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(9 News)   In what's sure to spark a reasonable discussion about the Constitution and the rights of landlords and tenants, a Colorado apartment complex has taken it upon themselves to ban all firearms and weapons from their property. *runs away   (9news.com) divider line 390
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2013-08-07 12:46:05 PM
No knives, sporks, frying pans, rolling pins, baseball, cars, pens, peanut butter.
 
2013-08-07 12:50:23 PM
Whether or not it is legal is irrelevant. What you need to figure out for yourself is if you want to do business with this landlord anymore. Some may, some may not.
 
2013-08-07 12:54:56 PM

WelldeadLink: No knives, sporks, frying pans, rolling pins, baseball, cars, pens, peanut butter.


You forgot hockey sticks, golf clubs, matches (arson), hands (strangulation)
 
2013-08-07 12:57:27 PM
The Second Amendment doesn't entitle you to carry a firearm onto someone else's property in violation of their right to dictate terms and conditions for use of said property.

As the state is not involved in this decision, it is entirely legal. Stupid, but legal.
 
2013-08-07 12:57:41 PM
If it's not illegal, you can bet your ass the NRA will lobby to have it made that way
 
2013-08-07 01:03:39 PM
When reached by phone, Brooke Young, Ross Management Group regional manager, said "It's our policy not to comment to the news media," before hanging up

Enjoy your crucifixion.
 
2013-08-07 01:06:46 PM
I'm not sure how the courts would rule on that.  Property owners have a lot of rights as to what goes on in their property, but renters also have rights to the property they're renting.  I don't think property owners can dictate that constitutional rights don't apply, like they can't say freedom of speech is banned on the premises.  Of course, they're not really banning the residents from owning guns, just from keeping them on the property.

If nothing else if it's not in the lease I imagine that those who have leases extending past the deadline would still be safe.

While I'm not sure if they'll get away with it, I do like the stance the place is taking.  I'm all for greater firearm restrictions and controls as the studies have shown fewer guns and less access to them reduces firearm related injuries and fatalities.  I'm just not sure if they'll actually be able to do this the way they're trying to.
 
2013-08-07 01:07:56 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: If it's not illegal, you can bet your ass the NRA will lobby to have it made that way


If they do, they'll be lobbying to have property rights become non existent when a firearm is involved.
 
2013-08-07 01:08:26 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I don't think property owners can dictate that constitutional rights don't apply, like they can't say freedom of speech is banned on the premises.


Citation needed.
 
2013-08-07 01:10:26 PM

Aarontology: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If it's not illegal, you can bet your ass the NRA will lobby to have it made that way

If they do, they'll be lobbying to have property rights become non existent when a firearm is involved.


Yeah... they would be

/I think their priorities are pretty well established, though
 
2013-08-07 01:13:56 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Aarontology: MaudlinMutantMollusk: If it's not illegal, you can bet your ass the NRA will lobby to have it made that way

If they do, they'll be lobbying to have property rights become non existent when a firearm is involved.

Yeah... they would be

/I think their priorities are pretty well established, though


True.
 
2013-08-07 01:17:02 PM
if I were an armed robber I'd sure put this place on my "to do" list.......
 
2013-08-07 01:19:58 PM

kronicfeld: TuteTibiImperes: I don't think property owners can dictate that constitutional rights don't apply, like they can't say freedom of speech is banned on the premises.

Citation needed.


Yeah, I was going to bring up any of the numerous "I was forced to take down the flag hanging in my window/on my balcony/from a flagpole attached to the front door frame" articles we've seen over the years.
 
2013-08-07 01:22:56 PM

dj_bigbird: WelldeadLink: No knives, sporks, frying pans, rolling pins, baseball, cars, pens, peanut butter.

You forgot hockey sticks, golf clubs, matches (arson), hands (strangulation)


Sunday edition of the New York Times. Chuck Norris.
 
