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(Independent)   Revealed: the CIA's hardest assignment - showing the world that Americans are not Philistines   (independent.co.uk) divider line 70
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2013-08-06 09:16:16 AM
And yet here we are.
 
2013-08-06 10:14:49 AM
Hurr Durr.
USA USA USA USA
Lerve it are leave it.
 
2013-08-06 10:17:27 AM
Interesting footnote from the files: Do not use Sateen Dura-Luxe (see: Rabo Karabekian)
 
2013-08-06 10:17:43 AM
on one hand support art, on the other, running MKUltra.  it's all about diversity, folks!
 
2013-08-06 10:18:44 AM
Yeah geez, what has America ever provided the world except for the most flourishing market in history to provide audience and funding for every major advancement of humanity in the past 75 years.

Of course you could make the argument that Mass Media is a bad thing, over the internet, from your PC, being run by microchips, communicating over twisted pair copper and fiber optics.
 
2013-08-06 10:19:34 AM
Well, at least they promoted the arts, CIA ploy or not. Now, if we can also get the CIA to invest in science and education...
 
2013-08-06 10:20:29 AM
first explain what a Philistine is...
 
2013-08-06 10:20:40 AM
I thought only people from Philadelphia are Philistines.

I prefer Falls Churchian.
 
2013-08-06 10:23:25 AM
Bernard Berkman: Ivan is fine but he's not a serious guy, he's a philistine.

Frank Berkman: What's a philistine?

Bernard Berkman: It's a guy who doesn't care about books and interesting films and things.

Bernard Berkman: Your mother's brother Ned is also a philistine.

Frank Berkman: Then I'm a philistine.

Bernard Berkman: No, you're interested in books and things.
 
2013-08-06 10:23:56 AM
Well...not ALL Americans.  Generally just the ones you elect and give passports.
 
2013-08-06 10:25:19 AM

Carn: I thought only people from Philadelphia are Philistines.


Yes, but i think the correct pronunciation is "scumbags"
 
2013-08-06 10:25:22 AM
That's cool, but I'm sure on the whole the CIA has done far more to sully America's reputation than any other government agency.
 
2013-08-06 10:25:46 AM
 Philistine: Adjective. A person who is guided by materialism and is usually disdainful of intellectual or artistic values.

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2013-08-06 10:25:50 AM

GregoryD: first explain what a Philistine is...


Someone who doesn't care for art or culture, basically.
 
2013-08-06 10:26:01 AM
Abstract impressionism was a CIA plot?

Ok, time to defund them.
 
2013-08-06 10:26:20 AM
Wow. I actually RTFA and it makes me think of Civ V's new expansion, Brave New World. There's ideologies and your "Tourism" fights the culture of your rivals and you can cause anarchy in your rivals' empires by having Great Works of Art.
 
2013-08-06 10:26:34 AM
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many have fallen prey to the jawbone of an ass.
 
2013-08-06 10:26:42 AM
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Well, of course, this is just the sort of blinkered philistine pig-ignorance I've come to expect from you non-creative garbage!
 
2013-08-06 10:27:19 AM
Of course we're not. We got the Philistines from Spain after the Spanish-American War but they're their own country now.
 
2013-08-06 10:28:02 AM

Tyrosine: Philistine: Adjective. A person who is guided by materialism and is usually disdainful of intellectual or artistic values.

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Hey now MMA is a martial art. :) You could technically say it has some merit.
 
2013-08-06 10:30:38 AM
Yeah, I hate jam bands.

/dnrtfa
 
2013-08-06 10:31:33 AM
So, our story so far. The CIA was actually the Cultural Intelligence Agency, with pipe-smoking, tweed-wearing Ivy League professor types competing with the James Bond types for the hearts and minds of the Russkies intellectuals?

Makes sense. Makes for better movies, too, instead of humorless drill sergeants forcing confessions out of random pedestrians.
 
2013-08-06 10:32:58 AM

bdub77: Tyrosine: Philistine: Adjective. A person who is guided by materialism and is usually disdainful of intellectual or artistic values.

