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2013-08-07 07:41:30 PM

12349876: lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!

Tons of great art has been created by reimagining and reinterpreting the classics like Dickens and Shakespeare just to name two giants.  You know Disney will continue to fight their asses off to make sure no one can ever do that with Mickey Mouse.


i734.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-07 07:42:26 PM
If they can't secure their content it's their problem, not ours.  Hang them.
 
2013-08-07 07:44:41 PM

Gordon Bennett: 12349876: lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!

Tons of great art has been created by reimagining and reinterpreting the classics like Dickens and Shakespeare just to name two giants.  You know Disney will continue to fight their asses off to make sure no one can ever do that with Mickey Mouse.

[i734.photobucket.com image 200x183]


that mouse is actually having sex with the cheese!
 
2013-08-07 07:51:10 PM

Nadie_AZ: Could this BE any more stupid?


+1
 
2013-08-07 07:53:31 PM

Isitoveryet: Gordon Bennett: 12349876: lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!

Tons of great art has been created by reimagining and reinterpreting the classics like Dickens and Shakespeare just to name two giants.  You know Disney will continue to fight their asses off to make sure no one can ever do that with Mickey Mouse.

[i734.photobucket.com image 200x183]

that mouse is actually having sex with the cheese!


In glad you pointed it out. I'd missed it.
 
2013-08-07 07:54:25 PM
 
2013-08-07 07:55:13 PM

jjorsett: alienated: jjorsett: California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous  non violent prisoners back into the communities.
ftfy. Oh, the state is trying to get around that by sending them to private prisons instead.

The "non-violent" ones (in reality, just those whose last conviction was for a non-violent crime, regardless of any earlier murders, rapes, robberies, etc. on their rap sheets, and regardless of whether the most recent one was a plea bargain down from something violent) are already gone. The court said, "Not good enough" and we're now ejecting the truly bad dudes. Even Jerry Brown, Mr. Anti-incarceration himself, fought this latest order, to no avail.


On the plus side, if you get busted today for some bullshiat charge, you're less likely to get a long sentence, and you'll probably do your time at the county jail---so your baby-momma can bring the kids to visiting hours more often.

It's a family-friendly policy, really.
 
2013-08-07 07:59:07 PM

jjorsett: Well, it had better be federal prison. California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous prisoners back into the communities. Not much chance that we're going to take up space with some guy who's just causing some Hollywood copyright holder to not receive the price of his morning Starbuck's half-caf mocha frappuccino.


EVERYTHING is dangerous to you and the rest of of the conservative bedwetting brigade. Boo! Muslims!

/Now go change your underwear.
 
2013-08-07 07:59:34 PM

jjorsett: Well, it had better be federal prison. California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous prisoners back into the communities.


Those are state-run prisons. And all of the dangerous criminals are being sent to county jails.
 
2013-08-07 08:00:43 PM

lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!


data.whicdn.com

Nobody will ever be able to do this with, say, The Grapes of Wrath, thanks to the magic of perpetual copyright.
 
2013-08-07 08:05:04 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly McUgly: tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks Obama.
This is NOT the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

I always wondered what happens when a conservative shill has to choose between bashing Obama and promoting incarceration for non-violent crimes and the unalienable rights of corporations.

Interesting. It seems the shill decides that bashing Obama is more important. Of course, this could be an outlier. Let's see what other shills have to say in this thread.

Well, I always wondered what happens when people think that a person is a conservative.
Or that they are a shill.

I also always wondered why people like yourself make up things like saying that this is about incarceration.  Not all felonies result in incarceration.  Tax fraud is a felony and yet Rangel was never incarcerated.   Clinton's perjury is a felony and yet he was never incarcerated.


I'm sorry, could you stop with the monologue and go find some other shills? Let 'em know I'm running a study and I want to hear their opinions on this riveting question.
 
2013-08-07 08:07:26 PM
It's a moo point.

/it's like a cow's opinion.
//it doesn't matter.
/// it's moo
 
2013-08-07 08:29:07 PM
<B>Heartburnkid</B>

No, they will.  Fanfiction websites are fill of stories like those, albeit usually nowhere near as well written.

What they can't do is make any money doing it.  And although I freely admit to being biased as heck on this (because I probably could make a living off it if copyright law was different; I'm not nearly as good at original fiction yet) I think that's a real shame.  There are some wonderful works very closely inspired by pre-existing fiction - even Shakespeare did it - and if there was money in doing it, I think we'd see a lot more.
 
