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2013-08-06 07:41:24 AM
cchavers.wikispaces.com

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2013-08-06 08:18:08 AM
Those are continents, you idiots. Yes, to avoid any confusion they should have named it "North America" but they probably didn't think anybody was stupid enough to misunderstand it. Apparently they were wrong.
 
2013-08-06 08:23:37 AM

SmackLT: Those are continents, you idiots.

 
2013-08-06 08:29:57 AM
I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".
 
2013-08-06 09:20:07 AM
ZOMG NORTH AMERICAN UNION!  THEY'RE GETTING READY TO ROLL OUT THE AMERO!  ARM YOURSELVES!!!!
 
2013-08-06 09:22:42 AM
Yanks?  Is this another A-Rod thread?
 
2013-08-06 09:23:39 AM

dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".


National Security includes overseas missions. Up until the Bush administration, the "homeland" was always referred to as the Interior, or just the United States. Department of Interior Security would have been in line with previous nomenclature, or Department of Internal Security, but I think the Bushies really wanted the more emotional term for propaganda purposes.

I wish we'd rename it, the way we dropped the "Global War on Terror" terminology.
 
2013-08-06 09:23:51 AM
We've got to stop using that word 'Homeland' it's giving me the Soviet creeps!
 
2013-08-06 09:25:05 AM
Canada, sure...fine we'll let them tag along, but Mexico can't even make safe drinking water.

Like buying a house with mold, bad plumbing, ancient electric, no A/C, unsafe water and gangs of roaches that run cocaine and make dozens of people disappear at one time, it would cost more than it's worth to fix it up.

Ummmm...no thanks.
 
2013-08-06 09:25:22 AM
Much ado about who gives a fark.
 
2013-08-06 09:25:42 AM
Well if you want to be a continentalist, then they're right.
 
2013-08-06 09:26:17 AM

George Babbitt: We've got to stop using that word 'Homeland' it's giving me the Soviet creeps!


Reminds me more of apartheid South Africa.

/either way it's doubleplusungood
 
2013-08-06 09:26:17 AM
Another one of mine went green?
 
2013-08-06 09:27:01 AM
Why do I feel the sudden urge for pork rinds and loudly proclaiming my opinion despite no one asking for it?
 
2013-08-06 09:27:05 AM

dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".


A lot about American nationalism gives me the creeps.

Why do we have to play the national anthem or God Bless America at every sporting event?  What do sports have to do with it?  Why do we feel the need to make schoolchildren stand every morning and swear a loyalty oath to the state?  Why are any of these things necessary or appropriate in a free society?
 
2013-08-06 09:27:17 AM

George Babbitt: We've got to stop using that word 'Homeland' it's giving me the Soviet creeps!


It's slightly less sexist than "Motherland" or "Fatherland".
 
2013-08-06 09:27:32 AM

dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".


Yes, we should just call it "The Fatherland" and be done with it - obvious propaganda on a more subtle scale is just too soft... unless you are a patriot, and love America no matter what, of course.
yay.
 
2013-08-06 09:27:52 AM

George Babbitt: We've got to stop using that word 'Homeland' it's giving me the Soviet creeps!


Yea, the word homeland, the Department of Homeland Security and the TSA are all little victories that the bad guys scored after the attack.

At least they were smart enough not to use Fatherland.
 
2013-08-06 09:28:22 AM
thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com
 
2013-08-06 09:28:41 AM

dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".


You have already been assimilated. United States "Law Enforcement" officers have been operating in all three countries for decades now. The War on Drugs® was all the excuse anyone needed. Now, that War has been expanded and revised to include all other factors of National Security.

We can hear you clearly, and are listening very closely.
 
2013-08-06 09:29:20 AM

real_headhoncho: Another one of mine went green?


Oh yeah, you'd better update your profile page right away!
errmehgerrrd! green lerrrrt!
 
2013-08-06 09:30:08 AM

Arkanaut: George Babbitt: We've got to stop using that word 'Homeland' it's giving me the Soviet creeps!

It's slightly less sexist than "Motherland" or "Fatherland".


Preventing heteronormative expression was their focus when they chose that word....
 
2013-08-06 09:30:19 AM
Hey Michelle, grab that new world order map that we were getting ready to roll out and slap some bullcrap on it, I need if for a press conference.
 
2013-08-06 09:31:20 AM
For the continued safety of all Americans, the US government has had to expand the areas in which you are guaranteed safety.You will pay no new taxes for this gift if you live in the affected areas.Operation Lebensraum has been supported by both parties in secret meetings.
 
2013-08-06 09:39:22 AM

dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".


Because "DNS" is already taken.

