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(Global Geopolitics)   Washington begins sending signals to Tel Aviv that it can now play with fire   (glblgeopolitics.wordpress.com) divider line 55
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2013-08-08 10:31:50 AM  
How can we get our neocon on with a moderate Iran?
 
2013-08-08 10:32:26 AM  
Please stop supporting Israel financially. If they're capable of having a nuclear weapon without admitting to it and capable of risking WWIII and retaliatory terror attacks on the US, then they're capable of finding other big dumb countries to pay their way.

The hell with the Middle East. That's where it used to be and that's where it's headed.
 
2013-08-08 10:38:55 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Please stop supporting Israel financially. If they're capable of having a nuclear weapon without admitting to it and capable of risking WWIII and retaliatory terror attacks on the US, then they're capable of finding other big dumb countries to pay their way.

The hell with the Middle East. That's where it used to be and that's where it's headed.


Another rational voice on US international politics.

What about Egypt?  Syria?  Iraq?  Afghanistan?

Have you heard of the phrase...  you BROKE IT you BOUGHT IT!
 
2013-08-08 10:42:01 AM  
President Rouhani is an outspoken opponent of nuclear weapons and is calling for talks.  Israel and apparently the US need to stop beating the war drums for 5 seconds and try to work something out.
 
2013-08-08 10:47:14 AM  

NostroZ: TheShavingofOccam123: Please stop supporting Israel financially. If they're capable of having a nuclear weapon without admitting to it and capable of risking WWIII and retaliatory terror attacks on the US, then they're capable of finding other big dumb countries to pay their way.

The hell with the Middle East. That's where it used to be and that's where it's headed.

Another rational voice on US international politics.

What about Egypt?  Syria?  Iraq?  Afghanistan?

Have you heard of the phrase...  you BROKE IT you BOUGHT IT!


Rationality when the subject is the Middle East?

OBL issued his fatwa for the 9-11 attacks based on the fact that the US stationed female troops in the holy regions of Islam.

Putting an Israeli flag over one of the holiest sites in Islam during the Six Day War?

Fark it. The Middle East is a deadly combination of religious hatred and enormous resource deposits. Both of which are perfect causes for all-out war. Together they pretty much mean some dumb-ass country like the USA will use its military to fight the corporate wars then suffer terrible reprisals from bigots whose side lost.
 
2013-08-08 10:48:20 AM  
Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war!
 
2013-08-08 10:48:25 AM  
This will end well.
 
2013-08-08 10:53:05 AM  
Two things:

1. Let Israel do whatever the fark they want.
2. Let Israel deal with the consequences of doing whatever the fark they want. Alone.

Seriously, fark these assholes, let them fend for themselves. Also let them follow the standards the rest of the country does, make them declare their farking nuclear status. I'm getting sick of thes assholes ignoring everybody, yet shiatting kittens when someone else ignores the UN, or someone else responds to their saber ratling.
 
2013-08-08 10:55:45 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: OBL issued his fatwa for the 9-11 attacks based on the fact that the US stationed female troops in the holy regions of Islam.


I see... you dictate your position based on what OSAMA BIN LADEN told the US after a TERROR attack.

Brilliant.

I sure hope you're with me if anyone tries to rob me or hurt me, you'll just submit and blame me for it.

You're a real man, bro.
 
2013-08-08 10:57:38 AM  
Israel has a yellow light, according to the music a retired general has heard coming from Washington.
 
2013-08-08 11:02:58 AM  
They're not going to do it because they can't finish the job.
 
2013-08-08 11:06:49 AM  

NostroZ: TheShavingofOccam123: OBL issued his fatwa for the 9-11 attacks based on the fact that the US stationed female troops in the holy regions of Islam.

I see... you dictate your position based on what OSAMA BIN LADEN told the US after a TERROR attack.

Brilliant.

I sure hope you're with me if anyone tries to rob me or hurt me, you'll just submit and blame me for it.

You're a real man, bro.


OBL issued his fatwa to attack the US long before the 9-11 attacks. They were a direct outcome of the fatwa.

Let's review. Several thousand Americans died horrific deaths because the oil resources of Saudi Arabia had to be protected. If you want to know what might have happened in Saudi Arabia without those troops guarding corporate oil production, look at the first Gulf (Oil) War.

Several thousand other Americans died horrific deaths or suffered terrible life-long injuries in the second Gulf (Oil) War in Iraq. These are the people who volunteered to find and kill OBL in Afghanistan but instead ended up fighting for BP and other big oil interests in Iraq.

So, like I said, the Middle East and its environs has too much natural resources and too many religious bigots. The US will continue to suffer terror retaliation for its blind support of Israel and for its unquestioning support of big oil overwhelming political solutions throughout the area.

