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2013-08-06 11:09:27 AM
Carth:$1 a month would be very low for CBS Sports, Smithsonian, Showtime and CBS. But it seems about right for just CBS.

$1/month is just about right for CBS Sports Network, unless they switch from "all lacrosse and arena football all the time" to some real sports.
 
2013-08-06 11:12:52 AM
I don't fault TWC at ALL here.

They know that if they keep having to raise rates because providers keep upping their carriage fees, that more and more people will continue to cut the cord.

So CBS wants to double their carriage fees from $1 to $2.

ESPN already charges carriage fees of between $5-$6 per customer (yes, that's right. Whether you watch it or not you're paying a very high fee for it, and since it's in pretty much the bottom tier pretty much everyone pays for it.)

And to make matters worse, Network providers (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX) are currently considering STOPPING broadcasting and going "Cable Only" - because they KNOW people are cutting the cord due to their high fees and pulling their content for free OTA.   So Rabbit Ears or HD Antennas may not matter much in the near future.

A-la-Carte is going to happen at some point. It may be 5, even 10 years down the road for the majority of channels, but they really are going to have no choice. People are just not going to pay $100+/month just for basic channels (everything except HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, etc.)
 
2013-08-06 11:15:55 AM

mithras_angel: Girion47: That's funny, I have Time Warner Cable internet and I still am able to get all of the CBS shows I care to watch.

So, this is either:

1)  You don't care to watch any CBS shows, and are thus unaffected, or

2)  Your local CBS station isn't blacked out, or

3)  You just watch stuff on CBS.com.


2 is because Time Warner take CBS down everywhere.  Just many places.  Some CBS affiliates are owned by Time Warner, and those haven't gone black (or put on StarzKIDS, which can be worse).


Torrents+OTA.
 
2013-08-06 11:16:25 AM

lack of warmth: EWreckedSean: I missed Dexter not being on...

And it's the final season.

I also would miss Big Bang Theory, but I still get CBS/Showtime.

/so far Dex is still alive, but they tease killing him in every episode.
//That's it, going to watch Ray Donavon while I am thinking of it.


Oh well Project Free TV, it should be uploaded by now I guess.
 
2013-08-06 11:22:31 AM

Fireproof: Some lemme get this straight: CBS wants to double the price they receive for their content.

TWC says "Fark no, we'd have to raise rates."

CBS: "Fine, we'll just pull our content from you, then!"

Why would I feel the slightest bit sympathetic for CBS in this case?


Because when TWC increases your cable bill next month by $1, you'll be calling TWC and biatching at THEM and demanding to know why your bill went up.

And then when NBC does the same thing 2 months from now, and your cable bill goes up by another $1, you'll call TWC *again*.

And then again when ABC does it. And again when FOX does it. And then again when USA, WB, or whoever else does it.

TWC takes all the heat for the bill because people think that because they can get it for free over the air, that TWC MUST be just ripping them off hand-over-fist by charging $XX dollars a month for "Basic" cable.

It's the same shiat every couple of months. Not long ago it was DISH and AMC. Same story there. AMC wants more money, DISH has to take all the heat & blame for the channel going dark. Eventually they reach a compromise, AMC gets their money, and YOU pay for it.
 
2013-08-06 11:26:02 AM
mithras_angel:
3)  You just watch stuff on CBS.com.

Can't do that.   CBS blocked ALL of TWC's IPs to CBS.com. Even if you're not in a blacked out market, if you're on TWC you can't watch CBS.com.

But even if you don't HAVE cable (or Fios, or UVerse, or whatever), you can. It's free for everyone. Except TWC. Just another "Fark You" CBS is giving to TWC customers.
 
2013-08-06 11:28:01 AM

Girion47: Enormous-Schwanstucker: Lawnchair: Lawnchair: If they charge $4 a month, they have to sign up 1/10th of the current cable households.  Even that is a  massive challenge.  Virtually no other model is going to provide as much cash as getting 40 cents from every cable-sub household.

Also, I should point out that the people the  do get to pay them $4 a month aren't going to put up with 15 commercials per hour.  People, joy of psychology, put up with tons of commercials on their "free" (even though they're paying $60+/month) stations.

There goes another major revenue stream.

