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(New York Daily News)   Cool: you've been booked to play a gig at a bar with your band. Problem: you're not 21 yet and the bar will not let you in. Solution: accompany the band onstage--from the sidewalk outside   (nydailynews.com ) divider line
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2013-08-07 02:23:58 PM  
This is terrific.  The video quality is really, really good, though so I have to wonder about, you know... shenanigans?
 
2013-08-07 02:35:40 PM  
I know local laws vary, but that's not an issue in my area. Hell, I met the band Halestorm when they were the first opening act on a 3-band bill. I offered to get a drink for the drummer, and he laughed and said he was only 17.
 
2013-08-07 03:00:41 PM  
This is why you don't bother with these "classy joint" kind of places. Just play the kind of shiathole my HS GF was a waitress at, where 15 is old enough to serve.

/then you get raided
//and erybody goina jail
 
2013-08-07 03:44:27 PM  
Just put a wristband on him that says under 21 and don't serve him alcohol.

/that's how it used to work here.
//and this is the bible belt
 
2013-08-07 03:51:42 PM  

factoryconnection: This is terrific.  The video quality is really, really good, though so I have to wonder about, you know... shenanigans?


The video quality was "meh"... it just looks like they had someone inside with a cellphone and someone outside with one and then stitched the two together.
 
2013-08-07 03:55:44 PM  
I used to play guitar at over-21 lame ass country clubs when I was 17. Of course all the patrons were judges and lawyers so the law didn't apply. Damn were those guys shiatfaced when they drove home. We were all glad that we were still packing up when those drunk ass judges took the wheel.
 
2013-08-07 04:19:19 PM  
I think Hanson had that problem back in the day.  They had to play out in the parking lot.
 
2013-08-07 04:19:28 PM  
I played over-21 bars for four years before I turned 21, and usually no one cared, but there was one club in Denver that wouldn't let anyone in the band drink if any member was under 21.  Man, the guys were sure pissed off whenever we played there.

/drunks
 
2013-08-07 04:20:47 PM  

timujin: The video quality was "meh"... it just looks like they had someone inside with a cellphone and someone outside with one and then stitched the two together.


Having seen the quality of many, many cell-phone vids shot extemporaneously at bar gigs, this is way above "meh."  Also the sound doesn't have all that ringing, tinny overtone that they seem to always have in these situations.
 
2013-08-07 04:22:31 PM  
Just recently I had played a bunch of gigs down the NJ shore where one of the opening acts included this kid who was only 15.  In bars.  At the shore.

Thing is, he played tremendously well.  Hell, he played well for someone twice his age.

The bars never gave him a hard time.
 
2013-08-07 04:26:14 PM  
I guess he didn't play for the Doors cover band Crystal shiat.
 
2013-08-07 04:26:27 PM  

Earguy: I know local laws vary, but that's not an issue in my area. Hell, I met the band Halestorm when they were the first opening act on a 3-band bill. I offered to get a drink for the drummer, and he laughed and said he was only 17.


And then he accepted, right?  Otherwise, what kind of rock star is he, anyway?  (Whoever Halestorm is.)
 
2013-08-07 04:26:55 PM  
Keith Moon laughs at your wimpiness!
 
2013-08-07 04:28:48 PM  

Earguy: I know local laws vary,


"Laws" rarely have anything to do with it.

Largely you're dealing with what the venue owner believes to be true and what they're willing to deal with as the result of having someone under 21 in the place.

I've known places that, under no circumstances, would someone under 21 be allowed in the door; in the band, child of an employee or trying to get in to use the phone because the car broke down....you're not getting in.

Other places have accommodations for the under-21 crowd; wristbands, Sharpie on the hands, etc.  These are the places that know the laws and work with local law enforcement to make sure everything is on the up-and-up.

And then there are the venues that hang in the grey area.  You may have to have a chapperone for the night, they might not let you in unless you're actively playing, they might introduce you to the bar and waitstaff to make sure you don't get served.

It all mostly falls into line with what the venue owner is willing to already do and accommodate.

I will say this though, if you have a guitar case in your hand and walk in the place at the right time (like when the band is setting up) most venues won't check your ID.  If you come through the door as half of the muscle carrying a PA speaker or 4x12 cab they very likely won't bother to check your ID either.

I spent more time in bars playing in bands before I was 21 than after when I wasn't gigging.
 
2013-08-07 04:31:31 PM  

factoryconnection: This is terrific.  The video quality is really, really good, though so I have to wonder about, you know... shenanigans?


Are you serious? The sound is good inside, and it sucks ass in the outside shots, plus it's out of focus, while inside it's at least decent.
 
2013-08-07 04:31:33 PM  
Well when we first came in the bar lady never charged us so we figured beer was, you know, complimentary for the band.
 
