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(Gawker)   Blowing up your devil-possessed dog as part of your preparations for the coming nuclear holocaust is many things, but not animal cruelty   (gawker.com) divider line 38
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2013-08-06 03:01:42 PM  
5 votes:
Someone should blow that asshole up.
2013-08-06 03:15:15 PM  
3 votes:
They call Amanda Bynes schizophrenic cos she smokes dope.

This guy blows up his dog cos he's possessed by Satan and thinks metal stuff is satanic and the rapture is coming, and he gets to run a fireworks stand.

Because America.
2013-08-06 03:10:37 PM  
3 votes:

durbnpoisn: The death may have been instantanious, sure.  But the horror and fear that dog was going through as it was getting explosives strapped to it's body, would certainly qualify as cruelty.


You give dogs too much credit in their understanding of explosives.
2013-08-06 03:09:36 PM  
3 votes:

durbnpoisn: The death may have been instantanious, sure.  But the horror and fear that dog was going through as it was getting explosives strapped to it's body, would certainly qualify as cruelty.


As sad as this all is, there is no way i'm buying that argument.  Likely the dog was just as happy as it was before...it can't reason about its future demise.
2013-08-06 03:07:30 PM  
3 votes:
OK...a Pekenese?..no doubt. A Chihuahua?...maybe. But a Yellow Lab? You can't put evil into a Yellow Lab.
2013-08-06 03:06:18 PM  
3 votes:
Thinking your dog is possessed by the devil should cause some sort of mandatory psychiatric examination by the state.
2013-08-06 03:04:05 PM  
3 votes:
It was a Yellow Lab.  If there was ever a breed least likely to be possessed by the devil . . .
2013-08-06 03:02:13 PM  
3 votes:
Whole lotta crazy going on there.

/and how would someone with an 'extensive criminal record' be able get a license for running a fireworks stand?
2013-08-06 02:34:34 PM  
3 votes:
maybe it is just me, but dying seems like suffering to me.
2013-08-06 03:25:21 PM  
2 votes:

Ivo Shandor: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Thinking your dog is possessed by the devil should cause some sort of mandatory psychiatric examination by the state.

Won't happen. The DSM specifically excludes religious beliefs from the definition of a delusion.


I'm sure someone will hit on this, but thinking your dog is possessed by the devil isn't a religious belief.

Believing in the Devil is a religious belief. Thinking the dog is possessed by him is psychosis.
2013-08-06 03:21:35 PM  
2 votes:
The law sentences you to have a collar affixed around your neck. It shall have enough explosives to blow your stupid head off. At a time not disclosed to you, the state shall detonate the device.

If you had elected me Jebus, I would have made such laws something something.
2013-08-06 03:15:33 PM  
2 votes:
Must be a local thing, because I can't take my dog out and put him down myself in my county, that counts as animal abuse.  I have to take him to a vet should the necessity ever unfortunately arise.

However, a neighbor can shoot a dog on someone else's property and get away with it.

My mother in law lost a Yellow Lab that way.  They shot it at the fence line, claimed it was threatening them.  From the other side of the fence....

I really despise the rednecks in Oregon.
2013-08-06 03:15:05 PM  
2 votes:
That's the problem with conflating abuse and cruelty. Not all abuse is cruel, but it is still abuse.
2013-08-06 06:02:40 PM  
1 votes:

jshine: Bit'O'Gristle: Hmm..so by that twisted logic, if i blew you up, you people who decided this, that wouldn't be "cruel"? Because you die quick? Murdering a dog is cruel, no matter how you do it. So by this logic, its not cruel to kill, just if something suffers.

/wow...the mind boggles.

Murder (i.e., killing humans) is illegal for other reasons besides simply causing physical pain.  Humans have a much more sophisticated sense of "self" and understanding of mortality, so while the actual act might not cause physical pain (if it was done quickly enough), there are other considerations that don't apply to animals.  For instance, the psychological lead-up to death could be cruel in itself, and indeed mock-executions are a fairly common form of torture.

If you take a sick or injured dog out behind the shed with a rifle, he/she has absolutely no idea what that implies, and would happily continue eating a steak out of his bowl until suddenly he wasn't eating that steak anymore.


On the cruel, torturous aspect, killing another person where you come up behind them and shoot them through the brain or neck causing instant death with no preemptory knowledge, or same scenario in their sleep, would not be cruel. It would be murder, probably first-degree depending on the additional circumstances, but not cruel. There was no suffering, psychological or otherwise leading up to the act. The act was swift and complete.

