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2013-08-06 12:56:10 PM

Deep Contact: Council can sit behind bullet proof glass and let pissed off citizens shoot at them all day to let off steam.


Blues brothers democracy!
I like it.
 
2013-08-06 12:57:50 PM

Ed Grubermann: dittybopper: durbnpoisn: The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.

So, yeah, because he could afford to spend a couple hundred bucks for some guns that he likely bought decades ago, he can afford to put in a $40,000 septic system.

How about a chemical toilet? There are less expensive means of disposing of human waste that don't entail just leaving buckets of shiat all over the place.


According to the shooter, he had a composting toilet and the "poop buckets" were actually full of paint and water.
 
2013-08-06 12:59:02 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: LasersHurt: KrispyKritter: Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does.

You wish you had the balls to kill innocent people, eh?

StrangeQ: honestly they got exactly what was coming to them.

Has everyone lost their farking minds or what

Yes.  Farking gun nut freedom lovin murrrricans can KISS MY LILY WHITE FAT ASS

NO ONE deserves to be shot over some crap like this, and those of you cheering it, I hope one day someone you love gets the same treatment, shot by some crazy person because they followed the law and did their jobs.

Fark all you nuts.


Just to play devil's advocate here, "following the law and doing your job", in and of itself...hasn't washed as an excuse since Nuremberg.

There's got to be underlying justice, as well.  Not to Godwin the thread, but plenty of the Nazis' mass-murdering?
Perfectly legal.  They'd made it so.  In D&D terms, you might think of them as Lawful Evil.

Now, no idea what happened here, but it's not automatically the case that the victims were innocent.  Quite likely, but not automatic.
 
2013-08-06 01:02:10 PM
dittybopper:According to him, he has a composting toilet, which is a sanitation system.

And yet, there were complaints of buckets of human waste on his property.
 
2013-08-06 01:02:28 PM

Headso: Local government is the worst, that's for sure. I would never shoot anyone on the town council but the biggest annoyance by government in my life has been at the hands of local government. Giving these kinds of people more power is the last thing you want to do, give me giant faceless bureaucracy over local town douchebags anyday.


As an HOA guy, all I can say is "Phew, at least we're not taking flak over THIS one..."

Must be how Muslims feel whenever there's an IRA bombing...
 
2013-08-06 01:02:44 PM
I don't care if he had a composting toilet, or an iphone, or a computer, or whether he was broke or rich, or whether the town council mistreated him or not.

He is a murderer.  He murdered because of some material possessions (and/or because he is insane).

How can anyone defend an insane murderer?

Are you all insane too?
 
2013-08-06 01:06:08 PM

DrewFL: durbnpoisn: No, actually, they weren't wrong. I DNRTA, but I watched the news this morning. Did you see what that guy's property looked like. The council in question was WELL within their jurisdiction to have that property condemned. If he could take the time to go and shoot a bunch of people up, he could have taken the time to clean his damn property - maybe even have a septic system installed.

THANK YOU. Doesn't anyone give a damn that this guy had been living in an illegal structure on that property for 18 years and CRAPPING IN BUCKETS? For fark's sake...if that doesn't warrant condemnation I don't know what does.  Everyone has their panties in a wad over gun laws...this guy was a wacko regardless.  He probably would have done this some other, possibly more horrifying way, AKA homegrown explosives, if he didn't have a gun.


Honestly, the illegal structure doesn't bother me...if nobody else can see it, and there's no kids going to get hurt if it collapses...who cares?    If it falls down on HIM, score one for Darwin...let him fight with his insurance company about it.
Doesn't sound like an urban area where if my house falls over, it's liable to land on someone...THERE, you need more serious zoning.

Afa the crapping thing goes, if he keeps it out of the local water supply, and the neighbors can't smell it, it's also fine by me.

/grew up with outhouses in Maine
 
2013-08-06 01:07:14 PM
As usual, the Fark Constitutional Scholars are big on rights but against responsibility.
 
2013-08-06 01:07:20 PM

PunGent: Satan's Bunny Slippers: LasersHurt: KrispyKritter: Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does.

You wish you had the balls to kill innocent people, eh?

StrangeQ: honestly they got exactly what was coming to them.

Has everyone lost their farking minds or what

Yes.  Farking gun nut freedom lovin murrrricans can KISS MY LILY WHITE FAT ASS

NO ONE deserves to be shot over some crap like this, and those of you cheering it, I hope one day someone you love gets the same treatment, shot by some crazy person because they followed the law and did their jobs.

