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(Opposing Views)   Alexandria Hill, 2, was removed from her parents' home last November because they smoked pot while she was asleep. Alexandria was shipped off to two abusive foster homes and died at the hands of her 2nd foster mom, who is now charged with murder   (opposingviews.com) divider line 184
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2013-08-06 09:04:24 AM  
I have a feeling there is no one involved with this story that you would want to invite to a dinner party, even if the one guy will bring weed.
 
2013-08-06 09:06:40 AM  
So the moral is something like, Don't break the law or your kid might get taken away and end up in foster care and might end up with an abusive caregiver and might even be killed?
 
2013-08-06 09:08:48 AM  
Hi pete....again
 
2013-08-06 09:11:07 AM  
Where's our CPS farker?

Another notch in his "success" belt.
 
2013-08-06 09:11:18 AM  

gfid: Here's another one with more details:

http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId=218435991&fPath=/news/local/ &f Domain=10232


FTFA:
Police say Mrs. Small said she wanted to foster more children to earn extra income.

That is exactly 180 degrees the *WRONG* reason to do foster care.

Also FTFA:

The state also said he could not allow Alex to live with him at his parents because the "paternal grandfather is a registered sexual offender," for an offense that happened more than 20 years ago.

"Registered sexual offender" status could cover a whole lot of things that wouldn't necessarily endanger a 2 year old child.  If the guy liked to diddle little kids, it's understandable .   If he's someone who was convicted of public lewdness because he really, really had to take a piss, that's another story altogether.
 
2013-08-06 09:11:53 AM  
FTFA: "The two year old was then placed in an abusive foster home by a private agency contracted by Child Protective Services."

I wonder what family member or friend of a politician owns that private agency.
 
2013-08-06 09:12:54 AM  

SnakeLee: naughtyrev: Yeah, I have to agree with that. At face value this one doesn't quite pass the sniff test.

Keep in mind that this happened in Texas


which explains the poorly funded CPS and child abuse
 
2013-08-06 09:18:09 AM  

RickN99: HotWingAgenda: SnakeLee: Wait, no I found another article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385159/Foster-mother-beats-t o ddler-seized-biological-parents-social-services-discovered-smoking-pot .html?ito=feeds-newsxml

It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.

Good find. That article also says that the family voluntarily sent the kid to foster care until they could get their lives in order, and that the parents are not living together. I would guess the mom has major depression or bipolar disorder if she's safe around adults, but not small children.

So, the government agents did not forcibly remove the child from the pot smokers.  The pot smokers called the government agents and offered them their child.



And more to the point, the pot smoking wasn't the reason they gave up their child to someone else's care.  It was more like both their lives were in a shambles for numerous reasons and they felt like they couldn't take care of it.

/but that won't make one iota of difference in this thread.  because POT!
 
2013-08-06 09:21:07 AM  
dittybopper:
"Registered sexual offender" status could cover a whole lot of things that wouldn't necessarily endanger a 2 year old child.  If the guy liked to diddle little kids, it's understandable .   If he's someone who was convicted of public lewdness because he really, really had to take a piss, that's another story altogether.

well shiat, I know a guy in his 40's who got busted for having a relationship with a well developed 16 year old. He'll have to register as a sex offender once he gets out of jail but he's certainly no threat to a small child.
 
2013-08-06 09:22:09 AM  

naughtyrev: Well at least she's not going to grow up to be a pot smoker. Chalk up another win for the war on drugs.


Came here to say this.

Better DEAD than exposed to a parent that waits until you are asleep to smoke a little green!
 
2013-08-06 09:22:35 AM  

Turfshoe: FTFA: "The two year old was then placed in an abusive foster home by a private agency contracted by Child Protective Services."

I wonder what family member or friend of a politician owns that private agency.


The same one that owns the prison. Probably has some stock in a drug testing company too.
 
2013-08-06 09:26:59 AM  
straightfresh.net


epic failure ~~ over 1 trillion wasted and counting......
 
2013-08-06 09:27:18 AM  
It's awful how drug abuse tears families apart, and even a "soft drug" marijuana can have fatal consequences.
 
2013-08-06 09:30:17 AM  
While the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services (DFPS) removes children such as Alexandria from their homes, they leave it up private agencies to do background checks on all foster homes.

Why don't we have a Texas tag?
 
2013-08-06 09:35:41 AM  
Well that'll teach her, won't it.
 