Seriously though, a Department of National Security next to the DoJ (FBI), CIA, NSA (and the Prez's National Security Advisor, the other "NSA"), various SPECOPS teams (which yes, are military, not civilian)...gets a little crowded in the "protecting us" realm.

"DHS" implies less of a law enforcement/policing mandate, and more of a general "border security" one by lumping the Coast Guard, FEMA and ICE together.

// I'd like a better name as well - Department of the Interior isn't it (that refers more to flora, fauna and parks services, no?)
// shiat, subsume DHS into DoJ or make some hybridized office/department with the National Security Council
 
2013-08-06 09:40:55 AM
Look, if America's Hat and America's Shoes don't like it, they can go ahead and start something.
 
2013-08-06 09:43:06 AM

untaken_name: Look, if America's Hat and America's Shoes don't like it, they can go ahead and start something.


Canada's Underpants better shut it's whore mouth before we leave some skid marks!
 
2013-08-06 09:44:58 AM
Canada I can understand. Most Canadians speak a civilized language (except for Quebec) and it is not a third world armpit. But Mexico is the complete opposite and it would require a too large an investment to bring it up to a civilized standard.
 
2013-08-06 09:46:22 AM

gopher321: untaken_name: Look, if America's Hat and America's Shoes don't like it, they can go ahead and start something.

Canada's Underpants better shut it's whore mouth before we leave some skid marks!


Too late. I've been to Michigan.
 
2013-08-06 09:47:45 AM

mbillips: dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".

National Security includes overseas missions. Up until the Bush administration, the "homeland" was always referred to as the Interior, or just the United States. Department of Interior Security would have been in line with previous nomenclature, or Department of Internal Security, but I think the Bushies really wanted the more emotional term for propaganda purposes.

I wish we'd rename it, the way we dropped the "Global War on Terror" terminology.


Suppose instead of "homeland" we call it "The Fatherland"?
 
2013-08-06 09:48:23 AM
12 of the 13 "terrorist plots" were probably Mexican cartel drug deals.
 
2013-08-06 09:50:16 AM

hasty ambush: Canada I can understand. Most Canadians speak a civilized language (except for Quebec) and it is not a third world armpit. But Mexico is the complete opposite and it would require a too large an investment to bring it up to a civilized standard.


B-b-b-but jobs! Why do you hate Mexico?
 
2013-08-06 09:50:16 AM

imontheinternet: 12 of the 13 "terrorist plots" were probably Mexican cartel drug deals.


The 13th was the great maple syrup heist.  Truly the most Canadian of terrorist atrocities.
 
2013-08-06 09:50:53 AM

hasty ambush: Canada I can understand. Most Canadians speak a civilized language (except for Quebec) and it is not a third world armpit. But Mexico is the complete opposite and it would require a too large an investment to bring it up to a civilized standard.


So, in other words, Detroit II,Electric Boogaloo
 
2013-08-06 09:52:35 AM
I'm curious as to who is being protected? Us (the people) or them (the government) I don't have many enemies in the middle east or Eurasia anymore since my 20's Im going to need some information on this.

Anyone in the NSA who is obviously reading or at least documenting this have any insight?
 
2013-08-06 09:53:39 AM

Darkrover2: Canada, sure...fine we'll let them tag along, but Mexico can't even make safe drinking water. Ummmm...no thanks.


That's funny, we say similar things about your air and water from up here in Canada. How's things down in The Valley?

/Oblongs reference
//Not ST:TOS
 
2013-08-06 09:58:51 AM
Worked for the Macedonians.

So who is going to be emperor?

Collin Powell?
 
2013-08-06 10:00:21 AM
I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.
 
2013-08-06 10:00:36 AM

Darkrover2: Canada, sure...fine we'll let them tag along, but Mexico can't even make safe drinking water.

Like buying a house with mold, bad plumbing, ancient electric, no A/C, unsafe water and gangs of roaches that run cocaine and make dozens of people disappear at one time, it would cost more than it's worth to fix it up.

Ummmm...no thanks.


Mexico has a lot of natural resources. It the corrupt government that keeps that country poor.
 
2013-08-06 10:08:32 AM
Once they saw they could get away with calling something the Department of Homeland Security and everything that implies, they knew they had us cowed.

I guess we should be happy they couldn't get away with TIA and its eye-in-the-pyramid logo without at least a rebranding to something less blatant.
 
2013-08-06 10:14:04 AM
DAMMIT, I TOLD THEM TO LEAVE ME ALONE AND STOP SIGNING ME UP FOR ALL THAT CRAP.
 
2013-08-06 10:19:07 AM

Doc Daneeka: A lot about American nationalism gives me the creeps.

