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(Opposing Views)   Alexandria Hill, 2, was removed from her parents' home last November because they smoked pot while she was asleep. Alexandria was shipped off to two abusive foster homes and died at the hands of her 2nd foster mom, who is now charged with murder   (opposingviews.com) divider line 184
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2013-08-06 02:59:14 PM

Loreweaver: It's the one thing I still have issues with when it comes to my relationship with my mom. I love her dearly


You are a bigger man than I. She would be dead to me if she was my mother.
 
2013-08-06 03:11:34 PM

vudukungfu: Ought to dig up Nancy Reagan and kick her corpse.


heh.  you had me going for a moment.
 
2013-08-06 03:18:19 PM

mod3072: HotWingAgenda: SnakeLee: Wait, no I found another article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385159/Foster-mother-beats-t o ddler-seized-biological-parents-social-services-discovered-smoking-pot .html?ito=feeds-newsxml

It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.

Good find. That article also says that the family voluntarily sent the kid to foster care until they could get their lives in order, and that the parents are not living together. I would guess the mom has major depression or bipolar disorder if she's safe around adults, but not small children.

I was just about to rage-splooge when you had to come along like a wet towel and put out the outrage!! Asshole.

In all seriousness though, the disturbing part about this story (other than the dead child, of course) is how Texas relies on private agencies to run their foster care system. Obviously no system is ever perfect and bad foster parents are always going to get through, but handing that responsibility over to someone who is motivated by profit seems like a recipe for disaster.


It's not just Texas. Private foster care agencies are the standard in California and i would assume many other states as well.
 
2013-08-06 03:26:31 PM

umad: Loreweaver: It's the one thing I still have issues with when it comes to my relationship with my mom. I love her dearly

You are a bigger man than I. She would be dead to me if she was my mother.


Well, keep in mind she was as much a victim as we were, often taking the brunt of my step-fathers' rage in our stead. And, she has always been there for me and my siblings.

As an adult, I now understand a lot of why it was so hard for her to leave these men. However, a part of me still rages at the thought that she could have gotten out of those relationships sooner, if for no other reason than to protect us kids. Back then, i just could not understand how my mom couldn't see what my 3rd stepfather truly was, when it was so obvious to me the bitterness and arrogance he tried to keep hidden.
 
2013-08-06 03:27:06 PM
I'm all for pot legalization and people can smoke 'em if they got 'em. I just wish we'd get rid of weed culture. If it stops being taboo, then it could simmer down.
 
2013-08-06 03:35:00 PM

Oznog: [austinmugs.com image 480x600]

http://austinmugs.com/mug/joshua-hill

Well, 05/31/2013 he was booked for Assault with Bodily Injury: Family Member.

No further details on the incident, doesn't look there's been a court case yet.  But a booking can be part of a reason for CPS to do a removal, and it hasn't been mentioned yet.


Pay closer attention to the dates. This was more likely the result of his anger at his family for involving CPS, and the things that were happening to his daughter in foster care.
 
2013-08-06 03:39:01 PM

toetag: dittybopper: FTFA:
Police say Mrs. Small said she wanted to foster more children to earn extra income.

That is exactly 180 degrees the *WRONG* reason to do foster care.

My Ex-Sister-In-law did this.  She spent money like her and her husband were millionaires.  Constantly deep in debt.  She decided to start taking in foster and special needs kids to make extra money.  At thanksgiving one year, one of the boys, in a wheelchair, limited motor skills, could barely manipulate a fork, dropped a bean off the fork on to the floor. She went ape shiat on the kid.  I stood up, dropped my whole plate on the floor and said "Yell at me, I dare you."

I should have done more but i was relatively new to the family and it was thanksgiving. She is out of the system now.


I'm loving you so much right now. People underestimate how powerful small acts of courage and heroism like this are in changing mindsets, and ultimately the world. You're awesome.
 
2013-08-06 03:40:17 PM
Regardless of what really lead to this child being removed from the home, I hope it makes some of the more vehement Judge And Jury Posters rethink their kneejerk reaction to every "bad parent" story being "SOMEONE NEEDS TO TAKE THEIR KIDS AWAY".  Admittedly, not every child removed from the home ends up murdered or abused, but bouncing kids around from house to house every time someone makes a mistake results in a child with no sense of roots/stability/family/structure.

