed to convey strength and dominance and/or be representative of the region.


Well, 32, but point taken.

/afraid the mascot will be the only thing strong, powerful, and menacing about the Rams this year
 
2013-08-08 12:03:10 PM

mccoma: There are quite a few Native Americans in the northern plain's tribes that were a lot of Redskins gear and would probably like a word with some folks at the Slate.  Check out any tribal golf tournament.


// son of one of them
// perhaps hippies should STFU, the rest of us can speak for ourselves
// a couple might like to take said Slate people hunting


No one expects everyone in an ethnic group to agree, but I think you're disingenuously suggesting that *no* Native Americans have ever had a problem with the team name. Obviously, that is completely incorrect.
 
2013-08-08 12:05:40 PM

Snarfangel: Here is the proposed list of names.


Tomahonky   Native Americans    Normally refers to whites with a Native American heritage. Combo of tomahawk + honky

You win the intertubes today!
 /So, so very true!
//And funny.
 
2013-08-08 12:12:59 PM

Spanky McStupid: Carth: The Muthaship: Hugo Zorilla: How about "Washington Wagonburners"?

I'd say Scalpers, but football already has those.

The Useless Washington Bureaucrats

FTFY


We're talking about DC's football team right? That goes without saying.
 
2013-08-08 12:18:22 PM
Spanky McStupid:

Tomahonky   Native Americans    Normally refers to whites with a Native American heritage. Combo of tomahawk + honky

You win the intertubes today!
 /So, so very true!
//And funny.


This is an outrage!!!  I'm just relieved that college football teams don't permit these shenanigans!

/does the FSU "chop"
 
2013-08-08 12:24:38 PM

Wulfman: FTA:  "Changing how you talk changes how you think. The adoption of the term "African-American"-replacing "Negro" and "colored"-in the aftermath of the civil rights movement brought a welcome symmetry with Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans, groups defined by geographic origin rather than by race or color."


OK.  Can we go back to that, and stop with the term "person of color"?  Let me know when the colored community comes to a consensus on that so we can all be happy.


Actually the whole political correctness thing is stupid anyway.  Nowhere more so that adding "American" to your country of ancestral origin.  This is especially true with Arican-American.  Africa is not a country.  It's a continent.  So for all the others trying to adopt the same sort of convention, they should be called European-Americans.
And even that would not really make much sense.  Our ancestors came here to be Americans.  And so they are.

If people insist on being called what they are, "black" is not a derogatory term unless you make it one.  Amongst all the black folks I know, not a single one of them is offended by that term.

If any one term should have been put to rest a LONG time ago, it's referring to Native Americans as Indians.  That was one of the biggest blunders of the 15th century.  And for whatever reason it still stick today.

Which reminds me of a story...
One day, my entire office was on our way to a picnic at a coworker's house.  One of the guys coming is an Indian fella, who kinda got lost on the way.  When he finally got there, the owner of the house says, "I thought you Indians were supposed to be great trackers and awesome with directions."  "Uh, Phil, that's the wrong kind of Indian."
 
2013-08-08 12:31:07 PM

doubled99: How come there are no offended Vikings?


si0.twimg.com
 
2013-08-08 12:33:55 PM

pnome: Sure, when they named a professional football team that.


the guy who named the team did so specifically to make fun of native americans, whom he hated, because he was a huge klan member.

so the original point of naming the pro team redskins was to offend people
 
2013-08-08 12:34:41 PM
This is heap big news
 
2013-08-08 12:36:13 PM
There was a columnist for ESPN Page 2 back in the day (I just looked and it appears to be back), Tuesday Morning Quarterback, that objected to the name and preferred "Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons" after several iterations since the team has no facilities in Washington. Most appropriate rename imaginable, for my money.
 
2013-08-08 12:38:08 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net
/flame on
 
2013-08-08 12:38:16 PM
Do we have to hear this crapped every year? Just change the name to the Washington tomahawks or something and be done with it.
 
2013-08-08 01:04:14 PM

fireclown: ....
It's not quite dead.  For a crazy recent negative Irish stereotype that nobody seems to have noticed but me:
[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 252x200]
Red hair, tons of kids, impoverished.  Rowling might as well have given them all potatoes.


