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2013-08-07 06:24:37 PM  
11 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks Obama.
This is NOT the CHANGE we were HOPING for.


I always wondered what happens when a conservative shill has to choose between bashing Obama and promoting incarceration for non-violent crimes and the unalienable rights of corporations.

Interesting. It seems the shill decides that bashing Obama is more important. Of course, this could be an outlier. Let's see what other shills have to say in this thread.
2013-08-07 06:01:45 PM  
10 votes:

lacrossestar83: Oh great, another "all copyright is bad" thread


Oh great, another "any lengths to protect a failing business model, including throwing more people in jail for nothing" thread.

Idiot.
2013-08-07 06:24:24 PM  
7 votes:
It's a pretty slick way to keep the young and tech-savvy off the voting rolls forever.
2013-08-07 05:03:13 PM  
7 votes:
What should be the real crime here is Hollywood bribing the government into making our lives a living hell.
2013-08-07 04:54:20 PM  
5 votes:
You know... I voted for Obama

/but I'm getting pretty damned tired of the bullsh*t coming out of his administration
//not that it couldn't be worse
2013-08-07 11:14:48 PM  
3 votes:
I think we are leaving the good old days of the internet. In 10 years. It will be completely controlled by governments and ISP's. We wont be able to any of this anymore. Net neutrality will go away. You will only be able to access the sites that your ISP owns. Kind of like the old days with AOL and CompuServe.

What really pisses me off is retransmission fees. Im sorry But I dont feel you should collect a fee on a product you give away.
2013-08-07 10:47:29 PM  
3 votes:

machoprogrammer: tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly McUgly: tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks Obama.
This is NOT the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

I always wondered what happens when a conservative shill has to choose between bashing Obama and promoting incarceration for non-violent crimes and the unalienable rights of corporations.

Interesting. It seems the shill decides that bashing Obama is more important. Of course, this could be an outlier. Let's see what other shills have to say in this thread.

Well, I always wondered what happens when people think that a person is a conservative.
Or that they are a shill.

I also always wondered why people like yourself make up things like saying that this is about incarceration.  Not all felonies result in incarceration.  Tax fraud is a felony and yet Rangel was never incarcerated.   Clinton's perjury is a felony and yet he was never incarcerated.

On this tab, the Fark Democrat Brigade will defend Obama and anyone with a D after their name at any cost, and any criticism of anything related to anyone with a D after their name HAS to be by a conservative. You are lucky you actually got that response, instead of the usual "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD SO VOTE REPUBLICANS" that the mouth breathers usually use.


You just told Lance Armstrong "Hey don't worry champ, these dumb trolls will accuse anyone of using steroids!" Stick to the wrestling threads, simpleton.
2013-08-07 10:43:04 PM  
3 votes:

Mikey1969: Well, Disney thinks they're being cute by playing that 'We're putting it back in the vault' game. I play along by only buying their shiat used.

Fark Disney...



That "Disney Vault" bullshiat was the bane of my existence when I worked in the video rental business (back in the days of VHS). People would come in looking for, say,  Peter Pan because their kid was 8 years old and had never seen it. I'd have to tell them "Sorry, it's not available. It's in the Disney Vault."

They'd get pissed and say,  "Well, didn't you guys get it before they put it in the Vault?"

"Yes, we did." I'd answer, "But then some jerk of a Disney collector stole our copy because the movie was no longer available for purchase thanks to it being in the Vault. So now we don't have a copy, and we can't get  another copy until Disney opens the Vault on that movie in about ten years."

"But little Timmy will be 18 then!"

"Yep. Go tell Disney about it. As if they give a damn."


The Vault is Disney's cheap-ass way of creating a forced "collectible" status on their movies and increasing their value and sales when the do finally release one from The Vault. It's shiatty business, and they keep doing it. They still do that shiat today, and it's still just as annoying to people who have little kids NOW who want to see Disney classics NOW... Not in five or ten years.
2013-08-07 09:35:36 PM  
3 votes:

Mikey1969: Also, there should be some kind of clause that if shiat is just sitting around and there is demand for it, if the owners don't eventually get off of their asses and make it available, it should be legal. I'm sick of wanting to see something that I know should be available, but not having it anywhere online.


THIS. With digital downloads available (the content providers don't even have to create physical media), there should be no issue with releasing old and older movies, tv shows documentaries etc through amazon, NetFlix, Hulu and other outlets. Even if the studios set up their own streaming services, and made THEIR ENTIRE CATALOG (up to about a year ago or so) available on them.

