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(ABC)   That town meeting shooting last night? Yeah, that was due to a property dispute between the owner and the town. I mean that was the best way to handle such things, right?   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 260
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2013-08-06 09:37:56 AM
Wow.

Lot of pro-murder anti-authority wanna-be libertarian trolling douche accounts coming out of the woodwork for this thread.
 
2013-08-06 09:39:32 AM

Spade: Into the blue again: LasersHurt: KrispyKritter: Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does.

You wish you had the balls to kill innocent people, eh?

StrangeQ: honestly they got exactly what was coming to them.

Has everyone lost their farking minds or what

It's this whole right wing extreme thing going on. The last 30 years (especially the last 8) they have constantly barraged people about the rights and 2nd amendment solutions. This is the result.

No, you see, you're only allowed to have this kind of response if you're a foreigner who's been oppressed by US government policies for decades, especially if you have a different culture from the mainstream US.

If you're actually a US citizen being oppressed for decades, then you should bend over and take it.

If the US had been trying to take this guy's land in Yemen to build a base, and he'd gone all carbomby, then the same people here saying this guy would evil would be talking about how the US shouldn't have messed with him.


What is this, I don't even.....
 
2013-08-06 09:39:44 AM
OK, so I took a look on Google Earth of this guy's property.

It's completely wooded, on a section of road that has at most one other home on it.  It's in a deep valley also, so the chances of him getting a lot of other neighbors are fairly slim.

Seems to me this guy's only real crime prior to committing murder* is "living off the grid" on the cheap.  And yeah, his place is a dump, but it can hardly be considered an eyesore because you can't really see it unless you go up his driveway.


*Make no mistake, I may be sympathetic to his plight home-wise, but that's not an excuse to kill people indiscriminately.
 
2013-08-06 09:41:02 AM
Wasn't the US formed because of a violent reaction to a property dispute?
 
2013-08-06 09:41:06 AM

HotWingConspiracy: LasersHurt: KrispyKritter: Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does.

You wish you had the balls to kill innocent people, eh?

StrangeQ: honestly they got exactly what was coming to them.

Has everyone lost their farking minds or what

Of course they have, they're on a steady diet of right wing gun nut culture. All of them are just itching for a fight like this. They'll see it as righteous justice when they shoot down unarmed people because of some perceived slight from the gummermint.


Oddly enough, if you read the guy's facebook page...he wasn't right wing. Well, except on guns.

Otherwise he was full on left. Hated religion (mostly Christianity), hated Republicans, loved government assistance programs, etc.

In other words, he was the kind of guy who probably thought government was supposed to be there to <i>help</i> him. Not steal his land and run him out of town at gunpoint. You can see why he felt betrayed.
 
2013-08-06 09:41:16 AM

dittybopper: *Make no mistake, I may be sympathetic to his plight home-wise, but that's not an excuse to kill people indiscriminately.


This is the fine line between the generally reasonable, you, and these other twinklefarks.
 
2013-08-06 09:42:05 AM

snowshovel: LasersHurt: Pocket Ninja: I wonder how long it will be before somebody points out that if everybody in the town meeting had been armed, this wouldn't have happened.

Sure, they could have returned fire through the wall. That would have worked out, I'm sure.

The thing that everyone is missing here is that due to various Democratic-enforced building codes and safety regulations, the town hall was not built with walls strong enough to stop bullets based on the current regulations. If the job-killing building codes were removed, the free market would've driven the cost down to the point where the town would've selectively chosen to install bullet-stopping concrete walls when building the town hall.

So, thanks Obama, for another set of countless gun deaths on your watch. Romney would've put an end to this madness.


Oh my, You are highlighted as favorite now. This is perfection, thanks!!
 
2013-08-06 09:42:08 AM

durbnpoisn: The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.


So, yeah, because he could afford to spend a couple hundred bucks for some guns that he likely bought decades ago, he can afford to put in a $40,000 septic system.
 
2013-08-06 09:43:46 AM

LasersHurt: dittybopper: *Make no mistake, I may be sympathetic to his plight home-wise, but that's not an excuse to kill people indiscriminately.

This is the fine line between the generally reasonable, you, and these other twinklefarks.


