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2013-08-06 09:07:51 AM
Uh.. "the owner" of what, the town?
 
2013-08-06 09:08:54 AM

Frizbone: People can't just mind their own farking business and they have to stick their nose into other people's business. This was the result of the Gladys Kravitz mentality of yuppies today who cannot stand other peoples' lifestyle. This guy is a martyr. the ones shot....oh well...


I am totally moving next door to you. And the poop buckets are going under your bedroom window.
 
2013-08-06 09:09:09 AM
The people on that council were no different than a schoolyard bully who poke and prods at a kid until he flies off the handle or breaks down and cries.  I'm sure it was very easy for them to declare that he should clean up his property when they were going home to their $200k perfectly manicured mcmansions every night and didn't have a damn thing to worry about.  They knew what they were doing and they probably enjoyed every moment of it right up until their easy target stuck a gun in their faces.

If they had minded their own farking business and let the man just live out his life none of this would have happened.  Instead, they chose to declare themselves the pretentious shiathead judges of how one should live their live and now they paid the consequences.  Bet they wish they would have just left him alone.

Fark em.
 
2013-08-06 09:09:31 AM

spamdog: Read this, it might change your mind:

Story about the dispute


I assure you it won't.
 
2013-08-06 09:10:31 AM
And of course you have to dig on faux news to find this story... and the comments are disabled. I love that site!
 
2013-08-06 09:11:59 AM
Oh My! ...They arrested Santa?
 
2013-08-06 09:12:56 AM

gilgigamesh: Frizbone: People can't just mind their own farking business and they have to stick their nose into other people's business. This was the result of the Gladys Kravitz mentality of yuppies today who cannot stand other peoples' lifestyle. This guy is a martyr. the ones shot....oh well...

I am totally moving next door to you. And the poop buckets are going under your bedroom window.



And maybe he'll say, "Hey, buddy, I see you're down on your luck. Let's see what help we can get you to get everything set up right."

You know, instead of sending guys with guns to run you off your land.
 
2013-08-06 09:15:35 AM

spamdog: Read this, it might change your mind:

Story about the dispute


So it's OK for him to shoot wildly through a wall then storm the building shooting? I am confused.....
 
2013-08-06 09:15:53 AM

kid_icarus: Pocket Ninja: I wonder how long it will be before somebody points out that if everybody in the town meeting had been armed, this wouldn't have happened.

If by "arms" you mean hugs. He could have been stopped with the power of love if everyone had just come together and opened their hearts.


He was stopped by a bear hug from a bystander.

Snark diffused.
 
2013-08-06 09:16:15 AM

PunGent: CarnySaur: "This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land was made for only me."

- Woody Guthrie

"This land is my land
It's not your land
I've got a shotgun
You haven't got one
This land was made for me not you..."

- my property law professor


As I recall from being a precocious youngster in the 70s . . .

"This land is my land
This land is not your land
I've got a shotgun
and you haven't got one
So you better get off,
or I'll blast you head off,
This land was made for only me . . ."

There were other lyrics, but that is all I recall . . .

\\ oh the violent songs we knew pre-present day issues
\ "Hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to school we go, with razor blades and hand grenades . . ."
 
2013-08-06 09:16:23 AM
So in a town hall meetting, that always has cops on site

The two people who stopped this violence were two average Joes.

Someone book mark this thread to rub in the face of the bootlickers who tell those of us that criticize cops "Fark you next time you call 9-1-1."

Cops fill out reports for your insurance company (be it life or property). Other than that they are useless criminals.
 
2013-08-06 09:16:42 AM

Spade: The guy wasn't hurting anybody. I guess he would've been better off in some homeless shelter with no property or belongings to his name right? Then at least the city folk wouldn't have had to look at him.

Lesson: Don't be different or they will get you one way or another.


Well, now he will be living in a jail cell for quite some time. Guess he showed them!
 
2013-08-06 09:18:30 AM

dittybopper: Pocket Ninja: I wonder how long it will be before somebody points out that if everybody in the town meeting had been armed, this wouldn't have happened.

Actually, someone *DID* use a gun to stop him:

The shooter returned to his car and came back inside with another weapon when a local official at the meeting grabbed him, Reber said.
"(West End Open Space Commission executive director) Bernie Kozen was there tending to the man and he (the shooter) didn't see them," Reber said. "Bernie bearhugged him and took him down. He shot (the shooter) with his own gun."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/06/2-killed-3-injured-in-shooting-a t -pennsylvania-municipal-building/#ixzz2bBrql6I4


See... gay marriages leads to bears hugging each other in public and shooting each other in the face...
 