For Disney, every movie and cartoon all the way back to before Steamboat Willie.
For 20th Century, all the way back to Gertie the Dinosaur (1914).
MGM, all the way back to Ben-Hur (silent, 1925)
And so on. This is why some people pirate stuff... they would pay for it if they could get it when and where and how they wanted it... but they can't so they bittorrent a copy someone painstakingly recorded from their HD cable, added chapters to and edited, then recompressed to fit on a dvd.

The studios are too stupid and beholden to their old business models, and missing out on a huge opportunity to make assloads of cash from an audience who may have never heard of some of the good sh*t they have in their vaults, stuff that's already bought and paid for many times over..
2013-08-07 06:11:55 PM  
3 votes:

lacrossestar83: Oh great, another "all copyright is bad" thread


Why should I have to investigate if some streaming service bought the rights to what they are showing and how would I go about doing that? I have no idea if Netflix, Amazon or whatever other VOD service has the legal right to show.  It is an unfair burden to put on the user to have to research this themselves just as it was an unfair burden for Youtube and other user generated video services to do the same and this was recognised in the DMCA.  Video services are not responsible for breached of copyright which they host as long as they take action on DMCA copyright notices.

Why should guilt pass over the middle man hosting service and go straight from the uploader to the streamer/downloader.
2013-08-07 06:03:41 PM  
3 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: What should be the real crime here is Hollywood bribing the government into making our lives a living hell.


if they would like to go back to the original rules about public domain, i would be happy to discuss more stringent rules on various forms of piracy. i think thats fair?
2013-08-07 04:59:32 PM  
3 votes:
Could this BE any more stupid?
2013-08-07 10:39:15 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: yeegrek: DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby

And, correct me if I'm wrong, a criminal record that follows the "felon" to the grave, preventing him or her from getting a job, certain utilities, student loans, travel opportunities, etc.  A bit much for watching a super low res stream of the last UFC card, I think.

Not to mention a ban on owning a gun.

This is why I say I don't have a problem with people convicted of *NONVIOLENT* felonies owning guns.  Because we just have way too many things that qualify these days.


I'll go further than you on that.  If someone has served their sentence (including any parole or probation) they should be allowed to vote and own a gun.  If we're so skeered that they're still a criminal perhaps they should still be in prison.
2013-08-07 09:31:55 PM  
2 votes:

HeartBurnKid: Nobody will ever be able to do this with, say, The Grapes of Wrath, thanks to the magic of perpetual copyright.


Actually they can, if they can claim fair use.  See for example, this book:

gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net

Of course, the fact that The Grapes of Wrath is still under copyright would mean that you might lose the case and have to pay a bunch of lawyers to appeal your case before you get to *do* any of that...
2013-08-07 09:15:04 PM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: clkeagle: why an industry full of otherwise intelligent, tech-savvy types can't come up with a consumer-friendly-yet-profitable digital distribution system is completely beyond me

Exactly... It's insane.


The intelligent, tech-savvy types aren't the ones typically that make final decisions in the large media companies.
2013-08-07 08:55:19 PM  
2 votes:
SIGH. The answer here is the same as it always has been to everything - don't be stupid and don't get caught. That simple rule has seen me through six Presidents (and counting) and two partisan congressional "revolutions."
2013-08-07 08:29:07 PM  
2 votes:
<B>Heartburnkid</B>

No, they will.  Fanfiction websites are fill of stories like those, albeit usually nowhere near as well written.

What they can't do is make any money doing it.  And although I freely admit to being biased as heck on this (because I probably could make a living off it if copyright law was different; I'm not nearly as good at original fiction yet) I think that's a real shame.  There are some wonderful works very closely inspired by pre-existing fiction - even Shakespeare did it - and if there was money in doing it, I think we'd see a lot more.
2013-08-07 08:05:04 PM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly McUgly: tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks Obama.
This is NOT the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

I always wondered what happens when a conservative shill has to choose between bashing Obama and promoting incarceration for non-violent crimes and the unalienable rights of corporations.

Interesting. It seems the shill decides that bashing Obama is more important. Of course, this could be an outlier. Let's see what other shills have to say in this thread.

Well, I always wondered what happens when people think that a person is a conservative.
Or that they are a shill.

I also always wondered why people like yourself make up things like saying that this is about incarceration.  Not all felonies result in incarceration.  Tax fraud is a felony and yet Rangel was never incarcerated.   Clinton's perjury is a felony and yet he was never incarcerated.