Ah yes, the "I don't like what this is, but rules is rules and we should all just obey the rules even if they are arbitrary and discriminatory because I don't like to fight" mentality.
 
2013-08-06 09:48:13 AM

dittybopper: durbnpoisn: The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.

So, yeah, because he could afford to spend a couple hundred bucks for some guns that he likely bought decades ago, he can afford to put in a $40,000 septic system.


Jesus christ what does a septic system cost where you live holy shiat...

While I am sympathetic to this guy too, he had many many many years to try to improve things, too.
 
2013-08-06 09:48:23 AM

dittybopper: OK, so I took a look on Google Earth of this guy's property.

It's completely wooded, on a section of road that has at most one other home on it.  It's in a deep valley also, so the chances of him getting a lot of other neighbors are fairly slim.

Seems to me this guy's only real crime prior to committing murder* is "living off the grid" on the cheap.  And yeah, his place is a dump, but it can hardly be considered an eyesore because you can't really see it unless you go up his driveway.


*Make no mistake, I may be sympathetic to his plight home-wise, but that's not an excuse to kill people indiscriminately.


Living off the grid? Dude had an iPhone. Come on. He bought things, he had a monthly disability income. You aren't allowed to live in a farking shed with no sanitation system, I don't care where it is. The culvert he built was not to code, he didn't bother to even check with the county because he claims FEMA told him he didn't have to, something FEMA said they never told him. The dude is nuts and paranoid. I lived next to a little old lady who was mentally challenged and hoarded, she used to drag everyone's trash in her yard and the rats were everywhere. The health department can and does have the right to condemn a property if you don't follow laws.
 
2013-08-06 09:48:51 AM

StrangeQ: LasersHurt: dittybopper: *Make no mistake, I may be sympathetic to his plight home-wise, but that's not an excuse to kill people indiscriminately.

This is the fine line between the generally reasonable, you, and these other twinklefarks.

Ah yes, the "I don't like what this is, but rules is rules and we should all just obey the rules even if they are arbitrary and discriminatory because I don't like to fight" mentality.


Murder. Murder is the rule in question. Don't do that, at all.
 
2013-08-06 09:54:34 AM

LasersHurt: StrangeQ: LasersHurt: dittybopper: *Make no mistake, I may be sympathetic to his plight home-wise, but that's not an excuse to kill people indiscriminately.

This is the fine line between the generally reasonable, you, and these other twinklefarks.

Ah yes, the "I don't like what this is, but rules is rules and we should all just obey the rules even if they are arbitrary and discriminatory because I don't like to fight" mentality.

Murder. Murder is the rule in question. Don't do that, at all.


So what was it when we revolted against the Brittish?
 
2013-08-06 09:55:22 AM
I was kinda under the impression that the full issue here was that his property was a total friggin junk yard.

You know, he could probably sold most of the garbage on his land, cleaned it up, and had plenty of money to live however he wanted.

All the people in this thread defending his right to be a garbage horder are seeming a little strange to me.
 
2013-08-06 09:55:26 AM

dodecahedron: Or computing equipment...he has a Facebook page and mentions it.

Rockne Newell:

https://www.facebook.com/rockne1865?fref=ts


Reads more like his phone was his link to the world, and the only link he had.  He comments on various phones (HTC, iPhone, Samsung).   He doesn't say he actually *HAS* them, though, except for the iPhones (he had an iPhone 3GS, then upgraded to an iPhone 5).

I don't see a mention of computer equipment like laptops, etc.  Maybe I missed it.

Also, reading this, it's pretty plain his political orientation leaned to the left.  I find this hilarious, personally:

We need more environmental Regulations after they make a trillion dollar mess it's to late! Remember BP & the gulf! If they had obeyed the rules instead of trying to save a few bucks we wouldn't have a hundred years of mess, Fair Trade will bring back good jobs & raise the value of the dollar hell I just paid $30 for 9 gallons of gas, that's because the Mitt Romney's of the world sent the manufacturing jobs out of the country (which makes America military vulnerable) we need a balance of trade & the best to achieve that is Fair Trade 40 hour work weeks & environmental regulations or a tarrif & 10% make being a polluter costly! We can compete if everybody has the same costs & we can all have clean air, water & a nice life!

Nice how he thinks the rules should apply to corporations, but not himself.

