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(Deadline)   Fresh off the disaster that was Jack Reacher, Christopher McQuarrie's career suicide continues with Mission Impossible 5   (deadline.com) divider line 136
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2013-08-05 08:34:52 PM
I have no say, but *I*'d vote for this headline...
 
2013-08-05 08:55:36 PM
Why is he just directing and not writing as well?
 
2013-08-05 09:03:11 PM
Next up: Jack Reacher II: Reacher Around
 
2013-08-05 09:04:09 PM
I enjoyed Jack Reacher.  So did my friends who saw it.
 
2013-08-06 12:33:54 AM

clancifer: I enjoyed Jack Reacher.  So did my friends who saw it.


Me too. It was just an action movie. I'm not sure what people expected.
 
2013-08-06 12:42:43 AM

clancifer: I enjoyed Jack Reacher.  So did my friends who saw it.


It was a proper Lee Child adaptation.  It failed because it came out right after the Newton shooting and the movie opens with an extended mass shooting scene.  Otherwise, they got it right.

I thought it would suck because Cruise is just about ten feet shorter than Jack Reacher is described in the books, but he pulled off the idea.  Before the first big fight scene when Cruise says "Remember, you wanted this" - he's not being smug because he knows he'll win the fight, he's regretful because he's doing something that is going to hurt people - again.

Cruise sold all of that in that with his expression and delivery, which helped carry the next scene where a short 50 year old man takes out six teenage attackers without any problem.

I don't give a fark how crazy that man is, he's a workingman's actor, and he's great at it.  He may never win another oscar, but he's 10 times better than every other headliner out there.
 
2013-08-06 12:44:37 AM

Actual Farking: I'm not sure what people expected.


Perhaps they expected something remotely related to the character from the books and not a midget playing a tough guy?

/haven't actually seen the movie, so take my guess with a grain of salt
 
2013-08-06 12:46:56 AM

Lsherm: It was a proper Lee Child adaptation. It failed because it came out right after the Newton shooting and the movie opens with an extended mass shooting scene. Otherwise, they got it right.


Hmmm... so perhaps my guess is completely wrong. Aside from the stature mismatch, perhaps I should see the movie. ^^;
 
2013-08-06 01:12:16 AM

mamoru: Lsherm: It was a proper Lee Child adaptation. It failed because it came out right after the Newton shooting and the movie opens with an extended mass shooting scene. Otherwise, they got it right.

Hmmm... so perhaps my guess is completely wrong. Aside from the stature mismatch, perhaps I should see the movie. ^^;


Don't get your hopes up too much, but it's faithful to the novel.  That they chose one of the more ridiculous Child novels to start the chain with is on Hollywood.  The secondary characters, including the Zec, are ridiculous.  But objectively, they were ridiculous in the novel, too.
 
2013-08-06 01:14:50 AM

mamoru: Actual Farking: I'm not sure what people expected.

Perhaps they expected something remotely related to the character from the books and not a midget playing a tough guy?

/haven't actually seen the movie, so take my guess with a grain of salt


I never read the books so I enjoyed it for what it was.
 
2013-08-06 01:34:53 AM

mamoru: Lsherm: It was a proper Lee Child adaptation. It failed because it came out right after the Newton shooting and the movie opens with an extended mass shooting scene. Otherwise, they got it right.

Hmmm... so perhaps my guess is completely wrong. Aside from the stature mismatch, perhaps I should see the movie. ^^;


And if you'd like to be completely fair, on the iTunes Extras (the DVD extras) there's a 30 minute feature dedicated to the controversy of casting Tom Cruise because he's too short, along with the work Tom Cruise did to get the movie made.  Lee Child, every worthless producer, and Tom Cruise all talk about casting him as Jack Reacher.  Some of it is bullshiat, but if you watch the movie they made a good choice.  Other actors could have done it, but they weren't big enough to start a franchise.
 
2013-08-06 01:45:15 AM

Lsherm: Don't get your hopes up too much, but it's faithful to the novel. That they chose one of the more ridiculous Child novels to start the chain with is on Hollywood. The secondary characters, including the Zec, are ridiculous. But objectively, they were ridiculous in the novel, too.