2013-08-07 08:31:22 PM
So if someone posts copyrighted video on youtube and I just happen to watch that video before youtube pulls it down, I am a felon? I have to admit, I've probably done this numerous if not hundreds of times in one form or another.  I could be looking at life in prison?!
 
2013-08-07 08:40:13 PM
Behold the result of bowing to certain unnamed and legally distinct rodent-like creatures from a realm known for prestidigitation.
 
2013-08-07 08:40:40 PM

fusillade762: From two threads down:

The United States has the most people in prison by far of any country in the world. With 5% of the world's population, we have 25% of the world's prisoners - 2.3 million criminals. China with a population 4 times our size is second with 1.6 million people in prison.

Yeah, that's what we need: more people in jail.


Well, in our defense China executes alot more people. It's like a big Texas over there.
 
2013-08-07 08:42:27 PM

yeegrek: DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby

And, correct me if I'm wrong, a criminal record that follows the "felon" to the grave, preventing him or her from getting a job, certain utilities, student loans, travel opportunities, etc.  A bit much for watching a super low res stream of the last UFC card, I think.


Ya, but Dana White's an ass so it's almost worth the risk.
 
2013-08-07 08:43:19 PM

James!: I agree but for different reasons.


Yep yep yep...
 
2013-08-07 08:55:19 PM
SIGH. The answer here is the same as it always has been to everything - don't be stupid and don't get caught. That simple rule has seen me through six Presidents (and counting) and two partisan congressional "revolutions."
 
2013-08-07 09:13:09 PM
Aren't all episodes of Friends considered old?
 
2013-08-07 09:13:47 PM
This isn't going to change anything. The future is Netflix, Hulu, iTunes, etc. Streaming is coming and it's all going to be legal. This just allows them to go after hobbyists (like those who offer episode of old Star Trek) and professional illegal streamers (like movie4k and others).

This is them throwing a bone to Hollywood. It makes them look like they're willing to help Hollywood, and the lawyers and lobbyists like it because it makes them look like they were able to get something done. But really, this won't change anything. I doubt we're going to see the EFF or any other group fight this.

It gives them teeth but what are they going to bite?
 
2013-08-07 09:15:04 PM

Mikey1969: clkeagle: why an industry full of otherwise intelligent, tech-savvy types can't come up with a consumer-friendly-yet-profitable digital distribution system is completely beyond me

Exactly... It's insane.


The intelligent, tech-savvy types aren't the ones typically that make final decisions in the large media companies.
 
2013-08-07 09:29:00 PM

mediablitz: The state also argued that dangerous criminals would have to be released in order to satisfy the panel's order, a claim the Supreme Court rejected


Oh goody, dueling quotations: "At the time of the original ruling, Justice Antonin Scalia issued a scathing dissent, saying violent criminals would be put back on the streets. Scalia dissented again in Friday's ruling, joined by Justice Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito."

The dangerousness of these people isn't going to be determined by who gets a larger number of opinions for their side from a handful of people in black robes, but rather the death, blood, and suffering that will be the result of their release. Pray that you're not one of the unfortunate victims who'll be the ultimate 'votes' as to who is right.
 
2013-08-07 09:30:50 PM

MisterRonbo: DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby

Riddle me this, Danman - what happens when you can't pay the hefty fines?

/subby


Not only that but correct me if I'm wrong, but don't felons also lose the right to vote?

I have a sticker on my car that says "vote, it's not illegal yet" and that seems to be more true every year.

http://www.ephemera-inc.com/stickers/other-random-stickers/vote-it-s- n ot-illegal-yet-sticker-1627.html
 
2013-08-07 09:31:55 PM

HeartBurnKid: Nobody will ever be able to do this with, say, The Grapes of Wrath, thanks to the magic of perpetual copyright.


Actually they can, if they can claim fair use.  See for example, this book:

gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net

Of course, the fact that The Grapes of Wrath is still under copyright would mean that you might lose the case and have to pay a bunch of lawyers to appeal your case before you get to *do* any of that...
 
2013-08-07 09:32:31 PM

KeatingFive: jjorsett: Well, it had better be federal prison. California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous prisoners back into the communities. Not much chance that we're going to take up space with some guy who's just causing some Hollywood copyright holder to not receive the price of his morning Starbuck's half-caf mocha frappuccino.

EVERYTHING is dangerous to you and the rest of of the conservative bedwetting brigade. Boo! Muslims!

/Now go change your underwear.


Suddenly it's about Muslims. Non sequiturs are us.
 