2013-08-06 09:18:34 AM
I mean that was the best way to handle such things, right?

If I've learned anything from reading Fark, it's that white men with legally owned guns are never in the wrong when they use them in relation to their property.
 
2013-08-06 09:18:46 AM
Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does. My Mom's house where I was raised, along with 4 neighbors houses are months away from being unsellable and devalued (yet their taxes will not go down) thanks to the town council members wisdom.
Those 5 houses are on a short hilly street. In the back yards is a fence running perpendicular to the street; on the other side a large property which was a car dealership some 60 years. This is on highway frontage. A convenience store / gas pumping franchise proposed a mega site on the car dealership property larger than any other on that highway in any town. They wish to operate 24 hours a day.
They propose to replace the current 6' wood fence with a massive brick wall. Because of the current laws in NJ the adjacent 5 homes on the hilly street can no longer be sold. The current owners will have to do whatever they have to do, tough luck too bad, just keep paying your taxes on homes that will no longer be worth what they are this very minute, and they will be stuck with them.
The town council was swayed heavily by the convenience store franchise making promises to donate big bucks to the local public schools football fields, because hey, that's what really matters.
Meanwhile my Mom and her neighbors have racked up incredible Lawyer debt trying to defend themselves. Mom is 82, in poor health, in a wheelchair and requires around the clock attendance and help.
Our family lived there over 50 years. It's just a matter of short time before there will be non-stop customer noise, smells of gas deliveries and a huge brick wall taking over an entire owner-locked block.
Personally, I think this is worth thinking about locking and loading for.
 
2013-08-06 09:18:47 AM

StrangeQ: The people on that council were no different than a schoolyard bully who poke and prods at a kid until he flies off the handle or breaks down and cries.  I'm sure it was very easy for them to declare that he should clean up his property when they were going home to their $200k perfectly manicured mcmansions every night and didn't have a damn thing to worry about.  They knew what they were doing and they probably enjoyed every moment of it right up until their easy target stuck a gun in their faces.

If they had minded their own farking business and let the man just live out his life none of this would have happened.  Instead, they chose to declare themselves the pretentious shiathead judges of how one should live their live and now they paid the consequences.  Bet they wish they would have just left him alone.

Fark em.


Amen brother.
 
2013-08-06 09:18:52 AM

Spade: gilgigamesh: HotWingConspiracy: According to previous reports, Newell got a building permit from the township to have a storage structure on the property, but then built a dwelling without first getting a zoning permit or certificate of occupancy from the township.

Over the years, authorities have responded to Newell's property as a result of neighbor complaints and on one occasion in 2009 found human fecal matter in buckets there, according to previous reports in the Pocono Record.

The township determined he was improperly disposing of sewage with no septic system or permit for one.

Yeah they totally deserved to die for crossing this asshole.

And it went on for SEVENTEEN YEARS. I love that half or more of the people in this thread are actually defending this crazy fark out of sheer knee jerk reaction.


This article has more context:
http://m.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130610/NEWS/3 06 100327&template=wapart

Note the part where the township "modifies" paperwork after the guy has signed it. And where the state employee gives him false information that gets him into more trouble.

Basically, an old nearly homeless guy buys a piece of property to live in. NY bedroomers, mentioned before, don't like the dirty poor guy making their new McMansions look bad, so they have the township go after him. They finally got him. He didn't have shiat in buckets, he had a compost toilet because he couldn't afford basic services (god forbid they provide them to a guy with almost no income).

So they acted like little Eichmanns and now the chickens have come home to roost.

The guy wasn't hurting anybody. I guess he would've been better off in some homeless shelter with no property or belongings to his name right? Then at least the city folk wouldn't have had to look at him.

Lesson: Don't be different or they will get you one way or another.


Well that's a lot different story than what else was going on in the thread.
 
2013-08-06 09:19:01 AM
Looks like he will have government approved housing now.

Way to take one for the Gipper.
 
2013-08-06 09:19:51 AM

Spade: gilgigamesh: HotWingConspiracy: According to previous reports, Newell got a building permit from the township to have a storage structure on the property, but then built a dwelling without first getting a zoning permit or certificate of occupancy from the township.

