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(New York Magazine)   Secret to a long life? Survive the Holocaust   (nymag.com) divider line 68
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2013-08-06 02:50:45 PM
Makes sense. People who survived the Holocaust are much more likely to live longer than those who didn't survive the Holocaust.

/DRTFA
 
2013-08-06 02:56:22 PM

scottydoesntknow: Makes sense. People who survived the Holocaust are much more likely to live longer than those who didn't survive the Holocaust.


I am so ashamed for how loudly I laughed.

// maybe the X-Men were right, and the Holocaust caused some mutations
// only instead of the ability to manipulate magnetic fields, they got longevity
 
2013-08-06 02:57:21 PM
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger?
 
2013-08-06 03:03:04 PM
18 months longer, on average. I'm sure that it was worth it
 
2013-08-06 03:30:01 PM
 They must of had a lot of "post-traumatic growth" going on after being freed.
 
2013-08-06 03:33:40 PM
Our family doctor, when I was a kid, had one of those number tattoos on his forearms.  He was the most kindly, caring doctor you could ever want.  Always wanted to ask him where he was, and what happened, but never got the nerve.

/Probably long gone by now.
//He was elderly when I was a young teen.
 
2013-08-06 03:43:34 PM
Secret to a long life?

Don't step on a landmine.
 
2013-08-06 03:48:38 PM

Dr Dreidel: maybe the X-Men were right, and the Holocaust caused some mutations


He was a mutant before he was interred.
 
2013-08-06 04:15:52 PM
i am guessing something like the holocaust makes you appreciate life a little more.

jews before: YOLO
jews after: i better take care of myself and live conservatively, in a instant it could all be gone!
 
2013-08-06 04:18:46 PM
It's possible that those who are predisposed towards longer life spans also had attributes that allowed them to survive the brutal conditions of the camps at a statistically higher rate.

I personally like to think that it was the personal stubbornness of all the survivors who wanted to live as long as possible, their every living moment a giant "fark you" to Hitler and his Nazis.
 
2013-08-06 04:32:26 PM
There's a Spanish movie called Intacto that explains this.

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0220580/
 
2013-08-06 04:39:05 PM
There's also a suggestion that periods of deprivation can increase your general health. The harsh deprivation in the camps might have had the same effect as decades of caloric restriction, at least for those who survived.
 
2013-08-06 04:41:52 PM

Deep Contact: They must of had


Do you of any idea how annoying that is?
 
2013-08-06 04:42:11 PM
AND don't teach at Virginia Tech.
 
2013-08-06 04:42:54 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Deep Contact: They must of had

Do you of any idea how annoying that is?


He must not have of realized how annoying that is.
 
2013-08-06 04:43:03 PM

SlothB77: i am guessing something like the holocaust makes you appreciate life a little more.


You probably didn't mean it this way, but that may be the most brutal glass-half-full comment I have ever read.
 
2013-08-06 04:43:41 PM
Stress does a body good.
 
2013-08-06 04:44:31 PM

nmrsnr: It's possible that those who are predisposed towards longer life spans also had attributes that allowed them to survive the brutal conditions of the camps at a statistically higher rate.

I personally like to think that it was the personal stubbornness of all the survivors who wanted to live as long as possible, their every living moment a giant "fark you" to Hitler and his Nazis.

 
2013-08-06 04:45:39 PM
In other words, people hardy enough to survive one of the most brutal atrocities in modern history also tend to live somewhat longer than the general population. Makes sense to me.
 
2013-08-06 04:46:46 PM

The Downfall: He must not have of realized how annoying that is.


Of you ever wondered why people can't tell of from have?
 
2013-08-06 04:49:37 PM
Supposedly calorie restriction expends life

/didn't rtfa
 
2013-08-06 04:50:13 PM
I wish people would stop asking old people how to live long. You might as well randomly shoot 99/100 people and then ask that 100th guy his secret to not getting shot. You don't know how many dead people generally followed that same advice and it didn't work for them. You're basically begging for an anecdote. And the answer at that rate might as well be be a white woman who never smoked.
 
GBB
2013-08-06 04:50:28 PM
www.topnews.in
I'd wager it was their diet.  BMI of .002
 
2013-08-06 04:53:34 PM

GBB: [www.topnews.in image 450x338]
I'd wager it was their diet.  BMI of .002


It's actually a negative number. That photo was taken with the camera upside down.  They're actually "standing" on the ceiling.
 