Redskin potatoes?
 
2013-08-08 01:08:57 PM

Magorn: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

For as long as I have been alive, I have never heard the term used as anything but a reference to the team or a potato.


that is because you don't HAVE red skin.  I have personally been called "redskin" as a slur, along with "Hiawatha", "chief" and "injun"... And I'm only 1/8 at best.

People DO use it as a racial slur.  To me, a team being called the Redskins is the same as a team being called the Negroes or the Jigaboos.
 
2013-08-08 01:09:08 PM
When they decided to rename the Washington Bullets (admittedly a dumb name that traces back to when it was the alliterative Baltimore Bullets back in the 1960's) to something more indicative of the city of DC.    I entered "The Washington Drug Lords" in the contest.   It wasn't chosen.

When DC Lawyers Berl Bernhard and Ronald Natalie established the USFL francise in DC, I suggested the Washington Shysters.    They didn't take that one either.   I did point out to them that their team was second only to the Washington Generals as the greatest losing teams in sports.
 
2013-08-08 01:11:50 PM

JungleBoogie: • There are 24 teams in the NFL.

• They are all named after something that is strong, powerful, menacing and/or representative of the area (except the Arizona Cardinals, don't know WTF that's about).

• Redskins may be considered a derogatory term by some, but as applied to a football team, it is supposed to convey strength and dominance and/or be representative of the region.


By that logic, we should be just fine with a team called the Mandingos
 
2013-08-08 01:19:20 PM

Cynicism101: ou're disingenuously suggesting that *no* Native Americans h


Where did I say there was no disagreement?
 
2013-08-08 01:19:45 PM

tlchwi02: pnome: Sure, when they named a professional football team that.

the guy who named the team did so specifically to make fun of native americans, whom he hated, because he was a huge klan member.

so the original point of naming the pro team redskins was to offend people


except that's not true
Marshall WAS a racist, but he didn;t name the team.   They were originally the Boston Braves just like the Baseball team, and in both cases it was a reference to the folks who took part in the Boston Tea party who dressed up like indians, not actual native americans.

After the team moved to DC the "Braves" monkier was dropped to avoid confusion with the Boston baseball team,   the coach at the time was Nicknamed "Billy Redskin" because he was a native American (thanks to the Carlisle Indian School, Native Americans were heavily represented in the early NFL.  The team adopted the nickname of it's beloved coach and became the Washington Redskins in much the Same the Cleveland browns were named after their coach/owner Paul Brown
 
2013-08-08 01:25:01 PM

ZeroCorpse: Magorn: IamTomJoad: For all the folks that see no problem with a team called the Redskins can you point to any time or place where the term was used in a non-offensive way?

For as long as I have been alive, I have never heard the term used as anything but a reference to the team or a potato.

that is because you don't HAVE red skin.  I have personally been called "redskin" as a slur, along with "Hiawatha", "chief" and "injun"... And I'm only 1/8 at best.

People DO use it as a racial slur.  To me, a team being called the Redskins is the same as a team being called the Negroes or the Jigaboos.


Fair enough.   Like I said I figured at this point is was an archaic slur like "Wop" or "Mick",  I mean I don;t get pissed off at the Fighting Irish using a drunk, belligerent leprachaun as a mascot because In my lifetime being Irish has never been a negative thing.   In my expereince the same is true of being native American.  It;s rare enough where I've lived that it adds to someone's "cool factor" it isn;t something they get treated badly because of.  But if there are places where that term ist still being chucked around as an actual hurtful slur?  That could change my opinion on its aprropriateness.
 
2013-08-08 01:26:04 PM
The racist, archaic meaning no longer applies.  Redskins are just a football team now.
 
2013-08-08 01:26:54 PM

fireclown: AverageAmericanGuy: How about Bullets?

Maybe Wizards?
[moonreaderman.com image 150x150]
Pretty sure that's a real pic of Sen Byrd (Dem.  WVA) in his Klan robe.
/one lynchin' SOB.


wow you guys love to trot this one out
careful with this point its an antique.
 
2013-08-08 01:32:40 PM

ZeroCorpse: JungleBoogie: • There are 24 teams in the NFL.