Having said that, he didn't have the money that BP had, but still, it does sound a tad hypocritical.
 
2013-08-06 09:55:33 AM

LasersHurt: dittybopper: durbnpoisn: The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.

So, yeah, because he could afford to spend a couple hundred bucks for some guns that he likely bought decades ago, he can afford to put in a $40,000 septic system.

Jesus christ what does a septic system cost where you live holy shiat...

While I am sympathetic to this guy too, he had many many many years to try to improve things, too.


This is what the crazy fark claimed in one of the old articles that it would cost for a sewer connection. A septic system, another option, would have clearly cost much less, plus if he actually did have a composting toilet (which I doubt) it could have been permitted for a lot less than either one. But this idiot chose not to follow the law. I don't know what part of "responsible adult" some of you don't understand. Property ownership is not without responsibility.
 
2013-08-06 09:55:41 AM

StrangeQ: LasersHurt: StrangeQ: LasersHurt: dittybopper: *Make no mistake, I may be sympathetic to his plight home-wise, but that's not an excuse to kill people indiscriminately.

This is the fine line between the generally reasonable, you, and these other twinklefarks.

Ah yes, the "I don't like what this is, but rules is rules and we should all just obey the rules even if they are arbitrary and discriminatory because I don't like to fight" mentality.

Murder. Murder is the rule in question. Don't do that, at all.

So what was it when we revolted against the Brittish?


You mean when when we fought uniformed soldiers, instead of gunning down innocents?

I mean I'm being trolled and just not getting it, right?
 
2013-08-06 09:58:56 AM

durbnpoisn: I was kinda under the impression that the full issue here was that his property was a total friggin junk yard.

You know, he could probably sold most of the garbage on his land, cleaned it up, and had plenty of money to live however he wanted.

All the people in this thread defending his right to be a garbage horder are seeming a little strange to me.


I'm a firm believer in that one should be able to do what he pleases with their property, until it affects someone else.

This guy, living in secluded area, was not affecting anyone around him with the way his property was kept.  That's what I gather from reading the article anyway.

Unfortunately, once a city/town/county is out to get you, unless you can afford lawyers for big $$$, you're gonna get the shaft.  I can see why this guy did what he did, though I don't necessarily condone it.
 
2013-08-06 10:03:58 AM

dodecahedron: dittybopper: OK, so I took a look on Google Earth of this guy's property.

It's completely wooded, on a section of road that has at most one other home on it.  It's in a deep valley also, so the chances of him getting a lot of other neighbors are fairly slim.

Seems to me this guy's only real crime prior to committing murder* is "living off the grid" on the cheap.  And yeah, his place is a dump, but it can hardly be considered an eyesore because you can't really see it unless you go up his driveway.


*Make no mistake, I may be sympathetic to his plight home-wise, but that's not an excuse to kill people indiscriminately.

Living off the grid? Dude had an iPhone. Come on. He bought things, he had a monthly disability income. You aren't allowed to live in a farking shed with no sanitation system, I don't care where it is. The culvert he built was not to code, he didn't bother to even check with the county because he claims FEMA told him he didn't have to, something FEMA said they never told him. The dude is nuts and paranoid. I lived next to a little old lady who was mentally challenged and hoarded, she used to drag everyone's trash in her yard and the rats were everywhere. The health department can and does have the right to condemn a property if you don't follow laws.


You're also glossing over the DEP employee who allowed the construction to continue and specifically dictated that the culvert be installed higher than allowed by DEP regulations, though he should have gotten permits in the first place. The FEMA crutch is a non sequitur for both sides, and frankly I think the township/DEP bears the burden of addressing this issue since they explicitly allowed work to continue. Issue a special exemption as a one-off or grandfather him in. As long as the culvert isn't structurally deficient or inhibiting the water flow, I really don't see why the township/DEP would be up in arms.

"  Weredyk then let the contractor continue work, but directed the contractor to install the culvert six inches higher than what state Department of Environmental Protection permit regulations allow, Newell said."Now, because of Weredyk's mistake, they're telling me the culvert blocks the stream's flow instead of letting it pass through," he said. "So now, they're not giving me a permit until that gets fixed, which I don't have the money to do. The contractor who was doing the work for me, when Weredyk came and screwed things up, is a friend of mine who knows I have no money and was doing me a favor."