I'm sorry, could you stop with the monologue and go find some other shills? Let 'em know I'm running a study and I want to hear their opinions on this riveting question.
2013-08-07 07:54:25 PM  
2 votes:
2013-08-07 06:52:33 PM  
2 votes:
Streaming "Friends" shouldn't be a felony.

People need to know first-hand how vapid and hopeless the 1990s were.
2013-08-07 06:49:18 PM  
2 votes:

jjorsett: alienated: jjorsett: California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous  non violent prisoners back into the communities.
ftfy. Oh, the state is trying to get around that by sending them to private prisons instead.

The "non-violent" ones (in reality, just those whose last conviction was for a non-violent crime, regardless of any earlier murders, rapes, robberies, etc. on their rap sheets, and regardless of whether the most recent one was a plea bargain down from something violent) are already gone. The court said, "Not good enough" and we're now ejecting the truly bad dudes. Even Jerry Brown, Mr. Anti-incarceration himself, fought this latest order, to no avail.


As usual, there is what YOU say, then there is the real world:

The state also argued that dangerous criminals would have to be released in order to satisfy the panel's order, a claim the Supreme Court rejected.
2013-08-07 06:43:34 PM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: OK, who is the target here? The person illegally hosting the streaming material, or the person watching it, who may not know that the stream is not legit?

Also, there should be some kind of clause that if shiat is just sitting around and there is demand for it, if the owners don't eventually get off of their asses and make it available, it should be legal. I'm sick of wanting to see something that I know should be available, but not having it anywhere online.


That would require a major overhaul in copyright law... the type of overhaul that would actually release untold thousands of works into the public domain. But it will never happen as long as someone involved can get one penny in royalty every time Nick At Nite shows an episode, yet receive nothing from an iTunes or Amazon purchase.

/why an industry full of otherwise intelligent, tech-savvy types can't come up with a consumer-friendly-yet-profitable digital distribution system is completely beyond me
2013-08-07 06:29:56 PM  
2 votes:
OK, who is the target here? The person illegally hosting the streaming material, or the person watching it, who may not know that the stream is not legit?

Also, there should be some kind of clause that if shiat is just sitting around and there is demand for it, if the owners don't eventually get off of their asses and make it available, it should be legal. I'm sick of wanting to see something that I know should be available, but not having it anywhere online.
2013-08-07 06:00:17 PM  
2 votes:

DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby


I wonder if the proposed fines will be more or less, proportionally-speaking, than any fines that the SEC gives banks for, say, convincing the ratings agencies to improperly rate shiatty mortgage bonds as Triple A.
2013-08-07 05:04:08 PM  
2 votes:

James!: I agree but for different reasons.


It's a gateway program.  It's well known that people who illegally stream Friends to on to illegally stream NCIS: Los Angeles.
2013-08-07 04:51:41 PM  
2 votes:
Hmm I wonder if that would be used against the people who had their webcams on their police scanners during the Boston manhunt.  Streaming the audio so we all knew well in advance of the plebes watching network and cable news that everything had gone down.
2013-08-07 04:48:05 PM  
2 votes:
I agree but for different reasons.
2013-08-08 02:20:59 AM  
1 vote:
Hmmm... there's another issue to all of this.

Think of your favorite work under Copyright.  Do you remember it well?  When you close your eyes, can you relive parts of it?  I have bad news for you.  Your memory has made an illegal copy.  As technology blurs the line between what our mind does and what a computer does, this will be a very real discussion.  Do we really want common workings of the mind to be a felony?
2013-08-08 02:15:57 AM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You know... I voted for Obama

/but I'm getting pretty damned tired of the bullsh*t coming out of his administration
//not that it couldn't be worse


I felt the same way about Bush at this time in his tenure....The exact same way.  There is no difference.

Lawyers With Nukes: ITT, the entertainment industry continues buying politicians to defend their dying business model. People will be fined or imprisoned for watching a stream of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

Meanwhile, an entire generation is growing up to one day disregard gibberish concepts like "Intellectual Property." But for the time being, we will continue to get the whores we vote for.

/GPL or Copyleft, start using it or get out of the way
//No, I don't know how you'll make money off your IP. Progress was tough on buggy whip manufacturers, too.



