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(Yahoo)   As Johnny Manziel gets investigated, and the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit approaches trial, the NCAA continues to insist that jersey sales aren't connected to individual players. Jay Bilas spends five minutes debunking that argument   (sports.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2013-08-07 03:41:45 AM  
hurf durf they get a free ride furf burf they should be happy to expose there talents zurf purf
 
2013-08-07 04:43:44 AM  
Do ya know what jersey sales ARE connected to!!??

Frakloads and frakloads of FORUM SPAM.

Mostly from Gods Damned China.

Biatches.
 
2013-08-07 05:03:23 AM  

Kittypie070: Mostly from Gods Damned China.


You're just mad that the Chinese are more passionate about ncaa jersey sales than you are.
 
2013-08-07 06:30:58 AM  
If you don't want to follow the NCAA's rules then don't sign a document saying you will. Johnny Football could have gone to play in Canada or the Arena league if he wanted to. Ed O'Bannon could have played overseas instead of going to UCLA. Any baseball player can play in the minor leagues instead of going to college. There ain't no slavery no more.
 
2013-08-07 06:44:35 AM  

Emrick: If you don't want to follow the NCAA's rules then don't sign a document saying you will.


Step 1: EVERY ATHLETE SHULD GO TOO COLEGE BECUSE THERE NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO MAKE GOOD LIEF DECISIONS
Step 2: O BTW BEFORE U GO TO COLEGE SIGN THIS CONTRACT WHERE U GIVE AWAY ALL YOURE RIGHTS LOLL
Step 3: Lol.
 
2013-08-07 06:51:03 AM  
Big time commercial sports and college don't mix.
 
2013-08-07 06:56:03 AM  

Mike_LowELL: hurf durf they get a free ride furf burf they should be happy to expose there talents zurf purf


It's funny, I always see the "Free Ride" argument, and I wonder, do people believe that those who are walk-ons and not on a scholarship  should get paid?
 
2013-08-07 07:00:58 AM  

Emrick: If you don't want to follow the NCAA's rules then don't sign a document saying you will. Johnny Football could have gone to play in Canada or the Arena league if he wanted to. Ed O'Bannon could have played overseas instead of going to UCLA. Any baseball player can play in the minor leagues instead of going to college. There ain't no slavery no more.


But not the nfl because you aren't allowed to be part of the one financially stable employer in your trade in the country. Fail.
 
2013-08-07 07:22:04 AM  

Emrick: If you don't want to follow the NCAA's rules then don't sign a document saying you will. Johnny Football could have gone to play in Canada or the Arena league if he wanted to. Ed O'Bannon could have played overseas instead of going to UCLA. Any baseball player can play in the minor leagues instead of going to college. There ain't no slavery no more.


You have convinced me of one thing, that there is a need for a dumbass button beside the smart and funny options.
 
2013-08-07 08:06:02 AM  
I hate the comparisons of being a college athlete in a revenue sport to slavery, but making the more accurate comparison of having to work in a late 19th-century company town just doesn't grab people's attention.
 
2013-08-07 08:09:57 AM  

JohnHall: It's funny, I always see the "Free Ride" argument, and I wonder, do people believe that those who are walk-ons and not on a scholarship should get paid?


I just don't think people should be asking whether the student-athletes should get compensation beyond living and board if the average Division I football coach gets a million bucks.  But then again, if you're the athletic director and the school president, it's much easier to measure your own salary against one coach than the roster's compensation.
 
2013-08-07 08:10:18 AM  
mit.zenfs.com
 
2013-08-07 08:24:12 AM  

Mike_LowELL: JohnHall: It's funny, I always see the "Free Ride" argument, and I wonder, do people believe that those who are walk-ons and not on a scholarship should get paid?

I just don't think people should be asking whether the student-athletes should get compensation beyond living and board if the average Division I football coach gets a million bucks.  But then again, if you're the athletic director and the school president, it's much easier to measure your own salary against one coach than the roster's compensation.


But in the Manziel case, he's not being compensated by the school or the NCAA. He's merely supplying a demand on his own name.  What logical reason is there that should stop him from doing that?
 
2013-08-07 08:24:16 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Emrick: If you don't want to follow the NCAA's rules then don't sign a document saying you will.

