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2013-08-06 05:52:56 PM
Very wealthy areas always have excellent public transportation, so that the domestic laborers can get to work on time.
 
2013-08-06 06:09:06 PM
♫  Hey, ho, WTF Ohio? ♫
 
2013-08-06 06:33:08 PM
For fair consideration, expanding mass transportation routes utilized by black individuals is dangerous. They may use the transportation to travel to a polling station.
 
2013-08-06 06:40:45 PM
Didn't Georgetown biatch about having a metro station back in the day because they thought poor people were going to infiltrate their neighborhoods on a never-ending crime spree?

Who the fark uses public transportation as a getaway?
 
2013-08-06 06:40:47 PM

Fo Shiz: Very wealthy areas always have excellent public transportation, so that the domestic laborers can get to work on time.


Just the opposite, they fight public transportation tooth and nail so the poor people don't move in.  This is a civil rights thing because demographics meant it disproportionately impacted African Americans.  But don't think for a second they wouldn't be fighting bus's coming from poor white neighborhoods as well.
 
2013-08-06 06:50:05 PM

Dimensio: For fair consideration, expanding mass transportation routes utilized by black individuals is dangerous. They may use the transportation to travel to a polling station.


Townsfolk's reaction to that idea:
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/hot
 
2013-08-06 06:54:54 PM

Thoguh: Fo Shiz: Very wealthy areas always have excellent public transportation, so that the domestic laborers can get to work on time.

Just the opposite, they fight public transportation tooth and nail so the poor people don't move in.  This is a civil rights thing because demographics meant it disproportionately impacted African Americans.  But don't think for a second they wouldn't be fighting bus's coming from poor white neighborhoods as well.


My point is that these are not likely very wealthy areas, but moderately wealthy or middle class.
 
2013-08-06 07:17:14 PM
Just hire some neighborhood watch guys.
 
2013-08-06 07:26:00 PM
I really wish we had a machine that could gage intent

It would make everyone's life easier
 
2013-08-06 07:30:01 PM

cman: I really wish we had a machine that could gage intent

It would make everyone's life easier


There will be soon. Neuroscientists are mapping the brain with fMRI to understand how people do actions, understand consequences and form intent.

Of course, it's not exactly a practical way to go about it.

http://sites.duke.edu/wsa/papers/files/2011/05/wsa-schaichetalconseq ue nces2006.pdf
 
2013-08-06 07:35:14 PM

Thoguh: Fo Shiz: Very wealthy areas always have excellent public transportation, so that the domestic laborers can get to work on time.

Just the opposite, they fight public transportation tooth and nail so the poor people don't move in.  This is a civil rights thing because demographics meant it disproportionately impacted African Americans.  But don't think for a second they wouldn't be fighting bus's coming from poor white neighborhoods as well.


This.... once again, on the surface, it looks like racism, but, in reality, it is classism.   The fact that more poor people are minorities is just a side effect.
 
2013-08-06 08:17:36 PM
Wait, is Ohio still relying on chain gangs to build their highways?
 
2013-08-06 08:19:08 PM
OMG, BLACK PEOPLE

/moving to Detroit
 
2013-08-06 08:19:45 PM

Thoguh: Fo Shiz: Very wealthy areas always have excellent public transportation, so that the domestic laborers can get to work on time.

Just the opposite, they fight public transportation tooth and nail so the poor people don't move in.  This is a civil rights thing because demographics meant it disproportionately impacted African Americans.  But don't think for a second they wouldn't be fighting bus's coming from poor white neighborhoods as well.


This sounds a lot like the argument against the tanning tax
 
2013-08-06 08:20:49 PM
Thank you Beaverditch for being the gift that keeps on giving.
 
2013-08-06 08:20:52 PM

Thoguh: Fo Shiz: Very wealthy areas always have excellent public transportation, so that the domestic laborers can get to work on time.

Just the opposite, they fight public transportation tooth and nail so the poor people don't move in.  This is a civil rights thing because demographics meant it disproportionately impacted African Americans.  But don't think for a second they wouldn't be fighting bus's coming from poor white neighborhoods as well.


Correct.  The staff lives in the servants quarters.  Public transportation near by would enable them to leave.  Can't have that.  Who would dust my slippers each morning?
 
2013-08-06 08:21:31 PM
Meh, make it a toll road.
 
2013-08-06 08:22:10 PM

Thoguh: Fo Shiz: Very wealthy areas always have excellent public transportation, so that the domestic laborers can get to work on time.

Just the opposite, they fight public transportation tooth and nail so the poor people don't move in.  This is a civil rights thing because demographics meant it disproportionately impacted African Americans.  But don't think for a second they wouldn't be fighting bus's coming from poor white neighborhoods as well.


This sounds a lot like the argument against the tanning tax from a thread day or two ago
 
2013-08-06 08:22:40 PM
Keeping to black folks out?  They must not want their nice mall to close in 5 years.
 
