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(The Atlantic Wire)   Ender's Game is a novel about a very young boy who struggles to get along with his peers while unwittingly battling an alien menace he never actually sees. So, of course, the trailer for the movie features adult actors and CGI aliens   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 174
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2013-08-06 04:45:05 PM
I watched Dune the other night. The original. You probably don't have much of an argument, article writing person.
 
2013-08-06 04:58:35 PM
As long as the trailers feature Harrison Ford, I don't care.

/still hittable at 71
//don't judge me
 
2013-08-06 05:04:55 PM
As for the controversy over author Orson Scott Card's record of homophobia, we'll have to see if it pops up again.

Don't tell me I'm the only one who was picking up on the homoerotic tension between Kingsley and Ford
 
2013-08-06 05:08:33 PM

Nadie_AZ: I watched Dune the other night. The original.


Funny, so did I, except it was this fanedit.  I liked the original fine, but I like the fan edit, too.  It splices in bits of canon in some of the slow parts and evens out the pacing throughout, adding some deleted scenes.
 
2013-08-06 05:19:54 PM
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2013-08-06 05:22:52 PM
Looks like The Last Starfighter.
 
2013-08-06 05:27:44 PM
This is precisely why I wish Hollywood would stay away from HP Lovecraft. But I think now that Pacific Rim has done so well, giant monsters are going to be the next thing. Eventually someone's going to decide it would be cool if Cthulhu stomped around, and only a ragtag group of 1920's-era investigators in their steampunk battlemech can stop him.
 
2013-08-06 05:40:20 PM
The most interesting parts of the book were the action scenes. The character development of Space Holden was boring as hell. Also, f*ck giving Orson Scott Card one penny more.
 
2013-08-06 05:40:53 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus:


Oh god, I hope not. I am seriously tired of Hollywood butchering good, smart scifi into fluffy crap that panders to the lowest common denominator. How hard is it to make a good scifi movie that is true to the original?

Now, what we really need is Peter Dinklage playing Miles Vorkosigan. Even better, make it an HBO production and serialize it.
 
2013-08-06 05:57:11 PM

GreenAdder: This is precisely why I wish Hollywood would stay away from HP Lovecraft. But I think now that Pacific Rim has done so well, giant monsters are going to be the next thing. Eventually someone's going to decide it would be cool if Cthulhu stomped around, and only a ragtag group of 1920's-era investigators in their steampunk battlemech can stop him.


I admit, I'm not the biggest Lovecraft aficionado, but I get the feeling that whoever would put it together would either make it so true to the stories that the vast majority of Americans wouldn't get it, or just leave someone like Michael Bay in charge and completely fark the whole thing up.  I seriously doubt there's any middle ground to be had.
 
2013-08-06 06:33:56 PM

GreenAdder: This is precisely why I wish Hollywood would stay away from HP Lovecraft. But I think now that Pacific Rim has done so well, giant monsters are going to be the next thing. Eventually someone's going to decide it would be cool if Cthulhu stomped around, and only a ragtag group of 1920's-era investigators in their steampunk battlemech can stop him.


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I would have no problem with this.
 
2013-08-06 06:34:43 PM

Elegy: The Stealth Hippopotamus:

Oh god, I hope not. I am seriously tired of Hollywood butchering good, smart scifi into fluffy crap that panders to the lowest common denominator. How hard is it to make a good scifi movie that is true to the original?

Now, what we really need is Peter Dinklage playing Miles Vorkosigan. Even better, make it an HBO production and serialize it.


People who want smart scifi can keep on reading books.

Movies are for the masses, and a place were the smart scifi readers can slum it a bit.
 
2013-08-06 06:36:02 PM
There are adults and aliens in the book.
 
2013-08-06 06:37:30 PM

Elegy: Now, what we really need is Peter Dinklage playing Miles Vorkosigan.


Now  that sounds like fun!  I like the young Miles stories best, though, and he's too old for that.
 
2013-08-06 06:39:11 PM
Eh. Having watched the trailer, its fine. Whether the movie is any good is another matter entirely. I haven't seen anything yet to excite me.
 