Fark all you nuts.

Just to play devil's advocate here, "following the law and doing your job", in and of itself...hasn't washed as an excuse since Nuremberg.

There's got to be underlying justice, as well.  Not to Godwin the thread, but plenty of the Nazis' mass-murdering?
Perfectly legal.  They'd made it so.  In D&D terms, you might think of them as Lawful Evil.

Now, no idea what happened here, but it's not automatically the case that the victims were innocent.  Quite likely, but not automatic.


I understand what you're saying, but I don't think the council members wrote the laws they were enforcing, (however unfairly) is what I meant.  No, they aren't "innocent" in the truest of terms, but they sure as hell didn't deserve to be shot.

No, you cannot haz the Nazi defense.  No laws were passed specifically to make what they were doing legal only for this instance.  :-)
 
2013-08-06 01:08:32 PM

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: So pretty much the shooter will now get free food, healthcare, shelter, television, education, and more. Take note Baby Boomers, not a bad retirement plan right?


Nutraloaf, an alcoholic EMT, a roach-infested cell, whatever Bubba wants to watch on basic cable, and a used Bible are no way to go through life, son...
 
2013-08-06 01:08:45 PM
Is there evidence that he specifically targeted those on the council that caused his grief? It sounds like he was shooting blindly through walls, which meant he didn't give a shiat about killing innocent people. Fark him, and fark all the people trying to turn him into some martyr that stood up to the big nasty government.
 
2013-08-06 01:09:51 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: On topic, crazy old dude was living in a shiathole he didn't have permits for.  Town had two choices when it was clear he was a crazy old coot without the means or ability to actually fix it himself if the place was that big a problem to the rest of the town, hold a barn raising and build him a new actually decent place to live and try to take care of him in his declining years, or try to force him off 'his' land.  One of those choices was moderately expensive and took effort, the other was crazy-old-coot-last-straw and ended up with a couple people dead and 5 more shot and wounded.


Let's say he was your neighbor. Would you be ok with your tax dollars going towards building him a new home (if "the town" is doing this, I assume you mean the town government). Or, would you be at his house putting in dozens/hundreds of ours of free labor to help him? For most people the answers would be "hell no". Welcome to America.
 
2013-08-06 01:10:06 PM

CarnySaur: "This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land was made for only me."

- Woody Guthrie


"This land is your land,
This land is my land.
I take all your land
Now it's all MY land."
 
2013-08-06 01:10:16 PM

Ed Grubermann: dittybopper:According to him, he has a composting toilet, which is a sanitation system.

And yet, there were complaints of buckets of human waste on his property.


GIS the guy's house. Poop in a bucket was only one small part of the problem.
 
2013-08-06 01:43:35 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: PunGent: Satan's Bunny Slippers: LasersHurt: KrispyKritter: Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does.

You wish you had the balls to kill innocent people, eh?

StrangeQ: honestly they got exactly what was coming to them.

Has everyone lost their farking minds or what

Yes.  Farking gun nut freedom lovin murrrricans can KISS MY LILY WHITE FAT ASS

NO ONE deserves to be shot over some crap like this, and those of you cheering it, I hope one day someone you love gets the same treatment, shot by some crazy person because they followed the law and did their jobs.

Fark all you nuts.

Just to play devil's advocate here, "following the law and doing your job", in and of itself...hasn't washed as an excuse since Nuremberg.

There's got to be underlying justice, as well.  Not to Godwin the thread, but plenty of the Nazis' mass-murdering?
Perfectly legal.  They'd made it so.  In D&D terms, you might think of them as Lawful Evil.

Now, no idea what happened here, but it's not automatically the case that the victims were innocent.  Quite likely, but not automatic.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think the council members wrote the laws they were enforcing, (however unfairly) is what I meant.  No, they aren't "innocent" in the truest of terms, but they sure as hell didn't deserve to be shot.

No, you cannot haz the Nazi defense.  No laws were passed specifically to make what they were doing legal only for this instance.  :-)


Probably not...but that doesn't mean existing laws weren't enforced selectively.

Wouldn't be the first time someone with buddies on the zoning commission wanted property cheap, is all I'm saying.
 
2013-08-06 01:55:23 PM
PunGent:

Probably not...but that doesn't mean existing laws weren't enforced selectively.

