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(Some Guy)   Florida couple follows HOA rules, gets approval to install low-pollution, low-water use landscaping. HOA realizes they did something right, and the lawsuits start flying   (greenflbroker.com) divider line 148
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2013-08-07 07:54:42 PM  
The HOA didn't do anything right.  They just failed to respond and the CC&Rs deem a non-response an approval.
 
2013-08-07 07:55:19 PM  
F*ck HOAs.

That is all
 
2013-08-07 07:55:58 PM  
One more reason I will never live in another HOA community.
 
2013-08-07 07:56:28 PM  
MMmmmm, HOA thread.   These are almost as good as raw milk threads.
 
2013-08-07 07:56:43 PM  
Duval county has such a majestic ring to it.

I bet real handsome people live in that county.
 
2013-08-07 07:59:01 PM  
If yo want some menopausal dump gutted cow knocking on your door once a week to piss and moan about this week's infraction, buy a house in an HOA managed community.  If not, don't.
 
2013-08-07 07:59:02 PM  
Are there ANY HOAs that aren't run by petty tyrants and their underlings?

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You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy
 
2013-08-07 08:00:16 PM  
Mediation was scheduled.  The mediator (a retired attorney in Gainesville) worked with the HOA attorney, the Sidles and their attorney in 2012 with both parties reaching an agreement. The HOA attorney called the HOA President with the outcome which he completely rejected even after giving their attorney complete representation.

The President of the HOA should be shot in the face with a bazooka... that is all.
 
2013-08-07 08:01:11 PM  
My HOA signed a 99 year exclusive deal with a bundled Internet/cable TV provider.  While the Internet speeds are ridiculous, we get one channel of HD HBO, no HD AMC, and no on-demand service.  All this for $200/month in HOA fees.  I rent.  People don't buy in this neighborhood, because of the HOA.
 
2013-08-07 08:01:36 PM  
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2013-08-07 08:02:51 PM  

Mega Steve: Are there ANY HOAs that aren't run by petty tyrants and their underlings?

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You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy


There are 2 types of HOA: those that are run by petty tyrants and those that will be run by petty tyrants.
 
2013-08-07 08:06:25 PM  

ApocoLypstick: One more reason I will never live in another HOA community.


You have automatically eliminated about 20% of homes should you want to buy one. Of course if you are looking for a home built in the last 8 years or so then you have eliminated 80% of the homes.

http://gawker.com/5830257/the-horror-of-homeowners-associations

I hear you  can pick up a home in Detroit with the spare change you find in your cushions.
 
2013-08-07 08:06:26 PM  
Shocker.  If you are rich enough you can litigate your way around an HOA.  Huzzah for the common man.
 
2013-08-07 08:06:44 PM  
HOAs are the devil... until you have that one asshole neighbor whose antics drag your property value down... then they are your tool for passive-aggressively ruining their lives.
 
2013-08-07 08:08:05 PM  
Love these threads. Of course I've always said if my neighborhood tries to start a hoa, I'm going to paint my house plaid and fill my yard with creepy garden gnomes first.
 
2013-08-07 08:08:58 PM  
It's Florida.  The people are so old and crotchety they're complaining about their neighbours lawn (or lack thereof)
 
2013-08-07 08:09:51 PM  
I'm currently rewriting a set of CC&Rs for our HOA...I find this entirely relevant to my interests.

Also, the HOA President should be buried under his own sidewalk area and planted with grass.
 
2013-08-07 08:10:07 PM  
I work for an HOA management company and I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
No seriously, I am!
 
2013-08-07 08:10:44 PM  

CaptSS: You have automatically eliminated about 20% of homes should you want to buy one. Of course if you are looking for a home built in the last 8 years or so then you have eliminated 80% of the homes.

http://gawker.com/5830257/the-horror-of-homeowners-associations

I hear you can pick up a home in Detroit with the spare change you find in your cushions.


Or........ I can do what I did.  By some land in an area with nice weather and have my own house built.  Win!
 
2013-08-07 08:10:52 PM  
These are the 99% of HOAs that give the 1% a bad name.

/Live in a townhome, HOA is a necessary evil but hey absolutely no exterior maintenance ever.
 
2013-08-07 08:11:57 PM  

CaptSS: ApocoLypstick: One more reason I will never live in another HOA community.