• They are all named after something that is strong, powerful, menacing and/or representative of the area (except the Arizona Cardinals, don't know WTF that's about).

• Redskins may be considered a derogatory term by some, but as applied to a football team, it is supposed to convey strength and dominance and/or be representative of the region.

By that logic, we should be just fine with a team called the Mandingos


Whatever happened to the Manhattan Jaspers or the Point Pleasant Big Black (knights)
 
2013-08-08 02:07:47 PM

onzmadi: wow you guys love to trot this one out
careful with this point its an antique.


It's an oldie, but you GOT to admit it's a goodie.  Plus, in a thread about racism, DC, and the word Wizard, someone had to bring up former klan leadership member Robert Byrd.  I'm not saying republicans WOULDN'T keep voting for a former klansman for half a century, I'm just saying that democrats actually did.
 
2013-08-08 02:09:35 PM

ThereBeNoShelterHere: There was a columnist for ESPN Page 2 back in the day (I just looked and it appears to be back), Tuesday Morning Quarterback, that objected to the name and preferred "Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons" after several iterations since the team has no facilities in Washington. Most appropriate rename imaginable, for my money.


It's Gregg Easterbrook, and I'm pretty sure he first coined that phrase when he wrote TMQ at Slate.
 
2013-08-08 02:11:27 PM
After the team moved to DC the "Braves" monkier was dropped to avoid confusion with the Boston baseball team,   the coach at the time was Nicknamed "Billy Redskin" because he was a native American (thanks to the Carlisle Indian School, Native Americans were heavily represented in the early NFL.  The team adopted the nickname of it's beloved coach and became the Washington Redskins in much the Same the Cleveland browns were named after their coach/owner Paul Brown

And in 1913 the Redskins established their training camp at Carlisle as well, not coincidentally.   Mostly, they needed to get it out of the oppressive pre-airconditioning city of DC.
 
2013-08-08 02:42:47 PM

Riche: slashmonkey: Wasn't the idea to name sports teams after icons that inspire fear and respect; Wolverines, Pirates, Sidewinders, Chiefs, Redskins, Cowboys, Indians, Mavericks, etc?
The trouble with the new-age PC terms is that they just don't inspire. Can you imagine the Washington Indigenous People? The first few telecasts would be a laugh but as far as the NFL crowd goes you may as well call them the Washington Betas. I suppose they could pick something non-PC that doesn't reference a minority. How about the Washington Crackers? Nah .. better stick with animals.

Well, why don't we keep the practice but update the names?

Washington Crips/Bloods?

Washington Lobbyists?

Washington Nukes?

Washington Illegal undocumented immigrants?


This one.
 
2013-08-08 02:51:29 PM

ChipNASA: Congress is the new C-Word. Maybe if you type in "Congress", Drew can make the filter change it to something less offensive like COONTS.


hey there king shiat of fark island,
didn't you completely jack that from daily show?
 
2013-08-08 02:56:44 PM
Chief Zee does not approve of these shenanigans
nflredskins.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-08 02:57:00 PM

Snarfangel: Here is the proposed list of names.


Actually, "The Washington Featherheads" does have a nice ring to it...
 
2013-08-08 03:03:15 PM

mod3072: Utter Genius: What's the ratio of blowhard journalists to actual Native Americans who take umbrage to the "Redskins" team name? 2000 to 1?

At least. It's kind of like when a bunch of "politically correct" white people got together and decided that "Indian" was derogatory and everyone should start calling them "Native Americans". You know who farking hates the term "Native American"? Native goddamn Americans. Go hang out on a reservation for a while (I happen to live close to a couple of them and go fishing there quite often). You won't find any of them saying Native American. As far as they're concerned they're Indians, and they're proud of it.

Oh, and good job Slate for focusing on an issue that bothers almost none of the people it's supposed to be offending. If you really want to focus on the plight of American Indians in this country, maybe you should send a reporter to the Pine Ridge reservation in Shannon County, South Dakota. It is (or was for a very long time - I think it recently got beat out by another reservation county) the poorest county in the nation. The unemployment rate is a constant 80%+. Crushing poverty, substance abuse and domestic violence are just a fact of life there. But no, let's focus on the name of a football team. That should sooth your conscience a bit and show the world how much you care about the plight of those poor "Native Americans".