Wouldn't be the first time someone with buddies on the zoning commission wanted property cheap, is all I'm saying.


I'm agreeing with you.

Just still not worth shooting people over.  It's stuff.  I lost all my stuff to my ex.  All of it, including my house, my clothes, my car, my dishes, my cats.  I didn't shoot him.  Thought about it, could have (had access to guns), some people say I should  have.  But I didn't.  No matter how selectively or right out in your face-ly the laws were being enforced, crazy old hoarder guy had no right to shoot them.
 
2013-08-06 01:55:42 PM

PunGent: Wouldn't be the first time someone with buddies on the zoning commission wanted property cheap, is all I'm saying.


Yeah, that 17 year plan worked out great.
 
2013-08-06 01:56:07 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: No, they aren't "innocent" in the truest of terms, but they sure as hell didn't deserve to be shot.


I dunno. They were on a town council.
 
2013-08-06 01:56:56 PM

PunGent: CreampuffCasperMilktoast: So pretty much the shooter will now get free food, healthcare, shelter, television, education, and more. Take note Baby Boomers, not a bad retirement plan right?

Nutraloaf, an alcoholic EMT, a roach-infested cell, whatever Bubba wants to watch on basic cable, and a used Bible are no way to go through life, son...


The Monroe County Correctional Facility, a peaceful rural setting, with an extremely sanitary kitchen that was run by Aramark, and recently replaced by a competitor which apparently has made people happier, since there is a new menu and larger portions. They've hired a private health care firm, which "either meets or exceeds standards."   http://www.privateci.org/pennsylvania.htm  .....evidently the women have a decent choir http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=hV2gJOpf51o ...and let's face it, older folks such as the shooter might like a little more physical contact, perhaps even love from Bubba could make him feel special.
 
2013-08-06 02:04:36 PM
 Rockne Newell had a donation page on GiveForward, he needed $10,000 by Oct 19th of last year and it looks like he managed to raise $0.
 
2013-08-06 02:05:09 PM

dodecahedron: These are not sheds by definition. Why don't you show me on that Wikipedia page where it says you can move and install and live in one of these small houses without getting permits? You CANT.


Actually, so long as it has wheels on it, yes you can.  Because it's not a building.  It's a vehicle.
 
2013-08-06 02:14:32 PM

vudukungfu: Maybe the governor could have offered him some money for the property. It worked out pretty good in Vermont.


Sane is, if the crazy old farts property is an eyesore and he wont or can't clean it up, city gets a court order, sends city works in to clean it up and then slaps a lien on the property, there problem solved.
 
2013-08-06 02:20:31 PM

Ed Grubermann: dittybopper:According to him, he has a composting toilet, which is a sanitation system.

And yet, there were complaints of buckets of human waste on his property.


Did you not read the post where I said it could be a case where both are correct:  There are portable composting toilets that use 5 gallon buckets for waste collection, for use in a compost pile.

Apparently, you take your dump, cover the material with 6" of compost like sawdust or other like material, and repeat.  When the bucket is full, you empty it into the compost heap.  The action of heat from decomposition kills the pathogens in the feces, so by the time it's ready for use, it's perfectly safe.

Now, this guy may or may not have been doing that, but it's not totally out of the question that it might be safe and relatively sanitary to use buckets for that.

/Wouldn't do that myself.
//Would dig a nice, big pit latrine and let nature to the work for me.
 
2013-08-06 02:22:44 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: PunGent:

Probably not...but that doesn't mean existing laws weren't enforced selectively.

Wouldn't be the first time someone with buddies on the zoning commission wanted property cheap, is all I'm saying.

I'm agreeing with you.

Just still not worth shooting people over.  It's stuff.  I lost all my stuff to my ex.  All of it, including my house, my clothes, my car, my dishes, my cats.  I didn't shoot him.  Thought about it, could have (had access to guns), some people say I should  have.  But I didn't.  No matter how selectively or right out in your face-ly the laws were being enforced, crazy old hoarder guy had no right to shoot them.


Look at it from his perspective.

The guy is 60, on disability, no real outlook on his life, and now the only thing that's his is being taken away and he's being put on the street.

I could see him taking this as a "death sentence", and flipping out over it.

I'm not saying he was right, but think about his perception of the situation.
 
2013-08-06 02:24:54 PM
Lots of uppity people now living in the Poconos. Why, back when I was a boy, you could visit the Poconos, and not have to worry about things like toilets. You could buy one at the hardware store for $20. No more, those things cost hundreds of dollars.
 
