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(Opposing Views)   Alexandria Hill, 2, was removed from her parents' home last November because they smoked pot while she was asleep. Alexandria was shipped off to two abusive foster homes and died at the hands of her 2nd foster mom, who is now charged with murder   (opposingviews.com) divider line 78
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2013-08-06 01:24:38 AM
6 votes:
That's a sad story, but there seems to be some missing details.  It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust, and how did they even find out the parents were smoking pot while the child slept?  It's certainly wrong what happened to the kid in foster care, but I'm curious about what went down to have the child removed from the parents in the first place.
2013-08-06 01:16:34 AM
6 votes:
Well at least she's not going to grow up to be a pot smoker. Chalk up another win for the war on drugs.
2013-08-06 08:04:38 AM
5 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: That's a sad story, but there seems to be some missing details.  It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust, and how did they even find out the parents were smoking pot while the child slept?  It's certainly wrong what happened to the kid in foster care, but I'm curious about what went down to have the child removed from the parents in the first place.


I'm a foster parent.  I've worked with CPS.  I've seen them pull kids based on what I would think was pretty minor stuff.

We had one placement of a 2 year old boy who was removed on suspicion of physical abuse.  Within half an hour of being in our home, we knew how he got the bruises he had:  Kid was a natural daredevil.  He liked to climb up on stuff and jump down, and he didn't mind getting hurt in the process.

You know, the natural born athlete type.

Turns out the mother's sister had a grudge of some kind against the mother of the boy, and she called CPS because she was "concerned" that there might be some physical abuse.  CPS shows up, sees the bruises, and pulls the kid immediately.  They have the power in my state to do that for up to 48 hours or so before it has to go to a family court judge.  And when you show up to that first court date, you almost certainly don't have any real evidence to dispute CPS.

Even though it was obvious to everyone, including the judge, that the mother wasn't abusing the boy, it still took her a month to get her son back, *AND* she was monitored by Social Services for a year after that.

I think CPS is predisposed to pulling kids out of homes if there is the slightest amount of evidence that supports a neglect or abuse finding, even if it's ultimately bullshiat.  That's because if it is found out that they could have done something to "save just one kid", and they didn't, there is at the very minimum a lot of bad press for them locally.

/We only do temporary "respite" care now.
//To hard to have a kid, especially an infant, stay with you for months and then let go.
2013-08-06 01:50:20 AM
5 votes:
Wait, no I found another article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385159/Foster-mother-beats-t o ddler-seized-biological-parents-social-services-discovered-smoking-pot .html?ito=feeds-newsxml

It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.
2013-08-06 01:48:31 AM
5 votes:

naughtyrev: Yeah, I have to agree with that. At face value this one doesn't quite pass the sniff test.


Keep in mind that this happened in Texas
2013-08-06 12:31:09 PM
4 votes:

Shadow Blasko: /The system needs more good families.


Ugh, it bugs me so much when people say this.  My wife and applied to be foster parents about a year ago.  We filled out all the hugely intrusive paperwork, gave up six weekends in a row to attend the classes, etc.  But when the caseworker came to do the home study, we mentioned that we had been pursuing adoption (don't get me started on that) and had decided to do foster care instead on the recommendation of our neighbor who was also a foster parent.  And of course, we were open to adopting a child out of foster care if the situation arose.  So they decided, on the basis of that alone, that we really didn't want to be foster parents after all and referred us back to yet another adoption agency.  I found out later that quite a few other couples from our training class had been similarly rejected.

They complain about not having enough families, but they're so quick to dismiss the ones who actually volunteer to help.

Fun fact - according to the AJC, the "nonprofit" adoption agency that they sent us to spends more on their administration than on child-related services.  Several of their employees make 6-figure salaries, but they somehow think it's justified to charge upwards of $25k for placement services.
2013-08-06 08:43:00 AM
4 votes:

vudukungfu: dittybopper: That assumes a relative willing and able to take the kid.

If she were a Native, they would ship her to a white family.


You might want to ask why that might be true.  Is it perhaps the lack of available Native foster parents?

Meh.  I've taken care of Black kids, and the littlebopper (who was our first placement, and whom we adopted) is Asian.   If race matters to you, you shouldn't be a foster parent.
2013-08-06 08:09:10 AM
4 votes:

SnakeLee: It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.


Meh.  I actually dropped the littlebopper when he was a toddler, and the distaffbopper dropped him as an infant.  He's in the gifted program at school.  Neither of us do illegal drugs, and we rarely drink.

/Don't think we drank at all when he was that age.
//Did read to him every farking day from the time he could sit up to the time he could read to us.
///If you have an infant or toddler, read a book to them every day.
2013-08-06 10:37:27 AM
3 votes:
It's nice to see that pot actually has nothing to do with this particular story.  I'm amused that's what everyone latched on to, instead of the obvious failures of the foster care system.