Why do we have to play the national anthem or God Bless America at every sporting event?  What do sports have to do with it?  Why do we feel the need to make schoolchildren stand every morning and swear a loyalty oath to the state?  Why are any of these things necessary or appropriate in a free society?


Because if you don't do it, or want to do it, you're clearly a commie.
 
2013-08-06 10:21:37 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Darkrover2: Canada, sure...fine we'll let them tag along, but Mexico can't even make safe drinking water.

Like buying a house with mold, bad plumbing, ancient electric, no A/C, unsafe water and gangs of roaches that run cocaine and make dozens of people disappear at one time, it would cost more than it's worth to fix it up.

Ummmm...no thanks.

Mexico has a lot of natural resources. It the corrupt government that keeps that country poor.


And the descendants of the Spanish families that financed the expeditions and settled there.
 
2013-08-06 10:21:46 AM

Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.


You misspelled "won".
 
2013-08-06 10:29:23 AM

Doc Daneeka: dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".

A lot about American nationalism gives me the creeps.

Why do we have to play the national anthem or God Bless America at every sporting event?  What do sports have to do with it?  Why do we feel the need to make schoolchildren stand every morning and swear a loyalty oath to the state?  Why are any of these things necessary or appropriate in a free society?


Its worse in Texas believe me.  Before I yanked my kid out of school there was the morning assembly that involved 1 prayer and 2 loyalty oathes.  One to the usOFa and a much MUCH louder one to the state of Texas.  It was creepy as hell.  But dont worry we would never allow the annexation of the great country of Canada.  After all, if we did that where would we have to run to when this civil war finally gets off to the ground?  Mexico?  Oh hell no.  I would rather take my chances with the firing squads.
 
2013-08-06 10:43:26 AM
You forgot Poland Greenland
 
2013-08-06 10:46:08 AM

Doc Daneeka: dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".

A lot about American nationalism gives me the creeps.

Why do we have to play the national anthem or God Bless America at every sporting event?  What do sports have to do with it?  Why do we feel the need to make schoolchildren stand every morning and swear a loyalty oath to the state?  Why are any of these things necessary or appropriate in a free society?


I've been asking these same questions for many years. I don't see the correlation and it makes me feel like it's some kind of indoctrination into the "American Exceptionalism" school of thought.

/I love America but I don't think we are any better than the rest of the civilized world
 
2013-08-06 11:07:21 AM

dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".


It tells you a lot about who was designing the institution and what they considered appropriate, yes. In 2002 US citizens were extrmely creepy in the way they either supported the DHS' name or did not question it, though. The rest of the world thought you were being very freaky and revealing your actual historical heroes. "Homeland" has as much to do with Cheney and Rove and Rumsfled's political philosophies as it does anything else. Those are the people you chose to lead you, which sort of helps to explain why the nation that brought us some of history's best free thinkers can simply accept that jingoism.
 
2013-08-06 11:10:41 AM
We might as well go ahead and annex them both anyway. Mexicans won't stop until they're either all here or have sent half our money home, and Canadians are...well, practically Americans anyway. To win over the 12 Mexicans who will give a damn, we'll make Spanish the second official language. Think about it: a total of 43 new stars on the flag, 200 million+ new taxpayers, superhighways all around, and we can legalize pot production in the new south so we can export it and pay off the National Debt in 10 years. It's high time we embraced our imperialistic roots again.
 
2013-08-06 11:15:11 AM

Major Ethanolic: we'll make Spanish the second official language


Wouldn't we have to have a first official language first?
 
2013-08-06 11:16:22 AM
Did any of you conspiracy theorists also notice they included all of Russia as part of Asia?
 
2013-08-06 11:20:04 AM

prekrasno: Did any of you conspiracy theorists also notice they included all of Russia as part of Asia?


That just proves it's a map...from the FUTURE! And THEY don't want you to know it.
 
2013-08-06 11:24:34 AM

Doc Daneeka: dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".

A lot about American nationalism gives me the creeps.

Why do we have to play the national anthem or God Bless America at every sporting event?  What do sports have to do with it?  Why do we feel the need to make schoolchildren stand every morning and swear a loyalty oath to the state?  Why are any of these things necessary or appropriate in a free society?


A civilization that does nothing to foster civic piety in its citizens will fall before a civilization that actively fosters civic piety in its citizens. Public rituals are powerful tools in that process.
 
2013-08-06 11:33:55 AM
The only way they can steal all the money is to merge nations in a kind of globalism.
 
2013-08-06 11:47:33 AM

SmackLT: Those are continents, you idiots. Yes, to avoid any confusion they should have named it "North America" but they probably didn't think anybody was stupid enough to misunderstand it. Apparently they were wrong.