To sum up: "I dont want to pay for the stuff you make that I enjoy, so stop whining about wanting to be paid for it.  and buggy whips!  I heard someone talk about buggy whips once!"
2013-08-08 12:41:46 AM  
1 vote:

Faddy: lacrossestar83: Oh great, another "all copyright is bad" thread

Why should I have to investigate if some streaming service bought the rights to what they are showing and how would I go about doing that? I have no idea if Netflix, Amazon or whatever other VOD service has the legal right to show.  It is an unfair burden to put on the user to have to research this themselves just as it was an unfair burden for Youtube and other user generated video services to do the same and this was recognised in the DMCA.  Video services are not responsible for breached of copyright which they host as long as they take action on DMCA copyright notices.

Why should guilt pass over the middle man hosting service and go straight from the uploader to the streamer/downloader.


This.

Charge the guy uploading the content.

/the guilt should pass over because for every one uploader you can have thousands of downloaders
//downloaders are easier to track down
///prosecuting thousands of easy to find downloaders = $$$$$$$
////follow the $
2013-08-07 11:53:40 PM  
1 vote:
Wow. An entire Friends thread with no Aniston nipples? Wow.
2013-08-07 11:39:10 PM  
1 vote:

dennysgod: [floridasolicitor.files.wordpress.com image 450x300]

Well it has precedent since the illegal copying of VHS has been a felony for over 30 years and illegally downloading or streaming a movie is essentially the same thing.


"Ooooh, I'm SO scared!"

25.media.tumblr.com
2013-08-07 11:29:26 PM  
1 vote:

Branniganslaw: Out of curiosity, is it easy for them to investigate what your "streaming" and determine if it's illegal?

/asking for a friend...


It's easy, but normally they don't unless you're a) making lots of money at it and they notice you doing it; b) you decide to taunt the movie studios by telling them what you're up to; or c) you're a career criminal and you get caught streaming while in the course of getting caught doing something else (hackers get caught this way).

The only other common way is when someone like RIAA makes a big stink and the feds have to do a dragnet-style sweep and catch everyone; so you roll the dice; but otherwise you're pretty safe if you keep it inside your own home.

But I'm only relaying stuff I've heard on the Internet.
2013-08-07 11:24:22 PM  
1 vote:

Corvus: Well subby Holden is actually working on making court minimums for non-violent crimes go away and shortening time for drug use  and it is also support by many conservative groups. But that's real politics and not a trollerific partisan headline so you won't see it greened here.


So he is bringing Mudflation into the justice system?

MOAR LAWS! MOAR FELONIES!(but make a few non violent things have no minimum sentence, so a few white people can lawyer out)
2013-08-07 11:16:32 PM  
1 vote:

Dwight_Yeast: Mikey1969: I swear, Walt is spinning in his grave fast enough to travel in time.

Eh, Walt liked making money; he just didn't get good at it until the 1950s.  He left these sorts of games to Roy, who played them well and set this sort of shiat in motion (see my post above).


Sure he liked making money, nothing wrong with that. The problem is, these games are ruining Disney for a lot of people, I'd actually consider the trouble of a Disney based vacation if they hadn't become a symbol for everything wrong with family entertainment. That's the part that I don't believe was in Walt's vision, the 'fark everybody' plan.
2013-08-07 11:09:48 PM  
1 vote:

Dwight_Yeast: ZeroCorpse: The Vault is Disney's cheap-ass way of creating a forced "collectible" status on their movies and increasing their value and sales when the do finally release one from The Vault. It's shiatty business, and they keep doing it. They still do that shiat today, and it's still just as annoying to people who have little kids NOW who want to see Disney classics NOW... Not in five or ten years.

To be fair to Disney, it was really just an extension of what they'd been doing in releasing their movies theatrically for decades.  It started because Snow White was a huge hit, so they put it back into the theaters a couple years after it was originally released (as was done with Gone with the Wind and a couple other movies).  Bambi, Dumbo and Fantasia actually bombed when first released, so their rereleases were an attempt to recoup.

When I was a kid, Disney animated films got a run in the theaters every couple of years for each new group of kids.  I saw Song of the South in 1982, which was its next-to-last re-release (the last one was in 1986)

On the up-side, Amazon and eBay and tons of DVDs circulating mean that its easy enough to get any Disney film you want cheap (save SotS, which hasn't had a video release here in the States).



I bought Song of the South at Harrod's in London ~2000.  Then I ripped it and burned it to DVD.  Lots of people now have copies.
2013-08-07 11:09:32 PM  
1 vote:

Mikey1969: I swear, Walt is spinning in his grave fast enough to travel in time.