As an incidental aside, if you're not smart enough to do something that's illegal without getting caught, then you're not smart enough to be doing it at all in the first place - regardless of whether you think it should be legal or not.  It's like a tattoo on the neck, back of hands, face, or other hard-to-miss area.  It is proof that you have a severe lack of judgement because you know, in advance, that it will severely limit your employment opportunities.  These actions in themselves may not be a big deal, but they show this lack of common sense or intelligence.
2013-08-06 09:22:35 AM
3 votes:

Turfshoe: FTFA: "The two year old was then placed in an abusive foster home by a private agency contracted by Child Protective Services."

I wonder what family member or friend of a politician owns that private agency.


The same one that owns the prison. Probably has some stock in a drug testing company too.
2013-08-06 08:52:28 AM
3 votes:

Shadow Blasko: dittybopper: /We only do temporary "respite" care now.

Thanks for that!

You ever take your kids out to field days and the like?

/The system needs more good families.
//Can imagine that being placed with dittybopper results in an automatic paperwork filing for a class 2 operators licence, mandatory key test.


Not to field day.  Hell, I don't go to field day.  Plus, we only take kids the same age as the littlebopper, who is 9, or younger.

We do take them out to different stuff, though, as much as we can.  There is one former foster kid we still watch occasionally even though he's out of the system now.  We took him to the Young Eagles day at our local airport.  His legal guardian had to come because we couldn't sign the waivers.  He got to sit up front and steer the plane because it was his first time in an airplane.

Generally, though, we just try and do the stuff a "normal" family would do, but tailored to their capabilities and temperament.

You've got to develop a good read on the kids to find out what they can and can't really do.  Almost every kid that ends up in foster care has some issues.  Some are worse than others, some act out, some don't, and some simply haven't been exposed to a home environment where they have structure and rules, and consequences if they break the rules.
2013-08-06 08:36:52 AM
3 votes:
Thank god for the goody-two-shoes busybodies who are on eternal watch against pot smokers. Otherwise that poor child might have grown up to know the truth.
2013-08-06 07:38:29 AM
3 votes:
CPS isn't.
2013-08-06 01:36:50 PM
2 votes:

offmymeds: Phoenix87ta: So is it just me, or is this rag's entire shtick based around the omission of all the important details in order to work their readers into a frothy rage?

Bingo.


Well, what bothers me is that the author feels the NEED to tweak the narrative.  What happened here AIN'T RIGHT even if the guy robbed a bank.  The child was completely innocent in this and you DO NOT need to play this "he was the perfect father and CPS has no cause to take her away".

Sometimes the CPS does take children away for reasons which cannot be discussed publicly.  I mean, say a CPS agent "suspects" the child is sexually abusing the child.  Well that's a thing.  If it's just "inappropriate touching" that leaves no DNA evidence, I've been told there's a practical need to at least temporarily take the child from the parent because you can't get any info from a child when the child's under the parent's control.  But when someone goes to the paper to criticize CPS, CPS cannot defend its actions by publicly telling CNN "well, the reason we took his daughter is we think he's been abusing her.  He may have been putting his fingers in his little girl's vagina, basically raping her repeatedly.  But we're not saying that he did... we're saying we have reasons to believe he did."  And they're not even allowed to be *vague*, as that's *worse* in mediaspeak- "A CPS spokesman has responded that Mr. X may have done something truly heinous to Baby Y, but the possible nature of it was too horrific for him to repeat".

That's slander/libel.  Once it gets to the point of filing court charges, the CPS can professionally, objectively, formally, in all legally correctness respond "Charges of Mr. X performing Y crime have been filed in Z county".

Realistically, child protection just DOES require action before charges can be levied in court, and yet CPS cannot publicly respond to a public accusation of their conduct with their reasoning.  It's slander/libel.  So it's inherently very easy to make out CPS to be the bad guy, and CPS cannot strategically do anything to defend its actions in the public eye.
2013-08-06 01:23:03 PM
2 votes:

dittybopper: FTFA:
Police say Mrs. Small said she wanted to foster more children to earn extra income.

That is exactly 180 degrees the *WRONG* reason to do foster care.


My Ex-Sister-In-law did this.  She spent money like her and her husband were millionaires.  Constantly deep in debt.  She decided to start taking in foster and special needs kids to make extra money.  At thanksgiving one year, one of the boys, in a wheelchair, limited motor skills, could barely manipulate a fork, dropped a bean off the fork on to the floor. She went ape shiat on the kid.  I stood up, dropped my whole plate on the floor and said "Yell at me, I dare you."

I should have done more but i was relatively new to the family and it was thanksgiving. She is out of the system now.
2013-08-06 01:08:51 PM
2 votes:

robrr2003: Moral of the story..  If you love your kids you wont do drugs live in Texas.

You cant do both

2013-08-06 12:50:55 PM
2 votes:
So is it just me, or is this rag's entire shtick based around the omission of all the important details in order to work their readers into a frothy rage?
2013-08-06 11:28:58 AM
2 votes:

Magnanimous_J: It's already been established on here that pot had little, if anything to do with the child being removed by CPS. So can we stop pretending this is the fault of some dull eyed hicks from Texas doing it "cuz of the devil's mary-wana. Praise Jay-Sus!"?

The foster system IS farked up. But you know what? These kids are coming from farked up. farked up is all they know and most of them are going to reproduce at the first available opportunity and start the "completely farked" cycle all over again. farked in the Biblical sense. So farked you don't even have the mental framework to realize your farked.