Over the years, authorities have responded to Newell's property as a result of neighbor complaints and on one occasion in 2009 found human fecal matter in buckets there, according to previous reports in the Pocono Record.

The township determined he was improperly disposing of sewage with no septic system or permit for one.

Yeah they totally deserved to die for crossing this asshole.

And it went on for SEVENTEEN YEARS. I love that half or more of the people in this thread are actually defending this crazy fark out of sheer knee jerk reaction.


This article has more context:
http://m.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130610/NEWS/3 06 100327&template=wapart

Note the part where the township "modifies" paperwork after the guy has signed it. And where the state employee gives him false information that gets him into more trouble.

Basically, an old nearly homeless guy buys a piece of property to live in. NY bedroomers, mentioned before, don't like the dirty poor guy making their new McMansions look bad, so they have the township go after him. They finally got him. He didn't have shiat in buckets, he had a compost toilet because he couldn't afford basic services (god forbid they provide them to a guy with almost no income).

So they acted like little Eichmanns and now the chickens have come home to roost.

The guy wasn't hurting anybody. I guess he would've been better off in some homeless shelter with no property or belongings to his name right? Then at least the city folk wouldn't have had to look at him.

Lesson: Don't be different or they will get you one way or another.



The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.
 
2013-08-06 09:19:57 AM
durbnpoisn:

No, actually, they weren't wrong.  I DNRTA, but I watched the news this morning.  Did you see what that guy's property looked like.  The council in question was WELL within their jurisdiction to have that property condemned.  If he could take the time to go and shoot a bunch of people up, he could have taken the time to clean his damn property - maybe even have a septic system installed.

This is America. No, I'm being serious here. We have to let people be free to do with their property what they want. If somebody wants to camp out on their own land or live in an RV or a tent with no running water and use a latrine, who are we to insist that they conform to our idea of a proper way of life? Septic systems can cost thousands of dollars, but that's not the only way to accomplish the same thing.

If somebody has a plot of land outside of town with a well and a septic system, should the city be able to grow and come to that person's property and then insist that they hook into the municipal water and sewer system at a cost of thousands of dollars, whether they want it or not?

There is a strong vein of "criminalizing poverty" that I see in these sorts of government actions. "We don't like "different", everybody has to be the same." Look at the problems that urban farmers fun into, or even non-urban farmers when the county board of supervisors gets a bunch of HOA-type drones elected to it.

The proper analysis should have been "Is this really a problem, or does it just offend our delicate sensibilities that somebody lives like this? Do we actually want to do the humane thing and try to find a way to help resolve the problem, if one really exists? Or do we want to make the icky thing that makes us uncomfortable go away, cloaking our actions in terms of "safety" or "due process?"
 
2013-08-06 09:20:05 AM
In my own experience, this would be a much better country if everyone was allowed to shoot one zoning board member every year.
 
2013-08-06 09:20:10 AM

Spade: gilgigamesh: HotWingConspiracy: According to previous reports, Newell got a building permit from the township to have a storage structure on the property, but then built a dwelling without first getting a zoning permit or certificate of occupancy from the township.

Over the years, authorities have responded to Newell's property as a result of neighbor complaints and on one occasion in 2009 found human fecal matter in buckets there, according to previous reports in the Pocono Record.

The township determined he was improperly disposing of sewage with no septic system or permit for one.

Yeah they totally deserved to die for crossing this asshole.

And it went on for SEVENTEEN YEARS. I love that half or more of the people in this thread are actually defending this crazy fark out of sheer knee jerk reaction.


This article has more context:
http://m.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130610/NEWS/3 06 100327&template=wapart

Note the part where the township "modifies" paperwork after the guy has signed it. And where the state employee gives him false information that gets him into more trouble.

Basically, an old nearly homeless guy buys a piece of property to live in. NY bedroomers, mentioned before, don't like the dirty poor guy making their new McMansions look bad, so they have the township go after him. They finally got him. He didn't have shiat in buckets, he had a compost toilet because he couldn't afford basic services (god forbid they provide them to a guy with almost no income).

So they acted like little Eichmanns and now the chickens have come home to roost.

The guy wasn't hurting anybody. I guess he would've been better off in some homeless shelter with no property or belongings to his name right? Then at least the city folk wouldn't have had to look at him.