Eh, Walt liked making money; he just didn't get good at it until the 1950s.  He left these sorts of games to Roy, who played them well and set this sort of shiat in motion (see my post above).
2013-08-07 11:07:40 PM  
1 vote:

ZeroCorpse: The Vault is Disney's cheap-ass way of creating a forced "collectible" status on their movies and increasing their value and sales when the do finally release one from The Vault. It's shiatty business, and they keep doing it. They still do that shiat today, and it's still just as annoying to people who have little kids NOW who want to see Disney classics NOW... Not in five or ten years.


To be fair to Disney, it was really just an extension of what they'd been doing in releasing their movies theatrically for decades.  It started because Snow White was a huge hit, so they put it back into the theaters a couple years after it was originally released (as was done with Gone with the Wind and a couple other movies).  Bambi, Dumbo and Fantasia actually bombed when first released, so their rereleases were an attempt to recoup.

When I was a kid, Disney animated films got a run in the theaters every couple of years for each new group of kids.  I saw Song of the South in 1982, which was its next-to-last re-release (the last one was in 1986)

On the up-side, Amazon and eBay and tons of DVDs circulating mean that its easy enough to get any Disney film you want cheap (save SotS, which hasn't had a video release here in the States).
2013-08-07 11:04:47 PM  
1 vote:

Nadie_AZ: Could this BE any more stupid?


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2013-08-07 11:00:28 PM  
1 vote:

ZeroCorpse: Mikey1969: Well, Disney thinks they're being cute by playing that 'We're putting it back in the vault' game. I play along by only buying their shiat used.

Fark Disney...


That "Disney Vault" bullshiat was the bane of my existence when I worked in the video rental business (back in the days of VHS). People would come in looking for, say,  Peter Pan  because their kid was 8 years old and had never seen it. I'd have to tell them "Sorry, it's not available. It's in the Disney Vault."

They'd get pissed and say,  "Well, didn't you guys get it before they put it in the Vault?"

"Yes, we did." I'd answer, "But then some jerk of a Disney collector stole our copy because the movie was no longer available for purchase thanks to it being in the Vault. So now we don't have a copy, and we can't get  another copy until Disney opens the Vault on that movie in about ten years."

"But little Timmy will be 18 then!"

"Yep. Go tell Disney about it. As if they give a damn."


The Vault is Disney's cheap-ass way of creating a forced "collectible" status on their movies and increasing their value and sales when the do finally release one from The Vault. It's shiatty business, and they keep doing it. They still do that shiat today, and it's still just as annoying to people who have little kids NOW who want to see Disney classics NOW... Not in five or ten years.


Yeah, I'm not a big fan of being manipulated that way. I like almost nothing about Disney, and 'The Vault' is one of the reasons I cringe whenever they buy a property like The Muppets or Star Wars. So far, so good, but if they try that Vault crap with those franchises, I'll torch every Disney property on the planet.

I swear, Walt is spinning in his grave fast enough to travel in time.
2013-08-07 10:59:48 PM  
1 vote:
Gotta love how much sway the entertainment industry has over our government
2013-08-07 10:54:42 PM  
1 vote:

Tyrone Slothrop: tlchwi02: Marcus Aurelius: What should be the real crime here is Hollywood bribing the government into making our lives a living hell.

if they would like to go back to the original rules about public domain, i would be happy to discuss more stringent rules on various forms of piracy. i think thats fair?

Indeed. Copyright was supposed to be for a limited time, and now for all practical purposes it's indefinite. Since the copyright holders haven't kept their end of the bargain, the public should be under no obligation to hold up theirs.


You're punishing everyone for the actions of a few unreasonable, douchey copyright owners.  Torrent the hell out of Disney and Sonny Bono if you want to attack the source, but it's unfair to the reasonable writers and artists to call for a complete repeal of copyright law.
2013-08-07 10:46:11 PM  
1 vote:

dennysgod: [floridasolicitor.files.wordpress.com image 450x300]

Well it has precedent since the illegal copying of VHS has been a felony for over 30 years and illegally downloading or streaming a movie is essentially the same thing.


No.  Actually, no it isn't.  You have to copy a certain number of woks and they have to be worth at least a certain amount for that to kick in.

/I'm not fixing that typo.  It's too funny.
2013-08-07 10:23:45 PM  
1 vote:
floridasolicitor.files.wordpress.com

Well it has precedent since the illegal copying of VHS has been a felony for over 30 years and illegally downloading or streaming a movie is essentially the same thing.
2013-08-07 10:15:15 PM  
1 vote:

yeegrek: DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby

And, correct me if I'm wrong, a criminal record that follows the "felon" to the grave, preventing him or her from getting a job, certain utilities, student loans, travel opportunities, etc.  A bit much for watching a super low res stream of the last UFC card, I think.