It just pisses me off that everytime something like this happens, people jump down CPS' throat. They are in there every day dealing with the kind of shiat you can't even imagine for a salary they could earn as an office manager at a dentist. They take farked kids out of farked homes and try to put them in the least farked place they can find with the same money the Navy spends on one can of missile paint, and they're the bad guys.


They've placed her with two abusive families. So, excuse me if I don't shed a tear for CPS.
2013-08-06 11:08:37 AM
2 votes:
There's far too many comments focusing on pot and not enough comments focusing on the fact that this little girl had been placed with an abusive family twice.

As many noted previously - the pot wasn't the sole reason for removing the little girl. There appears to be legitimate reasons supported by the parents.

The issue is the sad frequency of abuse. Awhile ago,I read an article about how easy it is to sell foster kids if there's little chance of a parent returning to the picture. The article ended with statistics on how many foster children disappear each year.
2013-08-06 10:57:25 AM
2 votes:
This has precious little to do with weed as much as it has to do with privatizing  juveniles for human services, and walks arm in arm with abuse and neglect laden private contracting system in texass.

From prisons, bail bonders, to CPS and foster care, the state is riddled with corruption and limited to no oversight, basically anything that could stand in the way of profits or increase cost tot he state will be severely checked and monitored to the point of impotence, allowing contractors to perform their duties at will and as they see fit regardless of safety or human rights violations.

Don't be poor in Texass...   if you are, stay the hell out of trouble and the state governments pockets because they will not let you go...   not without taking everything you have, and possibly ever have if they can help it.

It seems the story is also not one of just finding out dude smoked in the house but has a bit more dpeth. Still the actual problem is the state, how it conducts its business and how it fails to truly oversee its contractors or apply punitive corrections to faulty contractors.
2013-08-06 09:30:17 AM
2 votes:
While the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services (DFPS) removes children such as Alexandria from their homes, they leave it up private agencies to do background checks on all foster homes.

Why don't we have a Texas tag?
2013-08-06 09:11:18 AM
2 votes:

gfid: Here's another one with more details:

http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId=218435991&fPath=/news/local/ &f Domain=10232


FTFA:
Police say Mrs. Small said she wanted to foster more children to earn extra income.

That is exactly 180 degrees the *WRONG* reason to do foster care.

Also FTFA:

The state also said he could not allow Alex to live with him at his parents because the "paternal grandfather is a registered sexual offender," for an offense that happened more than 20 years ago.

"Registered sexual offender" status could cover a whole lot of things that wouldn't necessarily endanger a 2 year old child.  If the guy liked to diddle little kids, it's understandable .   If he's someone who was convicted of public lewdness because he really, really had to take a piss, that's another story altogether.
2013-08-06 09:04:24 AM
2 votes:
I have a feeling there is no one involved with this story that you would want to invite to a dinner party, even if the one guy will bring weed.
2013-08-06 09:02:45 AM
2 votes:

naughtyrev: TuteTibiImperes: That's a sad story, but there seems to be some missing details.  It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust, and how did they even find out the parents were smoking pot while the child slept?  It's certainly wrong what happened to the kid in foster care, but I'm curious about what went down to have the child removed from the parents in the first place.

Yeah, I have to agree with that. At face value this one doesn't quite pass the sniff test.


Yeah, it's completely unheard of for CPS to overstep their bounds and declare themselves sole arbiters of who is right and wrong when concerning making decisicions for the welfare of a child.
2013-08-06 08:53:14 AM
2 votes:

SnakeLee: Wait, no I found another article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385159/Foster-mother-beats-t o ddler-seized-biological-parents-social-services-discovered-smoking-pot .html?ito=feeds-newsxml

It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.


It's pretty sad when Fark embraces a partner so bad that even the Daily Farking Fail is a better news source.

Here's another one with more details:

http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId=218435991&fPath=/news/local/ &f Domain=10232

According to court records, a state investigator discovered Alex's biological mother, Mary Sweeny, suffered from seizures and a doctor determined, "she is not allowed to drive or be alone with Alexandria."
Her biological father, Joshua Hill, admitted one time to "smoking marijuana in the house when his daughter was upstairs sleeping."
The state also said he could not allow Alex to live with him at his parents because the "paternal grandfather is a registered sexual offender," for an offense that happened more than 20 years ago.



So, naturally CPS put her with a family that admits they want the extra income and has multiple drug charges.
2013-08-06 08:50:38 AM
2 votes:

dittybopper: SnakeLee: It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.

Meh.  I actually dropped the littlebopper when he was a toddler, and the distaffbopper dropped him as an infant.  He's in the gifted program at school.  Neither of us do illegal drugs, and we rarely drink.

/Don't think we drank at all when he was that age.
//Did read to him every farking day from the time he could sit up to the time he could read to us.
///If you have an infant or toddler, read a book to them every day.