Admittedly, before I had a child I was all too happy to judge every parent I saw "doing it wrong" and was certainly one to stand up and scream "TAKE HER KIDS AWAY". But at this point in my life I've realized that sometimes the child herself is what it takes for a wayward adult to make big changes in their life (I sought treatment for my depression and addictions) and that love and inspiration builds upon itself, making the parents better people and better parents.

Which isn't to say there's never a case when a child should be removed, but I think a lot of people like to look in from the outside and drop the hammer, not thinking of the long term consequences.
 
2013-08-06 03:47:47 PM

ferretman: [Imaga of smiling Obama]
"This could not have been my daughter."


Don't you go giving the Republican Party ideas now...
 
2013-08-06 03:50:24 PM
The Aristocrats!
 
2013-08-06 03:59:16 PM
Do you know the way to Mordor

Don't you go giving the Republican Party ideas now...
The DNC (not RNC)is the big supporter of CPS. But keep banging that dumb...errr drumb.
 
2013-08-06 04:12:44 PM

OnlyM3: The DNC (not RNC)is the big supporter of CPS. But keep banging that dumb...errr drumb.


The thing is, this is technically not CPS fault, their work was outsourced to a private company who failed time and time again, according to their violation record...but I guess the state ignored it because it looked better on the bottom line. That flat-out sucks, no matter which party you're defending.
 
2013-08-06 04:13:15 PM

Trance354: Naesen: LowbrowDeluxe: dukeblue219: Chummer45: And the saddest part is, this kind of overzealous bullshiat - where the authorities ruin someone's life because they smoked a joint - goes on all the time.

Maybe read the other comments to see the full story. This wasn't about some wonderful parents who happened to smoke a joint from time to time.

// Still tragic...

Yeah, comparatively speaking, let's ask Alexandria how wonderful they were.  Oh, wait.

/Also, literally everyone who has ever handled babies for more than a few days of time has dropped one
//you dust them off quickly, go 'haha, babies, they cry over anything' when the wrath of god peers into the room suspiciously, then spend a few hours staring at the spot that made contact and hyperventilating over whether there is a bump showing or if you just ruined her chances of Harvard

Babies, much like kittens, bounce.

Kittens don't bounce.  They do tend to land on their feet when a toddler drops them, even if said drop is from as little as a foot up.  Their legs are splayed, but they are on their feet when they land.  Parents, siblings, and child-blessed friends say I have the perfect hands for holding munchkins.  These paws are huge, so they balance just right; baby's head sitting in the palm of one hand, butt in the other, feet between my fingers.  I don't mind taking over holding duties anytime. cousin lives about 4 blocks away, so i'm hoping to get some practice in when his wife gives birth.

/would like one of my own, but the woman hasn't come along yet...
//stop dropping the kitten, Connor


See you'd think that. My woman fosters semi-feral to feral cats and kittens to get them people-ready. The last batch of kittens had this habit of flopping down the stairs with enough momentum to make it appear accidental. Unharmed, but not really controlled. The only trouble was the stairs were at least 1.5x the length of these furry squeaking things, so, as the household scientician, I reviewed the data and came to the conclusion that kittens must bounce.
 
2013-08-06 04:29:52 PM

LowbrowDeluxe: /Also, literally everyone who has ever handled babies for more than a few days of time has dropped one


Uhhh.... no.
 
2013-08-06 04:37:30 PM
Of course pot smoking parents are still a threat to their kids.

http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=218299801&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10 22 2
 
2013-08-06 04:44:22 PM

TuteTibiImperes: It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust


Hah.

Bahahaha.

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Clearly you have no clue how this country works or how severe the brainwashing has become.
 
2013-08-06 05:12:55 PM

dittybopper: SnakeLee: It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.

Meh.  I actually dropped the littlebopper when he was a toddler, and the distaffbopper dropped him as an infant.  He's in the gifted program at school.  Neither of us do illegal drugs, and we rarely drink.

/Don't think we drank at all when he was that age.
//Did read to him every farking day from the time he could sit up to the time he could read to us.
///If you have an infant or toddler, read a book to them every day.


Second that on the reading...

Both my kids have tried to just 'step out' of my arms when they saw something they wanted, never realizing that the floor is going to hurt when they hit it.
 