You are also glossing over the town falsifying documents after they'd been filed.

Newell appealed in county court, presenting the township's copy of his building permit application form. On the form's "building's intended use" line, someone had written "only" after "storage" so that it read "storage only."


The township employee who handled the application testified she and Newell signed the form and that someone else afterward must have put that "only" there, without her or Newell's knowledge. Newell said this proved the township had not required him to get a separate permit to use the structure also as a dwelling.



A composting toilet isn't ideal, but as long as it was functional, sealed, and not posing a health threat to anyone, I don't see why they'd require a septic system. It's not like they were requiring him to hookup water to live on the property (if they did, I couldn't find it). Then again, composting toilets come in a wide range of quality, so it's a legitimate beef unless more information comes available.


Shooting people was not the way to go, but it does seem the township was never really fond of this guy owning that property.


http://m.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130610/NEWS/ 306 100327&template=wapart
 
2013-08-06 10:04:00 AM

LasersHurt: StrangeQ: LasersHurt: StrangeQ: LasersHurt: dittybopper: *Make no mistake, I may be sympathetic to his plight home-wise, but that's not an excuse to kill people indiscriminately.

This is the fine line between the generally reasonable, you, and these other twinklefarks.

Ah yes, the "I don't like what this is, but rules is rules and we should all just obey the rules even if they are arbitrary and discriminatory because I don't like to fight" mentality.

Murder. Murder is the rule in question. Don't do that, at all.

So what was it when we revolted against the Brittish?

You mean when when we fought uniformed soldiers, instead of gunning down innocents?

I mean I'm being trolled and just not getting it, right?


Innocents would imply that they had no connection to the issue at hand.
 
2013-08-06 10:05:42 AM

StrangeQ: Innocents would imply that they had no connection to the issue at hand.


Did they? How do you know which people were involved with that man's case? And what did they do that deserved death?

Either I'm being trolled, OR you're too farked for me to acknowledge any further.
 
2013-08-06 10:06:52 AM

LasersHurt: dittybopper: durbnpoisn: The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.

So, yeah, because he could afford to spend a couple hundred bucks for some guns that he likely bought decades ago, he can afford to put in a $40,000 septic system.

Jesus christ what does a septic system cost where you live holy shiat...

While I am sympathetic to this guy too, he had many many many years to try to improve things, too.


Read the one article:  According to him, it would have cost him $40,000 for the soil testing.

I find that hard to believe, but I can believe it might cost him $40,000 to have a septic system put in with all the associated costs:  He lives in what is essentially a canyon with a small stream running through it, and he's uphill of the stream.

I don't know if he has electricity or water running to his house, but I doubt it if he's using a composting toilet.

He would probably have to have either a well drilled or water run up to the house in order to use a flush toilet, and as I said, he's on the side of a hill, so putting a septic system in, along with the other costs, would have been prohibitive.  Maybe he was exaggerating the cost, but even if it only would cost $15,000 total (Average cost in his zip code of 15237 is about $8,000), doesn't seem to me like he could afford something like that.
 
2013-08-06 10:07:59 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Spade: Maybe the government shouldn't have tried to run a guy off his land through an expensive regulatory scheme?

Small town in NEPA so you can assume it is corrupt as hell.

According to previous reports, Newell got a building permit from the township to have a storage structure on the property, but then built a dwelling without first getting a zoning permit or certificate of occupancy from the township.

Over the years, authorities have responded to Newell's property as a result of neighbor complaints and on one occasion in 2009 found human fecal matter in buckets there, according to previous reports in the Pocono Record.

The township determined he was improperly disposing of sewage with no septic system or permit for one.

Yeah they totally deserved to die for crossing this asshole.


If the hillbilly wants to shiat in a bucket, let him. It's rural rock patch at the base of the Pocono Mts. Not even decent farm country. Shale and conifers.

They have a saying around there, Leave these old kooks be, or you might get shot.
 
2013-08-06 10:09:05 AM

somedude210: LasersHurt: Yes, the town MADE HIM shoot people. It's really their fault, dressing that way.

*headdesk* fark it, I give up. No one's to blame, this is a completely unpreventable situation and it was bound to happen


THIS.  Don't try to understand crazy, and if you CAN understand it... seek help?
 