So much this!!! My 9 year old and I still read out loud to each other from time to time.
2013-08-06 08:41:52 AM
2 votes:

SlothB77: hmmm:

The parents, who are not together, handed Alexandria to Hill's mother to care for - until the state intervened on November 26th.
According to the Department of Family and Protective Services, the family disagreed who should take custody of the girl and decided to involve the CPS themselves - until both mom and dad got their lives in order.

big mistake there.


Indeed. Never involve the court system in your life if you can help it. They have a huge amount of power and an extremely limited amount of information upon which to base their decisions about your life.
2013-08-06 08:39:24 AM
2 votes:
This is disgusting.  Anyone who doesn't think that this is a completely farked up example of "the war on drugs" is a depraved farkwad.  And the saddest part is, this kind of overzealous bullshiat - where the authorities ruin someone's life because they smoked a joint - goes on all the time.
2013-08-06 08:35:40 AM
2 votes:
Ought to dig up Nancy Reagan and kick her corpse.
2013-08-06 08:19:36 AM
2 votes:
Joshua Hill's daughter, Alexandria, was taken from him and his wife in November 2013 because they smoked pot in their Round Rock, Texas home while their child slept.

There seems to be more to this story than they're reporting.
2013-08-06 02:28:06 AM
2 votes:

SnakeLee: Wait, no I found another article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385159/Foster-mother-beats-t o ddler-seized-biological-parents-social-services-discovered-smoking-pot .html?ito=feeds-newsxml

It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.


Good find. That article also says that the family voluntarily sent the kid to foster care until they could get their lives in order, and that the parents are not living together. I would guess the mom has major depression or bipolar disorder if she's safe around adults, but not small children.
2013-08-06 02:02:46 AM
2 votes:

SnakeLee: naughtyrev: Yeah, I have to agree with that. At face value this one doesn't quite pass the sniff test.

Keep in mind that this happened in Texas


My dad works for a version of CPS and one time I overheard him on take a call from work.

"Well do we know what kind of pipe it was that the child saw?.... I.......you see.......I'm trying to tell you.......[subordinate's name], listen to me, there are different kinds of pipes and it makes a huge difference..........OK.........OK.....LOOK you do your investigation and if it's meth you have my full blessing to file the report, if not, call me back.......yes?......of course I know illegal is illegal.......just let me know what you find"
2013-08-06 06:23:36 PM
1 votes:

The Voice of Doom: TFA While the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services (DFPS) removes children such as Alexandria from their homes, they leave it up private agencies to do background checks on all foster homes.

Handing that job over to someone who has an incentive to do it fast and cheap sounds like a great idea.


And here is he first person to hit on the gold-plated turd in the punchbowl. Texas (& Williamson County especially) politicians have been privatizing every service agency they possibly can for the last 15 years in the name of tax cuts and free market efficiency. Usually to the lowest bidders who can put the most cash into their back pockets through campaign donations & kickbacks. Gov. Oops is one of the kings of this policy, & the heir apparent, Dewhurst, is Perry with more animal cunning.

The private agencies in charge of welfare programs are often fly-by-night scam artists with an LLC. At best, they're running a year or more backlog on their ability to process cases like this. And instead of civil servants who got into this line of work so they can try and help others, the workers are usually wage-slaves in centralized call-centers who are just punching numbers into a screen all week long.

But hey, that's what happens when you elect politicians who believe all government is bad. You get an all-bad government.
2013-08-06 05:36:21 PM
1 votes:

offmymeds: Phoenix87ta: So is it just me, or is this rag's entire shtick based around the omission of all the important details in order to work their readers into a frothy rage?

Bingo.


People who are sooner worked into a frothy rage by TFA than by what actually happened need to take a look at their priorities. What an avalanche of fail in this story, rounded off with the death of a toddler.

Judging by many of the reactions in this thread, those who feel strongly about pot (one way or the other) are idiots. Far more important is that the child was put with people who foster to earn extra income.
2013-08-06 04:44:22 PM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust


Hah.

Bahahaha.

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Clearly you have no clue how this country works or how severe the brainwashing has become.
2013-08-06 02:39:02 PM
1 votes:
A good friend (and goalie for my hockey team) was an investigator for Philly CPS/Social Services...
The guy's heart was into his job, the city recognized him meritorious service and he did a lot of good...
but it took a huge toll on him, he has switched jobs now, and much happier about it, having to deal with the stuff he told us about sounded bad enough, and the ones he couldn't talk to us(teammates) about I know hurt to be a part of. A lot of the CPS are extremely vested in doing the best they can, especially for the victims and children, it is a hard, hard thing to deal with.

This is in a state that has been fairly liberal in its social services, I would not dare imagine what it is like in a state that for the most part wants nothing to do with that facet of governance, so much so that it willfully allows neglectful and corrupt contractor's to operate seemingly free to do so as they please.

People often step into those service jobs believing they can help, but it takes a huge toll, emotionally, physically, adn affects all aspects of your life, they are saturated in it. I would have to think that the actual CPS people involved will be tortured over this for a long time, if they ever find solace from it. However, the companies involved in operations and oversight...   could give a shiat. One less expense...
2013-08-06 02:12:40 PM
1 votes:

BitwiseShift: Back when GeorgeW was running for governor of Texas, he took a question from a social worker in the audience. Before that, I'd never seen a sneer like that when he heard she was a social worker.

