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(Yahoo)   The Yanks are being sneaky with their Manifest Destiny again   (ca.news.yahoo.com) divider line 30
    More: Amusing, NSA, Mexico, United States, manifest destinies, United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence  
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2013-08-06 08:29:57 AM  
10 votes:
I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".
2013-08-06 08:18:08 AM  
5 votes:
Those are continents, you idiots. Yes, to avoid any confusion they should have named it "North America" but they probably didn't think anybody was stupid enough to misunderstand it. Apparently they were wrong.
2013-08-06 09:23:51 AM  
3 votes:
We've got to stop using that word 'Homeland' it's giving me the Soviet creeps!
2013-08-07 07:38:46 AM  
2 votes:

Tman144: hasty ambush: Tman144: Yes! How can you even argue otherwise? You really think Mexico wouldn't be a better place to live if Los Angeles were a part of Mexico? The GDP of California is about $1.8 trillion, the GDP of all of Mexico is $1.1 trillion, but I'm sure more than doubling the GDP of a country wouldn't do anything to the standard of living. It would be like if 20 years after the American Revolution, Canada invaded and took everything north of Virginia. Do you think we would be the country we are today without New York?

What in the heck makes you think California would have a GDP of $1.8 trillion if it were part of Mexico?   Given the problems in Mexico going beyond whatever impact  the Mexican American War may have had  It is doubtful that California would have developed the economy it has today or Mexico would have  built the infrastructure you see in the United States Southwest.

Since the Mexican American War Mexico has had an occupation by France followed by a revolution to throw them out, a10 year revolution that turned into a civil war, a military dictatorship, various small rebellions including the repression of native tribes along with earlier mentioned institutionalized corruption and you honestly think Mexico's problems are because it lost California.

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The U.S. fought a bloody civil war, fought off an European invasion in 1812, and we have had plenty of corruption in our time. I don't think it's far fetched to think that chopping a country in half just as it got on it's feet was seriously detrimental to it's long term prospects, especially when part of that territory became the second largest city in the U.S. And while the GDP of a Mexico with California in modern times is impossible to determine, I really don't think it's out of line to suggest that the GDP of a Mexico including California would be at least double what it is today.


Like you honestly believe Mexico would have constructed the infrastructure necessary (dams, aqueducts etc) to get water to Southern California or a Silicon Valley would have happened under a Republic of Mexico California.


Yes we still have corruption in this country and it is institutionalized in many parts (Louisiana, Chicago, Rio Grande Valley of Texas, Detroit, Baltimore, Philly etc) but these places are rank amateurs compared to Mexico.

It is not as if the rest of Mexico that remained Mexican was without resources (ie Oil). None of Mexico's problems are gong to be solved if the excuse is to blame other (the US) when the real problem in staring back at them from a mirror.
2013-08-06 02:17:19 PM  
2 votes:

Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.


www.motivationals.org
2013-08-06 11:15:11 AM  
2 votes:

Major Ethanolic: we'll make Spanish the second official language


Wouldn't we have to have a first official language first?
2013-08-06 09:27:05 AM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".


A lot about American nationalism gives me the creeps.

Why do we have to play the national anthem or God Bless America at every sporting event?  What do sports have to do with it?  Why do we feel the need to make schoolchildren stand every morning and swear a loyalty oath to the state?  Why are any of these things necessary or appropriate in a free society?
2013-08-06 09:27:01 AM  
2 votes:
Why do I feel the sudden urge for pork rinds and loudly proclaiming my opinion despite no one asking for it?
2013-08-06 09:25:05 AM  
2 votes:
Canada, sure...fine we'll let them tag along, but Mexico can't even make safe drinking water.

Like buying a house with mold, bad plumbing, ancient electric, no A/C, unsafe water and gangs of roaches that run cocaine and make dozens of people disappear at one time, it would cost more than it's worth to fix it up.

Ummmm...no thanks.
2013-08-06 09:22:42 AM  
2 votes:
Yanks?  Is this another A-Rod thread?
2013-08-07 07:26:33 AM  
1 votes:

Doc Daneeka: Try calling a Southerner a "Yankee" and see what kind of reaction you get.


Better yet, don't.
2013-08-06 04:47:21 PM  
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Tman144: Yes! How can you even argue otherwise? You really think Mexico wouldn't be a better place to live if Los Angeles were a part of Mexico? The GDP of California is about $1.8 trillion, the GDP of all of Mexico is $1.1 trillion, but I'm sure more than doubling the GDP of a country wouldn't do anything to the standard of living. It would be like if 20 years after the American Revolution, Canada invaded and took everything north of Virginia. Do you think we would be the country we are today without New York?

What in the heck makes you think California would have a GDP of $1.8 trillion if it were part of Mexico?   Given the problems in Mexico going beyond whatever impact  the Mexican American War may have had  It is doubtful that California would have developed the economy it has today or Mexico would have  built the infrastructure you see in the United States Southwest.

Since the Mexican American War Mexico has had an occupation by France followed by a revolution to throw them out, a10 year revolution that turned into a civil war, a military dictatorship, various small rebellions including the repression of native tribes along with earlier mentioned institutionalized corruption and you honestly think Mexico's problems are because it lost California.

.