2013-08-06 06:44:27 PM
In before Orson Scott Card is a bigot.
 
2013-08-06 06:46:37 PM
The only thing I'm curious about is whether the audience (at least, those who haven't already read the book) will know more than Ender does about his situation.
 
2013-08-06 06:47:34 PM

GreenAdder: This is precisely why I wish Hollywood would stay away from HP Lovecraft. But I think now that Pacific Rim has done so well, giant monsters are going to be the next thing. Eventually someone's going to decide it would be cool if Cthulhu stomped around, and only a ragtag group of 1920's-era investigators in their steampunk battlemech can stop him.


Better than hitting him with a boat and stopping him that way.
 
2013-08-06 06:49:22 PM
I remember reading the short story as a kid. Years later I read the novel, and wow, it should have stayed a short story. I'm not even going to start on how bad the other books are.
 
2013-08-06 06:49:28 PM
So my only complaint with the trailers (thus far): they've really reduced Mazer's victory to ... an F-35 doing its best reenactment of Independence Day? Why would you miss out on a chance to have attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Titan (or somewhere within the Saturn system)?
 
2013-08-06 06:49:40 PM

GreenAdder: This is precisely why I wish Hollywood would stay away from HP Lovecraft. But I think now that Pacific Rim has done so well, giant monsters are going to be the next thing. Eventually someone's going to decide it would be cool if Cthulhu stomped around, and only a ragtag group of 1920's-era investigators in their steampunk battlemech fedoras with Tommy Guns can stop him.

 
2013-08-06 06:50:24 PM

FriarReb98: GreenAdder: This is precisely why I wish Hollywood would stay away from HP Lovecraft. But I think now that Pacific Rim has done so well, giant monsters are going to be the next thing. Eventually someone's going to decide it would be cool if Cthulhu stomped around, and only a ragtag group of 1920's-era investigators in their steampunk battlemech can stop him.

I admit, I'm not the biggest Lovecraft aficionado, but I get the feeling that whoever would put it together would either make it so true to the stories that the vast majority of Americans wouldn't get it, or just leave someone like Michael Bay in charge and completely fark the whole thing up.  I seriously doubt there's any middle ground to be had.


I think movies get Lovecraft so wrong because Lovecraft is more about suspense and you don't totally understand what is going on. People try make it like a normal film where if I did it I would make sure to make the suspense before anything happened really build. And when you do see things you shouldn't be 100% sure what you saw. By having things in the dark or get partial flashes or glimpses of what you are looking at.

A good Lovecraft film I think would be done much much closer to how Blair Witch worked then a normal horror or action film, which people seem to try to make it.
 
2013-08-06 06:52:06 PM
Well subby, Ender DID see computer generated representations of the enemy ships and home planet. Why are you assuming that those computer ship would have to look crappy? The part at 1:30 in the trailer does imply that the ships we see are from the simulation.

And while I've been very annoyed at the upped age of the jeesh, Asa Butterfield is 16 so not really an adult. I do wish they'd CGIed all the shots with kids in them though to make them the correct age. Yes, I wish for more CGI in the movie version of a book I like. It's a first.

As for giving Orson Scott Card money, I'm gay and I really don't want to be funding whatever the next version of Prop 8 will be. I'm torn between donating the same sum as the ticket price to some gay rights organization (yes, his profit is obviously less than that), or paying for a ticket of another movie showing in the same multiplex  and just sneak into where Ender's game is showing.
 
2013-08-06 07:05:01 PM
Caution: Spoilerific post ahead

Judging from the trailer it seems like the movie will be focusing more on the later parts of the book then the beginning/middle.   That's not necessarily a bad thing, especially as long as they hit the more important points while they are still at the battle school.  Plus it's pretty typical for trailers to focus on the climax rather then the buildup.

As for the focus on the adults in the trailer, again, I don't mind that. I'm not sure about the original novellia, but in the novel the reader is occasionally privy to conversations the adults have that Ender is not, so it's not really that big of a departure from the book.