2013-08-07 09:33:46 PM

birdboy2000: <B>Heartburnkid</B>

No, they will.  Fanfiction websites are fill of stories like those, albeit usually nowhere near as well written.

What they can't do is make any money doing it.  And although I freely admit to being biased as heck on this (because I probably could make a living off it if copyright law was different; I'm not nearly as good at original fiction yet) I think that's a real shame.  There are some wonderful works very closely inspired by pre-existing fiction - even Shakespeare did it - and if there was money in doing it, I think we'd see a lot more.


Fair use doesn't mandate that you can't make money on it.  See, for example, what I just posted before I saw your comment.
 
2013-08-07 09:35:36 PM

Mikey1969: Also, there should be some kind of clause that if shiat is just sitting around and there is demand for it, if the owners don't eventually get off of their asses and make it available, it should be legal. I'm sick of wanting to see something that I know should be available, but not having it anywhere online.


THIS. With digital downloads available (the content providers don't even have to create physical media), there should be no issue with releasing old and older movies, tv shows documentaries etc through amazon, NetFlix, Hulu and other outlets. Even if the studios set up their own streaming services, and made THEIR ENTIRE CATALOG (up to about a year ago or so) available on them.

For Disney, every movie and cartoon all the way back to before Steamboat Willie.
For 20th Century, all the way back to Gertie the Dinosaur (1914).
MGM, all the way back to Ben-Hur (silent, 1925)
And so on. This is why some people pirate stuff... they would pay for it if they could get it when and where and how they wanted it... but they can't so they bittorrent a copy someone painstakingly recorded from their HD cable, added chapters to and edited, then recompressed to fit on a dvd.

The studios are too stupid and beholden to their old business models, and missing out on a huge opportunity to make assloads of cash from an audience who may have never heard of some of the good sh*t they have in their vaults, stuff that's already bought and paid for many times over..
 
2013-08-07 09:35:50 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You know... I voted for Obama

/but I'm getting pretty damned tired of the bullsh*t coming out of his administration
//not that it couldn't be worse


There's still time
 
2013-08-07 09:44:22 PM

James!: I agree but for different reasons.

 
2013-08-07 09:46:33 PM

jim32rr: MaudlinMutantMollusk: //not that it couldn't be worse

There's still time


Be fair, the only way it could get worse at this point is by an act of Congress.

And if there's one thing Congress ain't gonna do, it's act.
 
2013-08-07 09:47:24 PM

rewind2846: Mikey1969: Also, there should be some kind of clause that if shiat is just sitting around and there is demand for it, if the owners don't eventually get off of their asses and make it available, it should be legal. I'm sick of wanting to see something that I know should be available, but not having it anywhere online.

THIS. With digital downloads available (the content providers don't even have to create physical media), there should be no issue with releasing old and older movies, tv shows documentaries etc through amazon, NetFlix, Hulu and other outlets. Even if the studios set up their own streaming services, and made THEIR ENTIRE CATALOG (up to about a year ago or so) available on them.

For Disney, every movie and cartoon all the way back to before Steamboat Willie.
For 20th Century, all the way back to Gertie the Dinosaur (1914).
MGM, all the way back to Ben-Hur (silent, 1925)
And so on. This is why some people pirate stuff... they would pay for it if they could get it when and where and how they wanted it... but they can't so they bittorrent a copy someone painstakingly recorded from their HD cable, added chapters to and edited, then recompressed to fit on a dvd.

The studios are too stupid and beholden to their old business models, and missing out on a huge opportunity to make assloads of cash from an audience who may have never heard of some of the good sh*t they have in their vaults, stuff that's already bought and paid for many times over..


Well, Disney thinks they're being cute by playing that 'We're putting it back in the vault' game. I play along by only buying their shiat used.

Fark Disney...
 
2013-08-07 09:49:47 PM

Strolpol: If it only applied to Friends, I might actually be wholly in favor of this.


Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-08-07 09:59:44 PM
Half assed measures.
Just kill them.  Solves all sorts of problems all at once.
 
2013-08-07 10:03:49 PM

tlchwi02: Marcus Aurelius: What should be the real crime here is Hollywood bribing the government into making our lives a living hell.

if they would like to go back to the original rules about public domain, i would be happy to discuss more stringent rules on various forms of piracy. i think thats fair?


Indeed. Copyright was supposed to be for a limited time, and now for all practical purposes it's indefinite. Since the copyright holders haven't kept their end of the bargain, the public should be under no obligation to hold up theirs.
 
2013-08-07 10:04:57 PM
Out of curiosity, is it easy for them to investigate what your "streaming" and determine if it's illegal?

