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(The Raw Story)   Because our prisons aren't nearly full enough, let's make streaming an old episode of Friends a felony   (rawstory.com) divider line 173
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2013-08-07 04:46:58 PM  
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It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby
 
2013-08-07 04:48:05 PM  
I agree but for different reasons.
 
2013-08-07 04:51:41 PM  
Hmm I wonder if that would be used against the people who had their webcams on their police scanners during the Boston manhunt.  Streaming the audio so we all knew well in advance of the plebes watching network and cable news that everything had gone down.
 
2013-08-07 04:54:20 PM  
You know... I voted for Obama

/but I'm getting pretty damned tired of the bullsh*t coming out of his administration
//not that it couldn't be worse
 
2013-08-07 04:56:25 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You know... I voted for Obama

/but I'm getting pretty damned tired of the bullsh*t coming out of his administration
//not that it couldn't be worse


It's not without precedent, the unauthorized borrowing of a buggy whip is still punishable by hanging in most states.
 
2013-08-07 04:59:32 PM  
Could this BE any more stupid?
 
2013-08-07 05:03:13 PM  
What should be the real crime here is Hollywood bribing the government into making our lives a living hell.
 
2013-08-07 05:04:08 PM  

James!: I agree but for different reasons.


It's a gateway program.  It's well known that people who illegally stream Friends to on to illegally stream NCIS: Los Angeles.
 
2013-08-07 05:59:39 PM  
Thank the gods I live in a country that hasn't (yet) totally rolled over for corporate interests.

/Don't worry, we'll catch up
//Harper's still got a good couple of years left in his "mandate"
 
2013-08-07 06:00:17 PM  

DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby


I wonder if the proposed fines will be more or less, proportionally-speaking, than any fines that the SEC gives banks for, say, convincing the ratings agencies to improperly rate shiatty mortgage bonds as Triple A.
 
2013-08-07 06:00:30 PM  
Oh great, another "all copyright is bad" thread
 
2013-08-07 06:01:45 PM  

lacrossestar83: Oh great, another "all copyright is bad" thread


Oh great, another "any lengths to protect a failing business model, including throwing more people in jail for nothing" thread.

Idiot.
 
2013-08-07 06:03:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: What should be the real crime here is Hollywood bribing the government into making our lives a living hell.


if they would like to go back to the original rules about public domain, i would be happy to discuss more stringent rules on various forms of piracy. i think thats fair?
 
2013-08-07 06:04:19 PM  
Well, it had better be federal prison. California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous prisoners back into the communities. Not much chance that we're going to take up space with some guy who's just causing some Hollywood copyright holder to not receive the price of his morning Starbuck's half-caf mocha frappuccino.
 
2013-08-07 06:05:37 PM  
So you're not sentenced to a day, a week, a month, or even a year?

/Because felonies are punishable by over a year imprisonment, heh heh
 
2013-08-07 06:08:08 PM  
jjorsett: California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous  non violent prisoners back into the communities.
ftfy. Oh, the state is trying to get around that by sending them to private prisons instead.
 
2013-08-07 06:10:13 PM  

DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby


Riddle me this, Danman - what happens when you can't pay the hefty fines?

/subby
 
2013-08-07 06:11:55 PM  

lacrossestar83: Oh great, another "all copyright is bad" thread


Why should I have to investigate if some streaming service bought the rights to what they are showing and how would I go about doing that? I have no idea if Netflix, Amazon or whatever other VOD service has the legal right to show.  It is an unfair burden to put on the user to have to research this themselves just as it was an unfair burden for Youtube and other user generated video services to do the same and this was recognised in the DMCA.  Video services are not responsible for breached of copyright which they host as long as they take action on DMCA copyright notices.

Why should guilt pass over the middle man hosting service and go straight from the uploader to the streamer/downloader.
 
2013-08-07 06:16:44 PM  
Well subby Holden is actually working on making court minimums for non-violent crimes go away and shortening time for drug use  and it is also support by many conservative groups. But that's real politics and not a trollerific partisan headline so you won't see it greened here.
 
2013-08-07 06:17:20 PM  

Corvus: Well subby Holden is actually working on making court minimums for non-violent crimes go away and shortening time for drug use  and it is also support by many conservative groups. But that's real politics and not a trollerific partisan headline so you won't see it greened here.


I meant Holder
 
2013-08-07 06:20:50 PM  

you are a puppet: So you're not sentenced to a day, a week, a month, or even a year?

/Because felonies are punishable by over a year imprisonment, heh heh


When you get out...

I'll be there for you.
 
2013-08-07 06:24:24 PM  
It's a pretty slick way to keep the young and tech-savvy off the voting rolls forever.
 
2013-08-07 06:24:37 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks Obama.
This is NOT the CHANGE we were HOPING for.


I always wondered what happens when a conservative shill has to choose between bashing Obama and promoting incarceration for non-violent crimes and the unalienable rights of corporations.

Interesting. It seems the shill decides that bashing Obama is more important. Of course, this could be an outlier. Let's see what other shills have to say in this thread.
 