This.
 
2013-08-06 11:52:52 AM
Homeland -- Kind of Orwellian, but indistinct.
Fatherland -- Taken (Germany, Vaterland)
Mother -- also spoken for (Mother Russia)
Brother -- The Orwell original, but co-opted by Reality TV (which, come to think of it, may work in a 21st century Marching Morons sort of way)

But how about a truly 'Murican relative? UNCLE Sam!  UncleLand sounds more like an Amusement Park Name, but I'm sure it'll catch on . . .
 
2013-08-06 12:02:56 PM
UncleLand sounds really creepy. I would have gone with something like, department of domestic security, but nobody asked me. I never really understood the reason for the DHS anyway. We already have the FBI. If they can stop the mafia, they can stop terrorists. Really, the mafia probably killed more Americans in a year than al-quesadillas killed in their history.

Lol, autocorrect suggested al-quesadillas, I'm leaving it.
 
2013-08-06 12:04:44 PM
Mexico and Canada have alot of oil. Canada has way more than Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2013-08-06 12:09:22 PM
FTA: Apparently, 2 out 10 Americans can't find Canada on a map of North America.

I'll bet they can't name all 57 states,either!
 
2013-08-06 12:14:49 PM

kaduh: Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.

You misspelled "won".


Is that how you spell 'occupied'?
 
2013-08-06 12:22:26 PM

SmackLT: Those are continents, you idiots. Yes, to avoid any confusion they should have named it "North America" but they probably didn't think anybody was stupid enough to misunderstand it. Apparently they were wrong.


What's that word,,,
tip of my tongue,,,
You know, for deliberately playing stupid,,,

Smart guy knows that NSA considers the entire farking world their plaything.
Any tongue slippage is to be noted, not alibied.
 
2013-08-06 12:27:18 PM

Doc Daneeka: dittybopper: I wish they would stop using the term "homeland".   Department of Homeland Security sounds pretty totalitarian to my ears.   Why not try using something more neutral and less obviously jingoistic like "Department of National Security".

A lot about American nationalism gives me the creeps.

Why do we have to play the national anthem or God Bless America at every sporting event?  What do sports have to do with it?  Why do we feel the need to make schoolchildren stand every morning and swear a loyalty oath to the state?  Why are any of these things necessary or appropriate in a free society?


So what other countries do or don't do any of the above?
 
2013-08-06 12:37:16 PM

Latinwolf: So what other countries do or don't do any of the above?


I forget, is today a day when we aren't supposed to care what the rest of the world does or thinks of us, or is it not?
 
2013-08-06 12:37:44 PM
Not looking forward to winter ELEVEN months out of the year... Anne Murray, all day, every day.
 
2013-08-06 12:52:05 PM

Major Ethanolic: We might as well go ahead and annex them both anyway. Mexicans won't stop until they're either all here or have sent half our money home, and Canadians are...well, practically Americans anyway. To win over the 12 Mexicans who will give a damn, we'll make Spanish the second official language. Think about it: a total of 43 new stars on the flag, 200 million+ new taxpayers, superhighways all around, and we can legalize pot production in the new south so we can export it and pay off the National Debt in 10 years. It's high time we embraced our imperialistic roots again.


And a lot of Mexico is desert, so we could build solar plants to power it and other areas. If our nations were to combine our resources, we could all become energy independent and eventually, slow our consumption of oil. And then store that oil so that when everyone else starts to run out, we can begin drilling again and sell it to the highest bidder. The United States of North America shall prevail!
 
2013-08-06 12:53:03 PM

bluorangefyre: Not looking forward to winter ELEVEN months out of the year... Anne Murray, all day, every day.


And mayonnaise on EVERYTHING!
 
2013-08-06 12:53:04 PM
dasbut.com
 
2013-08-06 12:53:35 PM
Instead of "Homeland" how about we call it the "Fatherland"?
 
2013-08-06 01:00:41 PM

gopher321: Why do I feel the sudden urge for pork rinds and loudly proclaiming my opinion despite no one asking for it?


I am asking for it, as long as I can continue to eat my freedom fries and you agree with my political view point. Bullet points as followed:

1. Legalize weed. Continue the war on drugs.
2. If you aren't with us, your against us. Unless you are with/against us.
3. We should stop all foreign aid, but continue to provide aid to countries we see fit.
4. Fark the French. Seriously, when we take Canada those limey bastards are being sent home.
5. Agree with my political view points completely. But, feel free to voice your disagreement as long as it doesn't offend me.
 