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Hey now MMA is a martial art. :) You could technically say it has some merit.


It's several of them as a matter of fact and therefore better.  Like television cross-overs, taco salads, and car boats.
 
2013-08-06 10:33:12 AM
Tyrosine: Hey now MMA is a martial art. :) You could technically say it has some merit.


Well, if you consider 2 grown men rolling around on the floor all sweaty with their faces in each other's crotches an art...
 
2013-08-06 10:36:00 AM
Case in point: I was outdoors at my favourite pub in Stratford-on-Avon near the Royal Shakespeare Theatre one fine sunny Saturday afternoon when a stereotypical huge ugly American woman waddled up to me while I was in mid-pint, and said in a loud voice, "DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE BIRTHPLACE IS?", smacking her gum while her outfit of striped top, plaid shorts and acres of pasty flesh blinded unsuspecting passers-by.  No "excuse me", no "please", nothing except rudeness and a ten-metre voice for a half-metre conversation.

My eyes narrowed and my wife, knowing me all too well, flashed a look at me that said, "Don't do it..." - which of course, had no effect on me at all.  Interrupting a man's pint in mid-slurp is a heinous crime, sacrilege of the highest order, particularly in that fashion.  I calmly set it down on the table and looking her in the eye said, slightly sarcastically, "I'm sorry, I'm a touch deaf now - could you repeat that?".

Completely unphased, she yelled, "DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE BIRTHPLACE IS?"

"Why, yes.  Yes, I do."

"WELL?"

"Well, what?"

"HOW DO I GET TO THE BIRTHPLACE FROM HERE?"

"Ah.  That's a different question entirely, isn't it?  Turn around, go to the third junction and make a left.  At the fourth junction after that, make a right and it's on your left shortly after that - you can't miss it."

"SHEESH, ABOUT TIME, WAS THAT SO HARD OR WHAT?", she said, smacking her gum and waddling away while her polyester shorts nearly burst into flames from the friction between her enormous thighs.

After she was gone and the solar eclipse she caused allowed daylight to return, my wife calmly said, "That's not the way to where Shakespeare was born", a bit puzzled.

"I know," I replied, "but that's not what she said - she asked me where the birthplace was.  I've given her perfect directions to the maternity unit of the local hospital."
 
2013-08-06 10:37:46 AM

gu1tarjohn: Well, if you consider 2 grown men rolling around on the floor all sweaty with their faces in each other's crotches an art...


Only if Robert Mapplethorpe does it.
 
2013-08-06 10:38:22 AM

GregoryD: first explain what a Philistine is...


It's just a real dirty person.
 
2013-08-06 10:38:36 AM

gu1tarjohn: Tyrosine: Hey now MMA is a martial art. :) You could technically say it has some merit.


Well, if you consider 2 grown men rolling around on the floor all sweaty with their faces in each other's crotches an art...


I call it two tops fu*king.
 
2013-08-06 10:39:25 AM
President Chucker Signs Farm Bill
by Bloopie Davis
June 19, 2024


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President Chucker and Vice-President Bubba relax prior to the Senate debate
(Photo: Stevo Lee, AFP/Getty Images)


President Chucker signed a bill to help agriculture outside the Capitol Wednesday afternoon, amid tight security and anti-farming  protests. Holding his first outside bill signing, with a large tractor as a backdrop, Chucker made official the Plow 'Em Under Farm Act of 2024, legislation that addresses liability issues facing farmers. But by holding it outside, the President exposed himself to protesters. At least four highfalutin' New Yorkers with effeminate accents held signs at a distance reminding McCrory of his campaign promise to not approve any new subsidies for farmers. Several police officers stood close by. Meanwhile, a 1966 Camaro hauling a mobile billboard did burnouts around the Capitol with a sign that included a large photograph of Chucker and the words:"Keep Your Word, Dicknuts" Chucker did not meet with the protesters...
 
2013-08-06 10:43:21 AM

GregoryD: first explain what a Philistine is...