You want to send your kids to die for religious bigots and big oil? Enjoy.
 
2013-08-08 11:08:17 AM  
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2013-08-08 11:09:53 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The Middle East is a deadly combination of religious hatred and enormous resource deposits.


This statement could easily be applied much closer to home as well.
 
2013-08-08 11:11:20 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Several thousand other Americans died horrific deaths or suffered terrible life-long injuries in the second Gulf (Oil) War in Iraq. These are the people who volunteered to find and kill OBL in Afghanistan but instead ended up fighting for BP and other big oil interests in Iraq.


And this is the fault of Israel how?
memestorage.com

How does the Iraq war / BP oil interests have anything to do with divesting from Israel (your original post)?
 
2013-08-08 11:15:31 AM  

NostroZ: TheShavingofOccam123: Several thousand other Americans died horrific deaths or suffered terrible life-long injuries in the second Gulf (Oil) War in Iraq. These are the people who volunteered to find and kill OBL in Afghanistan but instead ended up fighting for BP and other big oil interests in Iraq.

And this is the fault of Israel how?
[memestorage.com image 533x800]

How does the Iraq war / BP oil interests have anything to do with divesting from Israel (your original post)?


capable of risking WWIII and retaliatory terror attacks on the US

Why nothing at all.

Why do you end your responses with questions? Why? Don't trolls do that? Don't they? What's this little button up here do?
 
2013-08-08 11:18:58 AM  

Mikey1969: Two things:

1. Let Israel do whatever the fark they want.
2. Let Israel deal with the consequences of doing whatever the fark they want. Alone.

Seriously, fark these assholes, let them fend for themselves. Also let them follow the standards the rest of the country does, make them declare their farking nuclear status. I'm getting sick of thes assholes ignoring everybody, yet shiatting kittens when someone else ignores the UN, or someone else responds to their saber ratling.


I'd add a #3:  Farking quit giving them money.
 
2013-08-08 11:20:31 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: How does the Iraq war / BP oil interests have anything to do with divesting from Israel (your original post)?

capable of risking WWIII and retaliatory terror attacks on the US

Why nothing at all.

Why do you end your responses with questions? Why? Don't trolls do that? Don't they? What's this little button up here do?


I am ending my post with a question because you are not making ANY SENSE.

Vs. your attempt to troll with the comment of: 
You want to send your kids to die for religious bigots and big oil? Enjoy.

Sure seems like the lady-troll doth protest too loudly.


I am ending this hyperbolic conversation with you, because your view is SO EXTREME and unfounded in blaming ALL of Middle Eastern problems on Israel (assuming they will start WW3 vs. the two wars the US already has there), I do not know where to begin to unravel your syphilitic induced mind.

Good day.
 
2013-08-08 11:22:54 AM  

Riche: Mikey1969: Two things:

1. Let Israel do whatever the fark they want.
2. Let Israel deal with the consequences of doing whatever the fark they want. Alone.

Seriously, fark these assholes, let them fend for themselves. Also let them follow the standards the rest of the country does, make them declare their farking nuclear status. I'm getting sick of thes assholes ignoring everybody, yet shiatting kittens when someone else ignores the UN, or someone else responds to their saber ratling.

I'd add a #3:  Farking quit giving them money.


I second that motion
 
2013-08-08 11:23:40 AM  

Riche: Mikey1969: Two things:

1. Let Israel do whatever the fark they want.
2. Let Israel deal with the consequences of doing whatever the fark they want. Alone.

Seriously, fark these assholes, let them fend for themselves. Also let them follow the standards the rest of the country does, make them declare their farking nuclear status. I'm getting sick of thes assholes ignoring everybody, yet shiatting kittens when someone else ignores the UN, or someone else responds to their saber ratling.

I'd add a #3:  Farking quit giving them money.


Sorry, my bad. You're right, I apologize for that omission. No more money for these farksticks.
 
2013-08-08 11:24:40 AM  
Israel has previously stated that they didn't think they could destroy hardened Iranian targets without US aid (large bunker busters). The US and Rouhani both make public comments suggesting they may try to resolve things peacefully. As a result, an Israeli who is pro-bombing tries to stir up trouble and strain the relationship by quoting 'American sources.'

This seems like the parsimonious explaination and kind of a boring story
 
2013-08-08 11:28:32 AM  

Mikey1969: Riche: Mikey1969: Two things:

1. Let Israel do whatever the fark they want.
2. Let Israel deal with the consequences of doing whatever the fark they want. Alone.

I'd add a #3:  Farking quit giving them money.

