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(Talking Points Memo)   CNN to RNC: If you pull presidential primaries because of a documentary we may do on Hillary, you'd do the ultimate disservice to voters everywhere, much like our reporting   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 37
    More: Followup, RNC, CNN, limit debate, presidential primary, voters, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, documentary, NBC News  
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2013-08-06 07:38:58 AM  
I'm trying really hard to care about this and failing.
 
2013-08-06 08:04:40 AM  
Why the fark do they care so much about a documentary that nobody has seen yet and hasn't even been made?
 
2013-08-06 08:05:16 AM  
pfft are you kidding me? limit debates? hell they had one every week for 6 months last election. every time you turned around these attention whores were trying to outderp the other.
 
2013-08-06 08:05:31 AM  
Petty assholes being petty assholes isn't exactly news, but it could at least make for an entertaining headline. Not here, apparently.
 
2013-08-06 08:06:38 AM  
So the GOP is looking for an excuse to have less debates that will make whichever mouth breather they inevitably select look like a moron. I'm not the least bit surprised by this. I'm sure they'd be happy if they could conduct the entire campaign by bumper sticker and thirty second scare ads. And perhaps a few pre scripted softball interviews on Fox.
 
2013-08-06 08:08:06 AM  
I, on the other hand, truly care about this.  Those primary debates are hilarious!  If the RNC finds new sponsors for the debates in question, then I'm fine, but I'll lose out on a lot of fun and quotables if they're cancelled entirely.
 
2013-08-06 08:08:11 AM  

Wooly Bully: Petty assholes being petty assholes isn't exactly news, but it could at least make for an entertaining headline. Not here, apparently.


I guess you could just write the headline then and finally get a green
 
2013-08-06 08:08:21 AM  
So, let me get this straight, CNN wants to produce a Hillary pr0n0 before the next Prez election and the RNC has a problem?
 
2013-08-06 08:09:54 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Why the fark do they care so much about a documentary that nobody has seen yet and hasn't even been made?


they're afraid it may take a tone they don't like.
they're more in favor of the ones that Fox news did

like Obama and Friends: A history of Radicalism
or President Obama: In His Own Words

or the film they promoted Obama:2016
www.nypost.com
 
2013-08-06 08:10:58 AM  
I read summary of this documentary. It's going to be a totally biased piece of trash. They're leaving out the parts where she had Vince Foster murdered, as well as the blood pact she made with Satan. I applaud the RNC for standing up against this shameful plug of a candidate by a supposedly unbiased news source.
 
2013-08-06 08:11:09 AM  

somedude210: Wooly Bully: Petty assholes being petty assholes isn't exactly news, but it could at least make for an entertaining headline. Not here, apparently.

I guess you could just write the headline then and finally get a green


Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Because somehow, magically, the decisions on what to green would miraculously improve if only I was to do that!
 
2013-08-06 08:11:16 AM  
I think headline is inaccurate. It appears RNC is simply going to take their debated somewhere ELSE than CNN. They will still have the debates, but on another channel.
 
2013-08-06 08:15:06 AM  
the committee will neither partner with you in 2016 primary debates nor sanction primary debates which you sponsor," Preibus wrote.

Sanction?  What would they declare that a debate which occurred on those channels wouldn't count?  That they'd be some kind of not-for-the-record preseason scrimmage?  Or would they simply fine any candidate who participates?

"Because you spoke at a non-RNC event, we're going to fine you 3 states and impose a two debate ban for using a fact-enhancing network."
 
2013-08-06 08:16:01 AM  

MindStalker: I think headline is inaccurate. It appears RNC is simply going to take their debated somewhere ELSE than CNN. They will still have the debates, but on another channel.


it would be funny if the networks decided that hey we aren't going to be extorted and bullied. you need us. we don't need you and declined to air their derp-a-palooza
 
2013-08-06 08:17:00 AM  

Aristocles: So, let me get this straight, CNN wants to produce a Hillary pr0n0 before the next Prez election and the RNC has a problem?


You think they'd be elated to have someone rehash Whitewater, Vince Foster, Monica's blue dress, Hilarycare,and Benghazi.
 
2013-08-06 08:17:41 AM  
I was talking to a conservative friend of mine and his idea was that CNN has no viewers, so who cares.  that, and the GOP needs to go further right to have a shot in 2016.  Romney was too moderate.
 
2013-08-06 08:23:49 AM  

Wooly Bully: Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Because somehow, magically, the decisions on what to green would miraculously improve if only I was to do that!


I think you miss my point. You mock the headline for not being entertaining, so the assumption would be that you could do a better job and maybe that would finally get you that first greenlight

something about people in glass houses
 
2013-08-06 08:23:55 AM  

ManateeGag: I was talking to a conservative friend of mine and his idea was that CNN has no viewers, so who cares.  that, and the GOP needs to go further right to have a shot in 2016.  Romney was too moderate.


