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(Onion AV Club)   Neil Gaiman claims Steven Moffat offered the role of Doctor Who to a "minority actor," but that person "turned it down"   (avclub.com) divider line 122
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2013-08-06 11:15:26 PM  
Was it Paul Winfield? Because a Doctor Who/Star Trek/227 crossover would have been cool.

I bet he only turned it down because he's dead.
 
2013-08-06 11:28:16 PM  
Idris Elba?
 
2013-08-06 11:39:33 PM  
was it this guy?
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-07 12:12:17 AM  
blogs.thestage.co.uk
 
2013-08-07 12:33:06 AM  

ManateeGag: was it this guy?


...and you thought people complained that the Doctor thought he was a God in the RTD days.
 
2013-08-07 12:40:04 AM  
I thought that only Americans were obsessed with their tv casts being equal opportunity?
 
2013-08-07 12:43:06 AM  
Man, it's such a bummer that there's only two male minority actors in all of Britain.

/not bothered by the Doctor's race/ethnicity
//pretty happy with Peter Capaldi
 
2013-08-07 12:53:07 AM  
I'm pretty sure Gallifreyan is a minority.
 
2013-08-07 01:00:49 AM  

Nogrhi: [blogs.thestage.co.uk image 625x310]


That could have brought on unparalleled levels of awesome.

/Though Chiwetel Ejiofor would have been my pick.
//Richard Brooks would have been good too, but they'd have a black woman as the Doctor before an American...
 
2013-08-07 01:01:14 AM  
Cosby insisted on final wardrobe approval
 
2013-08-07 01:11:12 AM  

Gig103: I thought that only Americans were obsessed with their tv casts being equal opportunity?


I was rooting for Idris Elba not because he's black, but because he's an awesome actor and I think he would have been very fun in the role.

I'm happy with Capaldi though, I think he'll do a great job.
 
2013-08-07 01:53:15 AM  

Nogrhi: [blogs.thestage.co.uk image 625x310]


Exactly.  This could have been awesome!  Maybe with a new showrunner in a few years - Gallifrey knows Moffat is pissing people off left and right, and the most recent season had a higher "shiatty vs good" ratio lately.

/Neil Gaiman for showrunner maybe?
// Moffat doesn't know how to write good female characters, either
/// Capaldi is going to be good though, imho. He can do science/technobabble really well I've heard
 
2013-08-07 02:01:35 AM  

ManateeGag: was it this guy?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x305]


Go on!  Go on!  Go on!  Go on!
 
2013-08-07 02:02:45 AM  
They so should have cast Peter Dinklage.
 
2013-08-07 02:04:03 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Gig103: I thought that only Americans were obsessed with their tv casts being equal opportunity?

I was rooting for Idris Elba not because he's black, but because he's an awesome actor and I think he would have been very fun in the role.

I'm happy with Capaldi though, I think he'll do a great job.


I was rooting against Elba only because I think he needs to be the next Bond, not the next Doctor.
 
2013-08-07 02:09:08 AM  
Idris Elba, Chiwetel Ejiofor, David Harewood

No idea who that last guy is, but I'd have been pleased as punch with either of the first two.

I'm sure Capaldi will be fine. And sadly it looks like Ferguson taped his shows last week, because he didn't mention it last night.
 
2013-08-07 02:12:37 AM  
Given that Peter Capaldi is of Italian descent but grew up in Scotland, I'd say he's got to count as a minority actor.

TFA says that Gaiman said "Black" which is a bit more specific; I'm sure if it was Idris, he turned it down as his movie career is just taking off at the moment.
 
2013-08-07 02:14:01 AM  
Will Smith or Samuel L. Jackson?
 
2013-08-07 02:14:02 AM  

Lith: They so should have cast Peter Dinklage.


"The Daleks want them all dead... the Cybermen want them all assimilated... why are all the alien races such vicious coonts? Where's the race of tits and wine?"
 
2013-08-07 02:16:54 AM  

ManateeGag: was it this guy?
[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x305]


Would have been awesome if it was, even though he's American, and older than dirt, and a college professor (though he did do taped lectures sometimes in his Deep Space Nine Starfleet costume). Hell, forget Star Trek, just him as Hawk on Spencer for Hire should have made him qualified to be the next Doctor Who.
 
