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(Talking Points Memo)   Tea Party: "Rep. Pittenger, do you stand with Senator Lee's bill to defund Obamacare?" Pittenger (R-NC): "No." Tea Party: "But....but....but....why?" Pittenger: Because it's stupid   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 81
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2013-08-07 09:22:31 AM  
How long before the tea-party dies off?
 
2013-08-07 09:24:20 AM  

Mercutio74: LrdPhoenix: Which is why pretty much everyone involved with boarding the ship and throwing the tea overboard either was a tea trader or a tea smuggler, giving them a couple months til the next shipment to unload their stockpile of goods at a profit.

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Doesn't recall it happening that way...


Well, if I recall, he also recalls when George Washington crowned himself King of America and what not, so I'm not sure how reliable his testimony would be.
 
2013-08-07 09:30:39 AM  

monoski: How long before the tea-party dies off?


Since it's essentially the GOP's Frankenstein I think it'll take a super-majority of regular citizens with torches and pitchforks.  Though I'm not sure the tea party is afraid of fire, after all, they do tend to defund the infrastructure that protects from wildfires.
 
2013-08-07 09:32:33 AM  

mephox: Mike_LowELL: Funny how the only people who support Taxbongocare are one bad illness away from bankruptcy.  Pretty much tells you what kind of poor, unsuccessful people we're dealing with here.

Not sure if Poe. Or troll.


LowELL is 110% Poe. But he brings up two points.

1) The idea an illness will make you bankrupt is completely American. I think it has something to do with our exceptionalness.
2) A bad illness can cost upwards to a $million, making supporters 99% of the population.
 
2013-08-07 09:57:55 AM  

mephox: Mike_LowELL: Funny how the only people who support Taxbongocare are one bad illness away from bankruptcy.  Pretty much tells you what kind of poor, unsuccessful people we're dealing with here.

Not sure if Poe. Or troll.


Here's a hint.  his last name is L O L.
 
2013-08-07 09:59:08 AM  
"Do you think Harry Reid is going to pass that in the Senate?" Pittenger asked.
"It doesn't matter," the man fired back.
"We need to show the American people we stand for conservative values," the woman shouted, drawing a smattering of applause.



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2013-08-07 10:08:05 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Mike_LowELL is on par with Pocket Ninja.


No. No he is not. Never make that comparison again, it's not even close.
 
2013-08-07 10:15:51 AM  

mephox: Mike_LowELL: Funny how the only people who support Taxbongocare are one bad illness away from bankruptcy.  Pretty much tells you what kind of poor, unsuccessful people we're dealing with here.

Not sure if Poe. Or troll.


Heheheheheheheh....damn, almost got another one~!
 
2013-08-07 10:17:05 AM  

Dracolich: Almost Everybody Poops: mephox: Mike_LowELL: Funny how the only people who support Taxbongocare are one bad illness away from bankruptcy.  Pretty much tells you what kind of poor, unsuccessful people we're dealing with here.

Not sure if Poe. Or troll.

Poe, Mike_LowELL is on par with Pocket Ninja.

Blasphemy


Oh no; not blasphemous at all.  Mike and Ninja are both awesome.
 
2013-08-07 10:31:13 AM  

LordOfThePings: "We need to show the American people we stand for conservative values"

Message received. Can you stop running the country into the ground now?


Uhm. That's kind of what they stand for since a blah man became president .
 
2013-08-07 10:36:33 AM  

mainstreet62: Almost Everybody Poops: Mike_LowELL is on par with Pocket Ninja.

No. No he is not. Never make that comparison again, it's not even close.


I'd argue that if they are not on par, they are on the same tour and invited to the same tournaments.
 
2013-08-07 10:42:08 AM  

neversubmit: Watch Nancy Pelosi Destroy Anti-Obamacare GOP Freaks In Just Two Minutes!

These so-called "fiscal conservatives" have already wasted 60 million dollars trying to take away affordable healthcare from the American people and according to a Harvard study, 45,000 people die every year because they lack affordable healthcare coverage.


I wish I had that 60 million


More than 70 million.

Remember - each attempt is worth about 1.75 million dollars in the House. There have been 40 attempts in the House - that's 70 million.