Step 1: EVERY ATHLETE SHULD GO TOO COLEGE BECUSE THERE NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO MAKE GOOD LIEF DECISIONS
Step 2: O BTW BEFORE U GO TO COLEGE SIGN THIS CONTRACT WHERE U GIVE AWAY ALL YOURE RIGHTS LOLL
Step 3: Lol.


No one is forcing them to go to college.  Decisions have consequences. LOL
 
2013-08-07 08:38:15 AM  
The NCAA will lose this battle eventually. Every legal precedent in the world in against them, and not even the Olympics could enforce amateurism. If they were smart, they'd plan for that eventuality and gradually move to a direct compensation system, realizing that it actually more profitable for themselves in the long run if players are participating in self promotion, and businesses can get more return from their investments by advertising with individual players. More likely, however, they will destroy the entire concept of college athletics as they go down in flames.
 
2013-08-07 08:43:20 AM  

LL316: Mike_LowELL: JohnHall: It's funny, I always see the "Free Ride" argument, and I wonder, do people believe that those who are walk-ons and not on a scholarship should get paid?

I just don't think people should be asking whether the student-athletes should get compensation beyond living and board if the average Division I football coach gets a million bucks.  But then again, if you're the athletic director and the school president, it's much easier to measure your own salary against one coach than the roster's compensation.

But in the Manziel case, he's not being compensated by the school or the NCAA. He's merely supplying a demand on his own name.  What logical reason is there that should stop him from doing that?


I believe this documentary went into the philosophy and motivations behind that thought process...

cache.thisorth.at
 
2013-08-07 08:47:37 AM  
Jay Bilas is a baller. That's all that needs to be said.
 
2013-08-07 09:28:59 AM  

Emrick: If you don't want to follow the NCAA's rules then don't sign a document saying you will. Johnny Football could have gone to play in Canada or the Arena league if he wanted to. Ed O'Bannon could have played overseas instead of going to UCLA. Any baseball player can play in the minor leagues instead of going to college. There ain't no slavery no more.


1/10. If your argument is correct, then why don't more guys do this straight out of high school? Are you even familiar with arena football or the CFL? They have to play for an NCAA school for three years for a reason - it's the only realistic shot they have at making it pro.

For athletes in the pros not talented enough to make it in the pros, college is the only shot they have at making money for playing a sport. Thanks to the NCAA, they stay poor so athletic departments can be more profitable and pay their admins and coaches hundreds of thousands, and often millions, of dollars.

Emrick: Mike_LowELL: Emrick: If you don't want to follow the NCAA's rules then don't sign a document saying you will.

Step 1: EVERY ATHLETE SHULD GO TOO COLEGE BECUSE THERE NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO MAKE GOOD LIEF DECISIONS
Step 2: O BTW BEFORE U GO TO COLEGE SIGN THIS CONTRACT WHERE U GIVE AWAY ALL YOURE RIGHTS LOLL
Step 3: Lol.

No one is forcing them to go to college.  Decisions have consequences. LOL


0.5/10. See above. Almost everyone who wants to play in the NFL has to play NCAA to even get a shot. Stop kidding yourself, ya troll.
 
2013-08-07 09:31:04 AM  

Emrick: Ed O'Bannon could have played overseas instead of going to UCLA. Any baseball player can play in the minor leagues instead of going to college. There ain't no slavery no more.


Putting aside the issue of whether or not players should be paid...

How can anyone make the argument that when Jim Brown (for example) accepted a scholarship to Syracuse that he was also licensing his image to Electronic Arts for a videogame that wouldn't be released until about 50 years later when he was a retired professional athlete?

Does cutting Jim Brown in on profits generated in 2008 somehow tarnish his amateur status in 1955?
 
2013-08-07 09:50:34 AM  
Jim Brown sued over being RB 44 on the Browns all time Madden team, not the NCAA game.
 
2013-08-07 09:51:47 AM  

babysealclubber: Jay Bilas is a baller. That's all that needs to be said.


This.

Bilas is awesome.
 
2013-08-07 09:51:58 AM  
Remember, according to NCAA logic, Johnny Manziel can't make any money from signing his name, because that would be destroying the foundations of amateur athletics.

Meanwhile, it's perfectly fine for the NCAA to sell this: http://www.shopncaasports.com/catalog/product/adidas_Texas_A_And_M_Agg ies_Number_2_Replica_Football_Jersey_-_Maroon

Because "No player name on back". So of course that makes it different.
 