Fast forward. You can imagine how well funded and valued any agency that might protect that little girl really is.  There's probably a tiny office of overworked CPS workers who have been crying their eyes out for days.


Yup. Holy fark, if there's one thing you'd think would be funded...
2013-08-06 01:52:47 PM
1 votes:

SpacemanSpoof: Ugh, it bugs me so much when people say this.  My wife and applied to be foster parents about a year ago.  We filled out all the hugely intrusive paperwork, gave up six weekends in a row to attend the classes, etc.  But when the caseworker came to do the home study, we mentioned that we had been pursuing adoption (don't get me started on that) and had decided to do foster care instead on the recommendation of our neighbor who was also a foster parent.  And of course, we were open to adopting a child out of foster care if the situation arose.  So they decided, on the basis of that alone, that we really didn't want to be foster parents after all and referred us back to yet another adoption agency.  I found out later that quite a few other couples from our training class had been similarly rejected.


That sounds like a local asshole-in-charge situation.

The distaffbopper and I were completely up-front about wanting to eventually adopt.  The people running our county foster care were fine with that.  In fact, our very first placement was a "safe haven" baby left at the local hospital when he was just 5 hours old.  We eventually adopted him (the littlebopper).

As I recall, out of our foster care classes, only 1 "couple" (actually, a mother/daughter team) didn't get certified, and that's because they failed to disclose something financial that wouldn't have been a bar to certification had they disclosed it.  I assume it was a bankruptcy.

We've taken other placements since then, though, but some of our longer ones turned into heartbreaks, so we mostly just do respite now.  Worse one:  Getting a 2 month old baby girl, and raising her for 9 months, then letting go.  That just really, really, *REALLY* sucks.  She went to her grandparents, who are wonderful people, but even now I tear up thinking about it.
2013-08-06 01:46:05 PM
1 votes:

SpacemanSpoof: Shadow Blasko: /The system needs more good families.

Ugh, it bugs me so much when people say this.  My wife and applied to be foster parents about a year ago.  We filled out all the hugely intrusive paperwork, gave up six weekends in a row to attend the classes, etc.  But when the caseworker came to do the home study, we mentioned that we had been pursuing adoption (don't get me started on that) and had decided to do foster care instead on the recommendation of our neighbor who was also a foster parent.  And of course, we were open to adopting a child out of foster care if the situation arose.  So they decided, on the basis of that alone, that we really didn't want to be foster parents after all and referred us back to yet another adoption agency.  I found out later that quite a few other couples from our training class had been similarly rejected.

They complain about not having enough families, but they're so quick to dismiss the ones who actually volunteer to help.

Fun fact - according to the AJC, the "nonprofit" adoption agency that they sent us to spends more on their administration than on child-related services.  Several of their employees make 6-figure salaries, but they somehow think it's justified to charge upwards of $25k for placement services.


 In my state, especially in my region of the state, we're extremely short of foster parents.  Yet, they try way too hard to make it difficult to give foster parenting a chance.  The requirements here are ridiculous.  They make it so that pretty much the only people that are willing/able to jump through the hoops and meet the requirements are the kind of people who have a big time alterior motive.  It skews the percentage of people who want to force a fundamentalist religious agenda, or just use the kids as an income source, or use fostering as a source for kids they can abuse.  If they made it easier in some ways, more good,normal, families might give it a shot.

And it seems there has to be a happy medium in there somewhere.  No, we don't want kids being sent to foster homes that aren't safe, happy, healthy, places for children to live.    In my area, we seem to be erring on both sides of the spectrum, too many awful people being allowed to foster, and too many decent people being denied or deterred from fostering. It's really tough to find a solution.  I'm thinking more of "total points" checklist approach, might be an improvement over the system we're currently using.  Have a few things that are automatic "no", like if you've been convicted of a felony, violent crime, sex crime, etc.  And then all of the other things that might make your household more or less qualified are worth so many points toward or against you.  And you need a total of x amount of points to qualify.  As it is now, it's both too cut and dried in some ways and too subjective in others.  Being a fit household for a child isn't a one-size fits all thing.  Some homes that might be weak in one area or another might be really strong in other ways that more than make up for it.  Especially when many of the kids are coming from environments that are THOROUGHLY unfit.
2013-08-06 01:42:14 PM
1 votes:

inner ted: ///If you have an infant or toddler, read a book to them every day.

even if it's just 'brown bear, brown bear, what do you see?"  for the 900 time cause the kid loves his brown bear brown bear ?

/dr seuss books are looooooonger than i remember when i was a kid


Yes.  But you don't have to limit them to that.  Read *TWO* books, one they want, and one they might not want.  Point to the words and the pictures.  Point to different letters.  Make a game out of it.

Then, see if they can spot the same words or letters in the store.  We had the littlebopper reading very basic stuff before kindergarten.  We'd have him sound out words.  Even a simple stop sign is an opportunity to learn (did you know it's "POTS" backwards?).