Between the House and Senate - there have been 60 attempts to challenge parts or all of it.

I can't remember the estimated cost for the 20 attempts in the Senate. However if you use the 1.75 million per... We're looking at over 100,000,000 to challenge Obamacare at a federal level.
 
2013-08-07 10:44:14 AM  

FooDog: naughtyrev: "Do you want the thoughtful answer?" Pittenger asked.
"I want yes or no," the man said.

Well, that about sums it up.

The willful and brazen ignorance is astounding. How the hell did being clueless become a badge of honor?


Ignorance is Strength

This is after War is Peace, by the way.
 
2013-08-07 10:48:21 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: hubiestubert: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: "Do you think Harry Reid is going to pass that in the Senate?" Pittenger asked.

"It doesn't matter," the man fired back.

"We need to show the American people we stand for conservative values," the woman shouted, drawing a smattering of applause.

The irony that never hits them is that the original Boston Tea Party participants were anything but conservative.

Good Conservatism is about pragmatism and a measured approach to governing. It requires thought, it looks to consequences both intended and unintended. It is about reducing systemic imbalances, it is not the radicalized notions that have taken the party by storm, and part of that is because the radicals get headlines, and they give a fair amount of cash for the outrage de jour. And that folks like to call their radicalism Conservatism because it makes them seem more reasonable. Calling this radicalism "Conservatism" is a cloak that abandons what the party stood for, and part of that was the Southern Strategy, part of that has to do with the naked Corporatism that has infested the party, and part of that was embracing the NeoCons who were the radical fringe, and making them the intellectual "base" to act as a foundation, and those folks have invested a great deal of time and effort to shift the Overton Window to embrace these radicals in the public eye. When the party began to focus on publishing as a means to shift public perception, with essentially publishing houses and think tanks to produce studies to support their ideas, as opposed to doing actual research, that was the start of shifting public perception. When that didn't produce the desired effect, multi-media was engaged, now with entire news organizations and websites dedicated to producing "narrative" as opposed to actual news. It is a strategy that has worked, in the sense that we have a lot of folks who now don't trust news sources specifically because they differ in ideology, the difficulty being, that reali ...


There used to be 3 thoughtful, intelligent Republican voters/party members on Fark whose opinions I respected (albeit while typically holding an opposing view): hubiestubert, Weaver95, and Ricardo Klement. The current iteration of the GOP has caused hubie to disassociate from them and their candidates, Weaver to switch affiliation to the Democrats, and Ricardo to forgo posting almost completely. I think the debate here suffers for it.
 
2013-08-07 10:51:53 AM  
A more effective strategy will be the death of a thousand cuts. First up should be a vote on the unpopular individual mandate. Let Dems try to defend keeping that in effect while (illegally, I might add) delaying the employer mandate.
 
2013-08-07 10:51:59 AM  

ReverendJasen: mephox: Mike_LowELL: Funny how the only people who support Taxbongocare are one bad illness away from bankruptcy.  Pretty much tells you what kind of poor, unsuccessful people we're dealing with here.

Not sure if Poe. Or troll.

Considering every post he makes raises this question, we must start assuming the latter.
He's already used up all his benefit of Poe-doubt from me.  I'll give everybody a couple.


He's definitely trolling, sometimes even Poe's law trolling, but my god you should read some of his stuff from the Sports tab. I would pay good money to have him commentate on sports instead of those gasbags at ESPN. One of the most insightful commenters on the Sports tab, in my opinion.
 
2013-08-07 10:54:12 AM  
"We need to show the American people we stand for conservative values," the woman shouted, drawing a smattering of applause.

Shutting down the government... a conservative value. Please proceed.
 
2013-08-07 10:54:37 AM  
I'm waiting til they embrace 'Freedom is Slavery'.

We aren't far, now.

At that point, I'm going to try to get hired on as the GOP marketing director. We'll put these banners everywhere!

"Afraid? Don't be!"
"War is Peace!"

"Why deal with Liberal Thought?"
"Ignorance is Strength!"

"Why should *they* get to vote?"
"Freedom is Slavery"

I'd retire a brazillionaire.
 