2013-08-07 02:17:28 AM  

brigid_fitch: Idris Elba?


"You know...that black guy who's British. what's his name?"
 
2013-08-07 02:33:52 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: I was rooting for Idris Elba not because he's black, but because he's an awesome actor and I think he would have been very fun in the role.


You'd be (I'm sorry) in the minority on that one. The Fark discussions initially started with "The Doctor needs to be black, and here is the black guy I want to see as the Doctor..."

The same with the woman angle. Never "I'd like to see ______ because they are good," the suggestions were all about actors that can fill some magical minority quota.

That changed after some of us pointed that out, but still... kinda stupid.
 
2013-08-07 02:37:10 AM  
i.imgur.com

More like this.

/Elba's way, way, way too big for Dr. Who
//Ejiofor might be as well
 
2013-08-07 02:38:58 AM  
In related news, Neil F*CKING Gaiman puts his name into the news cycle for another day.
 
2013-08-07 02:41:12 AM  
 
2013-08-07 02:47:03 AM  
 
2013-08-07 03:02:39 AM  
Man, RoyBatty, they've really got their knickers in a bunch, haven't they?

I'm sure the BBC and all the powers that be at "Doctor Who" are just gung-ho to risk one of their most successful products by changing the entire relationship dynamic of the show. That couldn't possibly go sideways.

They're taking a big enough risk casting the oldest actor in 50 years. Maybe, someday, they'll get around to a woman Doctor. But it's idiotic to act like that kind of decision is made in a vacuum.
 
2013-08-07 03:04:53 AM  

log_jammin: brigid_fitch: Idris Elba?

"You know...that black guy who's British. what's his name?"


Mod Def?

Lenny Henry?
 
2013-08-07 03:08:47 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Lenny Henry?


That's who I'm wondering about. He and Gaiman are friends, and have worked with one another in the past (co-creating Neverwhere).
 
2013-08-07 03:23:55 AM  

Nogrhi: [blogs.thestage.co.uk image 625x310]


Richard Ayoade would be fantastic as the Doctor.
 
2013-08-07 03:41:09 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: ManateeGag: was it this guy?

...and you thought people complained that the Doctor thought he was a God in the RTD days.


He wasn't a God. Just Bajoran Jesus.
 
2013-08-07 03:41:57 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Given that Peter Capaldi is of Italian descent but grew up in Scotland, I'd say he's got to count as a minority actor.


Not really. Being able to trace your ancestry back to a country other than the one you grew up in makes him part of the group called "everyone". There are about 100,000 people in Scotland with known Italian ancestry, most of it going back a century or more, and generally the only Italian thing about them is a surname.
 
2013-08-07 03:45:38 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Man, RoyBatty, they've really got their knickers in a bunch, haven't they?

I'm sure the BBC and all the powers that be at "Doctor Who" are just gung-ho to risk one of their most successful products by changing the entire relationship dynamic of the show. That couldn't possibly go sideways.

They're taking a big enough risk casting the oldest actor in 50 years. Maybe, someday, they'll get around to a woman Doctor. But it's idiotic to act like that kind of decision is made in a vacuum.


I'm not sure if this has been mentioned (it was redlit for me earlier this evening)

http://www.digitalspy.com/british-tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a503989/stev en -moffat-on-female-doctor-who-rumors-it-didnt-feel-right.html

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-07 04:12:08 AM  
Lenny Henry would have been great. Maybe next time.

/gingers are a minority too damnit!
//Grint 2020
 
2013-08-07 04:24:42 AM  

RoyBatty: 100 Watt Walrus: Man, RoyBatty, they've really got their knickers in a bunch, haven't they?

I'm sure the BBC and all the powers that be at "Doctor Who" are just gung-ho to risk one of their most successful products by changing the entire relationship dynamic of the show. That couldn't possibly go sideways.

They're taking a big enough risk casting the oldest actor in 50 years. Maybe, someday, they'll get around to a woman Doctor. But it's idiotic to act like that kind of decision is made in a vacuum.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned (it was redlit for me earlier this evening)

http://www.digitalspy.com/british-tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a503989/stev en -moffat-on-female-doctor-who-rumors-it-didnt-feel-right.html

[i.imgur.com image 627x196]


There's also the things that Moffat said when Smith was cast: that he'd wanted to go older after Tennant, but "As soon as Matt walked through the door and blew us away with a bold and brand new take on the Time Lord, we knew we had our man."