When a compelling program is on a particularly commercial laden channel (wait, thats all of them) I'll tune to that channel, hit pause and go do some mundane task around the house for 45 minutes or so. I come back to the TV and rocket through the commercials. Win/win but a pita nonetheless.

I just wait an hour or two and my torrent program automatically grabs them from my private tracker.  Already stripped of commercials.  Seeing as I work from home, I don't have to worry about spoilers from co-workers.


Nice. I debated going that route but with multiple TV's in the house it's a tad cumbersome to build a distribution system. One day perhaps I'll grow completely tired of sat/cable and develop a solution for this.
 
2013-08-06 11:29:20 AM

Carth: Has anyone on fark tried using https://aereo.com? $8 a month for all the broadcast channels on any device and free DVR seems like it might be a good sports alternative for people.


Don't count on Aereo for long.  If the courts don't back the providers, the content providers (ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS) are going to take their ball and go home - they're going to stop broadcasting OTA.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/04/08/holy-cow-two-of -t he-big-four-tv-networks-are-considering-going-off-the-air/
 
2013-08-06 11:30:07 AM

Lawnchair: Is local news a requirement?  Several world TV broadcasters in English out there on streaming and/or free-to-air satellite dish.  Al Jazeera English, Jewish News One, China Central TV, NHK World, France 24, Russia Today, etc. (I may have some weird world views after all that).


Interestingly, every single one of those channels, excluding Jewish News One, is a proproganda channel owned by a foreign government, and Jewish News One is obviously a religious based channel.
 
2013-08-06 11:31:38 AM
www.tvworthwatching.com

Ever notice how bad CBS programming is?
 
2013-08-06 11:34:31 AM

Southern100: Carth: Has anyone on fark tried using https://aereo.com? $8 a month for all the broadcast channels on any device and free DVR seems like it might be a good sports alternative for people.

Don't count on Aereo for long.  If the courts don't back the providers, the content providers (ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS) are going to take their ball and go home - they're going to stop broadcasting OTA.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2013/04/08/holy-cow-two-of -t he-big-four-tv-networks-are-considering-going-off-the-air/


I'd be surprised if they let them drop OTA broadcasts since it is a public health concern during local and national emergencies. they'd need to provide some other way of getting content to people free.

However, if dropping OTA means they start showing their broadcast free online I'm all for it.
 
2013-08-06 11:41:34 AM

Southern100: Because when TWC increases your cable bill next month by $1, you'll be calling TWC and biatching at THEM and demanding to know why your bill went up.


I think you misread my post. I asked why would anyone feel sympathetic towards CBS. I totally get why I should take TWC's side.
 
2013-08-06 11:43:33 AM

Geotpf: Lawnchair: Is local news a requirement?  Several world TV broadcasters in English out there on streaming and/or free-to-air satellite dish.  Al Jazeera English, Jewish News One, China Central TV, NHK World, France 24, Russia Today, etc. (I may have some weird world views after all that).

Interestingly, every single one of those channels, excluding Jewish News One, is a proproganda channel owned by a foreign government, and Jewish News One is obviously a religious based channel.


That's what you get for free... someone with some motive to send it to you.  Used to be advertising. But, in the era when most people are paying something to watch, people who won't pay are largely people who won't/can't buy new cars and buy whatever beer is cheapest.  Still, enough to fill the 'random noise' space in life for those of us who grew up with a TV-noise addiction.

Carth: I'd be surprised if they let them drop OTA broadcasts since it is a public health concern during local and national emergencies. they'd need to provide some other way of getting content to people free.

However, if dropping OTA means they start showing their broadcast free online I'm all for it.


For the public service component? One PBS affiliate per market would cover that niche adequately.  And, as the TWC-CBS thing shows, it's also pretty much irrelevant.  Half the country doesn't even know/believe that you can still get TV with an antenna.  Most of the rest say, "it's just too much bother to do that".  If we were in a situation where we needed broadcast-broadcast TV to get out Civil Defence info, it's already a lost cause.  Most people don't have and won't put up antennas (or, again, there wouldn't be blacked out people right now).

That doesn't mean they're going to start showing crap online for free (that they aren't already).
 