2013-08-06 05:18:36 PM

naughtyrev: TuteTibiImperes: That's a sad story, but there seems to be some missing details.  It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust, and how did they even find out the parents were smoking pot while the child slept?  It's certainly wrong what happened to the kid in foster care, but I'm curious about what went down to have the child removed from the parents in the first place.

Yeah, I have to agree with that. At face value this one doesn't quite pass the sniff test.


You obviously don't live in Texas I've had friends have their kids "taken up" for less. Like it matters anyway stoopud layz potheds shouldn't have kinds anyway. People like you make me barf.
 
2013-08-06 05:24:36 PM

inner ted: does it count that he can already hold the xbox mote properly and can kinda drive (not really - just rams into a wall and burns out the engine holding down the throttle) in my racing game?

/he just turned 2



Sounds like good parenting to me....
Some might judge and get all uppity about 'video games.. the boy should be outside', but really, it doesn't matter what you do with your kids, as long as you're doing something with your kids.
 
2013-08-06 05:36:21 PM

offmymeds: Phoenix87ta: So is it just me, or is this rag's entire shtick based around the omission of all the important details in order to work their readers into a frothy rage?

Bingo.


People who are sooner worked into a frothy rage by TFA than by what actually happened need to take a look at their priorities. What an avalanche of fail in this story, rounded off with the death of a toddler.

Judging by many of the reactions in this thread, those who feel strongly about pot (one way or the other) are idiots. Far more important is that the child was put with people who foster to earn extra income.
 
2013-08-06 05:45:13 PM

ScaryBottles: naughtyrev: TuteTibiImperes: That's a sad story, but there seems to be some missing details.  It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust, and how did they even find out the parents were smoking pot while the child slept?  It's certainly wrong what happened to the kid in foster care, but I'm curious about what went down to have the child removed from the parents in the first place.

Yeah, I have to agree with that. At face value this one doesn't quite pass the sniff test.

You obviously don't live in Texas I've had friends have their kids "taken up" for less. Like it matters anyway stoopud layz potheds shouldn't have kinds anyway. People like you make me barf.


Wow. You need to control that rage, chief. You need to go back and take a look at the Boobies in the thread, where you will note my sarcastic derision for the war on drugs.
 
2013-08-06 05:50:30 PM
You know how rape is "surprise sex"?  Well, this seems to be a byproduct of "surprise adoption".  Authoritophiles who fap off to the thought of people being jailed or losing their children for smoking a joint or jaywalking, spitting on the sidewalk notwithstanding (see above), no one deserves to lose their kids over something like this.  This is the revival of CORRUPT and EVIL early-to-mid-20th-C. adoption practices which tore the children of the poor and gave them to the rich; including brothel owners, pedophiles or anyone with disposable income and the ear of a judge, cop etc.

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2013-08-06 05:57:08 PM
I think subby might want to quit submitting "Let me tell you 10% of the story so as to make a political statement even though it involves the death of a child" headlines.
 
2013-08-06 06:19:43 PM

TuteTibiImperes: That's a sad story, but there seems to be some missing details.  It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust, and how did they even find out the parents were smoking pot while the child slept?  It's certainly wrong what happened to the kid in foster care, but I'm curious about what went down to have the child removed from the parents in the first place.


I see where you're going however sometimes things are exactly what they are. For all we know maybe they smoked in their back porch and their nosy old neighbor called CPS on them... and when CPS showed up maybe they mouthed off to the agent (I would to) etc... at the end of the day it boils down to human to human interaction. One party got butthurt and decided to 'show em who's boss'.
While there could be more to the story like you said it's entirely possible there could also be none at all. Sometimes things are just that FARK up like that is this country.
 
2013-08-06 06:23:36 PM

The Voice of Doom: TFA While the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services (DFPS) removes children such as Alexandria from their homes, they leave it up private agencies to do background checks on all foster homes.

Handing that job over to someone who has an incentive to do it fast and cheap sounds like a great idea.


And here is he first person to hit on the gold-plated turd in the punchbowl. Texas (& Williamson County especially) politicians have been privatizing every service agency they possibly can for the last 15 years in the name of tax cuts and free market efficiency. Usually to the lowest bidders who can put the most cash into their back pockets through campaign donations & kickbacks. Gov. Oops is one of the kings of this policy, & the heir apparent, Dewhurst, is Perry with more animal cunning.