Lesson: Don't be different or they will get you one way or another.


The part that really pissed me off was the drainage culvert.  His property was flooding so he wanted to do something about it.  He applied for federal aid, received it and hired a contractor to install the culvert and required right of way for emergency vehicles.  Then the council decides that it is an environmental threat to the stream.  Really?  A farking four foot section of pipe is going to absolutely destroy the local ecosystem?

Everything about this story is contrived bullshiat by that council to dig up every single permit and zoning violation they could find to fuel their vendetta against that man.  Of course, I'm sure they also made sure that he had easy access to all the information and means he needed to apply for those permits, right?  I mean, it's not like they would hide the required paperwork behind arbitrary fees and penalties or lock everything up in subbasement 2C in a file cabinet stuffed in a corner guarded by a rabit bobcat, because that would just be petty.  I'm sure the process was almost painfully easy, so long as you were a respected, well connected member of the community that nobody has a personal grudge against.

Those farking people are another perfect example of the busibody, can't mind your own farking business mentality and honestly they got exactly what was coming to them.
 
2013-08-06 09:20:27 AM

StrangeQ: The people on that council were no different than a schoolyard bully who poke and prods at a kid until he flies off the handle or breaks down and cries.  I'm sure it was very easy for them to declare that he should clean up his property when they were going home to their $200k perfectly manicured mcmansions every night and didn't have a damn thing to worry about.  They knew what they were doing and they probably enjoyed every moment of it right up until their easy target stuck a gun in their faces.

If they had minded their own farking business and let the man just live out his life none of this would have happened.  Instead, they chose to declare themselves the pretentious shiathead judges of how one should live their live and now they paid the consequences.  Bet they wish they would have just left him alone.

Fark em.


I hope one day someone you know is murdered by someone like this.
 
2013-08-06 09:21:22 AM

KrispyKritter: Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does.


You wish you had the balls to kill innocent people, eh?

StrangeQ: honestly they got exactly what was coming to them.


Has everyone lost their farking minds or what
 
2013-08-06 09:21:24 AM

Doom MD: So my concealed carry is about to drop. Should I spring for an Springfield Xdm or get a 1911? I'm in NY, so I'm limited to 10 round mags (so I need big bullets that pack a lot of wallop).


1911A1, no question.
 
2013-08-06 09:21:52 AM

KrispyKritter: Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does. My Mom's house where I was raised, along with 4 neighbors houses are months away from being unsellable and devalued (yet their taxes will not go down) thanks to the town council members wisdom.
Those 5 houses are on a short hilly street. In the back yards is a fence running perpendicular to the street; on the other side a large property which was a car dealership some 60 years. This is on highway frontage. A convenience store / gas pumping franchise proposed a mega site on the car dealership property larger than any other on that highway in any town. They wish to operate 24 hours a day.
They propose to replace the current 6' wood fence with a massive brick wall. Because of the current laws in NJ the adjacent 5 homes on the hilly street can no longer be sold. The current owners will have to do whatever they have to do, tough luck too bad, just keep paying your taxes on homes that will no longer be worth what they are this very minute, and they will be stuck with them.
The town council was swayed heavily by the convenience store franchise making promises to donate big bucks to the local public schools football fields, because hey, that's what really matters.
Meanwhile my Mom and her neighbors have racked up incredible Lawyer debt trying to defend themselves. Mom is 82, in poor health, in a wheelchair and requires around the clock attendance and help.
Our family lived there over 50 years. It's just a matter of short time before there will be non-stop customer noise, smells of gas deliveries and a huge brick wall taking over an entire owner-locked block.
Personally, I think this is worth thinking about locking and loading for.


So you are openly admitting on the internet that you want to go down to your city council and shoot them all dead? Ummmm.... I don't think you have thought this plan all the way through...
 
2013-08-06 09:22:18 AM

durbnpoisn: Spade: gilgigamesh: HotWingConspiracy: According to previous reports, Newell got a building permit from the township to have a storage structure on the property, but then built a dwelling without first getting a zoning permit or certificate of occupancy from the township.

Over the years, authorities have responded to Newell's property as a result of neighbor complaints and on one occasion in 2009 found human fecal matter in buckets there, according to previous reports in the Pocono Record.

The township determined he was improperly disposing of sewage with no septic system or permit for one.