2013-08-06 11:46:26 AM
As the pool of cable users dwindles, places are just going to be fighting harder and harder to keep a share of it. It's ugly and stupid, but since they are still pretty sure that despite all evidence, they can continue to operate as they have and not move forward.

/1010 wins is owned by CBS
//commercials from both sides were big on the blame game
 
2013-08-06 11:49:38 AM

Carth: I'd be surprised if they let them drop OTA broadcasts since it is a public health concern during local and national emergencies. they'd need to provide some other way of getting content to people free.


Who are "they"? The government? There's no requirement/law that I know of that broadcasters have to make their content free OTA, just that if they do, they (now) have to do it via the digital format instead of the old analog. Radio is still the notification service of choice, as everybody has a radio. Not everyone has HD antennas.

However, if dropping OTA means they start showing their broadcast free online I'm all for it.

Free online? Snowballs chance in hell. That's why they want to stop broadcasting in the first place, because it doesn't make them money (it *costs* them money). They'll throw up authentication walls overnight, if they don't have them already. (Making you authenticate/sign in with your cable/TV provider before it will stream any shows to you, like many providers (such as TruTV) already do).
 
2013-08-06 11:50:21 AM

Fireproof: Southern100: Because when TWC increases your cable bill next month by $1, you'll be calling TWC and biatching at THEM and demanding to know why your bill went up.

I think you misread my post. I asked why would anyone feel sympathetic towards CBS. I totally get why I should take TWC's side.


Sorry, reading comprehension fail. :)
 
2013-08-06 11:51:57 AM

Lawnchair: For the public service component? One PBS affiliate per market would cover that niche adequately


I don't know much about the science of terrestrial television spectrum but if you kept part of it available for PBS wouldn't that defeat the purpose of trying to open it up for other uses? I thought the difference between 1 channel and 10 wasn't that great no?

Looks like according to Nielsen about 30 million Americans use OTA  which is less than 10% so not many.
 
2013-08-06 11:54:35 AM
I like the offer. I've never been a cable tv subscriber, until technically this year when comcast insists on bundling a basic package with the awesome internet service they're selling me.

Anyway, I'd have gone full dickhead with the offer. A la carte, and we won't mark up the price at all for 6 or 12 months. You tell us exactly what you want viewers to pay and we'll accommodate it at our expense.

Because the content providers really do seem to be the ones who have driven most of the price increases. It's a little surprising that the dynamic between two interdependent virtual monopolies has been so lopsided, but I guess the cable providers haven't really cared to fight much since consumers still had few alternatives and have generally kept paying. Now that's not necessarily the case and they have something at stake too.
 
2013-08-06 11:54:52 AM
So TWC has put a gun to the cable business model's head and said, "Do what we say, or our customers get your channel a la carte." Are they loaded? (The gun, the comments, and the negotiators, all)

tekmo: www.tvworthwatching.com

Ever notice how bad CBS programming is?

His eyebrows aren't that bad. And the Sunday Morning program is downright decent enough that I wake up to watch it OTA.
 
2013-08-06 11:58:38 AM
Lawnchair:  Half the country doesn't even know/believe that you can still get TV with an antenna.  Most of the rest say, "it's just too much bother to do that".

Nah, I think most people know, but the only ones who care would be the ones who don't have cable or satellite, i.e. poor and cheap people, like myself.

If we were in a situation where we needed broadcast-broadcast TV to get out Civil Defence info, it's already a lost cause. Most people don't have and won't put up antennas (or, again, there wouldn't be blacked out people right now).

Eh, I dunno. The EAS is used a lot more than Civil Defense things. When Hurricane Katrina was approaching NOLA, some local stations switched to a 24/7 EAS "GET THE FARK OUT NOW!" message, and it almost certainly saved lives. The idea here is that there needs to be a way to get immediate emergency info out to people who can't afford cable.

I'm inclined to agree with you about the PBS affiliates, though.
 
2013-08-06 12:01:39 PM

Southern100: mithras_angel:
3)  You just watch stuff on CBS.com.

Can't do that.   CBS blocked ALL of TWC's IPs to CBS.com. Even if you're not in a blacked out market, if you're on TWC you can't watch CBS.com.

But even if you don't HAVE cable (or Fios, or UVerse, or whatever), you can. It's free for everyone. Except TWC. Just another "Fark You" CBS is giving to TWC customers.