Yeah, it was definitely among my least favorite of the novels. Oh well... I'll give it a fair chance to at least be an entertaining movie. :)
 
2013-08-06 01:49:31 AM

clancifer: I enjoyed Jack Reacher.  So did my friends who saw it.


I did also. It put me in the mind of one of those early 70's action movies.
 
2013-08-06 01:50:42 AM
Career suicide? He won an Oscar and created one of the best crime films of all time on his first try. His impact on cinema was decided before he turned 30. Dude's got nothing left to prove. I'm sure he realizes he's never going to top Usual Suspects, so he might as well rack up a few paychecks while he can.
 
2013-08-06 01:53:35 AM
Jack Reacher was a very entertaining movie, as was Ghost Protocol.
 
2013-08-06 02:05:04 AM
I liked Jack Reacher so much, I started reading the novels.
They're great so far.

/book 5 right now.
 
2013-08-06 02:08:42 AM
"Way of the Gun" is an underrated movie.
 
2013-08-06 02:09:36 AM
Pray to Xenu they stop.
 
2013-08-06 02:30:54 AM
Yes, subby, following Brad Bird into one of the biggest franchises in the world is career suicide.

/eyeroll
 
2013-08-06 02:32:38 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Next up: Jack Reacher II: Reacher Around


Jack Reacher: Round 2
 
2013-08-06 02:34:19 AM
Trolling subtard is trolling.

Tom Cruise = One of the most intense actors in Hollywood. Always gives his best. Is a professional like no other. You can count on him making your ticket money be worth it.

Sure, he's a Scientologist, jumped on Oprah and etc. But that's on YOU for following the celebrity culture. WTF are you doing watching E or Oprah? Oh right. I don't follow that crap and my only Cruise experiences are with his movies which is how I want it. I have yet to be disappointed by a performance of his.

Plus if you are so concerned about his personal life, I remember an article submitted here on Fark that talks about how he's actually a real life hero and loves to help people, so there's that.
 
2013-08-06 02:34:19 AM
Shame they couldn't bring Brad Bird back.


fusillade762: "Way of the Gun" is an underrated movie.


It is.

And Usual Suspects is overrated - it gets a lot of mileage out of excellent performances and atmosphere but the whole thing falls apart once you start noticing the holes in the story),

Overall I haven't been too impressed with McQuarries' work.
 
2013-08-06 02:35:23 AM
Was Jack Reacher actually bad, or was it just poorly received?
 
2013-08-06 02:52:48 AM

wildcardjack: Was Jack Reacher actually bad, or was it just poorly received?


I enjoyed it. As a previous poster said, the sniper scene in the begining was too soon after Newton.

The only scene that didn't work for me was the last fight scene where the badguy hunched over to make Tom Cruise look taller.

Never be afraid to let the badguys look taller than you.
 
2013-08-06 02:53:23 AM

wildcardjack: Was Jack Reacher actually bad, or was it just poorly received?


I liked it. It seems like most of this thread liked it. YMMV.
 
2013-08-06 02:54:25 AM
Never read Jack Reacher, but I've also never read Parker or Alex Cross. Judging by just the movies, Jack Reacher was decent, Parker was bad but watchable, Alex Cross was unwatchable outside of MST3K mindset. So redirect your disaster talk
 
2013-08-06 03:04:21 AM

stoli n coke: Career suicide? He won an Oscar and created one of the best crime films of all time on his first try. His impact on cinema was decided before he turned 30. Dude's got nothing left to prove. I'm sure he realizes he's never going to top Usual Suspects, so he might as well rack up a few paychecks while he can.


It's Deadline Hollywood. Greenlights are paid for and headlines written in Maximum Troll to provoke clicks there and comments here.
 
2013-08-06 03:23:24 AM

rocky_howard: You can count on him making your ticket money be worth it.


Except with "Oblivion". That movie was pretty bad. Even Morgan Freeman's acting was weak in that movie (you could tell he wasn't really trying). And Tom Cruise should never narrate. ESPECIALLY when you have Morgan Freeman in your cast! WTF were they thinking?
 
2013-08-06 03:28:01 AM

Disgruntled Goat: stoli n coke: Career suicide? He won an Oscar and created one of the best crime films of all time on his first try. His impact on cinema was decided before he turned 30. Dude's got nothing left to prove. I'm sure he realizes he's never going to top Usual Suspects, so he might as well rack up a few paychecks while he can.