Yeah they totally deserved to die for crossing this asshole.

And it went on for SEVENTEEN YEARS. I love that half or more of the people in this thread are actually defending this crazy fark out of sheer knee jerk reaction.


This article has more context:
http://m.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130610/NEWS/3 06 100327&template=wapart

Note the part where the township "modifies" paperwork after the guy has signed it. And where the state employee gives him false information that gets him into more trouble.

Basically, an old nearly homeless guy buys a piece of property to live in. NY bedroomers, mentioned before, don't like the dirty poor guy making their new McMansions look bad, so they have the township go after him. They finally got him. He didn't have shiat in buckets, he had a compost toilet because he couldn't afford basic services (god forbid they provide them to a guy with almost no income).

So they acted like little Eichmanns and now the chickens have come home to roost.

The guy wasn't hurting anybody. I guess he would've been better off in some homeless shelter with no property or belongings to his name right? Then at least the city folk wouldn't have had to look at him.

Lesson: Don't be different or they will get you one way or another.


The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.


The guns and ammunition could have been decades old. Neither is known for going bad quickly you know.
 
2013-08-06 09:23:20 AM

Deep Contact: Council can sit behind bullet proof glass and let pissed off citizens shoot at them all day to let off steam.


LOLed at work.

My first raised eyebrow from my new boss.

Thanks!
 
2013-08-06 09:24:41 AM

LasersHurt: KrispyKritter: Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does.

You wish you had the balls to kill innocent people, eh?

StrangeQ: honestly they got exactly what was coming to them.

Has everyone lost their farking minds or what


It's this whole right wing extreme thing going on. The last 30 years (especially the last 8) they have constantly barraged people about the rights and 2nd amendment solutions. This is the result.
 
2013-08-06 09:24:48 AM
Newsflash:  Brain damaged and grossly mentally ill sociopath goes postal, Kills three......more at four!
 
2013-08-06 09:25:53 AM

durbnpoisn: Spade: gilgigamesh: HotWingConspiracy: According to previous reports, Newell got a building permit from the township to have a storage structure on the property, but then built a dwelling without first getting a zoning permit or certificate of occupancy from the township.

Over the years, authorities have responded to Newell's property as a result of neighbor complaints and on one occasion in 2009 found human fecal matter in buckets there, according to previous reports in the Pocono Record.

The township determined he was improperly disposing of sewage with no septic system or permit for one.

Yeah they totally deserved to die for crossing this asshole.

And it went on for SEVENTEEN YEARS. I love that half or more of the people in this thread are actually defending this crazy fark out of sheer knee jerk reaction.


This article has more context:
http://m.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130610/NEWS/3 06 100327&template=wapart

Note the part where the township "modifies" paperwork after the guy has signed it. And where the state employee gives him false information that gets him into more trouble.

Basically, an old nearly homeless guy buys a piece of property to live in. NY bedroomers, mentioned before, don't like the dirty poor guy making their new McMansions look bad, so they have the township go after him. They finally got him. He didn't have shiat in buckets, he had a compost toilet because he couldn't afford basic services (god forbid they provide them to a guy with almost no income).

So they acted like little Eichmanns and now the chickens have come home to roost.

The guy wasn't hurting anybody. I guess he would've been better off in some homeless shelter with no property or belongings to his name right? Then at least the city folk wouldn't have had to look at him.

Lesson: Don't be different or they will get you one way or another.


The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.


A gun and ammo costs a few hundred bucks.

Go and try to get a permit for something your city doesn't want you to do on your property. Let me know how much the permits/lawyers/etc. cost you.

One of the way government farks the little guy is by making the process so expensive that only the wealthy can afford it. Oh, you want that culvert and we don't even want you here? Well, you need local permits, a permit from DEP, and permit from Fish and Boat, an engineering study, an ecological impact study, a water study from the Army Corps of Engineers, and a fully laid out plan.
Oh, you can't afford that? Sucks to be you.
 
2013-08-06 09:27:08 AM

WTF Indeed: StrangeQ: The people on that council were no different than a schoolyard bully who poke and prods at a kid until he flies off the handle or breaks down and cries.  I'm sure it was very easy for them to declare that he should clean up his property when they were going home to their $200k perfectly manicured mcmansions every night and didn't have a damn thing to worry about.  They knew what they were doing and they probably enjoyed every moment of it right up until their easy target stuck a gun in their faces.