Huh.  Didn't know that.  Especially since TWC was advertising that "you can still watch your shows at CBS.com".  I didn't check, because I hadn't missed any shows yet. Honestly, if this wasn't the summer repeats, I probably would have, but I've no need to see the same episode of NCIS for a third time this year, not when I can watch Castle on a different station.

I'll have to check the placeholder screen, when I get back, to see if that advice of "watch CBS.com" is still up.

If I am blocked, and there's something I ~must~ watch, I'll just get one of my brothers to set up a proxy I can go through on his Comcast side of the world.
 
2013-08-06 12:02:35 PM

Enormous-Schwanstucker: Girion47: I just wait an hour or two and my torrent program automatically grabs them from my private tracker.  Already stripped of commercials.  Seeing as I work from home, I don't have to worry about spoilers from co-workers.

Nice. I debated going that route but with multiple TV's in the house it's a tad cumbersome to build a distribution system. One day perhaps I'll grow completely tired of sat/cable and develop a solution for this.


TVersity is what I use.  You run it on the server, and you can then view your files (pretty much any video/audio file) on certain devices anywhere in the house. XBox 360, Playstation 3, Wii, certain Roku boxes, smartphones, tablets, you name it.

You can use Windows Media Center to do the same thing, but I've been using TVersity for soooo long that I haven't even messed around with WMC.
 
2013-08-06 12:05:50 PM

Carth: Lawnchair: For the public service component? One PBS affiliate per market would cover that niche adequately

I don't know much about the science of terrestrial television spectrum but if you kept part of it available for PBS wouldn't that defeat the purpose of trying to open it up for other uses? I thought the difference between 1 channel and 10 wasn't that great no?

Looks like according to Nielsen about 30 million Americans use OTA  which is less than 10% so not many.


TV has been packed down several times over the years. Former UHF channels 70-83 (800-900 MHz) were turned into the original cell-phone band in 1982.  52-69 (700-800 MHz) were more recently sold after the digital switch (all TV stations are on RF channels 51 or lower now, although some will show virtual numbers higher than that).  The FCC is well down the road of a packing everything into the range below  channel 35, freeing the 600 MHz range.  The other notion is that LTE is designed to be more flexible, so where there isn't a 'channel 22', they could lease that to Sprint or whoever.

Longer-term, the last stand for the handful of legacy terrestrial broadcasters (i.e., PBS) will be the high-VHF (channels 7-13) band.  Those frequencies aren't coveted for mobile phone/data.  It's not really optimal for digital TV (which is why that's mostly in UHF now), but it's acceptable and better than the low-VHF (channels 2-6).
 
2013-08-06 12:06:18 PM

mithras_angel: Southern100: mithras_angel:
3)  You just watch stuff on CBS.com.

Can't do that.   CBS blocked ALL of TWC's IPs to CBS.com. Even if you're not in a blacked out market, if you're on TWC you can't watch CBS.com.

But even if you don't HAVE cable (or Fios, or UVerse, or whatever), you can. It's free for everyone. Except TWC. Just another "Fark You" CBS is giving to TWC customers.

Huh.  Didn't know that.  Especially since TWC was advertising that "you can still watch your shows at CBS.com".  I didn't check, because I hadn't missed any shows yet. Honestly, if this wasn't the summer repeats, I probably would have, but I've no need to see the same episode of NCIS for a third time this year, not when I can watch Castle on a different station.

I'll have to check the placeholder screen, when I get back, to see if that advice of "watch CBS.com" is still up.

If I am blocked, and there's something I ~must~ watch, I'll just get one of my brothers to set up a proxy I can go through on his Comcast side of the world.


This article on TheConsumerist says TWC customers in blacked-out markets are seeing this on CBS.com:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-06 12:06:21 PM
Does anyone actually watch CBS besides old people?
 
2013-08-06 12:06:51 PM

mithras_angel: I'll have to check the placeholder screen, when I get back, to see if that advice of "watch CBS.com" is still up.

If I am blocked, and there's something I ~must~ watch, I'll just get one of my brothers to set up a proxy I can go through on his Comcast side of the world.