The U.S. fought a bloody civil war, fought off an European invasion in 1812, and we have had plenty of corruption in our time. I don't think it's far fetched to think that chopping a country in half just as it got on it's feet was seriously detrimental to it's long term prospects, especially when part of that territory became the second largest city in the U.S. And while the GDP of a Mexico with California in modern times is impossible to determine, I really don't think it's out of line to suggest that the GDP of a Mexico including California would be at least double what it is today.
2013-08-06 02:38:54 PM  
1 votes:

Tman144: This text is now purple: Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.

We took over parts of Mexico that were never really Mexico. It was frontier that mostly didn't recognize Mexican authority. They certainly never policed the vast majority of it.

And mostly, no one wanted the California interior, upper Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona. Mexico, then as now, most cares about central Mexico and the Yucatan. Chihuahua and Sonora are godforsaken deserts.

Well, if no one wanted it, I guess it's OK that we stole it by force. It's like we found California alone in a parking lot. We posted signs around town saying "lost territory: California, please call the White House if this belongs to you" but Mexico never responded. What else did you want us to do?


Exactly how was the Aztec Empire founded again... by group hugs?  What was the revolution the dictator Santa Anna was putting down after he threw away the Mexican Constitution-that just happened to included what is now Texas as well as about a half dozen other Mexican states?  Texas won the other states not so much

Quit sniveling  about coming in second place.  Mexico is an armpit because of the institutionalized corruption and the tendency to blame others (you are good example) for their problems not because of their second place finish in the Texas Revolution and Mexican American War.

/Stolen my ass
2013-08-06 02:28:42 PM  
1 votes:
I think it nice that Senator Feinstein (D-CA) has been playing RISK of late.  {A much better use of her time than other things....}
2013-08-06 02:14:31 PM  
1 votes:

Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.




Stole? Really? Does that mean we get the money we paid them for it plus the equity back in return for it? Are you really arguing that Mexico would be a better place to live if it still controlled California, Arizona, New Mexico etc. More likely the People in those States would no be enjoying the same high standard of living the average Mexican does.

Amazing how those who come in second place (First Loser) claim what they lost was stolen.
2013-08-06 01:47:24 PM  
1 votes:
Not enough Claire Danes in this thread.
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2013-08-06 01:45:12 PM  
1 votes:

Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.


We took over parts of Mexico that were never really Mexico. It was frontier that mostly didn't recognize Mexican authority. They certainly never policed the vast majority of it.

And mostly, no one wanted the California interior, upper Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona. Mexico, then as now, most cares about central Mexico and the Yucatan. Chihuahua and Sonora are godforsaken deserts.
2013-08-06 12:09:22 PM  
1 votes:
FTA: Apparently, 2 out 10 Americans can't find Canada on a map of North America.

I'll bet they can't name all 57 states,either!
2013-08-06 12:04:44 PM  
1 votes:
Mexico and Canada have alot of oil. Canada has way more than Iraq and Afghanistan.
2013-08-06 11:20:04 AM  
1 votes:

prekrasno: Did any of you conspiracy theorists also notice they included all of Russia as part of Asia?


That just proves it's a map...from the FUTURE! And THEY don't want you to know it.
2013-08-06 10:43:26 AM  
1 votes:
You forgot Poland Greenland
2013-08-06 10:21:46 AM  
1 votes:

Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.


You misspelled "won".
2013-08-06 09:46:22 AM  
1 votes:

gopher321: untaken_name: Look, if America's Hat and America's Shoes don't like it, they can go ahead and start something.

Canada's Underpants better shut it's whore mouth before we leave some skid marks!


Too late. I've been to Michigan.
2013-08-06 09:40:55 AM  
1 votes:
Look, if America's Hat and America's Shoes don't like it, they can go ahead and start something.
2013-08-06 09:39:22 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".


Because "DNS" is already taken.

Seriously though, a Department of National Security next to the DoJ (FBI), CIA, NSA (and the Prez's National Security Advisor, the other "NSA"), various SPECOPS teams (which yes, are military, not civilian)...gets a little crowded in the "protecting us" realm.

"DHS" implies less of a law enforcement/policing mandate, and more of a general "border security" one by lumping the Coast Guard, FEMA and ICE together.

// I'd like a better name as well - Department of the Interior isn't it (that refers more to flora, fauna and parks services, no?)
// shiat, subsume DHS into DoJ or make some hybridized office/department with the National Security Council
2013-08-06 09:31:20 AM  
1 votes:
For the continued safety of all Americans, the US government has had to expand the areas in which you are guaranteed safety.You will pay no new taxes for this gift if you live in the affected areas.Operation Lebensraum has been supported by both parties in secret meetings.
2013-08-06 09:30:19 AM  
1 votes:
Hey Michelle, grab that new world order map that we were getting ready to roll out and slap some bullcrap on it, I need if for a press conference.
2013-08-06 09:27:32 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".


Yes, we should just call it "The Fatherland" and be done with it - obvious propaganda on a more subtle scale is just too soft... unless you are a patriot, and love America no matter what, of course.
yay.
2013-08-06 09:27:17 AM  
1 votes:

George Babbitt: We've got to stop using that word 'Homeland' it's giving me the Soviet creeps!


It's slightly less sexist than "Motherland" or "Fatherland".
2013-08-06 09:25:22 AM  
1 votes:
Much ado about who gives a fark.
 
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