If they had minded their own farking business and let the man just live out his life none of this would have happened.  Instead, they chose to declare themselves the pretentious shiathead judges of how one should live their live and now they paid the consequences.  Bet they wish they would have just left him alone.

Fark em.

I hope one day someone you know is murdered by someone like this.


I hope if one day I know someone acting that way I will have the good sense to slap them in their face and tell them to quit being an asshole before they get their stupid ass shot.
 
2013-08-06 09:29:00 AM
Spade: One of the way government farks the little guy is by making the process so expensive that only the wealthy can afford it. Oh, you want that culvert and we don't even want you here? Well, you need local permits, a permit from DEP, and permit from Fish and Boat, an engineering study, an ecological impact study, a water study from the Army Corps of Engineers, and a fully laid out plan.
Oh, you can't afford that? Sucks to be you.


Yep.  If you're not rich and well connected you have no rights.  Welcome to America.
 
2013-08-06 09:29:09 AM
LasersHurt

Pocket Ninja: I wonder how long it will be before somebody points out that if everybody in the town meeting had been armed, this wouldn't have happened.

Sure, they could have returned fire through the wall. That would have worked out, I'm sure.

You two of the fark brain trust can of course show us examples of your claims? No? Only examples of cops doing that? What a shame err sham.

Tell us, how did forcing law abiding citizens to disarm work out? Oh, right. Three innocents dead and the criminal surviving.

fact sheet
* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.5
* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).6 And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."7
* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year.

Don't let facts get in the way of your derp.
 
2013-08-06 09:29:46 AM

Into the blue again: LasersHurt: KrispyKritter: Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does.

You wish you had the balls to kill innocent people, eh?

StrangeQ: honestly they got exactly what was coming to them.

Has everyone lost their farking minds or what

It's this whole right wing extreme thing going on. The last 30 years (especially the last 8) they have constantly barraged people about the rights and 2nd amendment solutions. This is the result.


No, you see, you're only allowed to have this kind of response if you're a foreigner who's been oppressed by US government policies for decades, especially if you have a different culture from the mainstream US.

If you're actually a US citizen being oppressed for decades, then you should bend over and take it.

If the US had been trying to take this guy's land in Yemen to build a base, and he'd gone all carbomby, then the same people here saying this guy would evil would be talking about how the US shouldn't have messed with him.
 
2013-08-06 09:30:30 AM

Spade: gilgigamesh: HotWingConspiracy: According to previous reports, Newell got a building permit from the township to have a storage structure on the property, but then built a dwelling without first getting a zoning permit or certificate of occupancy from the township.

Over the years, authorities have responded to Newell's property as a result of neighbor complaints and on one occasion in 2009 found human fecal matter in buckets there, according to previous reports in the Pocono Record.

The township determined he was improperly disposing of sewage with no septic system or permit for one.

Yeah they totally deserved to die for crossing this asshole.

And it went on for SEVENTEEN YEARS. I love that half or more of the people in this thread are actually defending this crazy fark out of sheer knee jerk reaction.


This article has more context:
http://m.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130610/NEWS/3 06 100327&template=wapart

Note the part where the township "modifies" paperwork after the guy has signed it. And where the state employee gives him false information that gets him into more trouble.

Basically, an old nearly homeless guy buys a piece of property to live in. NY bedroomers, mentioned before, don't like the dirty poor guy making their new McMansions look bad, so they have the township go after him. They finally got him. He didn't have shiat in buckets, he had a compost toilet because he couldn't afford basic services (god forbid they provide them to a guy with almost no income).

So they acted like little Eichmanns and now the chickens have come home to roost.

The guy wasn't hurting anybody. I guess he would've been better off in some homeless shelter with no property or belongings to his name right? Then at least the city folk wouldn't have had to look at him.

Lesson: Don't be different or they will get you one way or another.


Well, aside from the fact that you're almost completely wrong, this is a good post.  Where the guy lives, there are no McMansions.

And you aren't allowed to ignore the laws you don't like. You can't build a huge Castle in a residential neighborhood and you can't put up a Wal Mart in your back yard and you can't live in squalor in an area that doesn't allow it.
 
2013-08-06 09:30:45 AM

OnlyM3: LasersHurt

Pocket Ninja: I wonder how long it will be before somebody points out that if everybody in the town meeting had been armed, this wouldn't have happened.