Point is, you should be educating your kids long before they ever set foot in a school.  If you wait and let the government do it for you, you've already set them back before they even get started.
2013-08-06 12:45:13 PM
1 votes:
austinmugs.com

http://austinmugs.com/mug/joshua-hill

Well, 05/31/2013 he was booked for Assault with Bodily Injury: Family Member.

No further details on the incident, doesn't look there's been a court case yet.  But a booking can be part of a reason for CPS to do a removal, and it hasn't been mentioned yet.
2013-08-06 12:33:52 PM
1 votes:

SnakeLee: Wait, no I found another article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385159/Foster-mother-beats-t o ddler-seized-biological-parents-social-services-discovered-smoking-pot .html?ito=feeds-newsxml

It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.


Almost?  I am sure plenty of parents have Almost murdered their children.  Almost is not a crime.
2013-08-06 12:26:57 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Magnanimous_J:
It just pisses me off that everytime something like this happens, people jump down CPS' throat. They are in there every day dealing with the kind of shiat you can't even imagine for a salary they could earn as an office manager at a dentist. They take farked kids out of farked homes and try to put them in the least farked place they can find with the same money the Navy spends on one can of missile paint, and they're the bad guys.

CPS placed a child with a foster parent that beat the child to death. Does the State of Texas bear part of the blame for cutting social services and slashing CPS' budget to the bare bones minimum? Sure. But that does not excuse CPS for gross negligence and failing to protect a child in their care.


You can't imagine what CPS sees every day.  What most of us would consider bad, they are forced to consider acceptable.  I feed my kids veggies, milk, grains, etc.  Most of us do.  They (CPS) are forced to accept that if a kid gets a bowl of fruity pebbles that's good enough for dinner.  They are dealing with people that shouldn't be allowed to breed.  If they tried to pull every kid that doesn't get what we/I consider normal, they'd be even more overwhelmed.  They are forced to prioritize and give their attention to the worst of the worst.  Sadly, that means sometimes bad things will happen in a situation they considered (hoped) would be good enough.  Then there is the issue of Foster Parents.  I'm sure there are a lot of good-hearted people that provide foster homes.  But I would imagine the bulk of them are assholes that do it for the money.  They probably provide just enough care to keep CPS off their backs, but use most of the money to support themselves.  Then there is the issue of sheer volume.  How many cases can one person effectively manage?  If a family knows CPS will visit on Tuesday, they put down their beer and mildly clean up the place, throw a few items in the fridge and put on a dog and pony show.  As soon as CPS leaves, they go right back to locking the kid in the closet and spending their foster paychecks on lottery tickets.  It's a farked system because those in power aren't directly affected.  Their kids have a nanny and have their ticket already punched for Harvard or Yale. Why should some millionaire that sets policies care about some poor kid that will never have any power to hurt them or theirs?  We, as a nation, also have to set priorities.  We spend trillions to safeguard our oil supply.  We can't be frivolous and spend that money to check on some hippy parents that are having parenting issues.  End of rant.  Sorry.
2013-08-06 12:10:01 PM
1 votes:
It's funny to see who has actually read the thread and who hasn't.
2013-08-06 12:04:23 PM
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Magnanimous_J:
It just pisses me off that everytime something like this happens, people jump down CPS' throat. They are in there every day dealing with the kind of shiat you can't even imagine for a salary they could earn as an office manager at a dentist. They take farked kids out of farked homes and try to put them in the least farked place they can find with the same money the Navy spends on one can of missile paint, and they're the bad guys.

CPS placed a child with a foster parent that beat the child to death. Does the State of Texas bear part of the blame for cutting social services and slashing CPS' budget to the bare bones minimum? Sure. But that does not excuse CPS for gross negligence and failing to protect a child in their care.


It seems to me that the state of Texas should bear most of the blame, for ignoring the private company's numerous violations, and allowing them to continue placing children in sketchy homes. CPS can only do what the state tells them to, and I'll guarantee you that CPS' budget is next to nil...the money is going to the various private companies that actually handle placement.

If a private company can do something more efficiently than the government, I'm all for it, but CPS is definitely NOT one of those areas, because there's too much financial incentive to turn a blind eye at the expense of a kid who can't do anything about it.
2013-08-06 11:25:46 AM
1 votes:

pmdgrwr: so can cps take your child if you were speeding in a car with the child in it? I mean speed is breaking the law and endangering a child so it would seem fitting for cps to remove a child from that situation.


Around here they've started charging child endangerment if you are intoxicated around kids...so there's that.
2013-08-06 11:15:04 AM
1 votes:
CPS should face charges of being an accomplice to child abuse and murder.
2013-08-06 11:14:40 AM
1 votes:
Our insane national policy on marijuana exists because our insane national leader President Nixon decided:

"We need, and I use the word 'all out war,' on all fronts...we have to attack on all fronts...[I want a] goddamn strong statement about marijuana...that just tears the ass out of them...Homosexuality, dope, immorality in general - these are the enemies of strong societies.  "

Why did Nixon so vehemently oppose marijuana legalization?

TEH JOOZ!!