With animals, as has been noted, they do not sense context, impending danger, etc. in the same way people do. If they have never seen someone killed with explosives or a gun, they are unlikely to fear those things. So they may resent being put in a silly costume, but they would not recognize the ugly sweater as a death-vest. It's not cruel in the strictest legal sense, but it suggests the person doing it is depraved and cruel and messed up in a truly fundamental way.

To put it another way, the person doing it may get the jollies of someone who enjoys torturing things and being cruel, but since the recipient didn't actually experience fear, pain, panic, then it's not literally cruel. That person is just projecting onto the victim. Otherwise, sexual predators who claim their victims "enjoyed" it could use that as a defense. It's about what the victim actually experiences, not what the perpetrator thinks they felt.
2013-08-06 05:46:08 PM  
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Hmm..so by that twisted logic, if i blew you up, you people who decided this, that wouldn't be "cruel"? Because you die quick? Murdering a dog is cruel, no matter how you do it. So by this logic, its not cruel to kill, just if something suffers.

/wow...the mind boggles.


Murder (i.e., killing humans) is illegal for other reasons besides simply causing physical pain.  Humans have a much more sophisticated sense of "self" and understanding of mortality, so while the actual act might not cause physical pain (if it was done quickly enough), there are other considerations that don't apply to animals.  For instance, the psychological lead-up to death could be cruel in itself, and indeed mock-executions are a fairly common form of torture.

If you take a sick or injured dog out behind the shed with a rifle, he/she has absolutely no idea what that implies, and would happily continue eating a steak out of his bowl until suddenly he wasn't eating that steak anymore.
2013-08-06 05:39:17 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: maybe it is just me, but dying seems like suffering to me.


If all death equates to animal cruelty, then any vet who euthanizes an animal, or any slaughterhouse that kills cattle/pigs/sheep/etc. would be guilty.  That would make it an absurd standard to use.

...and it doesn't even make rational sense, as not all means of death are capable of causing pain (i.e., it happens too fast to register -- like a bullet through the brain or being literally blown up -- or it happens under sedation/anesthesia).
2013-08-06 05:30:06 PM  
1 votes:
Molavian
Bit'O'Gristle: Hmm..so by that twisted logic, if i blew you up, you people who decided this, that wouldn't be "cruel"? Because you die quick? Murdering a dog is cruel, no matter how you do it. So by this logic, its not cruel to kill, just if something suffers.
/wow...the mind boggles.
What if my dog is suffering and I kill it?


Have a family member that takes cares of animals. She takes in a dog that is not doing well. She lets it pass away outside. Neighbor sees it, contacts SPCA and she is put on a shiat list by busybodies on a personal mission who don't understand the situation.

Luckily no law enforcement was involved.
2013-08-06 04:37:10 PM  
1 votes:
Attention people of the US:
This man is severely mentally ill.  He's not going to be able to obtain help on his own.  He has access to explosives.  He's is one of potentially hundreds of thousands in the US who are in a similar situation (expect for maybe the explosives thing).  Your move.

/seriously our best answer is to imprison these people?
2013-08-06 04:31:59 PM  
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Hmm..so by that twisted logic, if i blew you up, you people who decided this, that wouldn't be "cruel"? Because you die quick? Murdering a dog is cruel, no matter how you do it. So by this logic, its not cruel to kill, just if something suffers.

/wow...the mind boggles.


Well, it's not really quite that mind-boggling. Cruelty is defined as causing pain or suffering, to be cruel is to disregard or even intentionally and sadistically inflict the pain and suffering that you're causing.

Blowing a person up is murder. Cruelty is not an essential part of the definition of murder. The murder statute does not cover dogs.
2013-08-06 03:53:59 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah. That guy just screams crazy and I don't see this ending well. I predict we'll be reading about him again in the future....after he's blown up his neighbors/local abortion clinic/some bar he doesn't like because "they're possessed by the devil".
2013-08-06 03:51:42 PM  
1 votes:

Ivo Shandor: justtray: Ivo Shandor: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Thinking your dog is possessed by the devil should cause some sort of mandatory psychiatric examination by the state.

Won't happen. The DSM specifically excludes religious beliefs from the definition of a delusion.

I'm sure someone will hit on this, but thinking your dog is possessed by the devil isn't a religious belief.

Believing in the Devil is a religious belief. Thinking the dog is possessed by him is psychosis.

OK, so...
Pigs possessed by demons - religion
Dog possessed by the devil - psychosis

Seems legit.