You have automatically eliminated about 20% of homes should you want to buy one. Of course if you are looking for a home built in the last 8 years or so then you have eliminated 80% of the homes.

http://gawker.com/5830257/the-horror-of-homeowners-associations

I hear you  can pick up a home in Detroit with the spare change you find in your cushions.


Citing gawker gets you a kick in the nuts.
 
2013-08-07 08:12:02 PM  

Mega Steve: Are there ANY HOAs that aren't run by petty tyrants and their underlings?

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You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy


http://youtu.be/N7NjE3UXuP8   Reminds me of this little ditty.  (nsfw language)
 
2013-08-07 08:12:22 PM  

CaptSS: ApocoLypstick: One more reason I will never live in another HOA community.

You have automatically eliminated about 20% of homes should you want to buy one. Of course if you are looking for a home built in the last 8 years or so then you have eliminated 80% of the homes.

http://gawker.com/5830257/the-horror-of-homeowners-associations

I hear you  can pick up a home in Detroit with the spare change you find in your cushions.


If you don't have an HOA then you will have a city council to deal with, if you get out of the city its going to be the county that wants to tell you where to shiat on your land.  Unfortunately the city of Jacksonville has annexed the entire Duval county, so they are one in the same,  even the beach is Jacksonville jurisdiction.  Its farking shameful.
 
2013-08-07 08:12:25 PM  
If an HOA ever made stipulations about circumcisions and no-fault divorces, I think fark would officially explode.
 
2013-08-07 08:15:07 PM  

CaptSS: ApocoLypstick: One more reason I will never live in another HOA community.

You have automatically eliminated about 20% of homes should you want to buy one. Of course if you are looking for a home built in the last 8 years or so then you have eliminated 80% of the homes.

http://gawker.com/5830257/the-horror-of-homeowners-associations

I hear you  can pick up a home in Detroit with the spare change you find in your cushions.


I've watched entire neighborhoods pop up in the last eight years where before was cow fields. I would never buy one of those cheap particle board house of cards.

/The only HOA I've had to deal with went defunct ten years prior, and then suddenly a neighbor stated sending out letters on HOA letterhead. It was prety amusing as every single other neighbor shot down the attempted return.
 
2013-08-07 08:15:19 PM  

RobDownSouth: I work for an HOA management company and I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
No seriously, I am!


trueslant.com

One can only hope.
 
2013-08-07 08:15:48 PM  
HOA's seem epidemic in certain parts of the U.S. I don't know of any here in RI though there may be a couple in MA.

Things are packed just a little too tightly here in RI to have to deal with HOA's.
 
2013-08-07 08:16:30 PM  

Loren: The HOA didn't do anything right.  They just failed to respond and the CC&Rs deem a non-response an approval.


no, subby is saying the homeowners did something right.

Of course the Sidles complied with every request and became the first Gold certified FFL yard in Duval County!

Jeebus.  and then they still get sued.
 
2013-08-07 08:16:35 PM  
In California, HOAs are required to submit the rules to some sort of state agency for final approval.  Until that is done, none of the rules can be enforced.  If they change the rules, they must resubmit.

A friend of mine who used to live in a condo with the standard tyrant HOA (is there any other kind?) discovered his HOA had not submitted the rules for approval.  So when they told him he was breaking one of the rules (one of the new ones), he told them, "tough shiat".  They tried to take him to court.  He sent his lawyer after them and they backed off.  Every year they sent him a bill for the racked up fines and every year he told them to kiss his ass.  He finally sold the place and moved to a real house.
 
2013-08-07 08:20:59 PM  
whither_apophis:   I've watched entire neighborhoods pop up in the last eight years where before was cow fields. I would never buy one of those cheap particle board house of cards.

Still unwilling to move out of your parent's basement, huh?
 
2013-08-07 08:21:32 PM  
NorthernMT: Love these threads. Of course I've always said if my neighborhood tries to start a hoa, I'm going to paint my house plaid and fill my yard with creepy garden gnomes first.

Place East of Seattle Washington, tried to make their neighborhood area an HOA. 2 entrance to their areas roads already and the HOA masturbators stated it would help to stop crime.... because your neighbors would never rob you.

But to make an HOA in an existing area, there has to be a 100% vote to become an HOA. Great way to keep HOA's out.

Typical HOA president.
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Masturbation cream in inner pocket,
 
2013-08-07 08:23:16 PM  
Live in an HOA controlled prison? live by the rules. Never again will I own a prop in an HOA controlled circus. Save your money, buy some land and f*ck them all.
 