Sure, they could have returned fire through the wall. That would have worked out, I'm sure.

You two of the fark brain trust can of course show us examples of your claims? No? Only examples of cops doing that?


This man fired through a wall. We suggested, in obvious jest, that carriers might return fire through the wall. This was written in plain text, and was clearly meant lightly. I have no idea why you thought this meant complaining about "disarmament."

OnlyM3: Don't let facts get in the way of your derp.


You either, my fine fool.
 
2013-08-06 09:30:52 AM

OnlyM3: LasersHurt

Pocket Ninja: I wonder how long it will be before somebody points out that if everybody in the town meeting had been armed, this wouldn't have happened.

Sure, they could have returned fire through the wall. That would have worked out, I'm sure.
You two of the fark brain trust can of course show us examples of your claims? No? Only examples of cops doing that? What a shame err sham.

Tell us, how did forcing law abiding citizens to disarm work out? Oh, right. Three innocents dead and the criminal surviving.

fact sheet
* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.5
* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).6 And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."7
* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year.
Don't let facts get in the way of your derp.


Thats.....it's......beautiful!!
 
2013-08-06 09:31:21 AM

OnlyM3: So in a town hall meetting, that always has cops on site

The two people who stopped this violence were two average Joes.

Someone book mark this thread to rub in the face of the bootlickers who tell those of us that criticize cops "Fark you next time you call 9-1-1."

Cops fill out reports for your insurance company (be it life or property). Other than that they are useless criminals.


Sometimes they even refuse to do that much.
 
2013-08-06 09:31:27 AM

Spade: gilgigamesh: HotWingConspiracy: According to previous reports, Newell got a building permit from the township to have a storage structure on the property, but then built a dwelling without first getting a zoning permit or certificate of occupancy from the township.

Over the years, authorities have responded to Newell's property as a result of neighbor complaints and on one occasion in 2009 found human fecal matter in buckets there, according to previous reports in the Pocono Record.

The township determined he was improperly disposing of sewage with no septic system or permit for one.

Yeah they totally deserved to die for crossing this asshole.

And it went on for SEVENTEEN YEARS. I love that half or more of the people in this thread are actually defending this crazy fark out of sheer knee jerk reaction.


This article has more context:
http://m.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130610/NEWS/3 06 100327&template=wapart

Note the part where the township "modifies" paperwork after the guy has signed it. And where the state employee gives him false information that gets him into more trouble.

Basically, an old nearly homeless guy buys a piece of property to live in. NY bedroomers, mentioned before, don't like the dirty poor guy making their new McMansions look bad, so they have the township go after him. They finally got him. He didn't have shiat in buckets, he had a compost toilet because he couldn't afford basic services (god forbid they provide them to a guy with almost no income).

So they acted like little Eichmanns and now the chickens have come home to roost.

The guy wasn't hurting anybody. I guess he would've been better off in some homeless shelter with no property or belongings to his name right? Then at least the city folk wouldn't have had to look at him.

Lesson: Don't be different or they will get you one way or another.


Should have sold his guns. You farking freak.
 
2013-08-06 09:32:10 AM

durbnpoisn: Spade: gilgigamesh: HotWingConspiracy: According to previous reports, Newell got a building permit from the township to have a storage structure on the property, but then built a dwelling without first getting a zoning permit or certificate of occupancy from the township.

Over the years, authorities have responded to Newell's property as a result of neighbor complaints and on one occasion in 2009 found human fecal matter in buckets there, according to previous reports in the Pocono Record.

The township determined he was improperly disposing of sewage with no septic system or permit for one.

Yeah they totally deserved to die for crossing this asshole.

And it went on for SEVENTEEN YEARS. I love that half or more of the people in this thread are actually defending this crazy fark out of sheer knee jerk reaction.


This article has more context:
http://m.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130610/NEWS/3 06 100327&template=wapart

Note the part where the township "modifies" paperwork after the guy has signed it. And where the state employee gives him false information that gets him into more trouble.

Basically, an old nearly homeless guy buys a piece of property to live in. NY bedroomers, mentioned before, don't like the dirty poor guy making their new McMansions look bad, so they have the township go after him. They finally got him. He didn't have shiat in buckets, he had a compost toilet because he couldn't afford basic services (god forbid they provide them to a guy with almost no income).