Not to mention a ban on owning a gun.

This is why I say I don't have a problem with people convicted of *NONVIOLENT* felonies owning guns.  Because we just have way too many things that qualify these days.
2013-08-07 10:08:19 PM  
1 vote:
Many forms of piracy are wildly over punished, and this sad state doesnt look like its changing any time soon.

Lets not pretend piracy is not a crime, or that you are owed anything, but the penalties for these actions are just insane.
2013-08-07 10:03:49 PM  
1 vote:

tlchwi02: Marcus Aurelius: What should be the real crime here is Hollywood bribing the government into making our lives a living hell.

if they would like to go back to the original rules about public domain, i would be happy to discuss more stringent rules on various forms of piracy. i think thats fair?


Indeed. Copyright was supposed to be for a limited time, and now for all practical purposes it's indefinite. Since the copyright holders haven't kept their end of the bargain, the public should be under no obligation to hold up theirs.
2013-08-07 09:47:24 PM  
1 vote:

rewind2846: Mikey1969: Also, there should be some kind of clause that if shiat is just sitting around and there is demand for it, if the owners don't eventually get off of their asses and make it available, it should be legal. I'm sick of wanting to see something that I know should be available, but not having it anywhere online.

THIS. With digital downloads available (the content providers don't even have to create physical media), there should be no issue with releasing old and older movies, tv shows documentaries etc through amazon, NetFlix, Hulu and other outlets. Even if the studios set up their own streaming services, and made THEIR ENTIRE CATALOG (up to about a year ago or so) available on them.

For Disney, every movie and cartoon all the way back to before Steamboat Willie.
For 20th Century, all the way back to Gertie the Dinosaur (1914).
MGM, all the way back to Ben-Hur (silent, 1925)
And so on. This is why some people pirate stuff... they would pay for it if they could get it when and where and how they wanted it... but they can't so they bittorrent a copy someone painstakingly recorded from their HD cable, added chapters to and edited, then recompressed to fit on a dvd.

The studios are too stupid and beholden to their old business models, and missing out on a huge opportunity to make assloads of cash from an audience who may have never heard of some of the good sh*t they have in their vaults, stuff that's already bought and paid for many times over..


Well, Disney thinks they're being cute by playing that 'We're putting it back in the vault' game. I play along by only buying their shiat used.

Fark Disney...
2013-08-07 09:46:33 PM  
1 vote:

jim32rr: MaudlinMutantMollusk: //not that it couldn't be worse

There's still time


Be fair, the only way it could get worse at this point is by an act of Congress.

And if there's one thing Congress ain't gonna do, it's act.
2013-08-07 09:30:50 PM  
1 vote:

MisterRonbo: DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby

Riddle me this, Danman - what happens when you can't pay the hefty fines?

/subby


Not only that but correct me if I'm wrong, but don't felons also lose the right to vote?

I have a sticker on my car that says "vote, it's not illegal yet" and that seems to be more true every year.

http://www.ephemera-inc.com/stickers/other-random-stickers/vote-it-s- n ot-illegal-yet-sticker-1627.html
2013-08-07 09:13:47 PM  
1 vote:
This isn't going to change anything. The future is Netflix, Hulu, iTunes, etc. Streaming is coming and it's all going to be legal. This just allows them to go after hobbyists (like those who offer episode of old Star Trek) and professional illegal streamers (like movie4k and others).

This is them throwing a bone to Hollywood. It makes them look like they're willing to help Hollywood, and the lawyers and lobbyists like it because it makes them look like they were able to get something done. But really, this won't change anything. I doubt we're going to see the EFF or any other group fight this.

It gives them teeth but what are they going to bite?
2013-08-07 08:43:19 PM  
1 vote:

James!: I agree but for different reasons.


Yep yep yep...
2013-08-07 08:40:13 PM  
1 vote:
Behold the result of bowing to certain unnamed and legally distinct rodent-like creatures from a realm known for prestidigitation.
2013-08-07 08:00:43 PM  
1 vote:

lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!


data.whicdn.com

Nobody will ever be able to do this with, say, The Grapes of Wrath, thanks to the magic of perpetual copyright.
2013-08-07 07:59:34 PM  
1 vote:

jjorsett: Well, it had better be federal prison. California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous prisoners back into the communities.