2013-08-07 08:24:01 PM  

RobDownSouth: I work for an HOA management company and I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
No seriously, I am!


Kill yourself.

No, seriously.
 
2013-08-07 08:24:41 PM  

Eponymous: whither_apophis:   I've watched entire neighborhoods pop up in the last eight years where before was cow fields. I would never buy one of those cheap particle board house of cards.

Still unwilling to move out of your parent's basement, huh?


Old growth fir beams? Hardwood floors? Hell no!
 
2013-08-07 08:24:47 PM  

sheep snorter: NorthernMT: Love these threads. Of course I've always said if my neighborhood tries to start a hoa, I'm going to paint my house plaid and fill my yard with creepy garden gnomes first.

Place East of Seattle Washington, tried to make their neighborhood area an HOA. 2 entrance to their areas roads already and the HOA masturbators stated it would help to stop crime.... because your neighbors would never rob you.

But to make an HOA in an existing area, there has to be a 100% vote to become an HOA. Great way to keep HOA's out.

Typical HOA president.
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Masturbation cream in inner pocket,


You know, perverted or not, I've always wondered if napoleon was feeling sexytime with this hand under his shirt.
//that'd be some very angry, overcompensating "goodbye horses" man nipple play..
 
2013-08-07 08:24:53 PM  

thisisarepeat: CaptSS: ApocoLypstick: One more reason I will never live in another HOA community.

You have automatically eliminated about 20% of homes should you want to buy one. Of course if you are looking for a home built in the last 8 years or so then you have eliminated 80% of the homes.

http://gawker.com/5830257/the-horror-of-homeowners-associations

I hear you  can pick up a home in Detroit with the spare change you find in your cushions.

If you don't have an HOA then you will have a city council to deal with, if you get out of the city its going to be the county that wants to tell you where to shiat on your land.  Unfortunately the city of Jacksonville has annexed the entire Duval county, so they are one in the same,  even the beach is Jacksonville jurisdiction.  Its farking shameful.


So, you do see the appeal of buying or building a home in a rural farming community.  Just make sure you are up wind of any pigs or chickens.
 
2013-08-07 08:25:31 PM  

CaptSS: ApocoLypstick: One more reason I will never live in another HOA community.

You have automatically eliminated about 20% of homes should you want to buy one. Of course if you are looking for a home built in the last 8 years or so then you have eliminated 80% of the homes.

http://gawker.com/5830257/the-horror-of-homeowners-associations

I hear you  can pick up a home in Detroit with the spare change you find in your cushions.


The house we bought is about 1500 feet outside an HOA controlled area, so we get the trickledown effects of it without the bored retiree gestapo crew.
 
2013-08-07 08:27:15 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: MMmmmm, HOA thread.   These are almost as good as raw milk threads.


Agreed, but personaly I really like the breastfeeding threads.


/because I like breasteses
 
2013-08-07 08:30:09 PM  

kd1s: HOA's seem epidemic in certain parts of the U.S.


That's because governments don't want to pay for the common infrastructure and builders don't want it added to the price of the house so it gets foisted onto the HOA.
 
2013-08-07 08:30:49 PM  
Kafka had HOAs in mind when he wrote THE TRIAL.

HOAs ain't nothin' but mini communist regimes. Nobody wants to live next to a guy who has a broken down school bus on his front lawn with KEEP OUT spray painted across the side, but the strict regulations governing flowers is taking it to opposite extreme.

You know how those fu*kers gather intel on the offending "homeowners"? They have middle aged women drive around the neighborhood with little tattle-tale notepads. Next thing you know, you get a letter saying if you don't repair the dead grass spots on your lawn, they'll take fuc*ing legal action "up to and including foreclosure."
 
2013-08-07 08:31:33 PM  

balki1867: If an HOA ever made stipulations about circumcisions and no-fault divorces, I think fark would officially explode.


Or if HOAs determined minimum tip levels? That might be fun to watch too.
 
2013-08-07 08:33:13 PM  

lack of warmth: thisisarepeat: CaptSS: ApocoLypstick: One more reason I will never live in another HOA community.

You have automatically eliminated about 20% of homes should you want to buy one. Of course if you are looking for a home built in the last 8 years or so then you have eliminated 80% of the homes.

http://gawker.com/5830257/the-horror-of-homeowners-associations

I hear you  can pick up a home in Detroit with the spare change you find in your cushions.