2013-08-07 10:55:52 AM  

jjorsett: A more effective strategy will be the death of a thousand cuts. First up should be a vote on the unpopular individual mandate. Let Dems try to defend keeping that in effect while (illegally, I might add) delaying the employer mandate.


Wasting over a hundred million dollars is absurd. It isn't going to pass the Senate.
 
2013-08-07 11:35:32 AM  

naughtyrev: "Do you want the thoughtful answer?" Pittenger asked.
"I want yes or no," the man said.


Well, that about sums it up.


"I don't do nuance ."-U NO HOO
 
2013-08-07 12:48:35 PM  
the tea party is full of children.
 
2013-08-07 01:05:14 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: "Do you want the thoughtful answer?" Pittenger asked.
"I want yes or no," the man said.
Pittenger then said "no,"

This exchange perfectly embodies what's wrong with our society.  It's not like we have any more or less morons than anywhere else in the world.  The difference is that we celebrate ours.  That worthless teabagger should have been shamed and humiliated into silence after saying that for being such a thoughtless idiot.  His picture should be on the front page of the local paper next to a headline that says, "Look how farking dumb this guy is."  Instead, we treat it like absolutely acceptable behavior.  We even reward it to the point that they're no different than spoiled children who scream and yell and stamp their feet but can't even articulate what it is that they want or why they want it.

"We need to show the American people we stand for conservative values," the woman shouted, drawing a smattering of applause.

They stand for nothing but being difficult for the sake of being difficult.  No substance, no foresight.  Nothing.


Questioner: Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy as Obama has expressly supported this policy? Why are you supporting it?
Frank: When you ask me that question I am gonna revert to my ethnic heritage and answer your question with a question: On what planet do you spend most of your time? [...] As you stand there with a picture of the President defaced to look like Hitler, and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis, my answer to you is, as I said before, it is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated. Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table: I have no interest in doing it.
 
2013-08-07 01:31:53 PM  

bertor_vidas: The current iteration of the GOP has caused hubie to disassociate from them and their candidates, Weaver to switch affiliation to the Democrats, and Ricardo to forgo posting almost completely. I think the debate here suffers for it.


Sadly, the current iteration of the GOP does not condone debate.  It's their way or the highway.  The modern GOP is only defensible or debatable to those living in the GOP echo chamber of Fox News, Limbaugh, Malkin, Coulter and the rest.

Then you must keep in mind that Reagan (a saint and perfect in every way in the eyes of the modern GOP) had many positions that would be considered to the LEFT of the Obama administration.  This is something that may be pointed out to the modern GOP, but they will simply ignore it.  (They seem to have as much understanding of Reagan has his policies as they do of the Bibles they dearly cling to.)

I'm really hoping the Republican Party can turn back towards sanity, and I was hoping the soul searching done after the 2012 elections would have led them there, but that was apparently wishful thinking on my part.  It's highly likely I'll be removing my name from the GOP rolls after the 2014 election.
 
2013-08-07 01:40:15 PM  

hubiestubert: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: "Do you think Harry Reid is going to pass that in the Senate?" Pittenger asked.

"It doesn't matter," the man fired back.

"We need to show the American people we stand for conservative values," the woman shouted, drawing a smattering of applause.

The irony that never hits them is that the original Boston Tea Party participants were anything but conservative.

Good Conservatism is about pragmatism and a measured approach to governing. It requires thought, it looks to consequences both intended and unintended. It is about reducing systemic imbalances, it is not the radicalized notions that have taken the party by storm, and part of that is because the radicals get headlines, and they give a fair amount of cash for the outrage de jour. And that folks like to call their radicalism Conservatism because it makes them seem more reasonable. Calling this radicalism "Conservatism" is a cloak that abandons what the party stood for, and part of that was the Southern Strategy, part of that has to do with the naked Corporatism that has infested the party, and part of that was embracing the NeoCons who were the radical fringe, and making them the intellectual "base" to act as a foundation, and those folks have invested a great deal of time and effort to shift the Overton Window to embrace these radicals in the public eye. When the party began to focus on publishing as a means to shift public perception, with essentially publishing houses and think tanks to produce studies to support their ideas, as opposed to doing actual research, that was the start of shifting public perception. When that didn't produce the desired effect, multi-media was engaged, now with entire news organizations and websites dedicated to producing "narrative" as opposed to actual news. It is a strategy that has worked, in the sense that we have a lot of folks who now don't trust news sources specifically because they differ in ideology, the difficulty being, that reality is often ma ...