So I never bought into all this fussing about the possibility of casting a wider sex/ethnicity net in the search for the 12th Doctor. My guess is that Moffat just picked up where he'd left off in 2009. Kind of a "who would we have been looking at if Smith hadn't walked through that door?"

He went right back to looking for an older actor, and at this point it was the right thing to do. Baby steps for the sake of preserving the franchise. Start with a Doctor who is much older than the NuWho-only fans would expect. Then next time, maybe a black actor. Then after that one more white guy in his 30s, just to say, "the Doctor will not become a parade of PC casting." Then...then maybe a woman. (But keep in mind that the Doctor must always be someone who can instantly command authority no matter what time period, and that will be extremely difficult in Earth's past for even the most commanding woman.)

Of course, any of this could be thrown off by another Smith-like actor blowing them away. Any ideas about expanding the Doctor's racial and sexual repertoire has to take a back seat to having an extraordinary actor walk through the door.

But that's my prediction:
12 - middle-aged
13 - black male in his 40s
14 - white guy in his 30s
15 - female, and I'd guess in her late 30s.

Assuming each actor plays the role for 3-4 years, that puts a female Doctor ~12 years off (assuming the show lasts that long).

So, if we want to start speculating about casting (as long as I've pulled all this out of my but this far), we need to be looking at actresses who are about 28 right now, who might be able to play a woman who has spent 1300 years as a man and is trying to come to terms with that, is smarter than everyone around her, and who has the chutzpah of a River Song (as noted above, men in all times in history will have to take her seriously).

While it will probably be someone we haven't even heard of at this point, I'm gonna go out on a limb and have a little fun by predicting the one actress that would instantly make every Whovian stand up and applaud (assuming she ages well):

i.imgur.com


Book it. Carey Mulligan. 15th Doctor. Summer 2525.
 
2013-08-07 04:38:50 AM  

I Ate Shergar: Dwight_Yeast: Given that Peter Capaldi is of Italian descent but grew up in Scotland, I'd say he's got to count as a minority actor.

Not really. Being able to trace your ancestry back to a country other than the one you grew up in makes him part of the group called "everyone". There are about 100,000 people in Scotland with known Italian ancestry, most of it going back a century or more, and generally the only Italian thing about them is a surname.


Would you like to have grown up in Scotland with an Italian surname?

Other parts of the UK, it's a different matter; there have been Italians in the East End of London since the reign of Henry VIII.
 
2013-08-07 04:42:30 AM  
thegrio.files.wordpress.com

"My name... is The Doctor..."

/admit it, you read that in his voice
//I wear a lion pelt now, lion pelts are cool
 
2013-08-07 04:49:18 AM  
I don't know if I'll be happy with Capaldi since his work on Torchwood. I'm willing to give him a shot but he really seems to play the same character in the three things I've watched him in.
 
2013-08-07 05:19:33 AM  
Gaiman gave a "well-reasoned response" to why he doesn't think the timing is right for a female doctor? Am I missing something because all he said was it didn't ~feel~ right because thought storytelling demanded this doctor be a little older, harder, and wiser than Smith's which obviously =/=female?)
 
2013-08-07 05:33:03 AM  

TV's Vinnie: In related news, Neil F*CKING Gaiman puts his name into the news cycle for another day.


His wife taught him how to be an AW like her.
 
2013-08-07 05:42:04 AM  

Lith: They so should have cast Peter Dinklage.


I'd pay good money to see that; Dinklage going on with a stream of technobabble, while dragging a stepladder around the TARDIS controls...

10: Alon-se!
11: Geronimo!
12: Christ... Just out of reach. AGAIN!

Have a whole episode with him standing on coffee-can stilts; "There - I'm looking at your EYES now, Clara - Satisfied?"

He punctuates his victories with a half-step Oompa-loompa finish and a "Doodly-Do."
 