2013-08-06 01:19:45 PM

gopher321: untaken_name: Look, if America's Hat and America's Shoes don't like it, they can go ahead and start something.

Canada's Underpants better shut it's whore mouth before we leave some skid marks!


So that is how Detroit happened?
 
2013-08-06 01:26:05 PM
How do you make more 'terrorist' actions into the books?
Include Mexico and Igloo Mexico to the list and all of a sudden, terrorists everywhere!!!!

/Vote the Republican parties Stephen Harper. Or else!
//Fekking traitor to the people of Canada.
///Repeat: that U.S. cops and FBI's and CIA have no legal power over Canadians in Canada. No matter what the sweatervest says.
 
2013-08-06 01:36:39 PM

sheep snorter: How do you make more 'terrorist' actions into the books?
Include Mexico and Igloo Mexico to the list and all of a sudden, terrorists everywhere!!!!

/Vote the Republican parties Stephen Harper. Or else!
//Fekking traitor to the people of Canada.
///Repeat: that U.S. cops and FBI's and CIA have no legal power over Canadians in Canada. No matter what the sweatervest says.




They could classify "road rage" as terrorism.

You idiots on the road terrify me more than all the terrorist that have ever existed, combined.

farking terrorists.
 
2013-08-06 01:45:12 PM

Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.


We took over parts of Mexico that were never really Mexico. It was frontier that mostly didn't recognize Mexican authority. They certainly never policed the vast majority of it.

And mostly, no one wanted the California interior, upper Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona. Mexico, then as now, most cares about central Mexico and the Yucatan. Chihuahua and Sonora are godforsaken deserts.
 
2013-08-06 01:47:24 PM
Not enough Claire Danes in this thread.
media.salon.com
 
2013-08-06 02:14:31 PM

Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.




Stole? Really? Does that mean we get the money we paid them for it plus the equity back in return for it? Are you really arguing that Mexico would be a better place to live if it still controlled California, Arizona, New Mexico etc. More likely the People in those States would no be enjoying the same high standard of living the average Mexican does.

Amazing how those who come in second place (First Loser) claim what they lost was stolen.
 
2013-08-06 02:17:19 PM

Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.


www.motivationals.org
 
2013-08-06 02:20:59 PM

FourDirections: SmackLT: Those are continents, you idiots.

 
2013-08-06 02:28:20 PM

George Babbitt: We've got to stop using that word 'Homeland' it's giving me the Soviet creeps!


Wilkommen to ze Faderland, Amerikaner Schwein.

Und I say zat in ze nicest possible way, mitt ein schmile.
 
2013-08-06 02:28:42 PM
I think it nice that Senator Feinstein (D-CA) has been playing RISK of late.  {A much better use of her time than other things....}
 
2013-08-06 02:29:04 PM

This text is now purple: Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.

We took over parts of Mexico that were never really Mexico. It was frontier that mostly didn't recognize Mexican authority. They certainly never policed the vast majority of it.

And mostly, no one wanted the California interior, upper Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona. Mexico, then as now, most cares about central Mexico and the Yucatan. Chihuahua and Sonora are godforsaken deserts.


Well, if no one wanted it, I guess it's OK that we stole it by force. It's like we found California alone in a parking lot. We posted signs around town saying "lost territory: California, please call the White House if this belongs to you" but Mexico never responded. What else did you want us to do?
 
2013-08-06 02:30:17 PM
Memo to self: Pick up big sack of Amero coins on way home from work.
 
2013-08-06 02:31:54 PM
Nicaragua called. They sound very, very upset.
 
2013-08-06 02:38:54 PM

Tman144: This text is now purple: Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.

We took over parts of Mexico that were never really Mexico. It was frontier that mostly didn't recognize Mexican authority. They certainly never policed the vast majority of it.

And mostly, no one wanted the California interior, upper Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona. Mexico, then as now, most cares about central Mexico and the Yucatan. Chihuahua and Sonora are godforsaken deserts.

Well, if no one wanted it, I guess it's OK that we stole it by force. It's like we found California alone in a parking lot. We posted signs around town saying "lost territory: California, please call the White House if this belongs to you" but Mexico never responded. What else did you want us to do?


Exactly how was the Aztec Empire founded again... by group hugs?  What was the revolution the dictator Santa Anna was putting down after he threw away the Mexican Constitution-that just happened to included what is now Texas as well as about a half dozen other Mexican states?  Texas won the other states not so much

Quit sniveling  about coming in second place.  Mexico is an armpit because of the institutionalized corruption and the tendency to blame others (you are good example) for their problems not because of their second place finish in the Texas Revolution and Mexican American War.

/Stolen my ass
 
2013-08-06 02:44:09 PM

Nutsac_Jim: kaduh: Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.