2013-08-06 10:09:08 AM

dittybopper: Maybe he was exaggerating the cost, but even if it only would cost $15,000 total (Average cost in his zip code of 15237 is about $8,000), doesn't seem to me like he could afford something like that.


He was absolutely exaggerating it. I live right around here.

My point about him having years is related here - he had time to put together money for improvements. He knew there needed to be improvements. He did not make them.
 
2013-08-06 10:12:34 AM

dittybopper: durbnpoisn: The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.

So, yeah, because he could afford to spend a couple hundred bucks for some guns that he likely bought decades ago, he can afford to put in a $40,000 septic system.


Don't forget that he had a computer.  He could afford a computer and possibly internet access.  To some in this thread, that means he can afford tens of thousands of dollars in up front costs to jump through whatever hoops the town put in front of him.
 
2013-08-06 10:13:35 AM

LasersHurt: StrangeQ: LasersHurt: dittybopper: *Make no mistake, I may be sympathetic to his plight home-wise, but that's not an excuse to kill people indiscriminately.

This is the fine line between the generally reasonable, you, and these other twinklefarks.

Ah yes, the "I don't like what this is, but rules is rules and we should all just obey the rules even if they are arbitrary and discriminatory because I don't like to fight" mentality.

Murder. Murder is the rule in question. Don't do that, at all.


this is awesome. this thread has cheered me right up
 
2013-08-06 10:13:37 AM

WTF Indeed: somedude210: or you can argue that the town was in the wrong to begin with and shouldn't have pushed a guy to this point, but no, let's blame subby

Or you can shut the f*ck up

(emphasis mine)
Now THERE's another candidate for Conflict Resolution Classes.

We don't teach that to kids at all and now, that Mr. Rogers is dead, there's no where to even stumble across it.
(yeah, I know, but they're the older nicer ones so they don't count *sarcasm*)
Nobody dislikes anything anymore -  we "Hate" it
Only violence solves problems - from Powerpuff Girls to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles kids don't know there is an alternate path to resolution.  Peaceful Resolution is just not in their skill set and seems like an alien concept to them.
Our evening news is no help either, only a smallish thirty second bow to sanity at the end of each newscast which is easily dismissible as pandering to "weaklings".

This person, this shooter is of an age that he's grown up with television and so he has a "modern view" of the world, one that's been mediated by corporations.  There's enormous amounts of money to be made by cultivating fear among the populace.  Rush, Glen, Sarah, Ann all understand this and because of it they teeter on the edge of racism and fear mongering,
Dividing us up as either have's or have more's afraid of the have not's.  Which is plainly decipherable as white vs non-white, native vs non-native, rich vs poor.

This is not the only problem though it's a huge one.  Another issue that feeds into this is the "I'm so busy and resolution takes time to achieve so  .  .  .  "Shut the f*ck up" is a quick method to dismiss anyone else's opposing view.
It's taken me a good deal of time to write this but, for me, this is a very important topic this lack of desire for Conflict Resolution.
I have a kid, I want her to grow and enjoy the best that's possible in this world and you can't do that if you're in a coffin.

As bad as it is now, it will only get worse because there is nothing to stop it.
Similar to "The Guns of Will Sonnet", no lie, just fact.
 
2013-08-06 10:14:08 AM
So pretty much the shooter will now get free food, healthcare, shelter, television, education, and more. Take note Baby Boomers, not a bad retirement plan right?
 
2013-08-06 10:18:56 AM

redmid17: A composting toilet isn't ideal, but as long as it was functional, sealed, and not posing a health threat to anyone, I don't see why they'd require a septic system. It's not like they were requiring him to hookup water to live on the property (if they did, I couldn't find it). Then again, composting toilets come in a wide range of quality, so it's a legitimate beef unless more information comes available.


Shooting people was not the way to go, but it does seem the township was never really fond of this guy owning that property.


Right, blame the townspeople for causing their own deaths. Is freedom from zoning laws in your retarded version the Constitution too?
 
2013-08-06 10:19:37 AM

dodecahedron: Living off the grid? Dude had an iPhone.


Gee, that's odd.  Why would a person who lived in a place with (I assume) no electricity, water, or copper phone lines chose to use a cell phone?  That just seems wrong, he should have purchased a wired sound-powered field telephone from the local Army/Navy surplus store or something.