Sorry, my bad. You're right, I apologize for that omission. No more money for these farksticks.


I submit a motion to also ease up on vetoing all UN resolutions that go against Israel.
 
2013-08-08 11:29:44 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Mikey1969: Riche: Mikey1969: Two things:

1. Let Israel do whatever the fark they want.
2. Let Israel deal with the consequences of doing whatever the fark they want. Alone.

I'd add a #3:  Farking quit giving them money.

Sorry, my bad. You're right, I apologize for that omission. No more money for these farksticks.

I submit a motion to also ease up on vetoing all UN resolutions that go against Israel.


Now let's not lose our heads here.
 
2013-08-08 11:36:08 AM  

Riche: Mikey1969: Two things:

1. Let Israel do whatever the fark they want.
2. Let Israel deal with the consequences of doing whatever the fark they want. Alone.

Seriously, fark these assholes, let them fend for themselves. Also let them follow the standards the rest of the country does, make them declare their farking nuclear status. I'm getting sick of thes assholes ignoring everybody, yet shiatting kittens when someone else ignores the UN, or someone else responds to their saber ratling.

I'd add a #3:  Farking quit giving them money.


The problem with the US dropping support for Israel is that they really are surrounded by enemies and they know it. Without the US hanging around scaring off Israel's neighbors it's very likely that a war would break out. And if Israel thinks they might lose does anyone really doubt that they'd use their nuclear weapons to level all the major Muslim cities in the region? Fighting an Israel with the US' backing is a losing proposition, fighting Israel without the US and they might think they can win.

People who argue that the US should drop the support of Israel seem to think that Israel would lose or at lease be humbled by any resulting conflict. I think it's more likely you'd have an unchallenged Israel ruling over the radioactive ruins of their neighbor's cities.

I don't like what Israel does but I think that the results of abandoning them would be worse.
 
2013-08-08 11:36:19 AM  
Is this all part of Obama's plan to abandon Israel?
 
2013-08-08 11:38:51 AM  
The fark does Tel Aviv hace to do with it? Are they thinking of dropping some diamonds on Iran?
 
2013-08-08 11:39:35 AM  
hace = have
 
2013-08-08 11:47:18 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: Israel has a yellow light, according to the music a retired general has heard coming from Washington.


Yeah that was my take on it, too. This guy doesn't sound like a very reliable source.
 
2013-08-08 11:49:29 AM  
gray text on black background sucks balls.
 
2013-08-08 11:50:16 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: Israel has a yellow light, according to the music a retired general has heard coming from Washington.


THIS - some crappy website reports on what some guy infers from basically what he wants to hear. PANIC!!!!!
 
2013-08-08 12:10:23 PM  

Tarl3k: [static.flickr.com image 312x445]


Is Tats still around?  He was supposed to marry into a fundy, FUNDY, family.  As in no computers etc, etc.
 
2013-08-08 12:11:13 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The problem with the US dropping support for Israel is that they really are surrounded by enemies and they know it. Without the US hanging around scaring off Israel's neighbors it's very likely that a war would break out. And if Israel thinks they might lose does anyone really doubt that they'd use their nuclear weapons to level all the major Muslim cities in the region? Fighting an Israel with the US' backing is a losing proposition, fighting Israel without the US and they might think they can win.

People who argue that the US should drop the support of Israel seem to think that Israel would lose or at lease be humbled by any resulting conflict. I think it's more likely you'd have an unchallenged Israel ruling over the radioactive ruins of their neighbor's cities.

I don't like what Israel does but I think that the results of abandoning them would be worse.



1. I'm pretty sure Israel can defend itself from its neighbors without resorting to nukes.

2. If Israel's neighbors are stupid enough to attack a country that has nukes and start to win, then...well, we can't protect all the world's nations world from their own stupidity.

3. Putting it that way makes our payments look like ransom money to keep Israel from launching nukes on everybody. We should not be doing that.

I just don't see Israel going all  Samson Option because one or more neighbors attacked and we stopped bribing them. What would be the purpose other than proving that Hitler had a valid point?
 
2013-08-08 12:17:00 PM  

2wolves: Tarl3k: [static.flickr.com image 312x445]

Is Tats still around?  He was supposed to marry into a fundy, FUNDY, family.  As in no computers etc, etc.



Seems like he's tagging in / out these days.  Maybe grabbing a chair while the ref has his back turned.
 
2013-08-08 12:22:49 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Several thousand other Americans died horrific deaths or suffered terrible life-long injuries in the second Gulf (Oil) War in Iraq. These are the people who volunteered to find and kill OBL in Afghanistan but instead ended up fighting for BP and other big oil interests in Iraq.