2013-08-07 09:52:15 AM  

Emrick: If you don't want to follow the NCAA's rules then don't sign a document saying you will. Johnny Football could have gone to play in Canada or the Arena league if he wanted to. Ed O'Bannon could have played overseas instead of going to UCLA. Any baseball player can play in the minor leagues instead of going to college. There ain't no slavery no more.


If there were real alternatives you may have a point. The NBA has banned high school players from its draft. The Arena League isn't football and Canada is not a stepping stone to the NFL for many. I don't think the CFL will take high school players anyway. College baseball isn't even on this level. The NCAA has a monopoly and their affiliated schools profit off their star players. If you want to keep it at the amateur level, quit selling the jerseys. Quit marketing it on the same level as pro sports.  Quit paying ADs and coaches millions of dollars.
 
2013-08-07 09:56:59 AM  

LL316: Mike_LowELL: JohnHall: It's funny, I always see the "Free Ride" argument, and I wonder, do people believe that those who are walk-ons and not on a scholarship should get paid?

I just don't think people should be asking whether the student-athletes should get compensation beyond living and board if the average Division I football coach gets a million bucks.  But then again, if you're the athletic director and the school president, it's much easier to measure your own salary against one coach than the roster's compensation.

But in the Manziel case, he's not being compensated by the school or the NCAA. He's merely supplying a demand on his own name.  What logical reason is there that should stop him from doing that?


The sanctity of amateurism.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!
 
2013-08-07 10:13:07 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Jim Brown sued over being RB 44 on the Browns all time Madden team, not the NCAA game.


I'm not referring to Brown's case against the NFL.

The Ed O'Bannon case is a class action, and is brought on behalf of all NCAA athletes who's likenesses were used in video games without compensation. Brown's doppleganger appears on at least one all-time Syracuse team in EA's NCAA football series, and he is almost certainly part of the class in the O'Bannon suit.
 
2013-08-07 10:18:48 AM  
The NCAA has a monopoly.  What is the alternative for football players?
 
2013-08-07 10:25:37 AM  
Ah ok I didn't know Jim Brown was in that one too
 
2013-08-07 10:28:46 AM  

Emrick: No one is forcing them to go to college. Decisions have consequences. LOL


Ugh.  Yeah, everyone else covered this one for me.

LL316: But in the Manziel case, he's not being compensated by the school or the NCAA. He's merely supplying a demand on his own name. What logical reason is there that should stop him from doing that?


Nothing.  I agree with you.
 
2013-08-07 11:09:30 AM  
So, getting a $30,000 a year college education for free and not having to worry about student loans after getting out is not compensation?

Regardless of that, he knew the rules going in, saw others get caught and face the consequences,  and signed a deal anyway. It is remarkably douchey of Manziel if he thought the NCAA would change their rules just for him.

And a pro-tip. Several college athletes drew NCAA suspicion just for being seen rolling around in shiatty used cars. When you spend the summer peacocking around red carpet events and sitting courtside at the NBA Finals, you might as well paint a bullseye on your chest.
 
2013-08-07 11:23:31 AM  
I don't anyone is reasonably arguing that the scholarship isn't a form of compensation. What we're saying is, the compensation is clearly inadequate, and the concept that players are not allowed to make additional money off their fame while they are players is silly. Nowhere else on earth are athletes effectively forced through this bottleneck of half-assed amateurism. The Olympics don't even bother with it, they don't care if an athlete has a shoe deal, because they shouldn't.

And notice I said "effectively" forced. Every person that says football and basketball players can do something else are intentionally being disingenuous; you know that almost no players get to the NFL outside of the NCAA de facto farm system. Eric Swann was a complete anomaly. Oh, and the CFL has restrictions on how many non-Canadians you can have on a roster; so don't trot that out as a viable alternative, either.

Players don't have to get paid, they just have to get out from under this absurd system where the institutions make a disproportionate amount of revenue compared to the labor that generates the demand. Allowing players to sign endorsement deals is about the best start to fixing the system that exists, because the NCAA sure as hell isn't going to separate competitive athletics from the universities.
 
2013-08-07 11:32:18 AM  

ElwoodCuse: Ah ok I didn't know Jim Brown was in that one too


Just to be clear - I don't *know* that he is. He looks like he's part of that class described in the suit, but I haven't actually read the filings and even then it's possible that he opted out.

He's a good example though, since it's tough to argue that he licensed rights to a technology that wasn't invented until decades after his amateur status ended.
 