As for the aliens, I watched the trailer twice and didn't see any of the actual aliens.  Ender sees the ships all the time, both when he's reviewing propaganda footage while still in the battle school and when he's unwittingly commanding the fleet from Eris.  And besides, Ender does see recordings of actual aliens when he's on Eris, so even if we do see the aliens it's notnecessarily a departure from the book.

Not that I don't think Orson Scott Card is nuts of course, I just don't like people saying things are major departures from a book when they really aren't.
 
2013-08-06 07:06:41 PM

FurbyGoneFubar: or paying for a ticket of another movie showing in the same multiplex and just sneak into where Ender's game is showing.


You know, at first I was all "eh, a fraction of a percent of my movie ticket isn't going to stop too many gay marriages," but what you mention here is so painstakingly easy at my local theater, I'm going to have to take you up on it.

Now I just have to figure out who I do want to support:  GI Joe 3 or Tyler Perry
 
2013-08-06 07:08:34 PM

FurbyGoneFubar: As for giving Orson Scott Card money, I'm gay and I really don't want to be funding whatever the next version of Prop 8 will be. I'm torn between donating the same sum as the ticket price to some gay rights organization (yes, his profit is obviously less than that), or paying for a ticket of another movie showing in the same multiplex  and just sneak into where Ender's game is showing.


Never read the book but I suspect the dude is already rich (although considering he quietly left the National Organization of Marriage - he apparently wants to be richer).  But I can think of much better uses of my money and time then giving it to this raging homophobe and the staff putting his works on screen.  Mentoring comes to mind.
 
2013-08-06 07:19:04 PM

gingerjet: FurbyGoneFubar: As for giving Orson Scott Card money, I'm gay and I really don't want to be funding whatever the next version of Prop 8 will be. I'm torn between donating the same sum as the ticket price to some gay rights organization (yes, his profit is obviously less than that), or paying for a ticket of another movie showing in the same multiplex  and just sneak into where Ender's game is showing.

Never read the book but I suspect the dude is already rich (although considering he quietly left the National Organization of Marriage - he apparently wants to be richer).  But I can think of much better uses of my money and time then giving it to this raging homophobe and the staff putting his works on screen.  Mentoring comes to mind.


I'll wait till it is on Netflix or HBO.  Will not be seeing it in the theater.
 
2013-08-06 07:19:13 PM

devine: I remember reading the short story as a kid. Years later I read the novel, and wow, it should have stayed a short story. I'm not even going to start on how bad the other books are.


What didnt you like about Speaker for the Dead?
 
2013-08-06 07:23:40 PM

Gunny Highway: devine: I remember reading the short story as a kid. Years later I read the novel, and wow, it should have stayed a short story. I'm not even going to start on how bad the other books are.

What didnt you like about Speaker for the Dead?


It's existence, mostly.

If Ender wasn't a character and there were no ties whatsoever to the Ender's Game universe then yeah, it would be an okay book. But damn was it painful as is.
 
2013-08-06 07:29:09 PM

doglover: Gunny Highway: devine: I remember reading the short story as a kid. Years later I read the novel, and wow, it should have stayed a short story. I'm not even going to start on how bad the other books are.

What didnt you like about Speaker for the Dead?

It's existence, mostly.

If Ender wasn't a character and there were no ties whatsoever to the Ender's Game universe then yeah, it would be an okay book. But damn was it painful as is.


I am not sure I follow but I know I disagree.  I thought the book was a fun mystery and expanded Ender's world.  I had no idea these books were so unpopular.

Not trying to change your mind, just dont really understand your comment.
 
2013-08-06 07:31:37 PM

Non-evil Monkey: Caution: Spoilerific post ahead

Judging from the trailer it seems like the movie will be focusing more on the later parts of the book then the beginning/middle.   That's not necessarily a bad thing, especially as long as they hit the more important points while they are still at the battle school.  Plus it's pretty typical for trailers to focus on the climax rather then the buildup.

As for the focus on the adults in the trailer, again, I don't mind that. I'm not sure about the original novellia, but in the novel the reader is occasionally privy to conversations the adults have that Ender is not, so it's not really that big of a departure from the book.