/asking for a friend...
 
2013-08-07 10:08:19 PM
Many forms of piracy are wildly over punished, and this sad state doesnt look like its changing any time soon.

Lets not pretend piracy is not a crime, or that you are owed anything, but the penalties for these actions are just insane.
 
2013-08-07 10:15:15 PM

yeegrek: DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby

And, correct me if I'm wrong, a criminal record that follows the "felon" to the grave, preventing him or her from getting a job, certain utilities, student loans, travel opportunities, etc.  A bit much for watching a super low res stream of the last UFC card, I think.


Not to mention a ban on owning a gun.

This is why I say I don't have a problem with people convicted of *NONVIOLENT* felonies owning guns.  Because we just have way too many things that qualify these days.
 
2013-08-07 10:23:45 PM
floridasolicitor.files.wordpress.com

Well it has precedent since the illegal copying of VHS has been a felony for over 30 years and illegally downloading or streaming a movie is essentially the same thing.
 
2013-08-07 10:28:45 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly McUgly: tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks Obama.
This is NOT the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

I always wondered what happens when a conservative shill has to choose between bashing Obama and promoting incarceration for non-violent crimes and the unalienable rights of corporations.

Interesting. It seems the shill decides that bashing Obama is more important. Of course, this could be an outlier. Let's see what other shills have to say in this thread.

Well, I always wondered what happens when people think that a person is a conservative.
Or that they are a shill.

I also always wondered why people like yourself make up things like saying that this is about incarceration.  Not all felonies result in incarceration.  Tax fraud is a felony and yet Rangel was never incarcerated.   Clinton's perjury is a felony and yet he was never incarcerated.


On this tab, the Fark Democrat Brigade will defend Obama and anyone with a D after their name at any cost, and any criticism of anything related to anyone with a D after their name HAS to be by a conservative. You are lucky you actually got that response, instead of the usual "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD SO VOTE REPUBLICANS" that the mouth breathers usually use.
 
2013-08-07 10:39:15 PM

dittybopper: yeegrek: DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby

And, correct me if I'm wrong, a criminal record that follows the "felon" to the grave, preventing him or her from getting a job, certain utilities, student loans, travel opportunities, etc.  A bit much for watching a super low res stream of the last UFC card, I think.

Not to mention a ban on owning a gun.

This is why I say I don't have a problem with people convicted of *NONVIOLENT* felonies owning guns.  Because we just have way too many things that qualify these days.


I'll go further than you on that.  If someone has served their sentence (including any parole or probation) they should be allowed to vote and own a gun.  If we're so skeered that they're still a criminal perhaps they should still be in prison.
 
2013-08-07 10:43:04 PM

Mikey1969: Well, Disney thinks they're being cute by playing that 'We're putting it back in the vault' game. I play along by only buying their shiat used.

Fark Disney...



That "Disney Vault" bullshiat was the bane of my existence when I worked in the video rental business (back in the days of VHS). People would come in looking for, say,  Peter Pan  because their kid was 8 years old and had never seen it. I'd have to tell them "Sorry, it's not available. It's in the Disney Vault."

They'd get pissed and say,  "Well, didn't you guys get it before they put it in the Vault?"

"Yes, we did." I'd answer, "But then some jerk of a Disney collector stole our copy because the movie was no longer available for purchase thanks to it being in the Vault. So now we don't have a copy, and we can't get  another copy until Disney opens the Vault on that movie in about ten years."

"But little Timmy will be 18 then!"

"Yep. Go tell Disney about it. As if they give a damn."


The Vault is Disney's cheap-ass way of creating a forced "collectible" status on their movies and increasing their value and sales when the do finally release one from The Vault. It's shiatty business, and they keep doing it. They still do that shiat today, and it's still just as annoying to people who have little kids NOW who want to see Disney classics NOW... Not in five or ten years.
 
2013-08-07 10:44:25 PM

12349876: Want to know why the upcoming movie with Oprah is called "Lee Daniel's The Butler"?  Because a movie of the same title from 1916 (that's right, NINETEEN SIXTEEN) kept them from using it.

Trademark ≠ copyright

And regarding your comments below (my iPad is having trouble with typing below a second quoted comment here), I do not support retroactive extensions of copyright term.  I don't think it's unreasonable to have lifetime protection of your works plus some amount of time after your death, but it's unfair to keep lobbying for effectively permanent copyright protection.

12349876: lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!