2013-08-07 11:49:20 AM  
The scholarship is not compensation. If it was, the athletes would be employees. And they would have all kinds of additional legal protection. And oh boy does the NCAA not want that.
 
2013-08-07 12:05:45 PM  

UNC_Samurai: you know that almost no players get to the NFL outside of the NCAA de facto farm system


That's not really the NCAA's fault, though. That's on the NFL. So why does the NCAA have to get f*cked over because the NFL is too cheap to run their own developmental league like every other sport?

/players have the right to make money via autographs and such after their eligibility is up
//money that, were the NCAA not a thing, they never would have had the opportunity to make
 
2013-08-07 12:16:48 PM  

MFAWG: LL316: Mike_LowELL: JohnHall: It's funny, I always see the "Free Ride" argument, and I wonder, do people believe that those who are walk-ons and not on a scholarship should get paid?

I just don't think people should be asking whether the student-athletes should get compensation beyond living and board if the average Division I football coach gets a million bucks.  But then again, if you're the athletic director and the school president, it's much easier to measure your own salary against one coach than the roster's compensation.

But in the Manziel case, he's not being compensated by the school or the NCAA. He's merely supplying a demand on his own name.  What logical reason is there that should stop him from doing that?

The sanctity of amateurism.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!


Even if you wanted to seriously make that argument, it still wouldn't work. Using the Olympic amateurism model, athletes can still profit off their names. There's absolutely no reason why that shouldn't be allowed in the NCAA.

Would it be abused? Sure. But it's happening under the table anyways. Would be better if it came out into the open.
 
2013-08-07 12:17:39 PM  

IAmRight: UNC_Samurai: you know that almost no players get to the NFL outside of the NCAA de facto farm system

That's not really the NCAA's fault, though. That's on the NFL. So why does the NCAA have to get f*cked over because the NFL is too cheap to run their own developmental league like every other sport?

/players have the right to make money via autographs and such after their eligibility is up
//money that, were the NCAA not a thing, they never would have had the opportunity to make


Stopping the free money gravy train is not "f*cking the NCAA over". Hell, no one ever wants to stop the gravy train. They just want a taste of all the money is being made off of the product they are producing. The NCAA gets theirs, the schools get theirs, the TV gets theirs, the players get squat. In fact, there are rules specifically in place to make absolutely sure that they get squat.
 
2013-08-07 12:36:02 PM  
Honestly if the NCAA allowed for players to sign endorsement deals, those should take the place of their scholarship.  Make a stipulation that any player who gets an endorsement forfeits their scholarship and give that scholarship to a different student who really needs it (sciences department, track and field team, agriculture student etc).

Since many people here seem to think the free ride (which most "student athletes" don't take advantage of anyway) doesn't count as proper compensation, then that free ride should be given to a student it will actually help.  Let the football and basketball players pay their own way once they strike a deal.  That way everyone is happy.  You might even see the basketball players stay in school for more than one year.
 
2013-08-07 12:42:08 PM  

IAmRight: why does the NCAA have to get f*cked over


*CHOKE COUGH COUGH cough cough*  What, now?

The NCAA's sure as sh*t making money off their work, but they aren't getting paid enough to by a McDouble, much less pay the rent.  Between academic standards and the football they play to earn the scholarships, a lot of these kids don't have the time for a job.  And a lot of 'em don't exactly come from money.

The NCAA getting "f*cked over," though, that's a good one.  I like that.
 
2013-08-07 12:44:12 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Emrick: No one is forcing them to go to college. Decisions have consequences. LOL

Ugh. Yeah, everyone else covered this one for me.


No, they didn't.  All they pointed out was that players receive much more benefit by playing for an NCAA school than by following any of the alternatives I mentioned.  More proof that decisions have consequences.  LOL.

Willas Tyrell: Does cutting Jim Brown in on profits generated in 2008 somehow tarnish his amateur status in 1955?


That is a different issue, and I think we agree that the NCAA is screwing Jim Brown out of some dough.
 
2013-08-07 12:50:23 PM  

ten foiled hats: The NCAA's sure as sh*t making money off their work, but they aren't getting paid enough to by a McDouble, much less pay the rent.


You're aware that they do pay them a stipend that more than covers rent, right?

The reason that the NCAA maintains rights to the likenesses of the players WHILE THEY WERE IN COLLEGE is because they have a ton invested in those brands and really don't want, say, OJ Simpson going out there and playing up his ties to USC or people going out and making a ton of Aaron Hernandez jerseys nowadays.