It's Deadline Hollywood. Greenlights are paid for and headlines written in Maximum Troll to provoke clicks there and comments here.


Exactly.  And the movie cost 60 mil to make but made over 200 mil worldwide.  Not disappointing, let alone a failure.

Troll subby is a troll.
 
2013-08-06 03:43:23 AM
MI5 probably won't be too bad. Then again, Brad Bird was mostly why MI4 was awesome. Anything Brad touches turns into platinum.
 
2013-08-06 03:43:25 AM
I have zero knowledge of the books or character history, but when the movie opened up with the guy requesting this mysterious superman named Reacher I was thrown since I'm so used to origin stories.  Then Tom Cruise walked onscreen and I realized it was a comedy.
 
2013-08-06 03:58:44 AM

WizardofToast: MI5 probably won't be too bad. Then again, Brad Bird was mostly why MI4 was awesome. Anything Brad touches turns into platinum.


Brad Bird did MI4? I've been staying away from the MI movies because I was a huge fan of the original TV series, and I know from a review by someone whose opinion I trust (Peter David, an accomplished writer of comics, novels, and TV series himself) that they completely shat on the TV series with the first MI movie (which is why they couldn't talk any of the original cast to even do a cameo in it, let alone reprise their roles, no matter how much money was offered ― once they read the script, they all said no way).

Do the later MI movies redeem the first in any way? At what point do they become worth watching? I refuse to see an MI movie that spits on the TV series, or that is treated as more of an action movie than the intellectual adventures that the original series was, but then again, I've loved everything I've seen so far from Bird. So, is MI4 more like the TV series? I don't want to see an action flick. No car chases, no explosions, no shoot-outs. And the opening theme song had by golly well better be in 5/4 time and include the sax solo.
 
2013-08-06 04:25:58 AM

mamoru: Lsherm: It was a proper Lee Child adaptation. It failed because it came out right after the Newton shooting and the movie opens with an extended mass shooting scene. Otherwise, they got it right.

Hmmm... so perhaps my guess is completely wrong. Aside from the stature mismatch, perhaps I should see the movie. ^^;


It's a fun movie. I enjoyed it for what it was...Mindless pap...Just like the books. They're retarded ass books that make Dirk Pitt novels seem like Shakespeare (they're fairly similar in formula too). They're fun and fast reads...But they're crap. Anybody that pisses and moans about how this particular movie didn't stick to the books either hasn't read the books or has really poor taste in books. The movie was more engaging to me than the books, that's for sure.

/probably read 6 or so of them
 
2013-08-06 04:44:37 AM

COMALite J: Brad Bird did MI4? I've been staying away from the MI movies because I was a huge fan of the original TV series, and I know from a review by someone whose opinion I trust (Peter David, an accomplished writer of comics, novels, and TV series himself) that they completely shat on the TV series with the first MI movie (which is why they couldn't talk any of the original cast to even do a cameo in it, let alone reprise their roles, no matter how much money was offered ― once they read the script, they all said no way).

Do the later MI movies redeem the first in any way? At what point do they become worth watching? I refuse to see an MI movie that spits on the TV series, or that is treated as more of an action movie than the intellectual adventures that the original series was, but then again, I've loved everything I've seen so far from Bird. So, is MI4 more like the TV series? I don't want to see an action flick. No car chases, no explosions, no shoot-outs. And the opening theme song had by golly well better be in 5/4 time and include the sax solo.


MI:1 was pretty good
MI:2 was horrible, haven't fully watched it yet.
MI:3 was fan-farking-tastic. Great thriller.
MI:4 was very good.

3 is probably my favorite overall due to how likable the cast is, plus Phillip Seymour Hoffman is intense as fark.

Eh, I think you're valuing the original MI series too much. Intellectual? Seriously? And c'mon, the only reason most TV shows don't have Hollywood level action is because of the budget, not because they're some kind of special auteur masterpiece.

Plus Peter David's opinion about how the MI movies shat on the original series are rendered moot by what he did to Shatterstar and Rictor.
 
2013-08-06 04:50:58 AM

Lsherm: clancifer: I enjoyed Jack Reacher.  So did my friends who saw it.