Come on. He bought things, he had a monthly disability income. You aren't allowed to live in a farking shed with no sanitation system, I don't care where it is.

According to him, he has a composting toilet, which is a sanitation system.

Also, you are allowed to live in a shed with minimum stuff in it.   People do it all the time.

In fact, had he a couple of campers on his property.  If he lived in them, they probably couldn't have done anything about it.  In fact, I think that's why he was allowed to remain, because they couldn't prove he was living in the shack itself until he told them that's where he lived.
 
2013-08-06 10:20:51 AM

Outrageous Muff: redmid17: A composting toilet isn't ideal, but as long as it was functional, sealed, and not posing a health threat to anyone, I don't see why they'd require a septic system. It's not like they were requiring him to hookup water to live on the property (if they did, I couldn't find it). Then again, composting toilets come in a wide range of quality, so it's a legitimate beef unless more information comes available.


Shooting people was not the way to go, but it does seem the township was never really fond of this guy owning that property.

Right, blame the townspeople for causing their own deaths. Is freedom from zoning laws in your retarded version the Constitution too?


Ah the special ed guy is back. You never did answer my question about which cartels had been listed as terrorist organizations yesterday. You actually ran from the thread after multiple people called you out on your nonsensical posts. Seems like you're doubling down today.
 
2013-08-06 10:21:45 AM

dittybopper: durbnpoisn: The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.

So, yeah, because he could afford to spend a couple hundred bucks for some guns that he likely bought decades ago, he can afford to put in a $40,000 septic system.


Money or not, you cannot just crap in buckets and dump it around your property. It is a health hazard to anyone who lives downstream from the home.
 
2013-08-06 10:21:46 AM
I'll give ya $20 for the poop buckets...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-06 10:22:40 AM

redmid17: Ah the special ed guy is back. You never did answer my question about which cartels had been listed as terrorist organizations yesterday. You actually ran from the thread after multiple people called you out on your nonsensical posts. Seems like you're doubling down today.


It's nice that you're consistently pro-murder of innocent people in order to stick it to the government.
 
2013-08-06 10:24:03 AM

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: So pretty much the shooter will now get free food, healthcare, shelter, television, education, and more. Take note Baby Boomers, not a bad retirement plan right?


To put it in perspective, in many ways, it will actually up his standard of living.
 
2013-08-06 10:25:29 AM

monoski: dittybopper: durbnpoisn: The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.

So, yeah, because he could afford to spend a couple hundred bucks for some guns that he likely bought decades ago, he can afford to put in a $40,000 septic system.

Money or not, you cannot just crap in buckets and dump it around your property. It is a health hazard to anyone who lives downstream from the home.


You don't know he did that.  He claims he had a composting toilet.  That's a completely legit way to handle human waste, and you don't know that he was dumping it around his property.  Not even the town made that claim.
 
2013-08-06 10:27:31 AM
It's telling the people in here that are coming to the defense of someone who thinks shiatting into buckets and storing them is sanitary.
 
2013-08-06 10:28:26 AM

Outrageous Muff: redmid17: Ah the special ed guy is back. You never did answer my question about which cartels had been listed as terrorist organizations yesterday. You actually ran from the thread after multiple people called you out on your nonsensical posts. Seems like you're doubling down today.

It's nice that you're consistently pro-murder of innocent people in order to stick it to the government.


You must have missed the part where I condemned the murders. How long will your aide or mother let you stay around and play today.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-06 10:29:37 AM

monoski: dittybopper: durbnpoisn: The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.

So, yeah, because he could afford to spend a couple hundred bucks for some guns that he likely bought decades ago, he can afford to put in a $40,000 septic system.

Money or not, you cannot just crap in buckets and dump it around your property. It is a health hazard to anyone who lives downstream from the home.


So bury it in the ground, problem solved.  Why is it that bears, deer, rabbits and raccoons can shiat in the woods, but when it human does it suddenly becomes a biological hazard?
 
2013-08-06 10:29:56 AM

redmid17: You must have missed the part where I condemned the murders. How long will your aide or mother let you stay around and play today.