As for the aliens, I watched the trailer twice and didn't see any of the actual aliens.  Ender sees the ships all the time, both when he's reviewing propaganda footage while still in the battle school and when he's unwittingly commanding the fleet from Eris.  And besides, Ender does see recordings of actual aliens when he's on Eris, so even if we do see the aliens it's notnecessarily a departure from the book.

Not that I don't think Orson Scott Card is nuts of course, I just don't like people saying things are major departures from a book when they really aren't.


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I am cautiously optimistic.  Possibly they have taken all the 'woo, space, pew pew' stuff and stuck it in the trailer while the film retains what made the book enjoyable, and possibly they have put some idiot in charge who can't tell the two apart.
 
2013-08-06 07:32:42 PM

Actual Farking: The most interesting parts of the book were the action scenes. The character development of Space Holden was boring as hell. Also, f*ck giving Orson Scott Card one penny more.


Hahahaha "Space Holden" is farking brilliant.

For a homosexual hating douchebag, Ender's Game has more gay overtones than Top Gun.
 
2013-08-06 07:33:01 PM

Gunny Highway: doglover: Gunny Highway: devine: I remember reading the short story as a kid. Years later I read the novel, and wow, it should have stayed a short story. I'm not even going to start on how bad the other books are.

What didnt you like about Speaker for the Dead?

It's existence, mostly.

If Ender wasn't a character and there were no ties whatsoever to the Ender's Game universe then yeah, it would be an okay book. But damn was it painful as is.

I am not sure I follow but I know I disagree.  I thought the book was a fun mystery and expanded Ender's world.  I had no idea these books were so unpopular.

Not trying to change your mind, just dont really understand your comment.


Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide are OK.  But the Ender's Shadows and all the back-story on Bean, Petra, etc. reek of just raking in $$ from fanboies.  Like the Pern stories after All The Weyrs, or the Dune crap that Herbert's son wrote.
 
2013-08-06 07:38:55 PM

FrancoFile: Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide are OK. But the Ender's Shadows and all the back-story on Bean, Petra, etc. reek of just raking in $$ from fanboies. Like the Pern stories after All The Weyrs, or the Dune crap that Herbert's son wrote.


I read Ender's Game last year and finished Speaker a few months ago.  Taking a break before reading Xenocide.  I was disappointed, like most people, the more I learned about Card, but he writes fun stories and builds cool world.  I have seen a lot of criticism of the stories on Fark and I was surprised.  I havent read too much SciFi so maybe that has something to do with it.
 
2013-08-06 07:39:01 PM

Actual Farking:  Also, f*ck giving Orson Scott Card one penny more.


That's what the internet was made for.
 
2013-08-06 07:39:27 PM
FurbyGoneFubar:

As for giving Orson Scott Card money, I'm gay and I really don't want to be funding whatever the next version of Prop 8 will be. I'm torn between donating the same sum as the ticket price to some gay rights organization (yes, his profit is obviously less than that), or paying for a ticket of another movie showing in the same multiplex  and just sneak into where Ender's game is showing.

No one should go to the movie because Card is this kind of guy who had almost nothing to do with the movie so we should punish everyone actually involved in making it because they are all bigots by association and probably all Mormons..  Fight bigotry with bigotry.
Even ignoring that about half the people involved in everything from shipping the food we eat, reading the news, coding our favorite websites and collecting our garbage either don't give a shiat about gay rights or actively hate gays.
And all of the suddenly gay-friendly business who didn't support gay rights a few years back but have changed their minds did so because it was the right thing and not because of some cynical money making scheme.
Also, assuming you actually care, you could donate some money and see the movie.
 
2013-08-06 07:41:23 PM
Does Card make money from movie ticket sales?
 
2013-08-06 07:41:38 PM

Gunny Highway: doglover: Gunny Highway: devine: I remember reading the short story as a kid. Years later I read the novel, and wow, it should have stayed a short story. I'm not even going to start on how bad the other books are.

What didnt you like about Speaker for the Dead?

It's existence, mostly.

If Ender wasn't a character and there were no ties whatsoever to the Ender's Game universe then yeah, it would be an okay book. But damn was it painful as is.