You can read the story here along with a picture of the placeholder screen:

http://consumerist.com/2013/08/05/dont-be-fooled-both-time-warner-ca bl e-cbs-hate-your-guts/

TWC has asked them to remove the block, but they haven't done so yet to my knowledge.
 
2013-08-06 12:07:00 PM

Geotpf: Interestingly, every single one of those channels, excluding Jewish News One, is a propoganda channel owned by a foreign government, and Jewish News One is obviously a religious based channel.


I think you're a tiny bit unclear on the meaning of one of these two words.
 
2013-08-06 12:09:32 PM

dj_spanmaster: So TWC has put a gun to the cable business model's head and said, "Do what we say, or our customers get your channel a la carte." Are they loaded? (The gun, the comments, and the negotiators, all)


Not really.  It's all posturing so that TWC can come out and say, "see, we wanted to give you a la carte but the networks won't let us."  Don't pay attention to anything anybody says publicly in these negotiations.  It's all just PR.
 
2013-08-06 12:11:12 PM

PsyLord: Does anyone actually watch CBS besides old people?


They're currently #1 in the country, and are airing stuff like "CSI" and "How I Met Your Mother," so yes.
 
2013-08-06 12:17:21 PM

rugman11: dj_spanmaster: So TWC has put a gun to the cable business model's head and said, "Do what we say, or our customers get your channel a la carte." Are they loaded? (The gun, the comments, and the negotiators, all)

Not really.  It's all posturing so that TWC can come out and say, "see, we wanted to give you a la carte but the networks won't let us."  Don't pay attention to anything anybody says publicly in these negotiations.  It's all just PR.


IIRC, this is the first time cafeteria style has been brought up in negotiations, even as a fear tactic. That by itself signifies a change. 

If a cunning cable company were to make such a model available to customers, I would strongly consider switching back to cable. But in the meantime I'll get by on OTA, Netflix, and Hulu.
 
2013-08-06 12:24:42 PM

Fireproof: PsyLord: Does anyone actually watch CBS besides old people?

They're currently #1 in the country, and are airing stuff like "CSI" and "How I Met Your Mother," so yes.


I don't want to comb through tv ratings information but are they also number 1 in the 18-35 demo?
 
2013-08-06 12:29:03 PM

dj_spanmaster: If a cunning cable company were to make such a model available to customers, I would strongly consider switching back to cable. But in the meantime I'll get by on OTA, Netflix, and Hulu.


Oh, I think it's coming. It may be 5-10 years away, but it'll happen. Just as companies like Cricket & MetroPCS starting forcing the big providers to start offering flat-rate cell phone pricing in order to compete, all it will take will be a few companies like HuluPlus to start forcing the network providers to start offering alacarte pricing. (Heck, HuluPlus is almost there already).
 
2013-08-06 12:35:00 PM

Girion47: That's funny, I have Time Warner Cable internet and I still am able to get all of the CBS shows I care to watch.


Congrats, your CBS affiliate isn't actually owned by CBS.  Most of them aren't outside of the biggest cities.  You have lost your on demand and internet access to it though.

Here's what CBS owns (remember not all these markets have Time Warner Cable):

CBS: LA, Sacramento, SF, Denver, Miami, Chicago, Baltimore, Boston, Detroit, MSP (and some satellites), NYC, Philly, Pitt, Dallas

CW: Sacramento, SF, Tampa, Atlanta, Detroit, Philly, Pitt, Seattle

MyNetworkTV: Miami, Boston

Tr3s: Indy

Independents: LA, Dallas, Riverhead NY (Long Island)
 
2013-08-06 12:35:27 PM

Carth: I don't want to comb through tv ratings information but are they also number 1 in the 18-35 demo?


Yes, as fragmented as that demographic is, someone has to be #1.  The question is one of loyalty/depth.  Tens of millions of people will watch "2 Broke Girls" or "Two and a Half Men" if it's just there, in front of them, and there's nothing better to do.  It's very, very broad anesthetizing entertainment.  Would tens of millions of people actively pay $2 or $3 of their own money per month to get those sitcoms (and still have dozens of ads per hour)?  Some, but not tens of millions. Certainly not if there are any effectively-free sitcom reruns from the past.  People are just looking for mindlessness, and there are already more hours of mindlessness already in the vaults than any person could ever watch in a lifetime.