You misspelled "won".

Is that how you spell 'occupied'?


What would I do without FARK? Especially when threads like these and comments like these inspire me to write new poetry?


It's Occupied! - ©2013 by Trevor Patrick

The other day while chatting online,
I expressed a desire to one day visit Israel.
It just so happened to be my bad luck,
To run into an Israeli Apartheid Week shill.

He was quick off the mark to fiercely correct me,
Saying: 'You racist piece of shiat!!!'
The proper term is: 'Occupied Palestine',
Because Israel doesn't exist!

I replied to him: 'Well, roger that,
'I certainly get your point.
'Because after all, I too live on occupied land,
'And its stolen pleasures daily enjoy.'

You see, I live in Occupied Algonquia,
Itself a part of Occupied Québec,
Which itself is a part of Occupied Nouveau France,
That Occupied Huronia's tributes did collect.

And recently I visited a friend in Texas,
Or rather, in Occupied Aztlan,
Or if one forgets to remember the Alamo:
Occupied Aztec Lands.

But maybe everything I'm saying is very unfair,
Perhaps I don't really understand,
Because if you go back just a little bit further,
They're occupied jaguar lands.

I pondered all that as I drank a coffee,
Poisoning my occupied microbe body,
And the microbes just kept fighting their daily battle,
To incorporate stolen stardust carbon atoms.
 
2013-08-06 02:44:47 PM

hasty ambush: Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.

Stole? Really? Does that mean we get the money we paid them for it plus the equity back in return for it? Are you really arguing that Mexico would be a better place to live if it still controlled California, Arizona, New Mexico etc. More likely the People in those States would no be enjoying the same high standard of living the average Mexican does.

Amazing how those who come in second place (First Loser) claim what they lost was stolen.


Yes! How can you even argue otherwise? You really think Mexico wouldn't be a better place to live if Los Angeles were a part of Mexico? The GDP of California is about $1.8 trillion, the GDP of all of Mexico is $1.1 trillion, but I'm sure more than doubling the GDP of a country wouldn't do anything to the standard of living. It would be like if 20 years after the American Revolution, Canada invaded and took everything north of Virginia. Do you think we would be the country we are today without New York?

Also, why don't we ask Mexico if they are willing to pay $15 million(plus interest) for all of this back:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Mexican_Cession. pn g

By you logic then, it would be OK if I shot you and moved into your house? If your children complained, I could just throw them $5 and call them losers? btw, I'm not Mexican, I'm an American.
 
2013-08-06 03:01:49 PM

hasty ambush: Tman144: This text is now purple: Tman144: I like how everyone complains that Mexico is a shiathole, but conveniently forgets the part where we stole half their country.

We took over parts of Mexico that were never really Mexico. It was frontier that mostly didn't recognize Mexican authority. They certainly never policed the vast majority of it.

And mostly, no one wanted the California interior, upper Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona. Mexico, then as now, most cares about central Mexico and the Yucatan. Chihuahua and Sonora are godforsaken deserts.

Well, if no one wanted it, I guess it's OK that we stole it by force. It's like we found California alone in a parking lot. We posted signs around town saying "lost territory: California, please call the White House if this belongs to you" but Mexico never responded. What else did you want us to do?

Exactly how was the Aztec Empire founded again... by group hugs?  What was the revolution the dictator Santa Anna was putting down after he threw away the Mexican Constitution-that just happened to included what is now Texas as well as about a half dozen other Mexican states?  Texas won the other states not so much

Quit sniveling  about coming in second place.  Mexico is an armpit because of the institutionalized corruption and the tendency to blame others (you are good example) for their problems not because of their second place finish in the Texas Revolution and Mexican American War.

/Stolen my ass



Again, I'm not Mexican. Notice I said  we stole, not  you stole. I just don't feel the need to reflexively defend every action the U.S. has ever taken. Slavery was wrong, and so is war for conquest. If Best Buy is unwilling to sell me a T.V. for $40, the right thing to do is offer more money, not bust in with guns, take what I want, throw $20 on the floor, and tell them to "stop complaining." Then, when Best Buy goes bankrupt, say "hey, don't blame me for all your problems!"

And what do the Aztecs have to do with a war against a former Spanish colony? It was 1840. The Aztecs were long gone.
 
2013-08-06 03:04:20 PM

brantgoose: George Babbitt: We've got to stop using that word 'Homeland' it's giving me the Soviet creeps!

Wilkommen to ze Faderland, Amerikaner Schwein.

Und I say zat in ze nicest possible way, mitt ein schmile.


Danke schein, und now I posses de Aryan creeps as vell.
 