GBB
2013-08-06 04:53:57 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Deep Contact: They must of had

Do you of any idea how annoying that is?


Grammar nazi in a holocaust thread?   +1, sir.
 
GBB
2013-08-06 04:54:55 PM

uber humper: GBB: [www.topnews.in image 450x338]
I'd wager it was their diet.  BMI of .002

It's actually a negative number. That photo was taken with the camera upside down.  They're actually "standing" on the ceiling.


My original edit was -.002, but I thought that would be pushing it.  I guess I was wrong.
 
2013-08-06 04:56:29 PM
Done, subby.

What's step 2?
 
2013-08-06 04:56:43 PM
(un)Natural selection plus a renewed appreciation for life.
 
2013-08-06 04:56:56 PM
My great-grandfather never made it out of the camps.
 
GBB
2013-08-06 04:57:09 PM

GBB: uber humper: GBB: [www.topnews.in image 450x338]
I'd wager it was their diet.  BMI of .002

It's actually a negative number. That photo was taken with the camera upside down.  They're actually "standing" on the ceiling.

My original edit was -.002, but I thought that would of been pushing it.  I guess I was wrong.


FTFM
 
2013-08-06 04:59:00 PM
1. Only the healthiest people survived the Holocaust
or
2. A stressful life leads to an early death. After surviving a death camp every day you spend worrying about money and being yelled at while at work is probably a delightful gift from God.
 
2013-08-06 04:59:02 PM
Maybe it was all that concentrating. Or maybe it's the camping. Camping is fun.
 
2013-08-06 05:02:55 PM
A cushy life will give you cancer.
 
2013-08-06 05:05:04 PM

GBB: I'd wager it was their diet. BMI of .002


Basically. Calorie restriction will extend your life because it forces your body to go into "conserve and repair" mode.
 
2013-08-06 05:07:23 PM
I wonder if it's a function of reduced stress after the release.  They have already been through the most horrific thing that can possibly happen, they are going to stress of Murder, She Wrote being cancelled?

/Seriously, what's left to worry about after that experience?
 
2013-08-06 05:09:03 PM

Millennium: In other words, people hardy enough to survive one of the most brutal atrocities in modern history also tend to live somewhat longer than the general population. Makes sense to me.


Not counting the suicides, I suspect. Many, many survivors carried guilt - and not just survivor's guilt - that they ultimately could not shoulder.

Tadeusz Borowski  - a Polish author - survived Auschwitz by taking on the role as kapo, helping run the camp. Had he arrived a few weeks earlier, he would have been gassed. Policy had changed, now he had a chance at life, but at the cost of being an accomplice. He chose life, was liberated, wrote his gut-wrenching, horrible story, then stuck his head in a gas oven in 1951.
 
2013-08-06 05:10:54 PM

theorellior: GBB: I'd wager it was their diet. BMI of .002

Basically. Calorie restriction will extend your life because it forces your body to go into "conserve and repair" mode.


And a host of other benefits.  I've been intermittent fasting for the last few months and I've never felt better. More energy during the day, jump out of bed, better focus, less stress, and no allergies (usually have sneezing fits on a regular basis).

Only take in calories between noon and 8 pm and fast from Friday 8pm to Sunday noon (40 hours).  Eating on average 3,000k calories per day, 2 meals 2 protein shakes.
 
2013-08-06 05:12:14 PM

dustygrimp: I wonder if it's a function of reduced stress after the release.


You don't think it's stressful raising a lawyer and a doctor?
 
2013-08-06 05:13:03 PM

FloydA: Done, subby.

What's step 2?


Step 1: Survive holocaust
Step 2: ?
Step 3: Profit.

(not subby)
 
GBB
2013-08-06 05:14:44 PM

dustygrimp: I wonder if it's a function of reduced stress after the release.  They have already been through the most horrific thing that can possibly happen, they are going to stress of Murder, She Wrote being cancelled?

/Seriously, what's left to worry about after that experience?


Yeah, I don't care how bad of an employee they are; I would never fire a holocaust survivor.
"Sir, I understand he punched you in the face, but you are blonde haired and blue eyed, and he has a 6 digit number tattooed on his forearm.   So, here's a gift card."
 
2013-08-06 05:15:28 PM

uber humper: dustygrimp: I wonder if it's a function of reduced stress after the release.