You sound offended.
 
2013-08-08 03:19:09 PM

Riche: slashmonkey: Wasn't the idea to name sports teams after icons that inspire fear and respect; Wolverines, Pirates, Sidewinders, Chiefs, Redskins, Cowboys, Indians, Mavericks, etc?
The trouble with the new-age PC terms is that they just don't inspire. Can you imagine the Washington Indigenous People? The first few telecasts would be a laugh but as far as the NFL crowd goes you may as well call them the Washington Betas. I suppose they could pick something non-PC that doesn't reference a minority. How about the Washington Crackers? Nah .. better stick with animals.

Well, why don't we keep the practice but update the names?

Washington Crips/Bloods?

Washington Lobbyists?

Washington Nukes?

Washington Illegal undocumented immigrants?



Washington Whores?

/ Too close?
 
2013-08-08 03:53:36 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: Chief Zee does not approve of these shenanigans
[nflredskins.files.wordpress.com image 512x355]


I see you let your Negros wander free up north...
 
2013-08-08 04:13:32 PM

JungleBoogie: • There are 24 teams in the NFL.


That's sad, to lose 8 teams in just one season.  The economy must be really rough, even millionaire NFL stars are getting laid off.

/Here's  your sign....


tlchwi02: the guy who named the team did so specifically to make fun of native americans, whom he hated, because he was a huge klan member.

so the original point of naming the pro team redskins was to offend people


The franchise started out as the Boston Braves, (same as the baseball team) and was renamed the redskins.  Some say that the name change was done in honor of the coach when the change took place.  That coach claimed to be an american indian, though his actual heritage is disputed.

Your claim that it was done to be offensive has no validity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Washington_Redskins
 
2013-08-08 04:33:35 PM
Magorn:
After the team moved to DC the "Braves" monkier was dropped to avoid confusion with the Boston baseball team,   the coach at the time was Nicknamed "Billy Redskin" because he was a native American (thanks to the Carlisle Indian School, Native Americans were heavily represented in the early NFL.

Actually, the name was changed when they moved from Braves Field to Fenway, not when they moved to DC.
 
2013-08-08 04:37:44 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: ArkPanda

I came up with "Washington Filibusters", with a pirate mascot. It doesn't really roll off the tongue though.


That's okay. The longer it takes to say it, the better it works.


They should build a reputation on their secondary.

"You can't pass in Washington."
 
2013-08-08 04:40:14 PM

Carth: The Muthaship: Hugo Zorilla: How about "Washington Wagonburners"?

I'd say Scalpers, but football already has those.

The Washington Bureaucrats


Better idea, The Washington Rednecks!
 
2013-08-08 08:08:04 PM
I dont consider the name offensive.

If a group of native Americans do find it offensive then an organized representative body should appeal to the club for changes.  The movement should come from the offended; not "enlightened" busy bodies.
 
2013-08-08 08:59:16 PM
It has come time for many of us to take matters into our own hands.  I am looking for volunteers to join me in a letter writing campaign where we will send Vladamir Putin letters questioning his manhood and pointing out he does not have the "stones" to launch a nuclear strike against the USA.  We as a nation have passed the point of no return and the only way to save ourselves from our own actions is nuclear holocaust...

Whose with me???
 
2013-08-08 09:44:59 PM

jpo2269: It has come time for many of us to take matters into our own hands.  I am looking for volunteers to join me in a letter writing campaign where we will send Vladamir Putin letters questioning his manhood and pointing out he does not have the "stones" to launch a nuclear strike against the USA.  We as a nation have passed the point of no return and the only way to save ourselves from our own actions is nuclear holocaust...

Whose with me???


Hmm. I'm thinking you may be over-reacting somewhat, although I appreciate your segue with the whole "red" theme.
 
2013-08-08 10:20:59 PM
Capt_Fodder,

So I am gathering you aren't ready to commit to joining my effort?  No worries, this offer does not have a "must reply by" date.  I will put you down as a "definite maybe."
 
2013-08-09 07:15:54 AM
Better dead than red.
Frank Burns eats worms.
You tell 'em, ferret face.
 
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