If you don't have an HOA then you will have a city council to deal with, if you get out of the city its going to be the county that wants to tell you where to shiat on your land.  Unfortunately the city of Jacksonville has annexed the entire Duval county, so they are one in the same,  even the beach is Jacksonville jurisdiction.  Its farking shameful.

So, you do see the appeal of buying or building a home in a rural farming community.  Just make sure you are up wind of any pigs or chickens.


On land that has been in the family for about a century, I'm related to every neighbor except the federal land, and its easy enough to harrass hunters off of it, so i dont catch any shiat from anybody really.  But I used to live in Ponte Vedra, FL about 300 yards from Duval county, had an HOA (obviously).  Kill them before they grow.
 
2013-08-07 08:33:35 PM  
My community avoids this sort of HOA problem by simply not electing anybody to it over the age of about 45.

Then we pretty much don't do anything at all unless somebody is doing something REALLY bad. Like the guy who put up a "fence" around his new "pool" and then let the whole thing fall over and lay in his yard because he didn't actually anchor it.

He got a nasty letter.

/ old, retired people are just awful
 
2013-08-07 08:35:12 PM  
I actually had a great HOA in Memphis.  Cut and edged my yard, threw parties, and no bullshiat.  $50 a month, which also included maintaining roads and sewers.

That said, St. Augustine requires zero upkeep, at least mine does.  I live in San Antonio where it's a brazilion degrees, rarely rains, and I have nice green grass right now.  I never fertilize, and haven't watered all year.  And it overtook the Bermuda in the back yard.
 
2013-08-07 08:38:38 PM  
"I will never buy a home with a HOA"--a phrase generally spoken by renters who have never tried to buy property in an area like Northern Virginia.
 
2013-08-07 08:40:04 PM  

skozlaw: My community avoids this sort of HOA problem by simply not electing anybody to it over the age of about 45.

Then we pretty much don't do anything at all unless somebody is doing something REALLY bad. Like the guy who put up a "fence" around his new "pool" and then let the whole thing fall over and lay in his yard because he didn't actually anchor it.

He got a nasty letter.

/ old, retired people are just awful


People gawking into the backyard? (shudder)
 
2013-08-07 08:40:45 PM  
its just farking creepy
 
2013-08-07 08:41:23 PM  

thisisarepeat: If you don't have an HOA then you will have a city council to deal with, if you get out of the city its going to be the county that wants to tell you where to shiat on your land.


I know it's just a matter of degree, but I see a big difference between my town government and an HOA.  The town demands that I:
1)Have a front and back yard
2)Mow said yard if it is over 10 inches tall
3)Not build within 15 feet of a property line or taller than 3 stories
4)Build to the standard of the Building Code

I can paint my house any color I want, I can pave the entire yard and paint it orange.  I can plant any type of tree, grass or shrub I want.  I can build a porch, deck, or patio as I choose.  My point is, the rules the town puts on me directly tie into public heath, public safety, or the rights of my neighbor to use his property.  The town doesn't have any power or interest in controlling aesthetics the way an HOA does.
 
2013-08-07 08:44:35 PM  

lizyrd: thisisarepeat: If you don't have an HOA then you will have a city council to deal with, if you get out of the city its going to be the county that wants to tell you where to shiat on your land.

I know it's just a matter of degree, but I see a big difference between my town government and an HOA.  The town demands that I:
1)Have a front and back yard
2)Mow said yard if it is over 10 inches tall
3)Not build within 15 feet of a property line or taller than 3 stories
4)Build to the standard of the Building Code

I can paint my house any color I want, I can pave the entire yard and paint it orange.  I can plant any type of tree, grass or shrub I want.  I can build a porch, deck, or patio as I choose.  My point is, the rules the town puts on me directly tie into public heath, public safety, or the rights of my neighbor to use his property.  The town doesn't have any power or interest in controlling aesthetics the way an HOA does.


Can an HOA let you build outside of the zoning regulations or building code? I doubt it. You have to comply with municipal and state requirements plus the HOA's aesthetic and behavioral regulations.
 
2013-08-07 08:44:52 PM  
I would like to pont out that this is just great amateur reporting. The narrative is well told, the facts are apportioned and while it is one sided, it doesn't attempt to hide that, and still gives the impression of a level-headed observer. This is what they meant when they said the internet would "make everyone a journalist". It's not news and it's not professionally reported, but it's good enough to give me warm fuzzies.

Your blog doesn't suck, dude. Good for you.
 
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