The NCAA does not have the rights to the likenesses of the players that are no longer in college.

But it's cute how everyone rallies when it's the spoiled rich white kid being "discriminated against."

Also, HOW DARE THE NCAA OPTIMIZE THEIR WEB STORE! CORRUPTION
 
2013-08-07 12:52:26 PM  

Emrick: That is a different issue, and I think we agree that the NCAA is screwing Jim Brown out of some dough.


So you think they should have to pay every single player featured in a game to use their "likeness"? Goodbye, NCAA Football, which already doesn't have anyone's names in it (or didn't the last time I bought one). Unless you want to start dropping $200+ on a game.
 
2013-08-07 12:54:15 PM  

IAmRight: ten foiled hats: The NCAA's sure as sh*t making money off their work, but they aren't getting paid enough to by a McDouble, much less pay the rent.

You're aware that they do pay them a stipend that more than covers rent, right?

The reason that the NCAA maintains rights to the likenesses of the players WHILE THEY WERE IN COLLEGE is because they have a ton invested in those brands and really don't want, say, OJ Simpson going out there and playing up his ties to USC or people going out and making a ton of Aaron Hernandez jerseys nowadays.

The NCAA does not have the rights to the likenesses of the players that are no longer in college.

But it's cute how everyone rallies when it's the spoiled rich white kid being "discriminated against."

Also, HOW DARE THE NCAA OPTIMIZE THEIR WEB STORE! CORRUPTION


Charitably, I'll say this is a devil's advocate argument. Acknowledging that they market the jersies based upon specific players, as this proves they do, flies in the face of everything they've maintained up until now.
 
2013-08-07 01:04:18 PM  

Shame Us: Acknowledging that they market the jersies based upon specific players, as this proves they do, flies in the face of everything they've maintained up until now.


That doesn't really prove they market it based on them; it proves that they make it possible for retards to find what they're looking for.

/I'm also fine with preventing the schools/NCAA from selling such merchandise
//what kind of moron buys a college jersey of a guy who says he can't wait to get the f*ck out of your college?
///also, who is this No. 25 on their team? And who is No. 31 on their basketball team that anyone's buying their jersey (went to their team store and those are the numbers that aren't No. 12 (12th man) or customizable jerseys
 
2013-08-07 01:13:32 PM  

IAmRight: So you think they should have to pay every single player featured in a game to use their "likeness"? Goodbye, NCAA Football, which already doesn't have anyone's names in it (or didn't the last time I bought one). Unless you want to start dropping $200+ on a game.


No, I think Jim Brown probably didn't sign over his image rights to the NCAA when he went to Syracuse in the 1950's.  I could certainly be wrong about that.

The main issue as I see it is O'Bannon & Co. freely signed away their rights to profit from their images.  I am assuming Jim Brown didn't do that.  Again, I could be wrong.
 
2013-08-07 01:14:49 PM  

IAmRight: Emrick: That is a different issue, and I think we agree that the NCAA is screwing Jim Brown out of some dough.

So you think they should have to pay every single player featured in a game to use their "likeness"? Goodbye, NCAA Football, which already doesn't have anyone's names in it (or didn't the last time I bought one). Unless you want to start dropping $200+ on a game.


Of f*cking course they should. Just like everyone else has the right to be paid when someone sells their likeness.
 
2013-08-07 01:18:03 PM  

IAmRight: Shame Us: Acknowledging that they market the jersies based upon specific players, as this proves they do, flies in the face of everything they've maintained up until now.

That doesn't really prove they market it based on them; it proves that they make it possible for retards to find what they're looking for.

/I'm also fine with preventing the schools/NCAA from selling such merchandise
//what kind of moron buys a college jersey of a guy who says he can't wait to get the f*ck out of your college?
///also, who is this No. 25 on their team? And who is No. 31 on their basketball team that anyone's buying their jersey (went to their team store and those are the numbers that aren't No. 12 (12th man) or customizable jerseys


Well, a judge is going to decide at some point here and this is certainly not going to be a point in the NCAAs favor. The fact that they disabled the search function shortly after Bilas pointed it out won't reflect well either.

I guess I just don't understand your vehement defense of the obviously arcane, shiatty business practices of the NCAA. To each his own, though.
 