My fundamentalism is a bit rusty, but aren't demons supposed to do the possessing? The devil doesn't possess anyone IIRC.
2013-08-06 03:49:09 PM  
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: freewill: *Indiana Jones* HE BELONGS IN AN INSTITUTION. */Indiana Jones*

SO DO YOU


*clap*
*clap*
*clap*

Very good, then.

/ Actually did Nazi see that one coming.
2013-08-06 03:41:44 PM  
1 votes:

Ivo Shandor: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Thinking your dog is possessed by the devil should cause some sort of mandatory psychiatric examination by the state.

Won't happen. The DSM specifically excludes religious beliefs from the definition of a delusion.


Now that's crazy. x 2.
2013-08-06 03:27:38 PM  
1 votes:
Crazy asshole.
2013-08-06 03:27:18 PM  
1 votes:

gshepnyc: If you believe in the devil, you are a crazy and dangerous person who ought to be locked up for the safety of everyone else. Your stupid beliefs are not worth the life of anyone else, including dogs.


That's devil talk right there.
2013-08-06 03:20:25 PM  
1 votes:
Sick asshole.  Hope he spends eternity in Hell.
2013-08-06 03:17:10 PM  
1 votes:
If you believe in the devil, you are a crazy and dangerous person who ought to be locked up for the safety of everyone else. Your stupid beliefs are not worth the life of anyone else, including dogs.
2013-08-06 03:15:35 PM  
1 votes:

Lordserb: durbnpoisn: The death may have been instantanious, sure.  But the horror and fear that dog was going through as it was getting explosives strapped to it's body, would certainly qualify as cruelty.

As sad as this all is, there is no way i'm buying that argument.  Likely the dog was just as happy as it was before...it can't reason about its future demise.


Exactly.  At most, it sniffed at the explosives, decided they weren't snausages, and followed the "stay" instructions.

/All dogs go to heaven.
//Some are delivered by high explosives.
2013-08-06 03:14:29 PM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: The death may have been instantanious, sure.  But the horror and fear that dog was going through as it was getting explosives strapped to it's body, would certainly qualify as cruelty.


Allow me to play devils advocate....

cl.jroo.me

I'm sure there was some horror and fear for this mongrel
2013-08-06 03:13:47 PM  
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: blatz514: Dog parts were found strewn across the 45-year-old's yard.

That's usually what happens when you blow up an animal.

Well...if the animal being blown up is a dog. It'd be kinda weird to blow up a cow, and your front yard gets dog parts strewn about.


This is true.  How about an exploding whale?

media4.s-nbcnews.com
2013-08-06 03:13:43 PM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: The death may have been instantanious, sure.  But the horror and fear that dog was going through as it was getting explosives strapped to it's body, would certainly qualify as cruelty.


Oh, that dog probably thought it was a game. Labs are not noted for their brainpower.
2013-08-06 03:12:11 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: maybe it is just me, but dying seems like suffering to me.


It's legal to kill a dog for any reason, as long as you do it "humanely." People have their pets euthanized all the time, sometime just because they want a new puppy (people suck). So what this guy did was grotesque, but not illegally cruel.
2013-08-06 03:11:07 PM  
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Thinking your dog is possessed by the devil should cause some sort of mandatory psychiatric examination by the state.


Won't happen. The DSM specifically excludes religious beliefs from the definition of a delusion.
2013-08-06 03:10:11 PM  
1 votes:

blatz514: Dog parts were found strewn across the 45-year-old's yard.

That's usually what happens when you blow up an animal.


Well...if the animal being blown up is a dog. It'd be kinda weird to blow up a cow, and your front yard gets dog parts strewn about.
2013-08-06 03:08:47 PM  
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: OK...a Pekenese?..no doubt. A Chihuahua?...maybe. But a Yellow Lab? You can't put evil into a Yellow Lab.


You sound like an expert on putting things into a lab....

/ I keed
2013-08-06 03:07:30 PM  
1 votes:
Why yes; drugs were involved.

/ the dog was probably stealing the guy's meth; because, dogs have the appendages necessary to use meth.(sarcasm)

// I'm guessing drugs were involved
2013-08-06 03:05:26 PM  
1 votes:
Worst remake of Ol Yeller ever.
2013-08-06 03:04:56 PM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: maybe it is just me, but dying seems like suffering to me.


Not if it's a quick death.  It's why it's okay to shoot somebody on a battlefield but it's not okay to torture them once they're captured.
 
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