Tons of great art has been created by reimagining and reinterpreting the classics like Dickens and Shakespeare just to name two giants.  You know Disney will continue to fight their asses off to make sure no one can ever do that with Mickey Mouse.

 
2013-08-07 10:46:11 PM

dennysgod: [floridasolicitor.files.wordpress.com image 450x300]

Well it has precedent since the illegal copying of VHS has been a felony for over 30 years and illegally downloading or streaming a movie is essentially the same thing.


No.  Actually, no it isn't.  You have to copy a certain number of woks and they have to be worth at least a certain amount for that to kick in.

/I'm not fixing that typo.  It's too funny.
 
2013-08-07 10:47:29 PM

machoprogrammer: tenpoundsofcheese: Smelly McUgly: tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks Obama.
This is NOT the CHANGE we were HOPING for.

I always wondered what happens when a conservative shill has to choose between bashing Obama and promoting incarceration for non-violent crimes and the unalienable rights of corporations.

Interesting. It seems the shill decides that bashing Obama is more important. Of course, this could be an outlier. Let's see what other shills have to say in this thread.

Well, I always wondered what happens when people think that a person is a conservative.
Or that they are a shill.

I also always wondered why people like yourself make up things like saying that this is about incarceration.  Not all felonies result in incarceration.  Tax fraud is a felony and yet Rangel was never incarcerated.   Clinton's perjury is a felony and yet he was never incarcerated.

On this tab, the Fark Democrat Brigade will defend Obama and anyone with a D after their name at any cost, and any criticism of anything related to anyone with a D after their name HAS to be by a conservative. You are lucky you actually got that response, instead of the usual "BOTH SIDES ARE BAD SO VOTE REPUBLICANS" that the mouth breathers usually use.


You just told Lance Armstrong "Hey don't worry champ, these dumb trolls will accuse anyone of using steroids!" Stick to the wrestling threads, simpleton.
 
2013-08-07 10:51:28 PM

ZeroCorpse: Mikey1969: Well, Disney thinks they're being cute by playing that 'We're putting it back in the vault' game. I play along by only buying their shiat used.

Fark Disney...


That "Disney Vault" bullshiat was the bane of my existence when I worked in the video rental business (back in the days of VHS). People would come in looking for, say,  Peter Pan  because their kid was 8 years old and had never seen it. I'd have to tell them "Sorry, it's not available. It's in the Disney Vault."

They'd get pissed and say,  "Well, didn't you guys get it before they put it in the Vault?"

"Yes, we did." I'd answer, "But then some jerk of a Disney collector stole our copy because the movie was no longer available for purchase thanks to it being in the Vault. So now we don't have a copy, and we can't get  another copy until Disney opens the Vault on that movie in about ten years."

"But little Timmy will be 18 then!"

"Yep. Go tell Disney about it. As if they give a damn."


The Vault is Disney's cheap-ass way of creating a forced "collectible" status on their movies and increasing their value and sales when the do finally release one from The Vault. It's shiatty business, and they keep doing it. They still do that shiat today, and it's still just as annoying to people who have little kids NOW who want to see Disney classics NOW... Not in five or ten years.


Well Disney may be a bunch of dicks, but really your childhood need not be defined by whether or not you see Peter Pan or any other Disney "classic" for that matter.

Having said that, Peter Pan came out 60 years ago - it should be in the public domain by now.
 
2013-08-07 10:52:03 PM

Nadie_AZ: Could this BE any more stupid?


Yes.
Enter:

The War on Piracy.
 
2013-08-07 10:54:08 PM

ilambiquated: I think watching American TV should be a felony. The punishment would be a frontal lobotomy. It wouldn't actually harm the perp because his brain would be farked anyway. But it would allow him to cut calories by not feeding a useless organ.


that's why they call it The Boob Tube
 
2013-08-07 10:54:42 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: tlchwi02: Marcus Aurelius: What should be the real crime here is Hollywood bribing the government into making our lives a living hell.

if they would like to go back to the original rules about public domain, i would be happy to discuss more stringent rules on various forms of piracy. i think thats fair?

Indeed. Copyright was supposed to be for a limited time, and now for all practical purposes it's indefinite. Since the copyright holders haven't kept their end of the bargain, the public should be under no obligation to hold up theirs.


You're punishing everyone for the actions of a few unreasonable, douchey copyright owners.  Torrent the hell out of Disney and Sonny Bono if you want to attack the source, but it's unfair to the reasonable writers and artists to call for a complete repeal of copyright law.
 
2013-08-07 10:59:48 PM
Gotta love how much sway the entertainment industry has over our government
 
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