DUH, it's any member of the baseball team that plays in Philadelphia. Pick up a book already, moran
 
2013-08-06 10:45:50 AM

ElPresidente: Case in point: I was outdoors at my favourite pub in Stratford-on-Avon near the Royal Shakespeare Theatre one fine sunny Saturday afternoon when a stereotypical huge ugly American woman waddled up to me while I was in mid-pint, and said in a loud voice, "DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE BIRTHPLACE IS?", smacking her gum while her outfit of striped top, plaid shorts and acres of pasty flesh blinded unsuspecting passers-by.  No "excuse me", no "please", nothing except rudeness and a ten-metre voice for a half-metre conversation.

My eyes narrowed and my wife, knowing me all too well, flashed a look at me that said, "Don't do it..." - which of course, had no effect on me at all.  Interrupting a man's pint in mid-slurp is a heinous crime, sacrilege of the highest order, particularly in that fashion.  I calmly set it down on the table and looking her in the eye said, slightly sarcastically, "I'm sorry, I'm a touch deaf now - could you repeat that?".

Completely unphased, she yelled, "DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE BIRTHPLACE IS?"

"Why, yes.  Yes, I do."

"WELL?"

"Well, what?"

"HOW DO I GET TO THE BIRTHPLACE FROM HERE?"

"Ah.  That's a different question entirely, isn't it?  Turn around, go to the third junction and make a left.  At the fourth junction after that, make a right and it's on your left shortly after that - you can't miss it."

"SHEESH, ABOUT TIME, WAS THAT SO HARD OR WHAT?", she said, smacking her gum and waddling away while her polyester shorts nearly burst into flames from the friction between her enormous thighs.

After she was gone and the solar eclipse she caused allowed daylight to return, my wife calmly said, "That's not the way to where Shakespeare was born", a bit puzzled.

"I know," I replied, "but that's not what she said - she asked me where the birthplace was.  I've given her perfect directions to the maternity unit of the local hospital."


Funny story.  Is it supposed to illustrate that Americans are Philistines?
 
2013-08-06 10:50:48 AM
ElPresidente: ...stereotypical huge ugly American woman waddled up to me while I was in mid-pint, and said in a loud voice, "DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE BIRTHPLACE IS?", smacking her gum while her outfit of striped top, plaid shorts and acres of pasty flesh ...


That was not an american, that was a yank.  As someone from the south eastern united states I would very much prefer that you specify.  We are, in fact, much more polite, sunburnt rather than pasty and rather quiet.  I will not claim a decreased acrage of skin, and claim that we are very likely to call you a childish pet name such as "sweety" or "hon".

/Damn Scots can't tell the difference.
 
2013-08-06 10:57:53 AM

Mrbogey: Abstract impressionism was a CIA plot?

Ok, time to defund them.


I second that motion. What a bunch of pretentious, self-aggrandizing crap. You could have the greatest abstract "artist" in the world secretly create what he or she considers to be their masterpiece, put some nobody's name on it in an art show, and people will say it's crap. Have a toddler shiat on a canvas and smear it around, have some famous brooding artist write a description of what it's supposed to symbolize, and suddenly it's worth a billion dollars. And if you point out that it's just shiat smeared randomly on cloth and not art, suddenly YOU'RE the idiot and/or an uncultured lout. You're obviously just not sophisticated enough to appreciate the statement that the artist was trying to make. Well, maybe I'm not, but at least I don't have a giant piece of shiat that I paid a lot of money for hanging in my living room.
 
2013-08-06 11:18:15 AM
I'm a Philistine and I'll put a boot in your ass if you don't like it.
 
2013-08-06 11:21:23 AM
Oh goody, another "America ams cultural wasteland" thread.  Anyone remember when, "The great American novel" was part of the common vernacular?

I guess I shouldn't let it trouble me; the American stereotype is no worse than every other country's negative stereotype, and taken seriously by the brands of jerk.
 
2013-08-06 11:24:28 AM

naughtyrev: And yet here we are.


I don't dislike America or Americans...I just don't trust your government in the slightest.
 