2013-08-06 03:20:10 PM

Tman144: Yes! How can you even argue otherwise? You really think Mexico wouldn't be a better place to live if Los Angeles were a part of Mexico? The GDP of California is about $1.8 trillion, the GDP of all of Mexico is $1.1 trillion, but I'm sure more than doubling the GDP of a country wouldn't do anything to the standard of living. It would be like if 20 years after the American Revolution, Canada invaded and took everything north of Virginia. Do you think we would be the country we are today without New York?


What in the heck makes you think California would have a GDP of $1.8 trillion if it were part of Mexico?   Given the problems in Mexico going beyond whatever impact  the Mexican American War may have had  It is doubtful that California would have developed the economy it has today or Mexico would have  built the infrastructure you see in the United States Southwest.

Since the Mexican American War Mexico has had an occupation by France followed by a revolution to throw them out, a10 year revolution that turned into a civil war, a military dictatorship, various small rebellions including the repression of native tribes along with earlier mentioned institutionalized corruption and you honestly think Mexico's problems are because it lost California.

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2013-08-06 04:47:21 PM

hasty ambush: Tman144: Yes! How can you even argue otherwise? You really think Mexico wouldn't be a better place to live if Los Angeles were a part of Mexico? The GDP of California is about $1.8 trillion, the GDP of all of Mexico is $1.1 trillion, but I'm sure more than doubling the GDP of a country wouldn't do anything to the standard of living. It would be like if 20 years after the American Revolution, Canada invaded and took everything north of Virginia. Do you think we would be the country we are today without New York?

What in the heck makes you think California would have a GDP of $1.8 trillion if it were part of Mexico?   Given the problems in Mexico going beyond whatever impact  the Mexican American War may have had  It is doubtful that California would have developed the economy it has today or Mexico would have  built the infrastructure you see in the United States Southwest.

Since the Mexican American War Mexico has had an occupation by France followed by a revolution to throw them out, a10 year revolution that turned into a civil war, a military dictatorship, various small rebellions including the repression of native tribes along with earlier mentioned institutionalized corruption and you honestly think Mexico's problems are because it lost California.

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The U.S. fought a bloody civil war, fought off an European invasion in 1812, and we have had plenty of corruption in our time. I don't think it's far fetched to think that chopping a country in half just as it got on it's feet was seriously detrimental to it's long term prospects, especially when part of that territory became the second largest city in the U.S. And while the GDP of a Mexico with California in modern times is impossible to determine, I really don't think it's out of line to suggest that the GDP of a Mexico including California would be at least double what it is today.
 
2013-08-06 05:39:25 PM
You know who also believed in Anschluss?
 
2013-08-06 05:53:37 PM
Oh there's going to be some butt hurt over that.
 
2013-08-06 07:17:42 PM
On Wednesday, for example, the Canadian Press reported that the United States wants its police officers to be exempt from Canadian law when taking part in cross-border policing initiatives.

Yeah, the US probably just wants a SOFA type agreement so that their agents won't be arrested and taken to court if they do any raping or killing.
 
2013-08-06 07:43:52 PM

Darkrover2: Canada, sure...fine we'll let them tag along, but Mexico can't even make safe drinking water.

Like buying a house with mold, bad plumbing, ancient electric, no A/C, unsafe water and gangs of roaches that run cocaine and make dozens of people disappear at one time, it would cost more than it's worth to fix it up.

Ummmm...no thanks.


Funny, Canada probably feels much the same way about the US at this particular point in time.
 
2013-08-06 10:19:30 PM
www.bumperstickerz.com

s24.postimg.org
Mexico:
America's Banana Hammock
 
2013-08-06 10:50:10 PM

Tman144: The U.S. fought a bloody civil war, fought off an European invasion in 1812, and we have had plenty of corruption in our time. I don't think it's far fetched to think that chopping a country in half just as it got on it's feet was seriously detrimental to it's long term prospects, especially when part of that territory became the second largest city in the U.S. And while the GDP of a Mexico with California in modern times is impossible to determine, I really don't think it's out of line to suggest that the GDP of a Mexico including California would be at least double what it is today.


Actually, it was us plucky Canucks that fought off an American invasion (with the help of the native population).  You Yanks did fight off British invasions, but the first one got your White House and other "public" buildings in Washington burnt down.

To be fair, we did give back all the stuff we captured after the war.  Hell, we didn't want Detroit even that far back.
 
2013-08-07 12:32:12 AM

Doc Daneeka: Yanks?  Is this another A-Rod thread?


Yanks is a derogatory term many Australians, Brits and possibly Canadians use to belittle Americans. Even though the word itself is sometimes used by Americans, when used by others it is almost always meant in a derogatory manner.