2013-08-07 01:18:04 PM  

IAmRight: So you think they should have to pay every single player featured in a game to use their "likeness"? Goodbye, NCAA Football,


NCAA football is ending already.  The NCAA isn't renewing their contract with EA
 
2013-08-07 02:18:09 PM  

degenerate-afro: IAmRight: So you think they should have to pay every single player featured in a game to use their "likeness"? Goodbye, NCAA Football,

NCAA football is ending already.  The NCAA isn't renewing their contract with EA


But it's totally not about the lawsuit, they're definitely going to win that.
 
2013-08-07 02:25:44 PM  

Shame Us: Of f*cking course they should. Just like everyone else has the right to be paid when someone sells their likeness.


Now, what do you call their likeness?

Since all the attributes are basically made up by EA, you never see the players' faces, they don't use the players' names...it's not like any number in college is attached to any specific player; the rosters turn over too often to do that. Hell, multiple guys on the same team in real life have the same number at the same time.

Shame Us: I guess I just don't understand your vehement defense of the obviously arcane, shiatty business practices of the NCAA. To each his own, though.


Basically, we're worried about the players that are already likely to be earning millions as professional football players to begin making their money earlier - no one's asking for the autographs of the guys who won't be playing pro ball; no one's offering them anything. Y'know, the MOST of the players on every team in NCAA sports who benefit from the full or partial collegiate scholarship, which helps them fulfill their life goals.

But hey, we have to be worried about the football players! F*ck all those non-revenue-sport players and the role players on the other teams. Let's give them cash...oh wait, their sport doesn't make money? F*ck you!

Sometimes things don't inherently produce money but deserve to exist anyway. All in all, if you want college football players to be paid based on the silly TV contracts, you're going to end up with no football and/or no other sports in universities, which will deny tens of thousands of student athletes...so the rich kids can get more money.

/now, if you want a blatantly booster-controlled NCAA, I suppose that won't eliminate all the other sports...it'll just eliminate all the pretense of NCAA football not being rigged
 
2013-08-07 02:54:08 PM  
When IAmRight is white knighting you on Fark, you're worse than Hitler.
 
2013-08-07 03:30:19 PM  

IAmRight: Shame Us: Of f*cking course they should. Just like everyone else has the right to be paid when someone sells their likeness.

Now, what do you call their likeness?

Since all the attributes are basically made up by EA, you never see the players' faces, they don't use the players' names...it's not like any number in college is attached to any specific player; the rosters turn over too often to do that. Hell, multiple guys on the same team in real life have the same number at the same time.

Shame Us: I guess I just don't understand your vehement defense of the obviously arcane, shiatty business practices of the NCAA. To each his own, though.

Basically, we're worried about the players that are already likely to be earning millions as professional football players to begin making their money earlier - no one's asking for the autographs of the guys who won't be playing pro ball; no one's offering them anything. Y'know, the MOST of the players on every team in NCAA sports who benefit from the full or partial collegiate scholarship, which helps them fulfill their life goals.

But hey, we have to be worried about the football players! F*ck all those non-revenue-sport players and the role players on the other teams. Let's give them cash...oh wait, their sport doesn't make money? F*ck you!

Sometimes things don't inherently produce money but deserve to exist anyway. All in all, if you want college football players to be paid based on the silly TV contracts, you're going to end up with no football and/or no other sports in universities, which will deny tens of thousands of student athletes...so the rich kids can get more money.

/now, if you want a blatantly booster-controlled NCAA, I suppose that won't eliminate all the other sports...it'll just eliminate all the pretense of NCAA football not being rigged


When you're matching numbers, hairstyles, skin color, uniform details, etc. to the real players and positions on a current NCAA football team - yes, you can make the case that a likeness is being used/sold.

As to your second bit there, your argument is that they are probably getting money at some point...so f*ck 'em. FWIW, I think it's unfortunate that people who play other sports at the NCAA level don't enjoy the same benefits of those who play in D-1 football or basketball, but that's the way it is. The TV money and the jersey sales, etc. are tied back to the football and basketball players, for the most part. Is it fair? Sure - those are the sports people want to see.

I disagree with your assertion that if you distribute a portion of the money being made off them to the people actually producing the product being sold, that that product will no longer be sustainable. It's quite the leap to make. There are billions of dollars coming into NCAA coffers. No one is asking to be paid millions of dollars before they turn pro, but a portion of jersey sales, videogame revenue and to be able to trade on your own name is not the end of the line for the NCAA or any college sport.
 
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