2013-08-07 01:24:08 PM

kbronsito: dj_bigbird: WelldeadLink: No knives, sporks, frying pans, rolling pins, baseball, cars, pens, peanut butter.

You forgot hockey sticks, golf clubs, matches (arson), hands (strangulation)

Sunday edition of the New York Times. Chuck Norris.


I carry a Chuck Norris because a police man is too heavy.
 
2013-08-07 01:32:40 PM
Most appartment complexes ban all kinds of things.  BFD.
 
2013-08-07 01:34:02 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I'm not sure how the courts would rule on that. Property owners have a lot of rights as to what goes on in their property, but renters also have rights to the property they're renting. I don't think property owners can dictate that constitutional rights don't apply, like they can't say freedom of speech is banned on the premises. Of course, they're not really banning the residents from owning guns, just from keeping them on the property.

If nothing else if it's not in the lease I imagine that those who have leases extending past the deadline would still be safe.

While I'm not sure if they'll get away with it, I do like the stance the place is taking. I'm all for greater firearm restrictions and controls as the studies have shown fewer guns and less access to them reduces firearm related injuries and fatalities. I'm just not sure if they'll actually be able to do this the way they're trying to.


I don't know how the courts would rule either, but after Heller I think they're more likely to rule in favor of the tenant.  Plus at the state level, most Constitutions specifically spell out the right to keep and bear arms in defense of the state and/or the individual.  I am truly scratching my head here at the landlord's decision.  At best, you'll get non-compliance and tons of negative publicity, while deterring a large chunk of the population from wanting to rent from you.  A chunk, I might add, that is overwhelmingly law-abiding and has to go through a background check to carry concealed and buy their weapons from dealers.  At worst, you'll drive out tenants and drive up vacancy, AND still get heaps of negative publicity.

I did a bit of digging, and found the management company that oversees this complex:

"Successful property management is a direct result of strong personal relationships.  The strength of those ties means better results for you. You won't find any other property management firm in Colorado or Oklahoma more committed to caring for you and your assets.
We offer "Expert and Thoughtful Property Care." This speaks to how we achieve your goals, how we manage our properties, how we relate to our rental clients, and how we maintain and enhance your properties.  To that end, all of our property managers are proven and seasoned professionals."

Words escape me on how a company that, among other things, specializes in +55 housing (a group that is disproportionately pro-gun, veteran, and likely to hunt when compared to the general population) and operates out of Oklahoma and Colorado (two states that had a combined Brady Campaign report card score of 17 in 2011), could think this was a good idea.
 
2013-08-07 01:37:17 PM

kronicfeld: TuteTibiImperes: I don't think property owners can dictate that constitutional rights don't apply, like they can't say freedom of speech is banned on the premises.

Citation needed.


Huh.  Doing a little research on it, it looks like it'shiat or miss, and cases where it's come up have been decided at the state level - some have upheld that the right to free speech carries over to private property, others have said it only applies to public property.
 
2013-08-07 01:37:53 PM

doyner: Most appartment complexes ban all kinds of things.  BFD.


The one thing all apartment complexes should ban is frikkin CANDLES
 
2013-08-07 01:40:26 PM

R.A.Danny: Whether or not it is legal is irrelevant. What you need to figure out for yourself is if you want to do business with this landlord anymore. Some may, some may not.


It's private property. They can do as they see fit.
 
2013-08-07 01:40:58 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: doyner: Most appartment complexes ban all kinds of things.  BFD.

The one thing all apartment complexes should ban is frikkin CANDLES


There was a fire in the dorms as my college because some dude was getting it on by candle like all romantic with his lady and his ferret knocked one over.

So candles and ferrets.
 
2013-08-07 01:42:58 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: R.A.Danny: Whether or not it is legal is irrelevant. What you need to figure out for yourself is if you want to do business with this landlord anymore. Some may, some may not.

It's private property. They can do as they see fit.


Some states don't see things that way. Of course my point is that none of that matters really, it is up to the customer to decide if they want to live with a landlord with such policies.
 