2013-08-07 05:46:42 AM  

100 Watt Walrus: Book it. Carey Mulligan. 15th Doctor. Summer 2525.


No, I haven't watched the show since the statue/angel things started showing up, but has something happened that will allow for a 15th Doctor?  Or a 14th for that matter?  Twelve regenerations, so sayeth the fourth and greatest Doctor, Tom Baker.  That means 13 doctors.
 
2013-08-07 05:47:43 AM  

The Martian Manhandler: Dwight_Yeast: Lenny Henry?

That's who I'm wondering about. He and Gaiman are friends, and have worked with one another in the past (co-creating Neverwhere).


Being a Time Lord is a serious profession.
 
2013-08-07 05:48:12 AM  
That was supposed to start with "Now, I haven't watched the show" not "No".
 
2013-08-07 06:01:16 AM  

timujin: 100 Watt Walrus: Book it. Carey Mulligan. 15th Doctor. Summer 2525.

No, I haven't watched the show since the statue/angel things started showing up, but has something happened that will allow for a 15th Doctor?  Or a 14th for that matter?  Twelve regenerations, so sayeth the fourth and greatest Doctor, Tom Baker.  That means 13 doctors.


Plenty has happened to allow them to fudge it; River Song transferred about 9 regens to him, The Big Bang 2, who-knows-what in the Time War (If I were Timelords at war - where people get killed - the first thing I'd do is kill the regen limit... That's what I do in video games...) Supposedly, in a Sarah Jane Adventures show he said he had 500 or so...

It's not old school, but you'll live with it. I mean, are you REALLY suggesting they just hang the show up after this guy (Called "Doctor" or not, Hurt was a regen)? "Oh well, we said 12 in the seventies, so.. Bye!"
 
2013-08-07 06:17:07 AM  

perigee: timujin: 100 Watt Walrus: Book it. Carey Mulligan. 15th Doctor. Summer 2525.

No, I haven't watched the show since the statue/angel things started showing up, but has something happened that will allow for a 15th Doctor?  Or a 14th for that matter?  Twelve regenerations, so sayeth the fourth and greatest Doctor, Tom Baker.  That means 13 doctors.

Plenty has happened to allow them to fudge it; River Song transferred about 9 regens to him, The Big Bang 2, who-knows-what in the Time War (If I were Timelords at war - where people get killed - the first thing I'd do is kill the regen limit... That's what I do in video games...) Supposedly, in a Sarah Jane Adventures show he said he had 500 or so...

It's not old school, but you'll live with it. I mean, are you REALLY suggesting they just hang the show up after this guy (Called "Doctor" or not, Hurt was a regen)? "Oh well, we said 12 in the seventies, so.. Bye!"


1) If you like Baker, you really should watch Smith's seasons 5 and 6.

2) River Song didn't "transfer" any regenerations to the Doctor. She "used all her remaining regenerations in one go" to bring the Doctor back to life. The has never been any mention of a transfer in any way, shape or form.

3) It's been at the very least implied, and I would argue outright stated, since Troughton>Pertwee that the Time Lords had at least some control over how many regenerations were allowed. For example, at one point they'd given the Master a whole new 13-pack of regenerations. There's a lot of argument, especially on Fark, about how they'll handle additional regenerations. But I don't understand how anyone can think the question isn't settled. The Time Lords are gone, and so are the rules. Smith as much as said so in "Sarah Jane Adventures," and even if it weren't settled, as noted by perigee, it's not like they're going to cancel the show when Capaldi's done.
 
2013-08-07 06:32:49 AM  

Dave The Slushy: //Grint 2020


Grint's getting a show on ABC with Stephen Fry this fall, so even if he was asked, he turned it down.
 
2013-08-07 06:43:00 AM  
I know everyone the media asked denied everything and basically said, "Yeah, that be awesome but they haven't contacted me".  Except Idris, who kind of sounded like he thought Dr. Who was a stupid show and he culdn't be bothered to give a shiat about it
 
2013-08-07 07:04:18 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Dave The Slushy: //Grint 2020

Grint's getting a show on ABC with Stephen Fry this fall, so even if he was asked, he turned it down.


It wasn't picked up. Lineup was announced several weeks ago.
 
2013-08-07 07:06:57 AM  

perigee: 10: Allons-y !


RLPV (réparé-le pour vous)
 
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