Yep, "the Jewish cabal is out to get me" is something Nixon actually said, and actually believed. Which explains why Nixon also said this:

"You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana are Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists."
2013-08-06 11:14:25 AM
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kombat_unit: In effect, her parents help kill their child because they couldn't hide or lay off weed.

Hopefully, these 2 dumbasses don't breed again.


Hopefully you don't breed, because this had nothing to do with pot.  The tragedy resulted from the privatizing of police functions, and the venality, corruption, and incompetence that always results when that happens.
2013-08-06 11:10:52 AM
1 votes:
How come CPS loves to pull kids out of non-abusive homes over the most trivial sh*t, yet we're always hearing stories about OBVIOUSLY dangerous homes where kids are found buried in the back yard after years of torture, and CPS was all "Duh-uhhhhhhhh I know nuthin'."?
2013-08-06 11:10:23 AM
1 votes:

Wook: This is the most depressing thing I will read all day.


On the plus side, the boy is still with his mother, and he's in school now, and doing well.  We see him regularly (at least the distaffbopper and littlebopper do) because he goes to the same school as the littlebopper.  He doesn't remember staying with us because he was under 2 years old, and it was only for about a month.  So while it may have caused a bunch of heartache for his mother, I doubt it will harm him in any way.
2013-08-06 10:58:58 AM
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dittybopper: TuteTibiImperes: That's a sad story, but there seems to be some missing details.  It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust, and how did they even find out the parents were smoking pot while the child slept?  It's certainly wrong what happened to the kid in foster care, but I'm curious about what went down to have the child removed from the parents in the first place.

I'm a foster parent.  I've worked with CPS.  I've seen them pull kids based on what I would think was pretty minor stuff.

We had one placement of a 2 year old boy who was removed on suspicion of physical abuse.  Within half an hour of being in our home, we knew how he got the bruises he had:  Kid was a natural daredevil.  He liked to climb up on stuff and jump down, and he didn't mind getting hurt in the process.

You know, the natural born athlete type.

Turns out the mother's sister had a grudge of some kind against the mother of the boy, and she called CPS because she was "concerned" that there might be some physical abuse.  CPS shows up, sees the bruises, and pulls the kid immediately.  They have the power in my state to do that for up to 48 hours or so before it has to go to a family court judge.  And when you show up to that first court date, you almost certainly don't have any real evidence to dispute CPS.

Even though it was obvious to everyone, including the judge, that the mother wasn't abusing the boy, it still took her a month to get her son back, *AND* she was monitored by Social Services for a year after that.

I think CPS is predisposed to pulling kids out of homes if there is the slightest amount of evidence that supports a neglect or abuse finding, even if it's ultimately bullshiat.  That's because if it is found out that they could have done something to "save just one kid", and they didn't, there is at the very minimum a lot of bad press for them locally.

/We only do temporary "respite" care now.
//To hard to have a kid, esp ...


This is the most depressing thing I will read all day.
2013-08-06 10:54:42 AM
1 votes:
Claim pot is being blamed when it isn't, claim race is a factor when it is not, cyclist douche thread, smoking hot teacher gets a raise for saving sex with teenage boys - have we really become so predictable that we get these threads every day?
2013-08-06 10:46:54 AM
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: That's a sad story, but there seems to be some missing details.  It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust, and how did they even find out the parents were smoking pot while the child slept?  It's certainly wrong what happened to the kid in foster care, but I'm curious about what went down to have the child removed from the parents in the first place.


In Florida they will terminate your parental rights if you smoke pot around your kids.
2013-08-06 10:46:50 AM
1 votes:
The number of posters ITT who couldn't be bothered to read the article, or the comments here that provide even more clarity on the situation, is really stunning today.
2013-08-06 10:40:10 AM
1 votes:

Zasteva: Indeed. Never involve the court system in your life if you can help it. They have a huge amount of power and an extremely limited amount of information upon which to base their decisions about your life.


Seconded. Twice in my life, it was deemed that this was a good idea. Both times, I ended up in situations I barely survived.
2013-08-06 10:32:42 AM
1 votes:

SnakeLee: It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.


Is the NSA monitoring almost dropping activity now?
2013-08-06 10:06:18 AM
1 votes:

BitwiseShift: Back when GeorgeW was running for governor of Texas, he took a question from a social worker in the audience. Before that, I'd never seen a sneer like that when he heard she was a social worker.

Fast forward. You can imagine how well funded and valued any agency that might protect that little girl really is.  There's probably a tiny office of overworked CPS workers who have been crying their eyes out for days.


As they should be, they placed her with a killer
2013-08-06 09:58:23 AM
1 votes:
It takes a village. All your children are belong to us, gov knows best.
2013-08-06 09:56:03 AM
1 votes:
Back when GeorgeW was running for governor of Texas, he took a question from a social worker in the audience. Before that, I'd never seen a sneer like that when he heard she was a social worker.

Fast forward. You can imagine how well funded and valued any agency that might protect that little girl really is.  There's probably a tiny office of overworked CPS workers who have been crying their eyes out for days.
2013-08-06 09:36:33 AM
1 votes:

cwolf20: Ok farkers. According to the article, the writer can see the future.  We have almost 3 months to find the child and save her.  It's not November 2013 yet.