2013-08-07 04:33:25 PM  

Skarekrough: Largely you're dealing with what the venue owner believes to be true and what they're willing to deal with as the result of having someone under 21 in the place


This is very true; it is their liquor license at risk, and their perception of their responsibilities that determines the rules.  I never had a problem at Penn State, playing as a minor, even given the extremely tough enforcement of proper ID to get into bars.  I'd just get a big "X" on each hand and rock out on Coca-cola while staying away from the bar proper.
 
2013-08-07 04:34:26 PM  
In AZ, you can get in underage, as long as you're with a parent or guardian. Not sure how much they'd stretch it for a 17 year old just with his band though(With the parents, though, they had a 12 year old that used to shred that would play the bar scene, but his parents stayed with him). Utah, it would be a strict "no", because playing music around beer will make you an instant alcoholic, something about osmosis and the holy spirit, I think...
 
2013-08-07 04:38:09 PM  
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2013-08-07 04:40:10 PM  
yep, never had this issue when I was underage and bar banding.. big sharpie X's on the top of the hands.


IMHO, if there was such an issue, I wouldnt have played there. otherwise, its just a "sticking it to THE MAN" publicity stunt by the band, nothing more, nothing less.
 
2013-08-07 04:40:53 PM  

basemetal: Just put a wristband on him that says under 21 and don't serve him alcohol.

/that's how it used to work here.
//and this is the bible belt


yeah because drinking with a bunch of teenagers is so much fun.
 
2013-08-07 04:44:34 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: I guess he didn't play for the Doors cover band Crystal shiat.


...that only works at the Sand Bar.
 
2013-08-07 04:45:08 PM  

gfid: basemetal: Just put a wristband on him that says under 21 and don't serve him alcohol.

/that's how it used to work here.
//and this is the bible belt

yeah because drinking with a bunch of teenagers is so much fun.


It was until that bastard Chris Hansen had to go and ruin everything.
 
2013-08-07 04:46:14 PM  
Made me think of this.

Then I learned to play some lead guitar, I was underage in this funky bar
And I stepped outside to smoke myself a j
When I come back to the room, everybody just seemed to move
And I turned my amp up loud and I began to play
 
2013-08-07 04:46:30 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: yep, never had this issue when I was underage and bar banding.. big sharpie X's on the top of the hands.


IMHO, if there was such an issue, I wouldnt have played there. otherwise, its just a "sticking it to THE MAN" publicity stunt by the band, nothing more, nothing less.


The problem is that you may age and be over 21 eventually.

The person who booked you won't care.  They'll just think of you as the band that stiffed him on a gig for some reason he can't remember.
 
2013-08-07 04:49:02 PM  

Earguy: I know local laws vary, but that's not an issue in my area. Hell, I met the band Halestorm when they were the first opening act on a 3-band bill. I offered to get a drink for the drummer, and he laughed and said he was only 17.


Yeah, in my town, some bars will let minors in until a certain time, then it's 21+, unless you're with the band.
 
2013-08-07 04:49:21 PM  
There was a bar near where I grew up that would allow entrance for underage patrons, but they had to sit off in a sectioned corner and look after the owner's goat. Or at least I think it was a bar. I just vaguely remember wandering into a certain establishment and being told "if you aren't 21, sit over here with this goat."
 
2013-08-07 04:49:44 PM  

factoryconnection: This is terrific.  The video quality is really, really good, though so I have to wonder about, you know... shenanigans?


HD cameras aren't that expensive any more.  1 inside, 1 outside.  Simple edits and syncing in Premiere and viola.
 
2013-08-07 04:54:06 PM  
My brother had a short modeling career and played Captain Morgan in bars before he was 21.  They didn't care.

/granted, it was about 15 years ago, but still....
 
2013-08-07 04:54:27 PM  

Skarekrough: Cerebral Knievel: yep, never had this issue when I was underage and bar banding.. big sharpie X's on the top of the hands.


IMHO, if there was such an issue, I wouldnt have played there. otherwise, its just a "sticking it to THE MAN" publicity stunt by the band, nothing more, nothing less.

The problem is that you may age and be over 21 eventually.

The person who booked you won't care.  They'll just think of you as the band that stiffed him on a gig for some reason he can't remember.


I understand that, also, the chances are that the band wont be together, and the booking person would have changed, if the bar is even still open to begin with. but If I rolled up on a gig, and the gig said I couldnt play because I was underage. I would ask what could be done about the situation? if the answer is nothing, then we cant play, simple as that. its not the band stiffing the venue, the venue stiffed the band.

at this point the argument will shift to venue stating no one underage allowed vs the band stating forward that there are underage members in the band before the booking.
 
2013-08-07 04:55:20 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: yep, never had this issue when I was underage and bar banding.. big sharpie X's on the top of the hands.


IMHO, if there was such an issue, I wouldnt have played there. otherwise, its just a "sticking it to THE MAN" publicity stunt by the band, nothing more, nothing less.