2013-08-06 09:36:33 AM  

cwolf20: Ok farkers. According to the article, the writer can see the future.  We have almost 3 months to find the child and save her.  It's not November 2013 yet.


Fark would be so much cooler if this is what we actually did.
 
2013-08-06 09:36:56 AM  
Drugs kill.
 
2013-08-06 09:38:11 AM  
But name your kid Adolf...and all hell breaks loose...
 
2013-08-06 09:38:12 AM  
Very sad story and I choked up. But when I heard the TV reporter's voice crack at the end of the segment, I just lost it.
 
2013-08-06 09:38:18 AM  
This is outrageous, government agents serving a no-knock warrant and abducting a loving couple's little girl all because they choose to medicate with a plant instead of Big Pharm? And then the girl dies? The parents should sue the Feds
 
2013-08-06 09:42:41 AM  

StrangeQ: naughtyrev: TuteTibiImperes: That's a sad story, but there seems to be some missing details.  It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust, and how did they even find out the parents were smoking pot while the child slept?  It's certainly wrong what happened to the kid in foster care, but I'm curious about what went down to have the child removed from the parents in the first place.

Yeah, I have to agree with that. At face value this one doesn't quite pass the sniff test.

Yeah, it's completely unheard of for CPS to overstep their bounds and declare themselves sole arbiters of who is right and wrong when concerning making decisicions for the welfare of a child.


Welp, you're gonna be embarassed once you scroll up.
 
2013-08-06 09:52:56 AM  

dittybopper: I think CPS is predisposed to pulling kids out of homes if there is the slightest amount of evidence that supports a neglect or abuse finding, even if it's ultimately bullshiat. That's because if it is found out that they could have done something to "save just one kid", and they didn't, there is at the very minimum a lot of bad press for them locally.


It actually depends on the area, mostly, and whether or not the system can support a number of children. I've heard of a number of cases where neglect means not having enough "enrichment" and having threadbare clothes meanwhile in another county if a kid has access to white bread and mayonnaise then he's fine right where he is.
 
2013-08-06 09:56:03 AM  
Back when GeorgeW was running for governor of Texas, he took a question from a social worker in the audience. Before that, I'd never seen a sneer like that when he heard she was a social worker.

Fast forward. You can imagine how well funded and valued any agency that might protect that little girl really is.  There's probably a tiny office of overworked CPS workers who have been crying their eyes out for days.
 
2013-08-06 09:58:23 AM  
It takes a village. All your children are belong to us, gov knows best.
 
2013-08-06 09:59:04 AM  
Even without the full story, all the background details, etc, it seems that pretty much everybody in this little girl's life failed her at some point.

Sad.
 
2013-08-06 10:01:54 AM  
War on Terrorism: Third world kid dies in drone strike? Eh, collateral damage happens in war.

War on Drugs: American kid dies. ZOMG! Injustice!!!
 
2013-08-06 10:06:18 AM  

BitwiseShift: Back when GeorgeW was running for governor of Texas, he took a question from a social worker in the audience. Before that, I'd never seen a sneer like that when he heard she was a social worker.

Fast forward. You can imagine how well funded and valued any agency that might protect that little girl really is.  There's probably a tiny office of overworked CPS workers who have been crying their eyes out for days.


As they should be, they placed her with a killer
 
2013-08-06 10:07:38 AM  
I actually know someone who used to be a family law lawyer in Texas. They don't usually pull kids out of homes for no good reason - they know they don't have the resources to deal with anything but the worst cases as CPS is poorly funded and there aren't enough foster homes for all the kids. There's actually a legally mandated 18 month time limit to either put the kids back with a parent, or get them a permanent placement somewhere else. That's in contrast to an extended family member of mine who had their kids pulled out of their home in another state because a kid had a bad reaction to legally prescribed and doctor recommended medication (not mental health related) and then found out the state could keep the kids in limbo as long as they felt like it. (They got their kids back and last I heard are trying to sue the state). CPS is better funded there and there's plenty of nice foster homes. Double edged sword, huh?
 
2013-08-06 10:10:20 AM  
All of the medical marijuana 'patients' will be forced to give up their firearms, as they are breaking federal law by using marijuana.
 
2013-08-06 10:14:28 AM  
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2013-08-06 10:16:40 AM  
 Because here in the south they just kill your children when they catch you smoking pot.
 