Those are state-run prisons. And all of the dangerous criminals are being sent to county jails.
2013-08-07 07:53:31 PM  
1 vote:

Isitoveryet: Gordon Bennett: 12349876: lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!

Tons of great art has been created by reimagining and reinterpreting the classics like Dickens and Shakespeare just to name two giants.  You know Disney will continue to fight their asses off to make sure no one can ever do that with Mickey Mouse.

[i734.photobucket.com image 200x183]

that mouse is actually having sex with the cheese!


In glad you pointed it out. I'd missed it.
2013-08-07 07:44:41 PM  
1 vote:

Gordon Bennett: 12349876: lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!

Tons of great art has been created by reimagining and reinterpreting the classics like Dickens and Shakespeare just to name two giants.  You know Disney will continue to fight their asses off to make sure no one can ever do that with Mickey Mouse.

[i734.photobucket.com image 200x183]


that mouse is actually having sex with the cheese!
2013-08-07 07:41:30 PM  
1 vote:

12349876: lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!

Tons of great art has been created by reimagining and reinterpreting the classics like Dickens and Shakespeare just to name two giants.  You know Disney will continue to fight their asses off to make sure no one can ever do that with Mickey Mouse.


i734.photobucket.com
2013-08-07 07:32:40 PM  
1 vote:

12349876: Tons of great art has been created by reimagining and reinterpreting the classics like Dickens and Shakespeare just to name two giants. You know Disney will continue to fight their asses off to make sure no one can ever do that with Mickey Mouse.


It will be interesting to see what they do next.  In the last couple of years, they pulled some stunts and got the copyrights renewed on Oswald the Lucky Rabbit (which they only recently acquired) and he's older than Mickey by several years.

Meanwhile, Paul McCartney is working to extend copyright in the UK another 50 years as a bunch of early Beatles stuff was in danger of falling out of copyright.
2013-08-07 07:27:43 PM  
1 vote:
How in the hell am I going to watch 60s Batman without streaming!? I would buy that on DVD or Bluray if it was ever released!

/Adam West is my Batman!
2013-08-07 07:12:16 PM  
1 vote:
Didn't Obama already say 2 years ago that he would veto a bill like this? Isn't this just the same group of people just trying to push revised versions of SOPA and PIPA? I imagine Obama's response will be the same as it was in 2011.
2013-08-07 07:04:52 PM  
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DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby


And, correct me if I'm wrong, a criminal record that follows the "felon" to the grave, preventing him or her from getting a job, certain utilities, student loans, travel opportunities, etc.  A bit much for watching a super low res stream of the last UFC card, I think.
2013-08-07 07:04:34 PM  
1 vote:
ITT, the entertainment industry continues buying politicians to defend their dying business model. People will be fined or imprisoned for watching a stream of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

Meanwhile, an entire generation is growing up to one day disregard gibberish concepts like "Intellectual Property." But for the time being, we will continue to get the whores we vote for.

/GPL or Copyleft, start using it or get out of the way
//No, I don't know how you'll make money off your IP. Progress was tough on buggy whip manufacturers, too.
2013-08-07 07:04:04 PM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You know... I voted for Obama

/but I'm getting pretty damned tired of the bullsh*t coming out of his administration
//not that it couldn't be worse


^THIS.  I've been accused of being a conservative plant by certain liberal farkers because I think that Obama is doing a shiatty job of being liberal and, among other irritating things, basically taking a dump on our civil liberties.

/didn't care for it when Bush did it either.
2013-08-07 06:51:37 PM  
1 vote:

lacrossestar83: Popcorn Johnny: - Streaming a broadcast TV show should be legal
- Streaming live sporting events should be legal, as long as they're being shown on broadcast TV somewhere
- Streaming of PPV events should be illegal
-Streaming movies that have not been shown on broadcast TV should be illegal
-Streaming shows that are shown on HBO, Shotwime, etc should be illegal until after they are syndicated

While technically typically* I'd side with the "copyrighted telecast" stuff, the Chicago Blackhawks' old owner changed my mind.  The NFL's blackout rules weren't helping win me over, either.


FTFM
2013-08-07 06:51:01 PM  
1 vote:

Popcorn Johnny: - Streaming a broadcast TV show should be legal

- Streaming live sporting events should be legal, as long as they're being shown on broadcast TV somewhere
- Streaming of PPV events should be illegal
-Streaming movies that have not been shown on broadcast TV should be illegal
-Streaming shows that are shown on HBO, Shotwime, etc should be illegal until after they are syndicated


While technically I'd side with the "copyrighted telecast" stuff, the Chicago Blackhawks' old owner changed my mind.  The NFL's blackout rules weren't helping win me over, either.
2013-08-07 06:50:13 PM  
1 vote:

lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!