2013-08-06 02:38:56 PM

Thingster: Satan's Bunny Slippers: PunGent:

Probably not...but that doesn't mean existing laws weren't enforced selectively.

Wouldn't be the first time someone with buddies on the zoning commission wanted property cheap, is all I'm saying.

I'm agreeing with you.

Just still not worth shooting people over.  It's stuff.  I lost all my stuff to my ex.  All of it, including my house, my clothes, my car, my dishes, my cats.  I didn't shoot him.  Thought about it, could have (had access to guns), some people say I should  have.  But I didn't.  No matter how selectively or right out in your face-ly the laws were being enforced, crazy old hoarder guy had no right to shoot them.

Look at it from his perspective.

The guy is 60, on disability, no real outlook on his life, and now the only thing that's his is being taken away and he's being put on the street.

I could see him taking this as a "death sentence", and flipping out over it.

I'm not saying he was right, but think about his perception of the situation.


Oh, I can see that, and agree with that too....I'm pretty sure that's exactly how the old guy saw it.  But my point originally was aimed at the asstards in here that were cheering that people got shot.  And then PunGent very nicely played debbils abbocate and put out a what ifs....

I understand how he could have felt that way, I really do.  But it still does not give him the RIGHT to go shooting people, and the "HELL YEAH MURRRICA THE FREE" idiots that are all fine with it were the ones I had aimed my original statement at.
 
2013-08-06 02:53:51 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Thingster: Satan's Bunny Slippers: PunGent:

Probably not...but that doesn't mean existing laws weren't enforced selectively.

Wouldn't be the first time someone with buddies on the zoning commission wanted property cheap, is all I'm saying.

I'm agreeing with you.

Just still not worth shooting people over.  It's stuff.  I lost all my stuff to my ex.  All of it, including my house, my clothes, my car, my dishes, my cats.  I didn't shoot him.  Thought about it, could have (had access to guns), some people say I should  have.  But I didn't.  No matter how selectively or right out in your face-ly the laws were being enforced, crazy old hoarder guy had no right to shoot them.

Look at it from his perspective.

The guy is 60, on disability, no real outlook on his life, and now the only thing that's his is being taken away and he's being put on the street.

I could see him taking this as a "death sentence", and flipping out over it.

I'm not saying he was right, but think about his perception of the situation.

Oh, I can see that, and agree with that too....I'm pretty sure that's exactly how the old guy saw it.  But my point originally was aimed at the asstards in here that were cheering that people got shot.  And then PunGent very nicely played debbils abbocate and put out a what ifs....

I understand how he could have felt that way, I really do.  But it still does not give him the RIGHT to go shooting people, and the "HELL YEAH MURRRICA THE FREE" idiots that are all fine with it were the ones I had aimed my original statement at.


I completely agree, I'm just saying in his mind he was correct, though he doesn't have the right.

Though it is the idea behind stealing a horse used to be a hanging offense - unless the person has the means to immediately replace it, the thief had likely killed the victim by proxy.


There are also a couple old sayings about when you have nothing to lose, you have everything to gain and about not picking fights with old men, they're too old to get hurt so they'll just kill you.

shiatty situation all around it seems.
 
2013-08-06 02:56:29 PM
Thingster: shiatty situation all around it seems. 


That's pretty much it.  Sad and shiatty.
 
2013-08-06 02:56:59 PM

dittybopper: dodecahedron: These are not sheds by definition. Why don't you show me on that Wikipedia page where it says you can move and install and live in one of these small houses without getting permits? You CANT.

Actually, so long as it has wheels on it, yes you can.  Because it's not a building.  It's a vehicle.


His shed is a shed and it's for storage. The word "only" makes no difference, storage is not the same as dwelling. His shed is not on wheels, so stop being obtuse. This isn't a motor home we're talking about. If you want to live in a place without zoning and property laws, move to farking Somalia.
 
2013-08-06 02:59:17 PM

dittybopper: Ed Grubermann: dittybopper:According to him, he has a composting toilet, which is a sanitation system.

And yet, there were complaints of buckets of human waste on his property.

Did you not read the post where I said it could be a case where both are correct:  There are portable composting toilets that use 5 gallon buckets for waste collection, for use in a compost pile.

Apparently, you take your dump, cover the material with 6" of compost like sawdust or other like material, and repeat.  When the bucket is full, you empty it into the compost heap.  The action of heat from decomposition kills the pathogens in the feces, so by the time it's ready for use, it's perfectly safe.