I know a couple people like that too. No matter how simple you spell out their logic to them, they just don't get it. They are soo fun to troll.
 
2013-08-06 08:28:04 AM  

somedude210: I think you miss my point


Then we're even.
 
2013-08-06 08:28:16 AM  

Karac: Aristocles: So, let me get this straight, CNN wants to produce a Hillary pr0n0 before the next Prez election and the RNC has a problem?

You think they'd be elated to have someone rehash Whitewater, Vince Foster, Monica's blue dress, Hilarycare,and Benghazi.


Karac: Aristocles: So, let me get this straight, CNN wants to produce a Hillary pr0n0 before the next Prez election and the RNC has a problem?

You think they'd be elated to have someone rehash Whitewater, Vince Foster, Monica's blue dress, Hilarycare,and Benghazi.


They're going to start the documentary just after blowjob-gate, so no Whitewater, Foster, blue dress, and no Hillarycare.
 
2013-08-06 08:33:56 AM  

Wooly Bully: somedude210: I think you miss my point

Then we're even.


Fair enough, next round's on me
 
2013-08-06 08:42:05 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Doctor Funkenstein: Why the fark do they care so much about a documentary that nobody has seen yet and hasn't even been made?

they're afraid it may take a tone they don't like.
they're more in favor of the ones that Fox news did

like Obama and Friends: A history of Radicalism
or President Obama: In His Own Words

or the film they promoted Obama:2016
[www.nypost.com image 300x449]


Yeah, so why are Republicans afraid of a piece by other networks on the Hilary?  Are they afraid that it will be as "fair and balance" as what Fox news did?
 
2013-08-06 09:01:38 AM  
CNN should get back at them by hosting third party debates. As a service to the voters, of course.
 
2013-08-06 10:09:52 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Why the fark do they care so much about a documentary that nobody has seen yet and hasn't even been made?


Working the refs is a time honored GOP tradition.
 
2013-08-06 10:15:51 AM  
Either I'm getting more mature and better at ignoring trolls, or the trolls are getting so stupid I can't be bothered to respond directly.

Either way, it's a good change.
 
2013-08-06 10:29:10 AM  

Fart_Machine: Doctor Funkenstein: Why the fark do they care so much about a documentary that nobody has seen yet and hasn't even been made?

Working the refs is a time honored GOP tradition.


Well, playing Devil's Advocate here: it's for the same reason Donald Trump couldn't continue doing The Apprentice if he decided to run for president.  It's extra advertising.  Oh, sure, it's not Hillary herself backing it or starring in it, but it's her story and thus her resume.

Not that I'm saying that rationale is correct.  As the GP said, nobody's seen it, it hasn't been made, and unless someone can dig up a script, it's hard to say what the documentary would be saying about her (sympathetic or villainous).  Everyone who was on Team Hillary would have been on Team Hillary no matter what a documentary had to say about her.

Personally, I think documentaries should be made after a reasonable amount of time has passed (like a few years or even decades in some cases), so I think it's a cynical move by the documentary makers to cash in on the current Hillary chatter.  But that's just me.
 
2013-08-06 11:35:53 AM  

Six_By_Nine: Fart_Machine: Doctor Funkenstein: Why the fark do they care so much about a documentary that nobody has seen yet and hasn't even been made?

Working the refs is a time honored GOP tradition.

Well, playing Devil's Advocate here: it's for the same reason Donald Trump couldn't continue doing The Apprentice if he decided to run for president.  It's extra advertising.  Oh, sure, it's not Hillary herself backing it or starring in it, but it's her story and thus her resume.

Not that I'm saying that rationale is correct.  As the GP said, nobody's seen it, it hasn't been made, and unless someone can dig up a script, it's hard to say what the documentary would be saying about her (sympathetic or villainous).  Everyone who was on Team Hillary would have been on Team Hillary no matter what a documentary had to say about her.

Personally, I think documentaries should be made after a reasonable amount of time has passed (like a few years or even decades in some cases), so I think it's a cynical move by the documentary makers to cash in on the current Hillary chatter.  But that's just me.


I'm viewing this as the Streisand effect.  What would be an unremarkable and barely watched documentary will now be watched by a lot of extra people due to the RNC's freakout.

On the other hand, I wonder if this is also part of the rights echo chamber effect.  They literally can't conceive that someone would do a movie on Hillary Clinton WITHOUT it being a massive political propaganda piece.  THEY wouldn't do that, so it's impossible that anyone else would.

They literally can't process the idea that someone isn't as a big of a partisan douche as they are.
 