2013-08-07 06:26:59 PM  

alienated: jjorsett: California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous  non violent prisoners back into the communities.
ftfy. Oh, the state is trying to get around that by sending them to private prisons instead.


The "non-violent" ones (in reality, just those whose last conviction was for a non-violent crime, regardless of any earlier murders, rapes, robberies, etc. on their rap sheets, and regardless of whether the most recent one was a plea bargain down from something violent) are already gone. The court said, "Not good enough" and we're now ejecting the truly bad dudes. Even Jerry Brown, Mr. Anti-incarceration himself, fought this latest order, to no avail.
 
2013-08-07 06:29:05 PM  

Corvus: Well subby Holder is actually working on making court minimums for non-violent crimes go away and shortening time for drug use


Given his popularity with the party that controls the House, I'm sure that will go well. Wake me up when someone with some actual juice on the Hill gets behind the effort.
 
2013-08-07 06:29:56 PM  
OK, who is the target here? The person illegally hosting the streaming material, or the person watching it, who may not know that the stream is not legit?

Also, there should be some kind of clause that if shiat is just sitting around and there is demand for it, if the owners don't eventually get off of their asses and make it available, it should be legal. I'm sick of wanting to see something that I know should be available, but not having it anywhere online.
 
2013-08-07 06:33:13 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Could this BE any more stupid?


You had to say that out loud didn't you?

Now they're going to find a way...
 
2013-08-07 06:35:06 PM  
I think watching American TV should be a felony. The punishment would be a frontal lobotomy. It wouldn't actually harm the perp because his brain would be farked anyway. But it would allow him to cut calories by not feeding a useless organ.
 
2013-08-07 06:36:44 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Oh great, another "any lengths to protect a failing business model, including throwing more people in jail for nothing" thread.

Idiot.


Nice!  Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever.  That's my favorite!

Faddy:Why should I have to investigate if some streaming service bought the rights to what they are showing and how would I go about doing that? I have no idea if Netflix, Amazon or whatever other VOD service has the legal right to show.
Are you really equating Netflix and Amazon to ATDHE?

It is an unfair burden to put on the user to have to research this themselves just as it was an unfair burden for Youtube and other user generated video services to do the same and this was recognised in the DMCA.  Video services are not responsible for breached of copyright which they host as long as they take action on DMCA copyright notices.
Totes.  Fortunately, the "unfair burden" magically disappeared, taking the unauthorized content with it!

Why should guilt pass over the middle man hosting service and go straight from the uploader to the streamer/downloader.
Ask Kim Dotcom.
 
2013-08-07 06:38:46 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks Obama.
This is NOT the CHANGE we were HOPING for.


"THIS is not the CHANGE we were HOPING for"
 
2013-08-07 06:39:41 PM  
What people fail to acknowledge is that we should be serving pre-emptive terms in jail these days.  It's a known fact, there's absolutely no way for someone to live their lives without breaking a law.  The codes are so poorly written, so convoluted and beyond the understanding of day to day people that it's unavoidable.  In fact, you're probably breaking a law at this very moment.

So, from the moment of birth, we should put everybody in prison, until they're at least 18 or 21 years old.  That way, when they get out, they will have pre-emptively served time for whatever infractions....you could in theory smoke a single joint, murder 3 people or download a movie and never have to go to jail for any of it.  However, if you do a crime for which you haven't served the time already, then your punishment will be death.
 
2013-08-07 06:43:24 PM  
So if I'm streaming anime that hasn't been brought to American Markets , I can be fined.

Wait wut!?
 
2013-08-07 06:43:34 PM  

Mikey1969: OK, who is the target here? The person illegally hosting the streaming material, or the person watching it, who may not know that the stream is not legit?

Also, there should be some kind of clause that if shiat is just sitting around and there is demand for it, if the owners don't eventually get off of their asses and make it available, it should be legal. I'm sick of wanting to see something that I know should be available, but not having it anywhere online.


That would require a major overhaul in copyright law... the type of overhaul that would actually release untold thousands of works into the public domain. But it will never happen as long as someone involved can get one penny in royalty every time Nick At Nite shows an episode, yet receive nothing from an iTunes or Amazon purchase.

/why an industry full of otherwise intelligent, tech-savvy types can't come up with a consumer-friendly-yet-profitable digital distribution system is completely beyond me
 
2013-08-07 06:47:06 PM  
If it only applied to Friends, I might actually be wholly in favor of this.
 
2013-08-07 06:49:18 PM  

jjorsett: alienated: jjorsett: California's are so crowded that we're releasing 10,000 dangerous  non violent prisoners back into the communities.
ftfy. Oh, the state is trying to get around that by sending them to private prisons instead.

The "non-violent" ones (in reality, just those whose last conviction was for a non-violent crime, regardless of any earlier murders, rapes, robberies, etc. on their rap sheets, and regardless of whether the most recent one was a plea bargain down from something violent) are already gone. The court said, "Not good enough" and we're now ejecting the truly bad dudes. Even Jerry Brown, Mr. Anti-incarceration himself, fought this latest order, to no avail.