Now, this guy may or may not have been doing that, but it's not totally out of the question that it might be safe and relatively sanitary to use buckets for that.

/Wouldn't do that myself.
//Would dig a nice, big pit latrine and let nature to the work for me.


A composting TOILET is NOT the same as a compost PILE. You fail miserably.
 
2013-08-06 03:02:02 PM

monoski: Ed Grubermann: dittybopper:According to him, he has a composting toilet, which is a sanitation system.

And yet, there were complaints of buckets of human waste on his property.

GIS the guy's house. Poop in a bucket was only one small part of the problem.


Dittybopper is an idiot. Nobody in this entire country are you allowed to have an open compost pit as a sanitary system. He's either a troll or a farking imbecile.
 
2013-08-06 03:12:15 PM

airsupport: kid_icarus: Pocket Ninja: I wonder how long it will be before somebody points out that if everybody in the town meeting had been armed, this wouldn't have happened.

If by "arms" you mean hugs. He could have been stopped with the power of love if everyone had just come together and opened their hearts.

He was stopped by a bear hug from a bystander.


... exactly as the framers intended by the right to bear arms.
 
2013-08-06 03:39:34 PM
if someone had a "compost toliet" and was pooping in buckets and spreading it across his land, my city government better try and shut him down.

And if the asshole just ignores the law for 17 years, what recourse does the city have?

This dead guy was a loser, plain and simple.
 
2013-08-06 03:39:37 PM

MythDragon: Glory glory hallelujah
My teacher hit me with a ruler
I met her in the hall and revved the chainsaw
And she ain't gonna teach no more.


Glory glory hallelujah
My teacher hit me with a ruler
I sprayed her in the face with a can of Army mace
And she ain't gonna teach no more
 
2013-08-06 03:41:18 PM

PunGent: Satan's Bunny Slippers: LasersHurt: KrispyKritter: Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does.

You wish you had the balls to kill innocent people, eh?

StrangeQ: honestly they got exactly what was coming to them.

Has everyone lost their farking minds or what

Yes.  Farking gun nut freedom lovin murrrricans can KISS MY LILY WHITE FAT ASS

NO ONE deserves to be shot over some crap like this, and those of you cheering it, I hope one day someone you love gets the same treatment, shot by some crazy person because they followed the law and did their jobs.

Fark all you nuts.

Just to play devil's advocate here, "following the law and doing your job", in and of itself...hasn't washed as an excuse since Nuremberg.

There's got to be underlying justice, as well.  Not to Godwin the thread, but plenty of the Nazis' mass-murdering?
Perfectly legal.  They'd made it so.  In D&D terms, you might think of them as Lawful Evil.

Now, no idea what happened here, but it's not automatically the case that the victims were innocent.  Quite likely, but not automatic.


So you know it was the *council members* who got shot? And not, say, folks simply attending the meeting?
 
2013-08-06 03:46:23 PM
also, the guy wasn't "60" when this started, he was 43!  Was he on disability then too?  Was he "too injured" to follow the zoning laws then?
 
2013-08-06 04:06:10 PM

pacified: also, the guy wasn't "60" when this started, he was 43!  Was he on disability then too?  Was he "too injured" to follow the zoning laws then?


1.) The articles state that he was injured in a vehicle accident which is why he is on disability, not due to his age.
2.) The City made numerous errors apparently. The inspector told his contractor to build the culvert taller than what should have been built and the City came back and told him he had to build it properly.
3.) The poop-buckets were discovered by law enforcement when they got onto his premises, I have not seen any mention of complaints from neighbors.
4.) The document regarding his shack he built was edited by a third party after it was drafted and dually signed by the City and the crazy old man. This was confirmed by the original drafter from the city.

I understand there are zoning laws, but if it is not visible to neighbors and does not create a health or safety to concern to others - how does that matter?

I am actually curious because at work, we own our own building that is located partially in an industrially area and partially in a residential area. There is a house next to us and the lady living in it currently is an "old crazy cat lady" with 10 dogs in her backyard and her front yard looks like a garage sale all the time. The storm ditches supposedly maintained by the city are always overgrown plus there is an empty lot that Hispanic members of the community use to dispose of things they do not want like mattresses, couches, toilets, etc. It is really frustrating because none of this is really a health or safety concern, but moreso an extreme eyesore that does not give a good impression to clients coming to our building. We have complained to the city before, but the city is worse at maintaining itself than the crazy cat lady is.
 