2013-08-06 11:57:39 AM  

Six_By_Nine: Fart_Machine: Doctor Funkenstein: Why the fark do they care so much about a documentary that nobody has seen yet and hasn't even been made?

Working the refs is a time honored GOP tradition.

Well, playing Devil's Advocate here: it's for the same reason Donald Trump couldn't continue doing The Apprentice if he decided to run for president.  It's extra advertising.  Oh, sure, it's not Hillary herself backing it or starring in it, but it's her story and thus her resume.

Not that I'm saying that rationale is correct.  As the GP said, nobody's seen it, it hasn't been made, and unless someone can dig up a script, it's hard to say what the documentary would be saying about her (sympathetic or villainous).  Everyone who was on Team Hillary would have been on Team Hillary no matter what a documentary had to say about her.

Personally, I think documentaries should be made after a reasonable amount of time has passed (like a few years or even decades in some cases), so I think it's a cynical move by the documentary makers to cash in on the current Hillary chatter.  But that's just me.


Key word is "continued". A documentary for someone prior to even announcing their candidacy isn't in violation of any laws. Trump also planned on using Celebrity Apprentice to announce his candidacy (prior to being laughed off the podium for the Birther nutbaggery).
 
2013-08-06 12:30:23 PM  
The RNC treating Clinton like she already has the nomination...will probably help Clinton secure the nomination.
 
2013-08-06 12:32:52 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Six_By_Nine: Fart_Machine: Doctor Funkenstein: Why the fark do they care so much about a documentary that nobody has seen yet and hasn't even been made?

Working the refs is a time honored GOP tradition.

Well, playing Devil's Advocate here: it's for the same reason Donald Trump couldn't continue doing The Apprentice if he decided to run for president.  It's extra advertising.  Oh, sure, it's not Hillary herself backing it or starring in it, but it's her story and thus her resume.

Not that I'm saying that rationale is correct.  As the GP said, nobody's seen it, it hasn't been made, and unless someone can dig up a script, it's hard to say what the documentary would be saying about her (sympathetic or villainous).  Everyone who was on Team Hillary would have been on Team Hillary no matter what a documentary had to say about her.

Personally, I think documentaries should be made after a reasonable amount of time has passed (like a few years or even decades in some cases), so I think it's a cynical move by the documentary makers to cash in on the current Hillary chatter.  But that's just me.

I'm viewing this as the Streisand effect.  What would be an unremarkable and barely watched documentary will now be watched by a lot of extra people due to the RNC's freakout.

On the other hand, I wonder if this is also part of the rights echo chamber effect.  They literally can't conceive that someone would do a movie on Hillary Clinton WITHOUT it being a massive political propaganda piece.  THEY wouldn't do that, so it's impossible that anyone else would.

They literally can't process the idea that someone isn't as a big of a partisan douche as they are.


You seriously don't think this film will be partisan trash?
 
2013-08-06 12:38:23 PM  

epoch_destroi: You seriously don't think this film will be partisan trash?


You sincerely believe the horsesh*t that comes out of Rinsed Pubis?
 
2013-08-06 12:44:13 PM  

balthan: The RNC treating Clinton like she already has the nomination...will probably help Clinton secure the nomination.


Or they'll focus all their attention on her while another candidate slips through before they look up.  Like 2008.
 
2013-08-06 01:48:36 PM  
Well, at least the RNC is consistent, given the shiatstorm outburst that they had when someone at CNN made a documentary on Reagan that only had a FEW shots with him with a halo around his head a few years ago.
 
2013-08-06 01:55:37 PM  

epoch_destroi: You seriously don't think this film will be partisan trash?


I think it's going to be just plain trash, like any other documentary that you see that does straight to tv.  It's a drama, not a documentary or propaganda piece.

You realize that people can put out crap to make money without a political bent, right?  Because that's what this is; a crappy dramatization to make money.  The Republicans are making a serious tactical error crying about this.  When it comes out and people see it's just a crappy dramamentry and not a propaganda piece like the Republicans were claiming, they'll look like whiney whiners.

PLUS all they are doing is giving the film free publicity.
 
2013-08-06 03:12:49 PM  
RNC, please, please, please air you debates only on Fox News. Make sure that only the most extreme and the least informed of your base watch the debates. Sure, this result in a candidate that will turn off the bulk of the electorate, but you'd be doing a service to your country if you make sure your party won't take the White House.
 
2013-08-06 04:24:48 PM  
If they do go through with this, CNN should totally run some third party debates to fill the time. Not only would it be a hilarious slap in the face to the GOP, it might actually inform voters.
 
2013-08-06 07:28:49 PM  
January 14, 2016, 8:00 PM:

"The Republican Presidential Debate scheduled for tonight will not be seen on CNN because of...some thing we showed more than two years ago."

/and that announcement makes who look ridiculous? Hint: not CNN
 
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