If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Time)   "Your first grader is going to be a high school dropout," claims columnist with no realistic data to back up said claims   (ideas.time.com) divider line 14
    More: PSA, throw in, Gospel of Matthew, graders, Chingy  
•       •       •

4640 clicks; posted to Main » on 06 Aug 2013 at 7:43 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



Voting Results (Smartest)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

2013-08-06 08:03:20 AM  
2 votes:

CheatCommando: I see subby failed reading comprehension - the researcher quoted in the article does have data, and has evidently proved out the model.

This could be a damned useful intervention tool.


Apparently the mods are still drunk this morning.

The article makes a ton of sense. If you're still struggling with reading at the tipping point where learning in other subjects requires it, things will snowball, and targeted intervention can make a huge difference. A friend of mine was left back in grade 2 and struggled with learning all through school - because no one realized until she was a teenager that she had a serious hearing impairment. Someone figuring out what was actually going on would have changed her whole life. If you can identify the kids who in grade 1 are showing patterns associated with dropping out later, and develop appropriate interventions, fantastic. The intervention part is key though.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-06 08:03:04 AM  
2 votes:
double post double post...

and unless we stop treating kids like commodities and start treating them as human beings our education system is screwed.
2013-08-06 07:50:25 AM  
2 votes:
I see subby failed reading comprehension - the researcher quoted in the article does have data, and has evidently proved out the model.

This could be a damned useful intervention tool.
2013-08-06 12:41:07 PM  
1 votes:

mike_d85: People in the US seem so outraged by trade and arts schooling instead of traditional college prep education and I don't get it.

Why don't we play to kids' strenths instead of making them fail to get ready to go State University before they start their construction career?  Just because something involves manual labor doesn't mean someone is a failure, but they should be taught how to do it properly.  They should be taught structural basics, tool safety, the proper way to lift a heavy load, first aid, hazardous material markings, the list goes on and on.  You can fill an entire grade school education with it, so why don't we?  Arts schools gave us most of the great british rock bands such as Black Sabbath, the Who and the Rolling Stones.


My husband was told in HS that he would do best at a trade and should pursue vocational school.  Naturally, he was offended and went to college for finance anyway.  After a few years he hated the industry and now does management on the manual labor side of things.  He's great at allocating resources and people and customer service.  He was not great at sitting at a desk all day.
2013-08-06 09:50:18 AM  
1 votes:
There's actually a whole lot of research to back this up.  Educators have known for a while that the path to dropping out of high school starts before the student is even in school.  It was this research that led to the development of Head Start and universal preschool in states that have universal preschool because the earlier you can intervene in that students life, the better.

This is not a researcher with a fatalistic attitude, instead, he's taking well-researched and widely known information and actually applying it in order to benefit students.  As an educator, I approve of this.
2013-08-06 09:07:36 AM  
1 votes:
Of course a key element is parents who actually care to help their kids work on what they struggle with most.

mike_d85: People in the US seem so outraged by trade and arts schooling instead of traditional college prep education and I don't get it.

Why don't we play to kids' strenths instead of making them fail to get ready to go State University before they start their construction career?  Just because something involves manual labor doesn't mean someone is a failure, but they should be taught how to do it properly.  They should be taught structural basics, tool safety, the proper way to lift a heavy load, first aid, hazardous material markings, the list goes on and on.  You can fill an entire grade school education with it, so why don't we?  Arts schools gave us most of the great british rock bands such as Black Sabbath, the Who and the Rolling Stones.


Um, trade and art schools are usually part of or considered a college on their own.  If I want to take a wielding course, truck driving course or small engine repair course I have to have my HS diploma (which I do) in order to attend Baker University.  There are also colleges just for producing master mechanics.  My fil is attending one right now, hoping to get a third career as a motorcycle mechanic.  Which person would you hire to work in your shop, the guy who learned from watching his dad in the garage or the guy who shows you proof of a completed course taught by licensed professionals which are only taught to those who have some diploma of some sort?  A diploma and trade courses can mean the difference between the guy digging with a shovel and the guy digging with an excavator and earning 2 to 3 times more.  Trade courses don't take very long and are much cheaper than full degrees, but you still need to finish HS.
2013-08-06 08:33:52 AM  
1 votes:

mekkab: CheatCommando: I see subby failed reading comprehension - the researcher quoted in the article does have data, and has evidently proved out the model.

This could be a damned useful intervention tool.

It's probably just graph-fitting already compiled data, but it still could be. however educators are solely interested in having their little mouth-breathers behave and be quiet; learning is what happens in spite of what school bureaucrats dictate.


Did you read the article? Because the author of the study is one of those bureaucrats, and he seems  very interested in seeing that these kids get the proper intervention so that they can actually learn.

angrycrank: Apparently the mods are still drunk this morning.


Agreed.
2013-08-06 08:14:54 AM  
1 votes:
People in the US seem so outraged by trade and arts schooling instead of traditional college prep education and I don't get it.

Why don't we play to kids' strenths instead of making them fail to get ready to go State University before they start their construction career?  Just because something involves manual labor doesn't mean someone is a failure, but they should be taught how to do it properly.  They should be taught structural basics, tool safety, the proper way to lift a heavy load, first aid, hazardous material markings, the list goes on and on.  You can fill an entire grade school education with it, so why don't we?  Arts schools gave us most of the great british rock bands such as Black Sabbath, the Who and the Rolling Stones.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-08-06 08:01:59 AM  
1 votes:
He's basing it on a whole month of data!

SCIENCE!!

Seriously, I am not going to read that article.  Unless he's got data from 20-40 years that shows exact correlations he needs to shut up.
2013-08-06 07:54:54 AM  
1 votes:
The predictive factors themselves-behavior problems, frequent absences from school, reading skills that are below grade level-are jut bad parenting..
2013-08-06 07:53:08 AM  
1 votes:

CheatCommando: I see subby failed reading comprehension - the researcher quoted in the article does have data, and has evidently proved out the model.

This could be a damned useful intervention tool.


It's probably just graph-fitting already compiled data, but it still could be. however educators are solely interested in having their little mouth-breathers behave and be quiet; learning is what happens in spite of what school bureaucrats dictate.
2013-08-06 07:51:05 AM  
1 votes:
Well if you live in Detroit, the columnist has a 80% chance of being right.
2013-08-06 07:48:19 AM  
1 votes:
YOUR BABY IS DEAD!
2013-08-06 07:47:19 AM  
1 votes:
YOU LEARN TO SPELL "ROCK" OR YOU'LL NEVER GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL!!1
 
Displayed 14 of 14 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter





In Other Media


Report