So they acted like little Eichmanns and now the chickens have come home to roost.

The guy wasn't hurting anybody. I guess he would've been better off in some homeless shelter with no property or belongings to his name right? Then at least the city folk wouldn't have had to look at him.

Lesson: Don't be different or they will get you one way or another.


The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that he had no problem affording the weapons and ammunition.


Or computing equipment...he has a Facebook page and mentions it.

Rockne Newell:

https://www.facebook.com/rockne1865?fref=ts
 
2013-08-06 09:32:11 AM

escherblacksmith: oh the violent songs we knew pre-present day issues
\ "Hi-ho, hi-ho, it's off to school we go, with razor blades and hand grenades . . ."


Mine eyes have seen the glory
of the burning of the school
we have tortured every teacher
we have broken every rule
We're gonna hang the principal
tomorrow after school
Third Grade is marching on!


Glory glory hallelujah
My teacher hit me with a ruler
I met her at the door
With a loaded 44
And she ain't my teacher no more

Kids.
 
2013-08-06 09:32:34 AM

LasersHurt: Pocket Ninja: I wonder how long it will be before somebody points out that if everybody in the town meeting had been armed, this wouldn't have happened.

Sure, they could have returned fire through the wall. That would have worked out, I'm sure.


The thing that everyone is missing here is that due to various Democratic-enforced building codes and safety regulations, the town hall was not built with walls strong enough to stop bullets based on the current regulations. If the job-killing building codes were removed, the free market would've driven the cost down to the point where the town would've selectively chosen to install bullet-stopping concrete walls when building the town hall.

So, thanks Obama, for another set of countless gun deaths on your watch. Romney would've put an end to this madness.
 
2013-08-06 09:32:38 AM
I got no beef with a guy who fights city hall, but this guy ignored all rules , permits, and just pretty much did whatever he wanted to do, and fark the consequences. Then after all the time ran out for him to actually DO something to improve his land, get permits, he went on a rampage and killed innocent people just doing their jobs. This is a clear case of "im an asshole, and will do whatever i want. You don't like it? I KILL YOU". fark him, this jackass has no place in polite society, and needs to be put down. Too bad the guy who grabbed his gun didn't shoot him in the head and save the taxpayer the cost of trial and incarceration.
 
2013-08-06 09:33:56 AM

LasersHurt: KrispyKritter: Wish i had the balls the Link land owner does.

You wish you had the balls to kill innocent people, eh?

StrangeQ: honestly they got exactly what was coming to them.

Has everyone lost their farking minds or what


Of course they have, they're on a steady diet of right wing gun nut culture. All of them are just itching for a fight like this. They'll see it as righteous justice when they shoot down unarmed people because of some perceived slight from the gummermint.
 
2013-08-06 09:34:07 AM
http://www.fark.com/comments/7876274/85768273#c8 5768273">CarnySaur: "This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land is my land
This land was made for only me."

- Woody Guthrie



Actually, this is what the Right thinks of that song:
This land is my land, it is not your land
I got a shotgun, and you ain't got none
If you don't get off, I'll call the sheriff
This land is private property

http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/article.php? article=40525
 
2013-08-06 09:34:11 AM
You can't fight city hall
 
2013-08-06 09:34:43 AM
*FBI to thread #85768649, please*
 
2013-08-06 09:35:34 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: I got no beef with a guy who fights city hall, but this guy ignored all rules , permits, and just pretty much did whatever he wanted to do, and fark the consequences. Then after all the time ran out for him to actually DO something to improve his land, get permits, he went on a rampage and killed innocent people just doing their jobs. This is a clear case of "im an asshole, and will do whatever i want. You don't like it? I KILL YOU". fark him, this jackass has no place in polite society, and needs to be put down. Too bad the guy who grabbed his gun didn't shoot him in the head and save the taxpayer the cost of trial and incarceration.


http://m.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130610/NEWS/30 6 100327&template=wapart">http://m.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic le?AID=/20130610/NEWS/306 100327&template=wapart
 
2013-08-06 09:36:49 AM
Heh...one of his Facebook posts from last March:

"We can change the way we interact with each other! & this will do more to reduce violence then gun control i.e. the overwhelming % of rape is strong arm, the Sam is true of other crime! Gun Control is not crime control! Gun control will not reduce violent crime! Muder even mass muder existed long before guns! "
 
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