2013-08-06 10:16:58 AM  

Voiceofreason01: dittybopper:
"Registered sexual offender" status could cover a whole lot of things that wouldn't necessarily endanger a 2 year old child.  If the guy liked to diddle little kids, it's understandable .   If he's someone who was convicted of public lewdness because he really, really had to take a piss, that's another story altogether.

well shiat, I know a guy in his 40's who got busted for having a relationship with a well developed 16 year old. He'll have to register as a sex offender once he gets out of jail but he's certainly no threat to a small child.


Only if its a well developed 6 year old.
 
2013-08-06 10:17:54 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: And more to the point, the pot smoking wasn't the reason they gave up their child to someone else's care. It was more like both their lives were in a shambles for numerous reasons and they felt like they couldn't take care of it.

/but that won't make one iota of difference in this thread. because POT!


This.

/smoke responsibly
//drink responsibly
///common sense innit?
 
2013-08-06 10:23:16 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-06 10:29:34 AM  

dittybopper: pmdgrwr: so can cps take your child if you were speeding in a car with the child in it? I mean speed is breaking the law and endangering a child so it would seem fitting for cps to remove a child from that situation.

For 10 or 20 MPH over the limit?  Doubt it.

Going 130 MPH?  Maybe.  Especially if it's a young kid and not in a car seat.


They should place the kid with a Formula 1 driver if he can handle a car at those speeds. Child prodigy.
 
2013-08-06 10:32:42 AM  

SnakeLee: It says: According to court records, Alexandria's mother has a medical condition that does not allow her to be left alone with her own child and Hill's marijuana use had become so bad he almost dropped his daughter down the stairs.


Is the NSA monitoring almost dropping activity now?
 
2013-08-06 10:32:55 AM  

mikeray: Voiceofreason01: dittybopper:
"Registered sexual offender" status could cover a whole lot of things that wouldn't necessarily endanger a 2 year old child.  If the guy liked to diddle little kids, it's understandable .   If he's someone who was convicted of public lewdness because he really, really had to take a piss, that's another story altogether.

well shiat, I know a guy in his 40's who got busted for having a relationship with a well developed 16 year old. He'll have to register as a sex offender once he gets out of jail but he's certainly no threat to a small child.

Only if its a well developed 6 year old.


Sick as it is, it has happened:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

Youngest on record was 5 years, 7 months old when she gave birth.
 
2013-08-06 10:35:51 AM  
In effect, her parents help kill their child because they couldn't hide or lay off weed.

Hopefully, these 2 dumbasses don't breed again.
 
2013-08-06 10:37:27 AM  
It's nice to see that pot actually has nothing to do with this particular story.  I'm amused that's what everyone latched on to, instead of the obvious failures of the foster care system.

As an incidental aside, if you're not smart enough to do something that's illegal without getting caught, then you're not smart enough to be doing it at all in the first place - regardless of whether you think it should be legal or not.  It's like a tattoo on the neck, back of hands, face, or other hard-to-miss area.  It is proof that you have a severe lack of judgement because you know, in advance, that it will severely limit your employment opportunities.  These actions in themselves may not be a big deal, but they show this lack of common sense or intelligence.
 
2013-08-06 10:40:10 AM  

Zasteva: Indeed. Never involve the court system in your life if you can help it. They have a huge amount of power and an extremely limited amount of information upon which to base their decisions about your life.


Seconded. Twice in my life, it was deemed that this was a good idea. Both times, I ended up in situations I barely survived.
 
2013-08-06 10:40:54 AM  
Hooray for government interference! Hooray for intrusive government agencies! Government is always right! Government can always be trusted! Only extremist right-wing lunatics could refuse to cheer heartily for this agency and the outcome!
 
2013-08-06 10:46:50 AM  
The number of posters ITT who couldn't be bothered to read the article, or the comments here that provide even more clarity on the situation, is really stunning today.
 
2013-08-06 10:46:54 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: That's a sad story, but there seems to be some missing details.  It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust, and how did they even find out the parents were smoking pot while the child slept?  It's certainly wrong what happened to the kid in foster care, but I'm curious about what went down to have the child removed from the parents in the first place.


In Florida they will terminate your parental rights if you smoke pot around your kids.
 
2013-08-06 10:49:24 AM  

vudukungfu: Ought to dig up Nancy Reagan and kick her corpse.


i.imgflip.com

/Made this before I saw your handle.  I assume you're joking.
//If not, you really HAVE smoked yourself retarded.
 