Yep, this seemed meant to make a point.  I help my cousin out with her gigs and she plays lots of bars and we have only had one place say she couldn't play because she was underage, and by underage, she was 16 when she started to gig heavily.  If we were given an option to place her outside we would have laughed and left.  Big X's or wristbands or just the fact that she is the chick on stage that is noticeably young and the proprietors know not to serve her.
 
2013-08-07 04:58:04 PM  

CJHardin: factoryconnection: This is terrific.  The video quality is really, really good, though so I have to wonder about, you know... shenanigans?

HD cameras aren't that expensive any more.  1 inside, 1 outside.  Simple edits and syncing in Premiere and viola.


Most Droids are capable of recording 720p video, if not 1080p.  Statistically speaking there's going to be at least two people who have a Droid, iPhone 4S, or something similar in a bar trendy enough to be super strict about drinking age.

Also without seeing the raw video we don't know who did the recording.  It could have been the same person just jumping in and out of the bar filming, hence all the cuts.  Obviously some friend recorded the intro part where the dude explains what's going on.
 
2013-08-07 04:59:41 PM  
I worked in a bar in high school.  I was a DJ and there was an exception for performers... at least there was in the '80s.

/old
 
2013-08-07 04:59:51 PM  

factoryconnection: This is terrific.  The video quality is really, really good, though so I have to wonder about, you know... shenanigans?


They'd all have to play outside since Shenanigans doesn't have a stage.
 
2013-08-07 05:01:40 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Well when we first came in the bar lady never charged us so we figured beer was, you know, complimentary for the band.


www.bluesbrotherscentral.com
 
2013-08-07 05:08:27 PM  
That's a good band, shenanigans or not.

/24 years musician
 
2013-08-07 05:14:22 PM  
When I was in high school I was the youngest member of a band of mostly late 20s, early/mid 30s members. I often played 21+ up shows, hell, I wouldn't even be asked for my ID if I was playing unless I tried to get a drink. Sometimes they wouldn't care at all and serve me just because I was playing. I was good friends with most of the local bartenders after a few years. I remember having a house party and paying a local friend money at the bar to let me grab a whole case of beer from the back.

/CSB
//I had a full beard for most of high school, which helped a bit.
 
2013-08-07 05:17:10 PM  
How Bieber keeps getting wasted and making an ass of himself should be looked into.
 
2013-08-07 05:17:32 PM  

Killer Cars: There was a bar near where I grew up that would allow entrance for underage patrons, but they had to sit off in a sectioned corner and look after the owner's goat. Or at least I think it was a bar. I just vaguely remember wandering into a certain establishment and being told "if you aren't 21, sit over here with this goat."


That wasn't a goat, damn it. That was my wife.
 
2013-08-07 05:19:36 PM  

stevetherobot: Made me think of this.

Then I learned to play some lead guitar, I was underage in this funky bar
And I stepped outside to smoke myself a j
When I come back to the room, everybody just seemed to move
And I turned my amp up loud and I began to play


Dammit, beat me to it!
 
2013-08-07 05:21:41 PM  
I remember Molly Lewis (I think) having a problem with this at one of the W00tstock concerts. Basically she had to be escorted on and off the stage, and couldn't hang out in the green room with all the cool kids between sets.
 
2013-08-07 05:25:05 PM  

Whexican: factoryconnection: This is terrific.  The video quality is really, really good, though so I have to wonder about, you know... shenanigans?

They'd all have to play outside since Shenanigans doesn't have a stage.


Worst bar ever.
 
2013-08-07 05:38:51 PM  
I remember a day when I would see articles on Fark before I saw them anywhere.  What happened to those days?
 
2013-08-07 05:44:15 PM  
I've never heard of any laws that prevent entry into an establishment of people under a certain age.  I've only heard of laws that prevent serving people under a certain age.  Let him in and don't serve him, non-problem solved.

/laws may vary, just no place I've ever been
 
2013-08-07 05:44:37 PM  

ggecko: I remember a day when I would see articles on Fark before I saw them anywhere.  What happened to those days?


you got old and life moved on without you
 
2013-08-07 06:06:52 PM  
I've never heard of this rule being enforced on performers. That's pretty weird.
 
2013-08-07 06:21:21 PM  
Some bars, you gotta be 21 or older to be in.  Period.  All kinds of crazy blue laws in this country.  I ran sound a for a while for friends bands at bars.  Nobody ever carded me and I was almost always given a pitcher of beer while I was working.  Good times.
 
2013-08-07 06:22:56 PM  
Yeah... weird. I played a few bars and alcohol-serving venues when I was 18-20. I wasn't drinking, so there was no issue.
 
2013-08-07 07:13:49 PM  

Mr. Pokeylope: Petit_Merdeux: I guess he didn't play for the Doors cover band Crystal shiat.

...that only works at the Sand Bar.


What's the Sand Bar?
 
2013-08-07 07:23:12 PM  
I knew a guy in a band during college that had a wireless hookup for his guitar. He would walk out on the side walk during solos. Shame he wasnt that good.
 
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