Don't rewrite history. The US invasion of Iraq  was instigated by agents of Israel in the US.
PNAC, AIPAC, Judith Miller, Washington Post, Frum, Libby, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith. While there is unquestionable voluminous evidence of these people working to push the US invasion, I have yet to see any evidence of an oil company doing the same.
 
2013-08-08 12:26:37 PM  

Vectron: agents of Israel in the US


Because, as we all know, all Jews are "agents of Israel". No antisemitism here, nothing to see, move along.

Douche.
 
2013-08-08 12:32:28 PM  

Wooly Bully: Vectron: agents of Israel in the US

Because, as we all know, all Jews are "agents of Israel". No antisemitism here, nothing to see, move along.

Douche.


You can call names all you want. It doesn't change the truth.
 
2013-08-08 12:37:56 PM  

Vectron: by agents of Israel in the US.
PNAC, AIPAC, Judith Miller, Washington Post, Frum, Libby, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith. While there is unquestionable voluminous evidence of these people working to push the US invasion, I have yet to see any evidence of an oil company doing the same.


Let's not forget, going waaay back, that the US essentially green lit the original invasion of Kuwait by Iraq.  Iraq told the US what they were going to do via diplomatic channels and asked if the US had a dog in the hunt.  The official US envoy basically told them, 'no, not really. whatever you do is kind of your thing'.
 
2013-08-08 12:38:55 PM  

Vectron: Wooly Bully: Vectron: agents of Israel in the US

Because, as we all know, all Jews are "agents of Israel". No antisemitism here, nothing to see, move along.

Douche.

You can call names all you want. It doesn't change the truth.


The truth in this case being that the old canard about all Jews being disloyal foreign agents is a sure sign of classic antisemitism.
 
2013-08-08 12:44:44 PM  

Wooly Bully: Vectron: Wooly Bully: Vectron: agents of Israel in the US

Because, as we all know, all Jews are "agents of Israel". No antisemitism here, nothing to see, move along.

Douche.

You can call names all you want. It doesn't change the truth.

The truth in this case being that the old canard about all Jews being disloyal foreign agents is a sure sign of classic antisemitism.


G-d, that's some tired shiat.
 
2013-08-08 12:46:26 PM  

Vectron: G-d, that's some tired shiat.


Well stop trotting it out, then, moron.
 
2013-08-08 12:56:17 PM  
Washington begins sending signals to Tel Aviv that it can now play withdie in a fire

The headline I was hoping for.
 
2013-08-08 12:57:50 PM  

Vectron: TheShavingofOccam123: Several thousand other Americans died horrific deaths or suffered terrible life-long injuries in the second Gulf (Oil) War in Iraq. These are the people who volunteered to find and kill OBL in Afghanistan but instead ended up fighting for BP and other big oil interests in Iraq.

Don't rewrite history. The US invasion of Iraq  was instigated by agents of Israel in the US.
PNAC, AIPAC, Judith Miller, Washington Post, Frum, Libby, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith. While there is unquestionable voluminous evidence of these people working to push the US invasion, I have yet to see any evidence of an oil company doing the same.


i86.photobucket.com

From BP's website

What we doBP and the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) are working through a technical service contract (TSC) with Iraq's state-owned South Oil Company (SOC) to increase production from the Rumaila oilfield, near Basra in south Iraq. The contract was signed in November 2009.

BP has got back to doing what it does best--controlling Middle Eastern oil and profiting greatly from it. They used to do it until the Ba'ath party nationalized their oil fields. Now who do we know that used to be the head of the Ba'ath party in Iraq...
 
2013-08-08 01:21:04 PM  

Vectron: Wooly Bully: Vectron: Wooly Bully: Vectron: agents of Israel in the US

Because, as we all know, all Jews are "agents of Israel". No antisemitism here, nothing to see, move along.

Douche.

You can call names all you want. It doesn't change the truth.

The truth in this case being that the old canard about all Jews being disloyal foreign agents is a sure sign of classic antisemitism.

G-d, that's some tired shiat.


Not nearly the unsupported tripe about how Iraq was instigated by Jews.
 
2013-08-08 02:43:52 PM  
Yay! What's next on the agenda?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-08-08 02:49:52 PM  

BafflerMeal: 2wolves: Tarl3k: [static.flickr.com image 312x445]

Is Tats still around?  He was supposed to marry into a fundy, FUNDY, family.  As in no computers etc, etc.


Seems like he's tagging in / out these days.  Maybe grabbing a chair while the ref has his back turned.


It's been a couple of years now.  Someone must be pushing for lots of grandchildren.
 