Tons of great art has been created by reimagining and reinterpreting the classics like Dickens and Shakespeare just to name two giants.  You know Disney will continue to fight their asses off to make sure no one can ever do that with Mickey Mouse.
2013-08-07 06:43:24 PM  
1 vote:
So if I'm streaming anime that hasn't been brought to American Markets , I can be fined.

Wait wut!?
2013-08-07 06:36:44 PM  
1 vote:

A Dark Evil Omen: Oh great, another "any lengths to protect a failing business model, including throwing more people in jail for nothing" thread.

Idiot.


Nice!  Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever.  That's my favorite!

Faddy:Why should I have to investigate if some streaming service bought the rights to what they are showing and how would I go about doing that? I have no idea if Netflix, Amazon or whatever other VOD service has the legal right to show.
Are you really equating Netflix and Amazon to ATDHE?

It is an unfair burden to put on the user to have to research this themselves just as it was an unfair burden for Youtube and other user generated video services to do the same and this was recognised in the DMCA.  Video services are not responsible for breached of copyright which they host as long as they take action on DMCA copyright notices.
Totes.  Fortunately, the "unfair burden" magically disappeared, taking the unauthorized content with it!

Why should guilt pass over the middle man hosting service and go straight from the uploader to the streamer/downloader.
Ask Kim Dotcom.
2013-08-07 06:29:05 PM  
1 vote:

Corvus: Well subby Holder is actually working on making court minimums for non-violent crimes go away and shortening time for drug use


Given his popularity with the party that controls the House, I'm sure that will go well. Wake me up when someone with some actual juice on the Hill gets behind the effort.
2013-08-07 06:26:59 PM  
1 vote:

alienated: jjorsett: California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous  non violent prisoners back into the communities.
ftfy. Oh, the state is trying to get around that by sending them to private prisons instead.


The "non-violent" ones (in reality, just those whose last conviction was for a non-violent crime, regardless of any earlier murders, rapes, robberies, etc. on their rap sheets, and regardless of whether the most recent one was a plea bargain down from something violent) are already gone. The court said, "Not good enough" and we're now ejecting the truly bad dudes. Even Jerry Brown, Mr. Anti-incarceration himself, fought this latest order, to no avail.
2013-08-07 06:20:50 PM  
1 vote:

you are a puppet: So you're not sentenced to a day, a week, a month, or even a year?

/Because felonies are punishable by over a year imprisonment, heh heh


When you get out...

I'll be there for you.
2013-08-07 06:17:20 PM  
1 vote:

Corvus: Well subby Holden is actually working on making court minimums for non-violent crimes go away and shortening time for drug use  and it is also support by many conservative groups. But that's real politics and not a trollerific partisan headline so you won't see it greened here.


I meant Holder
2013-08-07 06:16:44 PM  
1 vote:
Well subby Holden is actually working on making court minimums for non-violent crimes go away and shortening time for drug use  and it is also support by many conservative groups. But that's real politics and not a trollerific partisan headline so you won't see it greened here.
2013-08-07 06:10:13 PM  
1 vote:

DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby


Riddle me this, Danman - what happens when you can't pay the hefty fines?

/subby
2013-08-07 06:05:37 PM  
1 vote:
So you're not sentenced to a day, a week, a month, or even a year?

/Because felonies are punishable by over a year imprisonment, heh heh
2013-08-07 06:04:19 PM  
1 vote:
Well, it had better be federal prison. California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous prisoners back into the communities. Not much chance that we're going to take up space with some guy who's just causing some Hollywood copyright holder to not receive the price of his morning Starbuck's half-caf mocha frappuccino.
2013-08-07 05:59:39 PM  
1 vote:
Thank the gods I live in a country that hasn't (yet) totally rolled over for corporate interests.

/Don't worry, we'll catch up
//Harper's still got a good couple of years left in his "mandate"
2013-08-07 04:56:25 PM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You know... I voted for Obama

/but I'm getting pretty damned tired of the bullsh*t coming out of his administration
//not that it couldn't be worse


It's not without precedent, the unauthorized borrowing of a buggy whip is still punishable by hanging in most states.
2013-08-07 04:46:58 PM  
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encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby
 
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