2013-08-06 08:23:16 PM
So that's why Beavercreek has always been a nice, clean, safe area to visit!  Seriously.

/Don't really notice skin color of people around me.
//Do notice swearing, smoking, smelly people with a menagerie of spawn which tells me I'm in an unpleasant area.
 
2013-08-06 08:23:40 PM
"The City of Beavercreek's criteria and methods for deciding whether to allow RTA transit stops in Beavercreek, which resulted in denial of the application for those stops had the effect of subjecting African Americans, who disproportionately ride public transit, to discrimination," the complaint said.

What, black people don't own cars? Sounds racist.
 
2013-08-06 08:24:03 PM
Opposing Views: paying for multiple daily trolltastic greenlights since 2013.
 
2013-08-06 08:25:07 PM
I live 3 miles from that mall.

Malls in the Dayton area have had a love-hate affair with public transit.   See deadmalls.com - the Salem Mall for example.  The RTA built a major bus hub *near* the Dayton Mall, but not close enough for casual thugs to wander in.

Given that the gangbangers mostly have cars now anyway, I don't see the point.  But since Beavercreek moved from a 2nd tier suburb to one of the 2 or 3 best in the area in the last 15 years, they've been leery of letting the riff-raff in.

Article is incorrect in stating that Wright State University is in Beavercreek - it's over the city line (and on the other side of I-675), in Fairborn.
 
2013-08-06 08:25:53 PM

Lsherm: Didn't Georgetown biatch about having a metro station back in the day because they thought poor people were going to infiltrate their neighborhoods on a never-ending crime spree?

Who the fark uses public transportation as a getaway?


No one.  Most peeps without cars in the cities have no clue a lot of little communities exist 15 minutes outside of the city.  The buses expand awareness.  Out of sight, out of home invasion.

I lived in a large, southern city for too long.  Jaded.
 
2013-08-06 08:26:06 PM
But Beavercreek did everything in its power to keep the buses out. One tactic included mandating expensive guidelines that bus shelters must have heat, AC, and high-tech surveillance.

They were just looking out for the safety and comfort of mass-transit riders.  Clearly everyone criticizing them are the real racists.
 
2013-08-06 08:26:36 PM

Fo Shiz: Very wealthy areas always have excellent public transportation, so that the domestic laborers can get to work on time.



This has been true in my experience.  You need buses and trains to get the nannies and housekeepers to your doorstep.
 
pla
2013-08-06 08:27:02 PM
The only "racist" angle to this depends entirely on the fact that minorities disproportionately use public transportation. The article then proceeds to take racism as a given fact and run with it to slam this little town six ways to Sunday.

Guess what? Wealthy suburbanites like creature comforts. This really could involve nothing more than that - Why the hell should Grandma need to (ick!) sweat while waiting for the bus to the mall?

But really, don't let little things like "facts" stop a good throwing of the Racial Red Card, boys!  Why, next thing you know, they'll want vending machines at the bus stop!  Can you imagine, vending machines???  I mean, how racist can you get?  No white people eat that crap!

/ Really sick of US racial hypersensitivity
// Yes, we still have our issues, but... c'mon!  Who the fark seriously tries to block buses as a cover story for racism?
 
2013-08-06 08:27:19 PM

vygramul: Just hire some neighborhood watch guys.


prefably Hispanics with German last names.
 
2013-08-06 08:28:07 PM
Send in the Zimmerman
 
2013-08-06 08:28:08 PM
from the article:

"One tactic included mandating expensive guidelines that bus shelters must have heat, AC, and high-tech surveillance."

Mandating Western standards of living is now a "tactic"? That's interesting because it explains a lot about America's least common denominator.

The heavy hand of  HUD will save the day and another poor, racist lily whiteopia goes on the social engineering chopping block. "Everybody wants some pie."
 
2013-08-06 08:28:38 PM
why not just scare them away with a broom like Mamma Gump?
 
2013-08-06 08:29:08 PM
Look you idiots, nobody steals a flatscreen and jumps on the bus.  Public transportation reduces the transport cost of a nanny.  Lower costs mean lower prices AND you get the rest of the county to subsidze it.

Morans.
 
2013-08-06 08:29:27 PM
They're discriminating (legally) against people who ride the mass transit buses. Doesn't matter how black they are. You're not getting there on the public bus no matter what color you are, and there's nothing wrong with that.
 
2013-08-06 08:29:30 PM

Disgruntled Goat: Opposing Views: paying for multiple daily trolltastic greenlights since 2013.


I hardly read Fark any more all all, and every time I do its the same effing BS by the same effing asswits. Sucks, but there's only so much one can do when the sites owners want to run it one way and you don't agree.
 
2013-08-06 08:30:05 PM
It's black in the middle it's white on the ends it's O HI O!
 
2013-08-06 08:30:42 PM
A decade ago, Lone Tree, CO really did not want the lightrail to come to its new mall, Park Meadows, for the same reason.  These discussions were all underboard, so no record of them.  When the district governing authority did finally require this stop, it initially was so cumbersome (a tenth of a mile as the crow flies turned into a mile hike or a 45 minute wait for a bus).
 