2013-08-08 03:14:59 PM  
"We went to war against a guy who had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11. It was a total pretext! It's inexplicable and there you go to Cheney, there you go to Bush, there you go to the Jewish neo-cons who wanted to remake the world. Maybe I can say that because I'm Jewish.

Barry Jacobs of the American Jewish Committee acknowledged that the belief that Israel and the neoconservatives were responsible for getting the United States to invade Iraq was "pervasive" in the U.S. intelligence community. Some will surely argue that anyone who suggests that concerns about Israels security had a significant influence on the Bush administration's decision to invade Iraq is either an anti-Semite or a self-hating Jew. Such charges are both predictable and false. As we will now show, there is abundant evidence that Israel and the lobby played crucial roles in making that war happen. This is not to assert that either Israel or the lobby "controls" U.S. foreign policy; it is simply to say that they successfully pressed for a particular set of policies and were able, in a particular context, to achieve their objective. Had the circumstances been different, they would not have been able to get the United States to go to war. But without their efforts, America would probably not be in Iraq today.

Joe Klein, Time Magazine, Time.com, February 5, 2003 -

"A stronger Israel is very much embedded in the rationale for war with Iraq. It is a part of the argument that dare not speak its name, a fantasy quietly cherished by the neo-conservative faction in the Bush Administration and by many leaders of the American Jewish community.
The fantasy involves a domino theory. The destruction of Saddam's Iraq will not only remove an enemy of long-standing but will also change the basic power equation in the region. It will send a message to Syria and Iran about the perils of support for Islamic terrorists. It will send a message to the Palestinians too: Democratize and make peace on Israeli terms, or forget about a state of your own

Ari Shavit, April 5, 2003 Haaretz News Service (Israel) -

"The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.
In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town (Washington): the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history."


The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt-



"Pressure from Israel and the lobby was not the only factor behind the Bush administration's decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was a critical element. Many Americans believe that this was a "war for oil" (or for corporations like Halliburton), but there is little direct evidence to support this claim and considerable evidence that casts doubt on it. Other observer blame political advisers such as the Republican strategist Karl Rove and suggest that the war was part of a Machiavellian scheme to keep the country on a war footing and thus ensure a lengthy period of Republican control. This view has a certain partisan appeal, but it too lacks supporting evidence and cannot explain why so many prominent Democrats supported going to war. Another interpretation views the war as the first step in a bold effort to transform the Middle East by spreading democracy. This view is correct, but as we will see, this remarkably ambitious scheme was inextricably linked to concerns about Israel's security."

Philip Zelikow, a member of the president's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (2001-03), executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (2005-06), told a University of Virginia audience on September 10, 2002, that Saddam was not a direct threat to the United States. "The real threat," he argued, is "the threat against Israel." He went on to say, "And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat ... And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell."


 Robert Novak, referred to the war well before it happened as "Sharon's war" and continues to do so today. "I am convinced," he said in April 2007, "that Israel made a large contribution to the decision to embark on this war. I know that on the eve of the war, Sharon said, in a closed conversation with, senators, that if they could succeed in getting rid of Saddam Hussein, it would solve Israel's security problems.''

Do you guys have any BP memos you can put up against this?
 
2013-08-08 03:37:23 PM  
www.allmystery.de

Sooner or later someone is going to have to do it, so we might as well get it over with now.
 
2013-08-08 03:55:20 PM  

NostroZ: TheShavingofOccam123: Several thousand other Americans died horrific deaths or suffered terrible life-long injuries in the second Gulf (Oil) War in Iraq. These are the people who volunteered to find and kill OBL in Afghanistan but instead ended up fighting for BP and other big oil interests in Iraq.

And this is the fault of Israel how?
[memestorage.com image 533x800]

How does the Iraq war / BP oil interests have anything to do with divesting from Israel (your original post)?


About as much as his assertion that thousand of Americans died in the 91 gulf war. This person is an idiot.
 
2013-08-08 03:59:47 PM  

BafflerMeal: 2wolves: Tarl3k: [static.flickr.com image 312x445]

Is Tats still around?  He was supposed to marry into a fundy, FUNDY, family.  As in no computers etc, etc.


Seems like he's tagging in / out these days.  Maybe grabbing a chair while the ref has his back turned.


So he can not uphold the convictions and beliefs of his wife? Now that is damn funny. Why am I not surprised.
 
2013-08-08 04:26:03 PM  

Vectron: Wall of irrelevance


Why would I put anything up against crap? Just because someone else benefits doesn't mean we're doing it for them. By that method of thinking, we didn't go to war for Israel at all. We went to war for China. They're just smart enough not to thank us for it.
 
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