2013-08-07 01:43:54 PM

TuteTibiImperes: like it'shiat or miss,


Gotta to love the filter.

Anyway, anything can be banned contractually in new leases.  I'm guessing that the existing leases may have a clause that allows them to arbitrarily ban things for safety reaons.
 
2013-08-07 01:44:11 PM

James!: There was a fire in the dorms as my college because some dude was getting it on by candle like all romantic with his lady and his ferret knocked one over.

So candles and ferrets.


I think this guy deserves a  medal for getting a woman to be all romantic in a room with a ferret.
 
2013-08-07 01:46:53 PM

minoridiot: TuteTibiImperes: like it'shiat or miss,

Gotta to love the filter.

Anyway, anything can be banned contractually in new leases.  I'm guessing that the existing leases may have a clause that allows them to arbitrarily ban things for safety reaons.


Most leases have a "We can change this shiat whenever we like" clause.
 
2013-08-07 01:54:37 PM

R.A.Danny: Some states don't see things that way.


It's not the state's business.

R.A.Danny: it is up to the customer to decide if they want to live with a landlord with such policies.


Exactly! The state needs to put their resources into fire, police and roads instead of telling an individual who or whom he has to accommodate.
 
2013-08-07 01:56:27 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: It's not the state's business.


A lot of things aren't the state's business, but they still stick their fingers into everything anyway. At least I can smoke in my apartment.
 
2013-08-07 02:03:41 PM

James!: MaudlinMutantMollusk: doyner: Most appartment complexes ban all kinds of things.  BFD.

The one thing all apartment complexes should ban is frikkin CANDLES

There was a fire in the dorms as my college because some dude was getting it on by candle like all romantic with his lady and his ferret knocked one over.

So candles and ferrets.

 
2013-08-07 02:05:31 PM

Fark It: James!: MaudlinMutantMollusk: doyner: Most appartment complexes ban all kinds of things.  BFD.

The one thing all apartment complexes should ban is frikkin CANDLES

There was a fire in the dorms as my college because some dude was getting it on by candle like all romantic with his lady and his ferret knocked one over.

So candles and ferrets.


That's what I get for not previewing....

i500.listal.com
 
2013-08-07 02:06:44 PM

R.A.Danny: At least I can smoke in my apartment.


You're next on the list.
 
2013-08-07 02:06:59 PM

Fark It: Fark It: James!: MaudlinMutantMollusk: doyner: Most appartment complexes ban all kinds of things.  BFD.

The one thing all apartment complexes should ban is frikkin CANDLES

There was a fire in the dorms as my college because some dude was getting it on by candle like all romantic with his lady and his ferret knocked one over.

So candles and ferrets.

That's what I get for not previewing....

[i500.listal.com image 500x277]


What the hell did you MEAN to say?!?!?
 
2013-08-07 02:20:13 PM

Aarontology: As the state is not involved in this decision, it is entirely legal


Yup.  Second Amendment only applies to government.
 
2013-08-07 02:22:22 PM
I'm pretty sure private property can make that rule. I'm not a doctor though.
 
2013-08-07 03:03:03 PM

doyner: Fark It: Fark It: James!: MaudlinMutantMollusk: doyner: Most appartment complexes ban all kinds of things.  BFD.

The one thing all apartment complexes should ban is frikkin CANDLES

There was a fire in the dorms as my college because some dude was getting it on by candle like all romantic with his lady and his ferret knocked one over.

So candles and ferrets.

That's what I get for not previewing....

[i500.listal.com image 500x277]

What the hell did you MEAN to say?!?!?


It's an Extras joke, about "purple-headed womb-ferrets."
 
2013-08-07 03:05:28 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Property owners have a lot of rights as to what goes on in their property, but renters also have rights to the property they're renting.  I don't think property owners can dictate that constitutional rights don't apply, like they can't say freedom of speech is banned on the premises.