Oh I saw. You gave the Chris Rock OJ defense of the murderer. "I don't agree with what he did, but I understand."
 
2013-08-06 10:30:15 AM

StrangeQ: monoski: dittybopper: durbnpoisn: The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.

So, yeah, because he could afford to spend a couple hundred bucks for some guns that he likely bought decades ago, he can afford to put in a $40,000 septic system.

Money or not, you cannot just crap in buckets and dump it around your property. It is a health hazard to anyone who lives downstream from the home.

So bury it in the ground, problem solved.  Why is it that bears, deer, rabbits and raccoons can shiat in the woods, but when it human does it suddenly becomes a biological hazard?


Should one bury in a sealed container, maybe allowing the waste to compost over time?
 
2013-08-06 10:31:40 AM

PunGent: CarnySaur: "This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land was made for only me."

- Woody Guthrie

"This land is my land
It's not your land
I've got a shotgun
You haven't got one
This land was made for me not you..."
This land is private property....



See it rhymes now.
 
2013-08-06 10:32:20 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've been watching Doomsday Preppers a bunch lately and those people are without a doubt the scariest people around. Last night's rerun was some guy whose wife always looked on the verge of tears. When he asked her to go down into the basement bunker he had built under his business, she pleaded with him to let her stay outside. In the next shot, you could see her dashing away around a corner as the dad and other kids were going down into the basement.

Always with the guns and the strategically planted explosives with these people. It's not so much the fact that they are stocking up for what they see are hard times ahead of us. Rather, it's the unfettered distrust they have of their neighbors and society at large.

So this guy shoots up a town meeting. It makes a lot of sense. They've been persecuting him and forcing him to not take the actions he believes he needs to take to prepare himself. The town council has become the enemy. Enemy deserves no mercy. Sweep the leg, Johnny. Get them a body bag.


This guy was NOT a prepper; he was a hoarder who crapped in a bucket, i.e., seriously mentally ill.
 
2013-08-06 10:32:34 AM

Outrageous Muff: It's telling the people in here that are coming to the defense of someone who thinks shiatting into buckets and storing them is sanitary.


It most definitely can be. Look up composting toilets.
 
2013-08-06 10:32:54 AM

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: So pretty much the shooter will now get free food, healthcare, shelter, television, education, and more. Take note Baby Boomers, not a bad retirement plan right?


You are closer to the truth than you think.
 
2013-08-06 10:33:35 AM

airsupport: escherblacksmith: oh the violent songs we knew pre-present day issues
\ "Hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to school we go, with razor blades and hand grenades . . ."

Mine eyes have seen the glory
of the burning of the school
we have tortured every teacher
we have broken every rule
We're gonna hang the principal
tomorrow after school
Third Grade is marching on!


Glory glory hallelujah
My teacher hit me with a ruler
I met her at the door
With a loaded 44
And she ain't my teacher no more


Kids.

Glory glory hallelujah
My teacher hit me with a ruler
I met her in the hall and revved the chainsaw
And she ain't gonna teach no more.
 
2013-08-06 10:34:04 AM

Outrageous Muff: redmid17: You must have missed the part where I condemned the murders. How long will your aide or mother let you stay around and play today.

Oh I saw. You gave the Chris Rock OJ defense of the murderer. "I don't agree with what he did, but I understand."


No. He was wrong to shoot the people nor do I understand. It seems like the town is grinding their axe to an douchetastic extent.
 
2013-08-06 10:34:09 AM

StrangeQ: monoski: dittybopper: durbnpoisn: The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.

So, yeah, because he could afford to spend a couple hundred bucks for some guns that he likely bought decades ago, he can afford to put in a $40,000 septic system.

Money or not, you cannot just crap in buckets and dump it around your property. It is a health hazard to anyone who lives downstream from the home.

So bury it in the ground, problem solved.  Why is it that bears, deer, rabbits and raccoons can shiat in the woods, but when it human does it suddenly becomes a biological hazard?


a) because we're meat eaters
b) we're not cool with a big parasite load, like wild animals are
 
2013-08-06 10:35:12 AM

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: So pretty much the shooter will now get free food, healthcare, shelter, television, education, and more. Take note Baby Boomers, not a bad retirement plan right?


Well it's all good except for the cockroaches. And the rape. Especially the rape.
 
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