From the Urban Dictionary:

A word used by Brits, Aussies, and various others to refer to Americans. Connotation can range from affectionate to pejorative. Often associated with tired stereotypes of Americans being, of course, fat and stupid people who all drive Hummers and love George Bush (all 32% of us!) and can't locate the planet Earth on a map.
 
2013-08-07 02:29:15 AM

kg2095: Doc Daneeka: Yanks?  Is this another A-Rod thread?

Yanks is a derogatory term many Australians, Brits and possibly Canadians use to belittle Americans. Even though the word itself is sometimes used by Americans, when used by others it is almost always meant in a derogatory manner.

From the Urban Dictionary:

A word used by Brits, Aussies, and various others to refer to Americans. Connotation can range from affectionate to pejorative. Often associated with tired stereotypes of Americans being, of course, fat and stupid people who all drive Hummers and love George Bush (all 32% of us!) and can't locate the planet Earth on a map.


That's impossible. Everyone around the world loves the United States and recognizes our exceptional moral superiority.
 
2013-08-07 06:41:58 AM

kg2095: Doc Daneeka: Yanks?  Is this another A-Rod thread?

Yanks is a derogatory term many Australians, Brits and possibly Canadians use to belittle Americans. Even though the word itself is sometimes used by Americans, when used by others it is almost always meant in a derogatory manner.

From the Urban Dictionary:

A word used by Brits, Aussies, and various others to refer to Americans. Connotation can range from affectionate to pejorative. Often associated with tired stereotypes of Americans being, of course, fat and stupid people who all drive Hummers and love George Bush (all 32% of us!) and can't locate the planet Earth on a map.




I was joking a bit. I know that the word is widely mis-used by foreigners.

The word "Yankee" or "Yank" can only properly refer to one of two things: a member of the baseball team based in New York, or an old-stock New England WASP.

It is not a general term for all Americans, regardless of what people in other parts of the world may think. Try calling a Southerner a "Yankee" and see what kind of reaction you get.
 
2013-08-07 07:26:33 AM

Doc Daneeka: Try calling a Southerner a "Yankee" and see what kind of reaction you get.


Better yet, don't.
 
2013-08-07 07:38:46 AM

Tman144: hasty ambush: Tman144: Yes! How can you even argue otherwise? You really think Mexico wouldn't be a better place to live if Los Angeles were a part of Mexico? The GDP of California is about $1.8 trillion, the GDP of all of Mexico is $1.1 trillion, but I'm sure more than doubling the GDP of a country wouldn't do anything to the standard of living. It would be like if 20 years after the American Revolution, Canada invaded and took everything north of Virginia. Do you think we would be the country we are today without New York?

What in the heck makes you think California would have a GDP of $1.8 trillion if it were part of Mexico?   Given the problems in Mexico going beyond whatever impact  the Mexican American War may have had  It is doubtful that California would have developed the economy it has today or Mexico would have  built the infrastructure you see in the United States Southwest.

Since the Mexican American War Mexico has had an occupation by France followed by a revolution to throw them out, a10 year revolution that turned into a civil war, a military dictatorship, various small rebellions including the repression of native tribes along with earlier mentioned institutionalized corruption and you honestly think Mexico's problems are because it lost California.

.
The U.S. fought a bloody civil war, fought off an European invasion in 1812, and we have had plenty of corruption in our time. I don't think it's far fetched to think that chopping a country in half just as it got on it's feet was seriously detrimental to it's long term prospects, especially when part of that territory became the second largest city in the U.S. And while the GDP of a Mexico with California in modern times is impossible to determine, I really don't think it's out of line to suggest that the GDP of a Mexico including California would be at least double what it is today.


Like you honestly believe Mexico would have constructed the infrastructure necessary (dams, aqueducts etc) to get water to Southern California or a Silicon Valley would have happened under a Republic of Mexico California.


Yes we still have corruption in this country and it is institutionalized in many parts (Louisiana, Chicago, Rio Grande Valley of Texas, Detroit, Baltimore, Philly etc) but these places are rank amateurs compared to Mexico.

It is not as if the rest of Mexico that remained Mexican was without resources (ie Oil). None of Mexico's problems are gong to be solved if the excuse is to blame other (the US) when the real problem in staring back at them from a mirror.
 
2013-08-07 03:48:17 PM

Tman144: The U.S. ... fought off an European invasion in 1812.


Pierre Berton frowns at your ignorance. But then you American do seem to like invading other countries and claiming it a "defensive action".

http://www.amazon.ca/dp/0385658397

/Give a hoot, read a book!
 
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