2013-08-06 11:28:39 AM

neversubmit: gu1tarjohn: Tyrosine: Hey now MMA is a martial art. :) You could technically say it has some merit.


Well, if you consider 2 grown men rolling around on the floor all sweaty with their faces in each other's crotches an art...

I call it two tops fu*king.


Then you are an idiot.
 
2013-08-06 11:35:40 AM
A lot of self hating Americans in this thread.

What does it say about the rest of the world then if the US's #2 export is motion pictures?
 
2013-08-06 11:43:39 AM

GregoryD: first explain what a Philistine is...


We won them in a war against Spain a little over a century ago.
 
2013-08-06 11:43:53 AM

Mugato: A lot of self hating Americans in this thread.

What does it say about the rest of the world then if the US's #2 export is motion pictures?


We make things blow up real pretty.
 
2013-08-06 11:45:04 AM

Mugato: A lot of self hating Americans in this thread.

What does it say about the rest of the world then if the US's #2 export is motion pictures?


That America's second biggest contribution to the world is movies?
 
2013-08-06 11:45:20 AM

jimpoz: Of course we're not. We got the Philistines from Spain after the Spanish-American War but they're their own country now.


No, no, that's the Philllipppeans.  We made the Philistines after WWII (the big one), when we helped the Jews push 'em outta the Holy Land desert, and they've been pissy about ti every since.  As have the commy liberal tweed crowd, too.
 
2013-08-06 11:49:13 AM

J.Shelby: jimpoz: Of course we're not. We got the Philistines from Spain after the Spanish-American War but they're their own country now.

No, no, that's the Philllipppeans.  We made the Philistines after WWII (the big one), when we helped the Jews push 'em outta the Holy Land desert, and they've been pissy about ti every since.  As have the commy liberal tweed crowd, too.


No, that's the Pallistinnians.  The Philistines is that time right after the dinosaurs all died out.
 
2013-08-06 11:54:20 AM

Mugato: A lot of self hating Americans in this thread.


Not self-hating: that's important. They do a thorough job of Othering Americans who do not follow their particular epistemological/philosophical model, and those people are the ones they disdain. It's essentially stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpg writ large.

What does it say about the rest of the world then if the US's #2 export is motion pictures?

There are certain philosophical/political elements in western economies that depend strongly on human nature being as much of a tabula rasa as possible: everything is a social construct, rewritable at will if only people weren't so darned manipulative. If the US can export entertainment in such huge numbers, then its filmmakers have clearly done a fantastic job of tapping into something universal about human nature, and the existence of such universals threatens the core assumptions on which these philosophical/political elements depend. The standard response to this is to stick one's head in the sand.
 
2013-08-06 11:57:06 AM

Barfmaker: Mugato: A lot of self hating Americans in this thread.

What does it say about the rest of the world then if the US's #2 export is motion pictures?

That America's second biggest contribution to the world is movies?


That the rest of the world can laugh at American culture while at the same time eat it with a spoon.

/it could actually be #1, not sure where we're at with weapons
 
2013-08-06 11:58:49 AM
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2013-08-06 12:00:33 PM
FTFA: "in 1950, when the International Organisations Division (IOD) was set up under Tom Braden. It was this office which subsidised the animated version of George Orwell's Animal Farm, which sponsored American jazz artists, opera recitals, the Boston Symphony Orchestra's international touring programme. Its agents were placed in the film industry, in publishing houses, even as travel writers for the celebrated Fodor guides. And, we now know, it promoted America's anarchic avant-garde movement, Abstract Expressionism. "
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So David A. Noebel might have been right or he had insider CIA knowledge that he was projecting onto the communists in his thesis that American pop music was funded by an international Communist conspiracy to destroy American youths.
 
2013-08-06 12:05:34 PM
We're not Philistines.
Washington is.
 
2013-08-06 12:05:45 PM
What a perfect term to describe our prevailing national mindset.
 
2013-08-06 12:21:48 PM
I thought Obama was going to make the world love us again. Thats what I was told in 2008 when I was given my voucher for one free unicorn.
 
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