When are you going to run for something? Hubiestubert (I-AZ) looks rather decent in print, does it not?
 
2013-08-07 02:33:19 PM  

Dog Welder: I'm really hoping the Republican Party can turn back towards sanity, and I was hoping the soul searching done after the 2012 elections would have led them there, but that was apparently wishful thinking on my part. It's highly likely I'll be removing my name from the GOP rolls after the 2014 election.


At this point, it's about time for all the people who have left them and what moderates are left behind there to leave and start a new party.

Call it the Grand New Party.

Could even do a little clever thing with relating the initials and the Gross National Product.
 
2013-08-07 02:49:49 PM  

LrdPhoenix: Dog Welder: I'm really hoping the Republican Party can turn back towards sanity, and I was hoping the soul searching done after the 2012 elections would have led them there, but that was apparently wishful thinking on my part. It's highly likely I'll be removing my name from the GOP rolls after the 2014 election.

At this point, it's about time for all the people who have left them and what moderates are left behind there to leave and start a new party.

Call it the Grand New Party.

Could even do a little clever thing with relating the initials and the Gross National Product.


But why should we be the ones to leave?  They're the ones who suck.
 
2013-08-07 02:55:12 PM  

Jim_Callahan: xanadian: FTFA:  "Do you want the thoughtful answer?" Pittenger asked.

...said the Republican congresscritter.

There may be hope yet.

As we've brought up before, there are sane people in the GOP, the US news media has just decided for whatever reason that we don't want to hear from them and it should be all Tea Party, all the time.

Which is appropriate to a point, because it IS the Tea Party that's causing shiat to go to hell, but isn't entirely fair since it presents a picture of the party that's largely incorrect: the GOP isn't a single party that's 100% nuts, it's a two-faction party with the sane faction in open war with the populist faction.  The Dems have had similar issues in the past, though perhaps not quite as badly.


I'd like to see your list of names of these "sane" goppers. Is this the same crew who were leading us into useless wars and destroying our economy? That faction?
 
2013-08-07 03:12:47 PM  

jjorsett: A more effective strategy will be the death of a thousand cuts. First up should be a vote on the unpopular individual mandate. Let Dems try to defend keeping that in effect while (illegally, I might add) delaying the employer mandate.


Your idiot comment, while not worth debating by itself, brings up an interesting point. How can the administration morally support leaving the individual mandate while delaying the employer mandate? Are we really going to be forced to purchase insurance on the open market for a year? It's not like these exchanges will be ready in time in all states.
 
2013-08-07 03:30:22 PM  

Dog Welder: LrdPhoenix: Dog Welder: I'm really hoping the Republican Party can turn back towards sanity, and I was hoping the soul searching done after the 2012 elections would have led them there, but that was apparently wishful thinking on my part. It's highly likely I'll be removing my name from the GOP rolls after the 2014 election.

At this point, it's about time for all the people who have left them and what moderates are left behind there to leave and start a new party.

Call it the Grand New Party.

Could even do a little clever thing with relating the initials and the Gross National Product.

But why should we be the ones to leave?  They're the ones who suck.


Because it's been tainted beyond repair.  At best you can drive them back a bit, but they'll always be there, watching, waiting for their chance to seize power once more, and even then you'll still be stuck with the stigma.

Best to do it before they decide to leave and start their own party because you're not conservative enough, leaving you stuck with a damaged name and them with another opportunity to insidiously pass themselves off as something they're not.
 
2013-08-08 08:46:25 AM  
Regardless of your political leanings, this guy is another typical, lying POS. From his website:


farm4.staticflickr.com pittinger by airyanne99, on Flickr
 
2013-08-08 10:43:14 AM  
"We need to show the American people we stand for conservative values"

So, the passionate pursuit of a goal that is literally impossible to achieve is a "conservative value?"
 
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