The protesters at Zuccotti Park would beg to differ about the Free Speech thing.

As to the renter, I suspect the court would rule in favor of existing tenant, pre-ban being able to keep their property.  Post ban tenants would probably be forced to adhere, kind of like how some buildings won't allow smokers to rent.
 
2013-08-07 03:07:01 PM
/Pre-emptively abandons thread.
 
2013-08-07 03:07:23 PM

Aarontology: I think this guy deserves a  medal for getting a woman to be all romantic in a room with a ferret.


Just drop it in the tub.
 
2013-08-07 03:07:30 PM
Don't go to parties with metal detectors
Sure it feels safe inside; but what about all those n*****z waitin outside with guns?
They know you ain't got one..

-- Chris Rock
 
2013-08-07 03:07:48 PM
As with HOA's. If you don't like the rules, don't live there.
 
2013-08-07 03:07:49 PM
I'll start:

www.amothersthoughts.com

/wait, wha?
 
2013-08-07 03:08:35 PM

WelldeadLink: No knives, sporks, frying pans, rolling pins, baseball, cars, pens, peanut butter.


--- Shovels, axes, wooden broomhandles (metal swiffers OK), keys sticking out from your closed fist.


/popcorn
 
2013-08-07 03:09:05 PM
Stupid, but ought to be legal.
 
2013-08-07 03:09:26 PM
I ban all violence and unhappiness on my rental properties.  It's working out pretty well.
 
2013-08-07 03:09:51 PM

WelldeadLink: No knives, sporks, frying pans, rolling pins, baseball, cars, pens, peanut butter.


Hammers man, how many hammer crimes have we seen lately...
 
2013-08-07 03:10:04 PM
I wonder who's going to end up being amici curiae for the plaintiff(s) against the management.

Colt, Remington, GOP, NRA...
 
2013-08-07 03:10:27 PM

dj_bigbird: WelldeadLink: No knives, sporks, frying pans, rolling pins, baseball, cars, pens, peanut butter.

You forgot hockey sticks, golf clubs, matches (arson), hands (strangulation)


Also:

subversify.com
 
2013-08-07 03:10:32 PM

LasersHurt: I'm pretty sure private property can make that rule. I'm not a doctor though.


Yes you are.
 
2013-08-07 03:10:37 PM

Aarontology: James!: There was a fire in the dorms as my college because some dude was getting it on by candle like all romantic with his lady and his ferret knocked one over.

So candles and ferrets.

I think this guy deserves a  medal for getting a woman to be all romantic in a room with a ferret.


He's a real baller.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-07 03:11:14 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I'm not sure how the courts would rule on that.  Property owners have a lot of rights as to what goes on in their property, but renters also have rights to the property they're renting.  I don't think property owners can dictate that constitutional rights don't apply, like they can't say freedom of speech is banned on the premises.  Of course, they're not really banning the residents from owning guns, just from keeping them on the property.

If nothing else if it's not in the lease I imagine that those who have leases extending past the deadline would still be safe.

While I'm not sure if they'll get away with it, I do like the stance the place is taking.  I'm all for greater firearm restrictions and controls as the studies have shown fewer guns and less access to them reduces firearm related injuries and fatalities.  I'm just not sure if they'll actually be able to do this the way they're trying to.


It's their property, they can restrict your rights.  The right to peaceably assemble, for example, can be restricted by an apartment complex.  Don't think so, go stand on their property and protest, they're well within their rights to require that you leave.

This is a stupid rule, but it's completely legal.
 
2013-08-07 03:11:33 PM
FTA:  Dorsch says he barely has enough money to live, never mind hire a lawyer.

It's OK Mr. Dorsch.  We thank you for your service in the military.  We also realize that you are well trained in the use, handling, and safe storage or firearms.  As a result, you pose no threat to the community.  I'm sure the ACLU will be filing suit on your behalf immediately to defend your civil liberties.
 
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