As usual, there is what YOU say, then there is the real world:

The state also argued that dangerous criminals would have to be released in order to satisfy the panel's order, a claim the Supreme Court rejected.
 
2013-08-07 06:50:13 PM  

lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!


Tons of great art has been created by reimagining and reinterpreting the classics like Dickens and Shakespeare just to name two giants.  You know Disney will continue to fight their asses off to make sure no one can ever do that with Mickey Mouse.
 
2013-08-07 06:50:45 PM  
Wait, are we talking a Ross episode, or a Joey episode?  Because that makes a difference.

/Ross episode is execution.
 
2013-08-07 06:51:01 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: - Streaming a broadcast TV show should be legal

- Streaming live sporting events should be legal, as long as they're being shown on broadcast TV somewhere
- Streaming of PPV events should be illegal
-Streaming movies that have not been shown on broadcast TV should be illegal
-Streaming shows that are shown on HBO, Shotwime, etc should be illegal until after they are syndicated


While technically I'd side with the "copyrighted telecast" stuff, the Chicago Blackhawks' old owner changed my mind.  The NFL's blackout rules weren't helping win me over, either.
 
2013-08-07 06:51:37 PM  

lacrossestar83: Popcorn Johnny: - Streaming a broadcast TV show should be legal
- Streaming live sporting events should be legal, as long as they're being shown on broadcast TV somewhere
- Streaming of PPV events should be illegal
-Streaming movies that have not been shown on broadcast TV should be illegal
-Streaming shows that are shown on HBO, Shotwime, etc should be illegal until after they are syndicated

While technically typically* I'd side with the "copyrighted telecast" stuff, the Chicago Blackhawks' old owner changed my mind.  The NFL's blackout rules weren't helping win me over, either.


FTFM
 
2013-08-07 06:52:33 PM  
Streaming "Friends" shouldn't be a felony.

People need to know first-hand how vapid and hopeless the 1990s were.
 
2013-08-07 06:53:30 PM  

clkeagle: why an industry full of otherwise intelligent, tech-savvy types can't come up with a consumer-friendly-yet-profitable digital distribution system is completely beyond me


Exactly... It's insane.
 
2013-08-07 06:57:17 PM  

lacrossestar83: Nice! Now tell me the one about how copyright causes people to not write their own songs, or "kill innovation" or whatever. That's my favorite!


Want to know why the upcoming movie with Oprah is called "Lee Daniel's The Butler"?  Because a movie of the same title from 1916 (that's right, NINETEEN SIXTEEN) kept them from using it.
 
2013-08-07 07:03:27 PM  

James!: I agree but for different reasons.


lol
 
2013-08-07 07:04:04 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You know... I voted for Obama

/but I'm getting pretty damned tired of the bullsh*t coming out of his administration
//not that it couldn't be worse


^THIS.  I've been accused of being a conservative plant by certain liberal farkers because I think that Obama is doing a shiatty job of being liberal and, among other irritating things, basically taking a dump on our civil liberties.

/didn't care for it when Bush did it either.
 
2013-08-07 07:04:34 PM  
ITT, the entertainment industry continues buying politicians to defend their dying business model. People will be fined or imprisoned for watching a stream of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

Meanwhile, an entire generation is growing up to one day disregard gibberish concepts like "Intellectual Property." But for the time being, we will continue to get the whores we vote for.

/GPL or Copyleft, start using it or get out of the way
//No, I don't know how you'll make money off your IP. Progress was tough on buggy whip manufacturers, too.
 
2013-08-07 07:04:52 PM  

DanZero: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 259x194]
It's not so much prison as it is fines, subby


And, correct me if I'm wrong, a criminal record that follows the "felon" to the grave, preventing him or her from getting a job, certain utilities, student loans, travel opportunities, etc.  A bit much for watching a super low res stream of the last UFC card, I think.
 
2013-08-07 07:12:16 PM  
Didn't Obama already say 2 years ago that he would veto a bill like this? Isn't this just the same group of people just trying to push revised versions of SOPA and PIPA? I imagine Obama's response will be the same as it was in 2011.
 
2013-08-07 07:27:43 PM  
How in the hell am I going to watch 60s Batman without streaming!? I would buy that on DVD or Bluray if it was ever released!

/Adam West is my Batman!
 
2013-08-07 07:32:40 PM  

12349876: Tons of great art has been created by reimagining and reinterpreting the classics like Dickens and Shakespeare just to name two giants. You know Disney will continue to fight their asses off to make sure no one can ever do that with Mickey Mouse.


It will be interesting to see what they do next.  In the last couple of years, they pulled some stunts and got the copyrights renewed on Oswald the Lucky Rabbit (which they only recently acquired) and he's older than Mickey by several years.

Meanwhile, Paul McCartney is working to extend copyright in the UK another 50 years as a bunch of early Beatles stuff was in danger of falling out of copyright.
 
2013-08-07 07:40:24 PM  
Any streaming, copying, downloading, uploading, analogue and digital distribution, and broadcasting of "Friends" should be punishable with the strictest penalties available to our justice system.
 
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