NFL games, sure, lots of people would pay for that, and that's going to be the more interesting question.
 
2013-08-06 12:45:33 PM
Get a farking TV antenna, you retreads!
 
2013-08-06 12:55:55 PM
I'd like to pork the girl who plays Angie on Under the Dome
 
2013-08-06 01:00:21 PM

Southern100: Because when TWC increases your cable bill next month by $1, you'll be calling TWC and biatching at THEM and demanding to know why your bill went up.

And then when NBC does the same thing 2 months from now, and your cable bill goes up by another $1, you'll call TWC *again*.

And then again when ABC does it. And again when FOX does it. And then again when USA, WB, or whoever else does it.

TWC takes all the heat for the bill because people think that because they can get it for free over the air, that TWC MUST be just ripping them off hand-over-fist by charging $XX dollars a month for "Basic" cable.

It's the same shiat every couple of months. Not long ago it was DISH and AMC. Same story there. AMC wants more money, DISH has to take all the heat & blame for the channel going dark. Eventually they reach a compromise, AMC gets their money, and YOU pay for it.


I've only seen speculation as to how much they are paid now and how much they want to be paid.  It's also not JUST the local CBS station.  It's also things like Smithsonian, TMC, Flix, and of course Showtime.

I'm not aware of what TWC is countering with, if anything.  Are they both holding fast to these numbers which are only publicly being speculated?

And sometimes business costs rise and your suppliers raise prices.  TWC need not pass all of that cost directly onto consumers bills.  They can play with other costs.  They can do all sorts of things besides passing all of the cost directly to the consumer/
 
2013-08-06 01:01:01 PM
Would definitely notice:

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2013-08-06 01:08:25 PM

Geotpf: Lawnchair: Is local news a requirement?  Several world TV broadcasters in English out there on streaming and/or free-to-air satellite dish.  Al Jazeera English, Jewish News One, China Central TV, NHK World, France 24, Russia Today, etc. (I may have some weird world views after all that).

Interestingly, every single one of those channels, excluding Jewish News One, is a proproganda channel owned by a foreign government, and Jewish News One is obviously a religious based channel.


Actually, Al Jazeera, NHK and France 24 are pretty good.  CCTV and RT are biased as all hell - so much that I usually don't believe anything RT tells me and often just watch for comic relief or to see how a story is playing in Russia.  I haven't watched JN1 enough to have an opinion.

I'm not sure if you can stream BBC but you can watch clips of at least some of their news on their site and of course there's the PBS News Hour that you can watch online.  SkyNews has just added a channel on Roku so I wouldn't be surprised if they stream over the internet also.

But no matter where you get your news there will be some bias, so you should take that into account and if you care get it from a variety of sources.

I'm doing just fine without being able to turn on CNN, Fox and MSNBC 24/7.
 
2013-08-06 01:17:26 PM

gfid: I've only seen speculation as to how much they are paid now and how much they want to be paid.  It's also not JUST the local CBS station.  It's also things like Smithsonian, TMC, Flix, and of course Showtime.

I'm not aware of what TWC is countering with, if anything.  Are they both holding fast to these numbers which are only publicly being speculated?


One argument that TWC is making (and it's got some common sense behind it) is that in the markets where CBS programming comes through an affiliate (say, Meredith in ATL, KC, and Phoenix), the affiliates are often asking for less than $1/sub/month.  Meanwhile, for the exact same content, they're asking $2/sub/month in the markets where CBS owns their stations.  This is where the 400-600% numbers are coming from.  Of course, Meredith also can't bend TWC over on Showtime and the rest, so they have far less extortionary power.

Not that, if the CBS-owned stations get $2, the affiliates won't start demanding $2 next go-round.
 
2013-08-06 01:18:51 PM

gfid: I'm not sure if you can stream BBC but you can watch clips of at least some of their news on their site and of course there's the PBS News Hour that you can watch online.  SkyNews has just added a channel on Roku so I wouldn't be surprised if they stream over the internet also.


If you're in the UK, you can livestream the BBC channels (BBC One, Two, Three, Four) directly on the BBC website, but they're IP locked.  You can't view them (legally) from the U.S.
 