I am not sure I follow but I know I disagree.  I thought the book was a fun mystery and expanded Ender's world.  I had no idea these books were so unpopular.

Not trying to change your mind, just dont really understand your comment.


Ender's Game came from a short story. The battle room stuff makes total sense and is the best part of the book. The ol' switcheroo the game you've been playing was actually a real battle. Okay. The fact that there's only three people on Earth who do anything of note and their all the kids from Ender's family because zomg DNA? The story gets a bit weird.

Then we go to speaker of the dead. It's a love letter to Brazil. It didn't have to be in Ender's world, or have anything to do with Ender. It didn't even need to have the piggies. The closest thing I can think of is Robert Asprin's Dragons Wild which is supposed to be a story about supernatural adventure and is really just an all seasons tour of the French Quarter with a most passionate tour guide.

But even with a repentant Ender and the piggies, that's okay, but the whole thing where his sister is still alive and still the most prominent author ever and he's still reviled for xenocide 1000 years later? It's hard to describe but it's just a bit off putting. Like Tolkien's eagles. Just seems... forced, I guess. Not sure how to describe it.
 
2013-08-06 07:41:47 PM
Since the books don't ever deal with homosexuality, I don't understand why people claim they won't be seeing the money or buying the books because the author engages in political activity they don't like.  I, personally, think Orson Scott Card is a pretty good author, and the movie looks amazing.  I definitely will spend some money to see it.  I also spend money to see Tom Cruise films on occasion.  I don't support Scientology however.  I enjoyed Roger Ebert's movie reviews even though I am not a liberal.  I love Phil Plaitt and the Bad Astronomy website even though I am not an atheist. I've read things written by communists even though I am for Democracy.  If you have to investigate the background of everyone you read and agree with them 100 percent before you engage with the book you have made yourself so close-minded I don't think you will grow ever. I'm not surprised that many on Fark are that small-minded.

I understand not wanting to expose yourself to hate material or racist material.  But to closed yourself off of something because the author supports a cause you don't believe in insulates you from the world.  Most of the world doesn't believe what you believe.  Sometimes you are wrong.  How will you ever find out if you never let yourself hear anything else?
 
2013-08-06 07:45:33 PM
I'm so-so on the rest of the books, but I remember liking the Bean book
 
2013-08-06 07:48:42 PM

tjassen: Actual Farking:  Also, f*ck giving Orson Scott Card one penny more.

That's what the internet was made for.


Card makes money off porn?

Ender's Came
 
2013-08-06 07:48:54 PM

theflatline: Actual Farking: The most interesting parts of the book were the action scenes. The character development of Space Holden was boring as hell. Also, f*ck giving Orson Scott Card one penny more.

Hahahaha "Space Holden" is farking brilliant.

For a homosexual hating douchebag, Ender's Game has more gay overtones than Top Gun.


That book is littered with inadvertent homoeroticism.
 
2013-08-06 07:50:13 PM

doglover: Gunny Highway: doglover: Gunny Highway: devine: I remember reading the short story as a kid. Years later I read the novel, and wow, it should have stayed a short story. I'm not even going to start on how bad the other books are.

What didnt you like about Speaker for the Dead?

It's existence, mostly.

If Ender wasn't a character and there were no ties whatsoever to the Ender's Game universe then yeah, it would be an okay book. But damn was it painful as is.

I am not sure I follow but I know I disagree.  I thought the book was a fun mystery and expanded Ender's world.  I had no idea these books were so unpopular.

Not trying to change your mind, just dont really understand your comment.

Ender's Game came from a short story. The battle room stuff makes total sense and is the best part of the book. The ol' switcheroo the game you've been playing was actually a real battle. Okay. The fact that there's only three people on Earth who do anything of note and their all the kids from Ender's family because zomg DNA? The story gets a bit weird.

Then we go to speaker of the dead. It's a love letter to Brazil. It didn't have to be in Ender's world, or have anything to do with Ender. It didn't even need to have the piggies. The closest thing I can think of is Robert Asprin's Dragons Wild which is supposed to be a story about supernatural adventure and is really just an all seasons tour of the French Quarter with a most passionate tour guide.