The private agencies in charge of welfare programs are often fly-by-night scam artists with an LLC. At best, they're running a year or more backlog on their ability to process cases like this. And instead of civil servants who got into this line of work so they can try and help others, the workers are usually wage-slaves in centralized call-centers who are just punching numbers into a screen all week long.

But hey, that's what happens when you elect politicians who believe all government is bad. You get an all-bad government.
 
2013-08-06 06:35:30 PM

ScaryBottles: You obviously don't live in Texas I've had friends have their kids "taken up" for less.


Or, what you know about your friends and the story the tell you makes you believe that, when in truth CPS had reason to believe your buddy from the bar was buggering his darling little boy, or they found suspicious burn marks on his beautiful little girl.

Someone is unknowingly friends with all those child abusers.   What makes you think you'd know if one of your friends was abusive?
 
2013-08-06 06:44:28 PM
why are all these stories either CPS ripped a kid away from their family for no real reason, or CPS sits on it's hands and does nothing and a kid dies. I don't think I would like the job. it's lose-lose.
 
2013-08-06 07:31:35 PM

if_i_really_have_to: ScaryBottles: You obviously don't live in Texas I've had friends have their kids "taken up" for less.

Or, what you know about your friends and the story the tell you makes you believe that, when in truth CPS had reason to believe your buddy from the bar was buggering his darling little boy, or they found suspicious burn marks on his beautiful little girl.

Someone is unknowingly friends with all those child abusers.   What makes you think you'd know if one of your friends was abusive?


Wow did I inadvertently unlock a suppressed memory dude?

Besides I've seen it happen unjustly to people who I wouldn't piss in their mouth if their teeth were on fire. Its farked up either way. Also there are dozens of stories every year about the overreach of Texas's CPS. Also look up how many times the DPH and CPS in this state have been successfully sued in cases just like this. But like facts matter to a worthless shiatstain like you. Just because daddy tucked you in a little too tight doesn't mean any adult male within 50 yards of a minor will molest them.

So now that I've wasted perfectly good logic on a retard let me apologize to the guy who's head I bit off. I get bent out of shape too easily when it comes to these matters I guess.

/Spent a few weeks in a foster home as a teenager just because I ditched school a couple of times. Okay more like 45-50 but still my parents did everything short of binding me hand and foot and tossing out of the car in front of my teacher to get me to go. However that didn't save them from having to essentially pay like over 7g's in fines and court costs to just get my no good little ass back. They got screwed.
 
2013-08-06 09:59:00 PM
She has a major depressive disorder and he is physically abusive, the pot is really not the high note of this situation.  Still, this illustrates that, much like calling the police, the solution can often be worse than the disease.
 
2013-08-06 10:55:39 PM
Stoners. Heh.

Feel bad for the little girl, though. Better place now and all that, right?
 
2013-08-06 11:29:33 PM
Ahh Foster Homes... or as I call them, Monster Factories.
 
2013-08-07 10:11:32 AM

bigbobowski: why are all these stories either CPS ripped a kid away from their family for no real reason, or CPS sits on it's hands and does nothing and a kid dies.


But you usually don't see CPS do both to the same kid like in TFA. They must have been eating their Wheaties and felt like over-achieving.

That is like twice as effective as they usually are!
 
2013-08-07 10:34:39 AM

Zasteva: SlothB77: hmmm:

The parents, who are not together, handed Alexandria to Hill's mother to care for - until the state intervened on November 26th.
According to the Department of Family and Protective Services, the family disagreed who should take custody of the girl and decided to involve the CPS themselves - until both mom and dad got their lives in order.

big mistake there.

Indeed. Never involve the court system in your life if you can help it. They have a huge amount of power and an extremely limited amount of information upon which to base their decisions about your life.


THIS.  I have lived with no child support from my ex for the last 15 years, simply because I REFUSE to open that can of worms.  I was a social worker and I know first-hand what kind of troubles you're in for if you allow 'the state' into your lives.
 
2013-08-07 08:32:31 PM
CPS isnt going to get a bigger budget for next year by keeping kids in the home with their parents.
 
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