2013-08-06 08:31:16 PM

untaken_name: What, black people don't own cars? Sounds racist.


Like said above in the thread:

Poor people don't own cars.
The people in the town don't want poor people coming to their town
Because of the demographics, the poor people are blacks.
Therefore, this disproportionately affects black people.
Therefore, it's a civil rights matter.
If it was poor white people, no one would give a shiat.
 
2013-08-06 08:31:23 PM

vygramul: Just hire some neighborhood watch guys.


I know a guy named George who might be available. Experienced too.
 
2013-08-06 08:31:39 PM
Sadly, it's probably a wise financial decision.
It's not so much racism as it is statistical awareness and economic protectionism.
 
2013-08-06 08:32:08 PM

Fo Shiz: Very wealthy areas always have excellent public transportation, so that the domestic laborers can get to work on time.


Seems not to hold true on metro Seattle's east side, Bellevue and Mercer Island in particular.
 
2013-08-06 08:32:18 PM

eatin' fetus: They're discriminating (legally) against people who ride the mass transit buses. Doesn't matter how black they are. You're not getting there on the public bus no matter what color you are, and there's nothing wrong with that.


mode of transportation is not a protected class
 
2013-08-06 08:32:37 PM
Knew this had to be B'ditch. They've been fighting this since before the big mall opened there a decade ago. I think they fear the same fate other malls in the Dayton area have suffered over the years. Whether their reasoning is valid or not is something that can be argued. The unfortunate aspect is that many white folk simply don't like to shop around poor folks.
 
2013-08-06 08:32:46 PM
The way it's worded, I read that headline as an either/or equation, rather than all-or-none. Made me kinda wonder why, exactly, a "white Ohio suburb" wanted black people and no roads.
 
2013-08-06 08:33:35 PM

tuna fingers: A decade ago, Lone Tree, CO really did not want the lightrail to come to its new mall, Park Meadows, for the same reason.  These discussions were all underboard, so no record of them.  When the district governing authority did finally require this stop, it initially was so cumbersome (a tenth of a mile as the crow flies turned into a mile hike or a 45 minute wait for a bus) it wasn't worth it.


OOps I hit Add too quickly.

Anyway, I'm sure these issues happen all over the country.  The burbs don't want it too easy for the inner city folk to find their way to their niche.
 
2013-08-06 08:33:46 PM
pla:
// Yes, we still have our issues, but... c'mon!  Who the fark seriously tries to block buses as a cover story for racism?

I've lived in Atlanta for years.  The suburban counties don't connect to MARTA because of *wink* crime.  These decisions were made in the 70s.

Of course, the irony is that is that 40 years later, if you're trying to avoid poverty you better not go to the bottom half of any county touching the two main city counties.  If anything, I want to block MARTA to keep the Gwinnettians away from my neighborhood.
 
2013-08-06 08:34:50 PM

pla: The only "racist" angle to this depends entirely on the fact that minorities disproportionately use public transportation. The article then proceeds to take racism as a given fact and run with it to slam this little town six ways to Sunday.
Guess what? Wealthy suburbanites like creature comforts. This really could involve nothing more than that - Why the hell should Grandma need to (ick!) sweat while waiting for the bus to the mall?
But really, don't let little things like "facts" stop a good throwing of the Racial Red Card, boys!  Why, next thing you know, they'll want vending machines at the bus stop!  Can you imagine, vending machines???  I mean, how racist can you get?  No white people eat that crap!
/ Really sick of US racial hypersensitivity
// Yes, we still have our issues, but... c'mon!  Who the fark seriously tries to block buses as a cover story for racism?



Because, Lord knows, you can't have a bus shelter without air conditioning.

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2013-08-06 08:35:13 PM

Hot Lunch: Thoguh: Fo Shiz: Very wealthy areas always have excellent public transportation, so that the domestic laborers can get to work on time.

Just the opposite, they fight public transportation tooth and nail so the poor people don't move in.  This is a civil rights thing because demographics meant it disproportionately impacted African Americans.  But don't think for a second they wouldn't be fighting bus's coming from poor white neighborhoods as well.

This sounds a lot like the argument against the tanning tax


Fine, I'll bite: Buses are a public service running on public roads.  Public transportation is the only way that some people can get around.  Tanning booths are not a public service and they are not the only way for anyone to get a tan.
 
2013-08-06 08:35:30 PM
I wouldn't say just black people.  It's probably more of an issue of them trying to keep the homeless out.
 
2013-08-06 08:35:47 PM
I don't get why people force diversity.
 
2013-08-06 08:36:12 PM
I'm not clicking on any more Opposing Views links after seeing their complete trolling with the whole pot/foster parents thing earlier.  Even the Daily Mail was more accurate than they were.

Opposing Views is entitled to differing opinions, but they're not entitled to differing facts.
 
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