2013-08-06 10:54:42 AM  
Claim pot is being blamed when it isn't, claim race is a factor when it is not, cyclist douche thread, smoking hot teacher gets a raise for saving sex with teenage boys - have we really become so predictable that we get these threads every day?
 
2013-08-06 10:56:45 AM  
"saving sex" = having... I should know by now that my typing has become so pure muscle-memory that I need to "preview" anything and everything I type when there's no edit function.  So farking annoying.
 
2013-08-06 10:57:25 AM  
This has precious little to do with weed as much as it has to do with privatizing  juveniles for human services, and walks arm in arm with abuse and neglect laden private contracting system in texass.

From prisons, bail bonders, to CPS and foster care, the state is riddled with corruption and limited to no oversight, basically anything that could stand in the way of profits or increase cost tot he state will be severely checked and monitored to the point of impotence, allowing contractors to perform their duties at will and as they see fit regardless of safety or human rights violations.

Don't be poor in Texass...   if you are, stay the hell out of trouble and the state governments pockets because they will not let you go...   not without taking everything you have, and possibly ever have if they can help it.

It seems the story is also not one of just finding out dude smoked in the house but has a bit more dpeth. Still the actual problem is the state, how it conducts its business and how it fails to truly oversee its contractors or apply punitive corrections to faulty contractors.
 
2013-08-06 10:58:58 AM  

dittybopper: TuteTibiImperes: That's a sad story, but there seems to be some missing details.  It seems very extreme that CPS would remove a child from the parents' care because of one pot bust, and how did they even find out the parents were smoking pot while the child slept?  It's certainly wrong what happened to the kid in foster care, but I'm curious about what went down to have the child removed from the parents in the first place.

I'm a foster parent.  I've worked with CPS.  I've seen them pull kids based on what I would think was pretty minor stuff.

We had one placement of a 2 year old boy who was removed on suspicion of physical abuse.  Within half an hour of being in our home, we knew how he got the bruises he had:  Kid was a natural daredevil.  He liked to climb up on stuff and jump down, and he didn't mind getting hurt in the process.

You know, the natural born athlete type.

Turns out the mother's sister had a grudge of some kind against the mother of the boy, and she called CPS because she was "concerned" that there might be some physical abuse.  CPS shows up, sees the bruises, and pulls the kid immediately.  They have the power in my state to do that for up to 48 hours or so before it has to go to a family court judge.  And when you show up to that first court date, you almost certainly don't have any real evidence to dispute CPS.

Even though it was obvious to everyone, including the judge, that the mother wasn't abusing the boy, it still took her a month to get her son back, *AND* she was monitored by Social Services for a year after that.

I think CPS is predisposed to pulling kids out of homes if there is the slightest amount of evidence that supports a neglect or abuse finding, even if it's ultimately bullshiat.  That's because if it is found out that they could have done something to "save just one kid", and they didn't, there is at the very minimum a lot of bad press for them locally.

/We only do temporary "respite" care now.
//To hard to have a kid, esp ...


This is the most depressing thing I will read all day.
 
2013-08-06 11:00:12 AM  

sdkOyOte: This has precious little to do with weed as much as it has to do with privatizing  juveniles for human services, and walks arm in arm with abuse and neglect laden private contracting system in texass.

From prisons, bail bonders, to CPS and foster care, the state is riddled with corruption and limited to no oversight, basically anything that could stand in the way of profits or increase cost tot he state will be severely checked and monitored to the point of impotence, allowing contractors to perform their duties at will and as they see fit regardless of safety or human rights violations.

Don't be poor in Texass...   if you are, stay the hell out of trouble and the state governments pockets because they will not let you go...   not without taking everything you have, and possibly ever have if they can help it.

It seems the story is also not one of just finding out dude smoked in the house but has a bit more dpeth. Still the actual problem is the state, how it conducts its business and how it fails to truly oversee its contractors or apply punitive corrections to faulty contractors.


Pretty much. Welcome to the capitalist paradise.
 
2013-08-06 11:08:37 AM  
There's far too many comments focusing on pot and not enough comments focusing on the fact that this little girl had been placed with an abusive family twice.

As many noted previously - the pot wasn't the sole reason for removing the little girl. There appears to be legitimate reasons supported by the parents.

The issue is the sad frequency of abuse. Awhile ago,I read an article about how easy it is to sell foster kids if there's little chance of a parent returning to the picture. The article ended with statistics on how many foster children disappear each year.
 
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