2013-08-06 02:14:58 PM
No CBS through cable?
i00.i.aliimg.com
/problem solved
 
2013-08-06 02:15:41 PM

Southern100: Just as companies like Cricket & MetroPCS starting forcing the big providers to start offering flat-rate cell phone pricing in order to compete


I hate to break the news to you, but Cricket has been bought out by AT&T, and MetroPCS by T-Mobile. My guess is that US Cellular will be the next carrier to get borg'd; they've already pulled out of the Chicago market and sold that spectrum to Sprint. Stupidly, they've kept the naming rights to Sox Park even though they no longer serve Chicago.

Southern100: If you're in the UK, you can livestream the BBC channels (BBC One, Two, Three, Four) directly on the BBC website, but they're IP locked. You can't view them (legally) from the U.S.


It looks like, if you're a British citizen and pay the TV license fee, you can sign in to watch. Oddly, some of the BBC's worldwide sites lock out British IPs, on the basis that they are NOT paid for by the license fee.
 
2013-08-06 02:19:09 PM
This dispute is getting all the headlines, but there's also a dispute going on between Dish Network and Raycom media, which has caused viewers in over 30 cities to lose some of their local networks. I lost CBS last week. I was able to watch Under the Dome online since my internet is through a different provider. I connected via Apple TV, so it wasn't a big deal. That's currently the only thing I watch on CBS, so I won't really start complaining unless this drags into football season.
 
2013-08-06 02:24:03 PM
By the way, there's an effort afoot to revive one of the nastier provisions of SOPA, namely, making unauthorized streaming a felony. As if there aren't enough felonies already.
 
2013-08-06 02:30:16 PM

Carth: Fireproof: PsyLord: Does anyone actually watch CBS besides old people?

They're currently #1 in the country, and are airing stuff like "CSI" and "How I Met Your Mother," so yes.

I don't want to comb through tv ratings information but are they also number 1 in the 18-35 demo?


Nobody cares about 18-35, unless they're selling zit cream.  18-49 is the real, sought after demo, and yes, CBS is tops there, too.
 
2013-08-06 02:32:48 PM

Fubegra: Southern100: Just as companies like Cricket & MetroPCS starting forcing the big providers to start offering flat-rate cell phone pricing in order to compete

I hate to break the news to you, but Cricket has been bought out by AT&T, and MetroPCS by T-Mobile. My guess is that US Cellular will be the next carrier to get borg'd; they've already pulled out of the Chicago market and sold that spectrum to Sprint. Stupidly, they've kept the naming rights to Sox Park even though they no longer serve Chicago.


Yeah, but that's pretty recent.  I think that had it not been for Cricket/MetroPCS 5-6 years ago, it would have taken a lot longer for AT&T, Sprint, Verizon & T-Mobile to even consider flat-rate cell service. It probably would have still happened, just would have taken longer. :)

And I think the same thing will happen with Cable/TV at some point.  The big companies sure won't do it on their own (at least not without government intervention, and good luck with THAT with the million dollar lobbyists); the only thing that will make them change is competition.
 
2013-08-06 02:33:32 PM

Southern100: Enormous-Schwanstucker: Girion47: I just wait an hour or two and my torrent program automatically grabs them from my private tracker.  Already stripped of commercials.  Seeing as I work from home, I don't have to worry about spoilers from co-workers.

Nice. I debated going that route but with multiple TV's in the house it's a tad cumbersome to build a distribution system. One day perhaps I'll grow completely tired of sat/cable and develop a solution for this.

TVersity is what I use.  You run it on the server, and you can then view your files (pretty much any video/audio file) on certain devices anywhere in the house. XBox 360, Playstation 3, Wii, certain Roku boxes, smartphones, tablets, you name it.

You can use Windows Media Center to do the same thing, but I've been using TVersity for soooo long that I haven't even messed around with WMC.


Interesting. Looks like a pretty easy solution, or at least part of it. My problem is 5 TV's that need content streamed to them means 5 additional set top or related devices but I like the idea of the on the fly transcoding and discoverable nature. Might have to look into that.

Thanks for the link.
 
2013-08-06 02:36:21 PM
The BBC has a private BBC News app on Roku that streams BBC News 24 hours a day. I use it all the time.
 
2013-08-06 02:39:49 PM
If you have Roku, the private code is BBCN, by the way.
 
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