You don't think it's stressful raising a lawyer and a doctor?


Probably not.  They must have learned a lot of tools for keeping them in line.

/aisle seat please...
 
2013-08-06 05:17:44 PM

GBB: dustygrimp: I wonder if it's a function of reduced stress after the release.  They have already been through the most horrific thing that can possibly happen, they are going to stress of Murder, She Wrote being cancelled?

/Seriously, what's left to worry about after that experience?

Yeah, I don't care how bad of an employee they are; I would never fire a holocaust survivor.
"Sir, I understand he punched you in the face, but you are blonde haired and blue eyed, and he has a 6 digit number tattooed on his forearm.   So, here's a gift card."


Even if you did fire him my guess is he'd wiggle his dick at you and say, "I survived the holocaust, you think firing me is gonna hurt?"
 
2013-08-06 05:18:03 PM

nmrsnr: It's possible that those who are predisposed towards longer life spans also had attributes that allowed them to survive the brutal conditions of the camps at a statistically higher rate.

I personally like to think that it was the personal stubbornness of all the survivors who wanted to live as long as possible, their every living moment a giant "fark you" to Hitler and his Nazis.


As horrible as the whole thing was, we really should learn what we can from the survivors of the hollocaust.

It would seem that the horrid conditions were unsurvivable for those that were already sick or those that had underlying conditions.  I would suspect that anybody with a heart condition or pulmonary disorder like asthma or a somewhat compromised immune system would have had little chance.

The survivors must have had apex level physiology.  I have before thought it ironic that the nazi plan was to breed a master race, when their concentration camps may have inadvertantly pushed the surviving jews closer to a master race than the nazis were.
 
2013-08-06 05:25:24 PM

nmrsnr: It's possible that those who are predisposed towards longer life spans also had attributes that allowed them to survive the brutal conditions of the camps at a statistically higher rate.

I personally like to think that it was the personal stubbornness of all the survivors who wanted to live as long as possible, their every living moment a giant "fark you" to Hitler and his Nazis.


It's very much the reason that so many Civil War veterans lasted so long. They had immune systems that had been subjected to so much crap that later on in life most infections took one look at these guys and said "fark this, we're outta here."
 
2013-08-06 05:26:52 PM

dustygrimp: I wonder if it's a function of reduced stress after the release.


Other way around. Think of lifting weights.
 
2013-08-06 05:27:01 PM
"That men who'd experienced the Holocaust between the ages of 10 and 15 lived, on average, ten months longer than their brethren who were already in Israel, and that those who were between the ages of 16 and 20 lived an extra eighteen months."

10-18 months is significant? That's, at most, and extra year and a half. 5-7 years is significant. Not 1.
 
2013-08-06 05:28:03 PM
"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." Pretty farking simple.
 
2013-08-06 05:30:39 PM
Does surviving military combat make you live longer? That's pretty darn stressful.
 
2013-08-06 05:32:25 PM

Tricky Chicken: nmrsnr: It's possible that those who are predisposed towards longer life spans also had attributes that allowed them to survive the brutal conditions of the camps at a statistically higher rate.

I personally like to think that it was the personal stubbornness of all the survivors who wanted to live as long as possible, their every living moment a giant "fark you" to Hitler and his Nazis.

As horrible as the whole thing was, we really should learn what we can from the survivors of the hollocaust.

It would seem that the horrid conditions were unsurvivable for those that were already sick or those that had underlying conditions.  I would suspect that anybody with a heart condition or pulmonary disorder like asthma or a somewhat compromised immune system would have had little chance.

The survivors must have had apex level physiology.  I have before thought it ironic that the nazi plan was to breed a master race, when their concentration camps may have inadvertantly pushed the surviving jews closer to a master race than the nazis were.


You should see the statistics on European Jews and IQ.  Impressive.
 
2013-08-06 05:33:04 PM

chrisacip: "That men who'd experienced the Holocaust between the ages of 10 and 15 lived, on average, ten months longer than their brethren who were already in Israel, and that those who were between the ages of 16 and 20 lived an extra eighteen months."

10-18 months is significant? That's, at most, and extra year and a half. 5-7 years is significant. Not 1.


As an average, it is fairly significant. Changes in lifespan do not come from people keeling over at 80 instead of 79, but by having significant numbers who do not die in their fifties and sixties.
 
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