But even with a repentant Ender and the piggies, that's okay, but the whole thing where his sister is still alive and still the most prominent author ever and he's still reviled for xenocide 1000 years later? It's hard to describe but it's just a bit off putting. Like Tolkien's eagles. Just seems... forced, I guess. Not sure how to describe it.


I guess I just was not being as critical.  I thought they were fun stories.  But you are right there is some farfetched stuff in there that I glossed over.

Isnt that the whole point (the bold statement) of The Hive Queen and the Hegemon?  He was able to explain the war from the Queen's perspective so well that his genocide doesnt get the "winners write the history" treatment.  That is how I understood it.
 
2013-08-06 07:50:50 PM

Actual Farking: theflatline: Actual Farking: The most interesting parts of the book were the action scenes. The character development of Space Holden was boring as hell. Also, f*ck giving Orson Scott Card one penny more.

Hahahaha "Space Holden" is farking brilliant.

For a homosexual hating douchebag, Ender's Game has more gay overtones than Top Gun.

That book is littered with inadvertent homoeroticism.


Like what?
 
2013-08-06 07:52:36 PM

FrancoFile: Dune crap that Herbert's son wrote.


Those books are awful, but I had to read the final book in the series and it was predictably awful. Brian Herbet is just riding his dad's corpse like a sled down a hill of money.
 
2013-08-06 07:55:05 PM

Gunny Highway: Actual Farking: theflatline: Actual Farking: The most interesting parts of the book were the action scenes. The character development of Space Holden was boring as hell. Also, f*ck giving Orson Scott Card one penny more.

Hahahaha "Space Holden" is farking brilliant.

For a homosexual hating douchebag, Ender's Game has more gay overtones than Top Gun.

That book is littered with inadvertent homoeroticism.

Like what?


Naked slippery shower fights. They're fighting the buggers. Those come to mind. I read some years ago.
 
2013-08-06 07:56:06 PM
Didn't Ender see the footage from when the Buggers first invaded and cut their way into one of Earth's warships?

Wasn't that the pattern used for the mask that kids played the "astronauts and buggers" game with?
 
2013-08-06 07:58:01 PM
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Homer: Hey, when do we get the check for this?

Marge: Well, they said they changed it just enough so they don't have to pay us.
 
2013-08-06 08:00:07 PM

doglover: Gunny Highway: devine: I remember reading the short story as a kid. Years later I read the novel, and wow, it should have stayed a short story. I'm not even going to start on how bad the other books are.

What didnt you like about Speaker for the Dead?

It's existence, mostly.

If Ender wasn't a character and there were no ties whatsoever to the Ender's Game universe then yeah, it would be an okay book. But damn was it painful as is.


But the book would have made no sense if it didn't follow Ender's Game and we didn't know and understand what Ender did and why.
 
2013-08-06 08:01:56 PM

Gunny Highway: Isnt that the whole point (the bold statement) of The Hive Queen and the Hegemon? He was able to explain the war from the Queen's perspective so well that his genocide doesnt get the "winners write the history" treatment. That is how I understood it.


Which is good and all, but I've never read crap like that. If Gen Patton had lived to write a book like Blood, Guts, and Kickin' Nazi Nuts about the horrors of war etc, etc. I don't think any kids here in Japan would give a shiat. That's 70 years and few 1000 miles away. Another planet after a millennium?

Also, humans aren't exactly the least amicable to extermination. Sure, Ender feels bad about killing the bugs. Maybe there was a misunderstanding. But we blew their asses right the hell up and they weren't defenseless in the least. Quite the contrary. There'd be huge swaths of the population, quite possibly everyone but Ender himself, who would be ecstatic every time they heard the story or saw the footage no matter how persuasive his book was. A regrettable but necessary price to pay for the chance to blow up a whole planet. Yee haw.

It's kind of like how, as Adam Carolla points out, you never see denim jeans or hinged doors in sci fi movies, even though denim is over 200 years old and hinges have been around since the stone age and neither show signs of slowing.
 
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