Fark would be so much cooler if this is what we actually did.
2013-08-06 09:26:59 AM
1 votes:
straightfresh.net


epic failure ~~ over 1 trillion wasted and counting......
2013-08-06 09:22:09 AM
1 votes:

naughtyrev: Well at least she's not going to grow up to be a pot smoker. Chalk up another win for the war on drugs.


Came here to say this.

Better DEAD than exposed to a parent that waits until you are asleep to smoke a little green!
2013-08-06 09:21:07 AM
1 votes:
dittybopper:
"Registered sexual offender" status could cover a whole lot of things that wouldn't necessarily endanger a 2 year old child.  If the guy liked to diddle little kids, it's understandable .   If he's someone who was convicted of public lewdness because he really, really had to take a piss, that's another story altogether.

well shiat, I know a guy in his 40's who got busted for having a relationship with a well developed 16 year old. He'll have to register as a sex offender once he gets out of jail but he's certainly no threat to a small child.
2013-08-06 09:11:53 AM
1 votes:
FTFA: "The two year old was then placed in an abusive foster home by a private agency contracted by Child Protective Services."

I wonder what family member or friend of a politician owns that private agency.
2013-08-06 08:58:00 AM
1 votes:
It takes a village to murder a child.
2013-08-06 08:52:49 AM
1 votes:
The war on drugs has killed more people than actual wars.
The outrageous part is that none of the bureaucrats on the state side is likely to take a fall for what they did. They'll clock in tomorrow and do it again with the best of intentions.
2013-08-06 08:52:00 AM
1 votes:
Ok farkers. According to the article, the writer can see the future.  We have almost 3 months to find the child and save her.  It's not November 2013 yet.

(Yeah, I know.  So the date's screwed up, a child is dead)
2013-08-06 08:49:51 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: If race matters to you, you shouldn't be a foster parent.


Or, Don't be a parent.
2013-08-06 08:49:02 AM
1 votes:

dukeblue219: Chummer45: And the saddest part is, this kind of overzealous bullshiat - where the authorities ruin someone's life because they smoked a joint - goes on all the time.

Maybe read the other comments to see the full story. This wasn't about some wonderful parents who happened to smoke a joint from time to time.

// Still tragic...


Yeah, comparatively speaking, let's ask Alexandria how wonderful they were.  Oh, wait.

/Also, literally everyone who has ever handled babies for more than a few days of time has dropped one
//you dust them off quickly, go 'haha, babies, they cry over anything' when the wrath of god peers into the room suspiciously, then spend a few hours staring at the spot that made contact and hyperventilating over whether there is a bump showing or if you just ruined her chances of Harvard
2013-08-06 08:48:59 AM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: SnakeLee: Wait, no I found another article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385159/Foster-mother-beats-t o ddler-seized-biological-parents-social-services-discovered-smoking-pot .html?ito=feeds-newsxml

It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.

Good find. That article also says that the family voluntarily sent the kid to foster care until they could get their lives in order, and that the parents are not living together. I would guess the mom has major depression or bipolar disorder if she's safe around adults, but not small children.


i would guess you don't know a lot about depression or bipolar disorder.
2013-08-06 08:43:52 AM
1 votes:
foster kid wants to know why CPS isn't being charged with any crime
5 minutes alone should be plenty
plenty
2013-08-06 08:42:57 AM
1 votes:

Chummer45: And the saddest part is, this kind of overzealous bullshiat - where the authorities ruin someone's life because they smoked a joint - goes on all the time.


Maybe read the other comments to see the full story. This wasn't about some wonderful parents who happened to smoke a joint from time to time.

// Still tragic...
2013-08-06 08:42:05 AM
1 votes:

dittybopper: /We only do temporary "respite" care now.


Thanks for that!

You ever take your kids out to field days and the like?

/The system needs more good families.
//Can imagine that being placed with dittybopper results in an automatic paperwork filing for a class 2 operators licence, mandatory key test.
2013-08-06 08:38:58 AM
1 votes:
Oh, Round Rock. That's Williamson county. Known for being extra tough on crime. Still, I would like to believe there is more to the story, but it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't.
2013-08-06 08:32:49 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: hmmm:

The parents, who are not together, handed Alexandria to Hill's mother to care for - until the state intervened on November 26th.
According to the Department of Family and Protective Services, the family disagreed who should take custody of the girl and decided to involve the CPS themselves - until both mom and dad got their lives in order.

big mistake there.


A better option would have been to find a relative to take care of the child temporarily.  The local department of Social Services can do that, placing the kid with a relative on a temporary basis until they are certified for foster care, after a quick criminal background check and a home inspection.

That assumes a relative willing and able to take the kid.

/In NYS, at least.
2013-08-06 08:24:56 AM
1 votes:
hmmm:

The parents, who are not together, handed Alexandria to Hill's mother to care for - until the state intervened on November 26th.
According to the Department of Family and Protective Services, the family disagreed who should take custody of the girl and decided to involve the CPS themselves - until both mom and dad got their lives in order.


big mistake there.
2013-08-06 05:45:59 AM
1 votes:
Weed takes another innocent life.
 
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