2013-08-06 04:12:26 PM

the money is in the banana stand: pacified: also, the guy wasn't "60" when this started, he was 43!  Was he on disability then too?  Was he "too injured" to follow the zoning laws then?

1.) The articles state that he was injured in a vehicle accident which is why he is on disability, not due to his age.
2.) The City made numerous errors apparently. The inspector told his contractor to build the culvert taller than what should have been built and the City came back and told him he had to build it properly.
3.) The poop-buckets were discovered by law enforcement when they got onto his premises, I have not seen any mention of complaints from neighbors.
4.) The document regarding his shack he built was edited by a third party after it was drafted and dually signed by the City and the crazy old man. This was confirmed by the original drafter from the city.

I understand there are zoning laws, but if it is not visible to neighbors and does not create a health or safety to concern to others - how does that matter?

I am actually curious because at work, we own our own building that is located partially in an industrially area and partially in a residential area. There is a house next to us and the lady living in it currently is an "old crazy cat lady" with 10 dogs in her backyard and her front yard looks like a garage sale all the time. The storm ditches supposedly maintained by the city are always overgrown plus there is an empty lot that Hispanic members of the community use to dispose of things they do not want like mattresses, couches, toilets, etc. It is really frustrating because none of this is really a health or safety concern, but moreso an extreme eyesore that does not give a good impression to clients coming to our building. We have complained to the city before, but the city is worse at maintaining itself than the crazy cat lady is.


Dispose of the mattresses in a very visible way and I bet the fire Marshall will get on the DPWs case
 
2013-08-06 04:27:33 PM
Local paper now has 23 shotd fired from a ruger mini-14 and the pistol he went back to his car for was a 44 mag.
What a mini 14 looks like to the media.
th09.deviantart.net
 
2013-08-06 05:27:41 PM
"I wish I killed more of them."

"I got a .44 slug on my leg. Hospital says it's still in there. They gave me no pain medication and sent me on my way. I'm bleeding all over the place."

Yeah, how'd that happen again?
 
2013-08-06 05:46:27 PM

efts: this guy was just testing the adage "you can't fight city hall."


This. Apparently you can, if you have guns and they don't.


And as far as the dispute, we're being asked to choose between a crazy, gun-toting asshole and a municipal government ... Too close to call.

Kidding. Mostly.
 
2013-08-06 05:59:00 PM
They ought to have armed bouncers enforce face control for public buildings.  So many of the spree gunners look like that guy, don't they?
 
2013-08-06 06:08:49 PM

wataga123: Local paper now has 23 shotd fired from a ruger mini-14 and the pistol he went back to his car for was a 44 mag.
What a mini 14 looks like to the media.
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go fark yourself. you slobbering, nugent fellating, gun licking, gun giggling, pretentious yet mouth breathing. dittybopper farking asshole.
 
2013-08-06 06:59:23 PM

BuckTurgidson: airsupport: kid_icarus: Pocket Ninja: I wonder how long it will be before somebody points out that if everybody in the town meeting had been armed, this wouldn't have happened.

If by "arms" you mean hugs. He could have been stopped with the power of love if everyone had just come together and opened their hearts.

He was stopped by a bear hug from a bystander.

... exactly as the framers intended by the right to bear arms.


Magnificent.
 
2013-08-06 07:48:39 PM

dodecahedron: monoski: Ed Grubermann: dittybopper:According to him, he has a composting toilet, which is a sanitation system.

And yet, there were complaints of buckets of human waste on his property.

GIS the guy's house. Poop in a bucket was only one small part of the problem.

Dittybopper is an idiot. Nobody in this entire country are you allowed to have an open compost pit as a sanitary system. He's either a troll or a farking imbecile.


Tell that to Mother Earth News.

Apparently, a veritable shiat-load of people are doing it.
 
2013-08-06 08:27:31 PM

dittybopper: dodecahedron: Dittybopper is an idiot. Nobody in this entire country are you allowed to have an open compost pit as a sanitary system. He's either a troll or a farking imbecile.

Tell that to Mother Earth News.


ctrl+f "open compost pit"

Tell them what?
 
2013-08-06 08:51:14 PM

dittybopper: redmid17: dittybopper: redmid17: /don't shiat and bury it in the ground
//that's gross. use a sanitary alternative

Actually, that *IS* a sanitary alternative when done correctly.  And it's not hard to do correctly.

A composting toilet would be a sanitary alternative. I meant don't literally dig only a hole to shiat it and then cover it up. That's gross.

Depends on how deep the hole is.  Nature can take care of it quite well if you dig a decent pit, and make sure to cover it afterwards.  As I recall from my camping days, a 6" hole was adequate for a single "session".   You obviously don't want to do it right next to a water source, though.

It might seem gross, but biologically, there's little danger if done correctly.


The way I was always taught to do a cathole (the good old "dig a hole and shiat in it" method) was that you go at least 150 yards from the nearest water source and dig at least six inches deep.  (And yes, I got my initial experience with catholes via an Outward Bound trip that also involved my first experience with orienteering.  Primitive camping can be fun despite some of the slogging-through-rhododendron-to-poop stuff :D)

Of course, for those who've never been on an Outward Bound or similar primitive camping weekend course, there actually is a book all about teaching one how to shiat in the woods in a sanitary manner when backcountry camping :D

(Also--and I'm really surprised this has NOT been brought up yet--when I saw the link someone had posted yesterday for Crazy Shooter Fellow's property being up for auction, I did notice that there was a very specific notation on it that it was considered wetlands and "could not be developed or built on"; I actually suspect the real reason that the property was condemned (and why Crazy Shooter Guy couldn't get formal permits to do building) is not HOA Politics or Crazy Hoarder Fellow but a mix of these PLUS research finding that this was apparently a protected wetland where development wouldn't have been allowed at all and Crazy Shooter Guy was gifted with a piece of property that was effectively useless for anything short of woodlands property to put a nice hunting blind on.)
 
2013-08-06 09:12:17 PM

redmid17: dittybopper: redmid17: dittybopper: redmid17: /don't shiat and bury it in the ground
//that's gross. use a sanitary alternative

Actually, that *IS* a sanitary alternative when done correctly.  And it's not hard to do correctly.

A composting toilet would be a sanitary alternative. I meant don't literally dig only a hole to shiat it and then cover it up. That's gross.

Depends on how deep the hole is.  Nature can take care of it quite well if you dig a decent pit, and make sure to cover it afterwards.  As I recall from my camping days, a 6" hole was adequate for a single "session".   You obviously don't want to do it right next to a water source, though.

It might seem gross, but biologically, there's little danger if done correctly.

No for sure it's fine as a one-off. I was posting in context of continued habitation of the aforementioned property. I don't know anyone who's installed a composting toilet to go camping in the woods.


Apparently you don't know a number of Farkers as well as the National Park Service or National Forest Service or even certain educational demonstration farms, then. :D

Pretty much that's what we do with the "family park" piece of property relatives and I have for camping and fishing--yes, aforementioned hole-commode is more than 150 feet from a water source, and because there's not permanent buildings on the property and it's not permanently occupied we just use a pit toilet instead.  (To keep it from getting TOO stinky we do put leaves and compostable material in at day's end, so basically it operates as a composing toilet nowadays.)

The NPS and National Forest Service have also set up composting toilets in certain popular backcountry trails in a number of national parks (partly to discourage digging catholes and partly because they're more sanitary and eco-friendly than vault toilets); there's even a demonstration farm here in Louisville that has had composting toilets for the better part of 25 years (Blackacre Conservancy which is all-around a cool place--they also raise a LOT of heritage crops and heritage varieties of livestock, and pretty much run the place as a demonstration farm especially for high schools; this is where I was originally introduced to the idea of composting toilets versus old-style outhouses, in fact).
 
2013-08-06 09:20:55 PM

the money is in the banana stand: The storm ditches supposedly maintained by the city are always overgrown plus there is an empty lot that Hispanic members of the community use to dispose of things they do not want like mattresses, couches, toilets, etc. It is really frustrating because none of this is really a health or safety concern, but moreso an extreme eyesore that does not give a good impression to clients coming to our building. We have complained to the city before, but the city is worse at maintaining itself than the crazy cat lady is.


A company I worked for had your problem.  Their solution was to hire a couple of day laborers every few months to haul away the trash.  It's really the path of least hassle and risk.
 
2013-08-06 09:24:00 PM

Into the blue again: So it's OK for him to shoot wildly through a wall then storm the building shooting? I am confused.....


That's not what I suggested at all. Don't be an idiot.
 
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