It was a proper Lee Child adaptation.  It failed because it came out right after the Newton shooting and the movie opens with an extended mass shooting scene.  Otherwise, they got it right.

I thought it would suck because Cruise is just about ten feet shorter than Jack Reacher is described in the books, but he pulled off the idea.  Before the first big fight scene when Cruise says "Remember, you wanted this" - he's not being smug because he knows he'll win the fight, he's regretful because he's doing something that is going to hurt people - again.

Cruise sold all of that in that with his expression and delivery, which helped carry the next scene where a short 50 year old man takes out six teenage attackers without any problem.

I don't give a fark how crazy that man is, he's a workingman's actor, and he's great at it.  He may never win another oscar, but he's 10 times better than every other headliner out there.


I'd like to echo what you said.

I made an effort to read the book before the film came out (never read any of the Jack Reacher books so it was my first).  I was plenty ready to hate on the film for casting someone with nowhere near the same physique.  But I'll be damned it Cruise didn't totally sell it too me.  And I thoroughly enjoyed the film.  For having to condense everything I felt that they did a great job of having all the major elements there.

The only one thing that bothered me is that the ending didn't feel as intense or dramatic as the book.  I realize perhaps it would have taken too much explaining to do it as per the book, but, well, the ending of the film didn't quite do it for me.
 
2013-08-06 04:56:35 AM
am I the only one who noticed Werner Herzog in this movie?
 
2013-08-06 05:33:19 AM
Never read the books but really like this movie. I'll echo what someone up thread said in that I've never been disappointed by Cruise. Also like how it really highlighted the difference between "Joes" and "Pros" (the bar fight and and the bathroom fight)
I definitely won't be sad if this was the first of a series.

/Used to read the Alex Cross novels
//Thought Freeman was awesome but hated what they did to Samson
 
2013-08-06 05:47:06 AM
I refuse to watch an movie with Tom Cruise. I used to like him, but all the weirdness has really destroyed his movies for movie. I won't even watch Top Gun or Risky Business anymore.
 
2013-08-06 06:05:41 AM
Troll headlines are one thing, then there is just being a butthurt moron
 
2013-08-06 06:14:08 AM
Yeah, career suicide. Because MI4 only made 700mill.
 
2013-08-06 06:27:03 AM
Add me to the echoes of Jack Reacher being a great fun action movie. I too like Cruise's acting, don't care about his personal craziness. His movies are often entertaining to watch. Havent read any of the Jack Reacher books but the movie was great.
 
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2013-08-06 06:35:39 AM

stonelotus: am I the only one who noticed Werner Herzog in this movie?


his voice is kinda hard to miss.

i liked Jack Reacher. never read the books and the previews made me think it was going to be a much different movie than it actually was. i was pleasantly surprised.
 
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2013-08-06 06:36:53 AM

WizardofToast: MI5 probably won't be too bad. Then again, Brad Bird was mostly why MI4 was awesome. Anything Brad touches turns into platinum.


i'm sorta hoping JJ can't do both Star Wars and Star Trek III (in time for the 50th anniversary) and that Star Trek III is done by Brad Bird. that would be excellent.
 
2013-08-06 06:39:47 AM
Jack Reacher was a pretty good flick.
 
2013-08-06 06:42:42 AM

x23: i'm sorta hoping JJ can't do both Star Wars and Star Trek III (in time for the 50th anniversary) and that Star Trek III is done by Brad Bird. that would be excellent.


The guy who directed the last GI Joe movie is doing Trek 3.
 
2013-08-06 06:48:31 AM
I like Jack Reacher.
 
2013-08-06 07:03:11 AM

clancifer: I enjoyed Jack Reacher.  So did my friends who saw it.


^This

Fark U movie snobs
 
2013-08-06 07:09:51 AM
Jack Reacher wasn't a failure.  It brought in over $200 million total when you add in the international market.  No clue on DVD sales but for a $60 million movie, it did more than okay.
 
2013-08-06 07:09:57 AM
Jack Reacher was a great action movie.

Yes, it was a little different than the book, get over it. The book was the book and the movie was the movie.

There, I said it.
 
2013-08-06 07:22:26 AM

meanmutton: Jack Reacher wasn't a failure.  It brought in over $200 million total when you add in the international market.  No clue on DVD sales but for a $60 million movie, it did more than okay.


In the world of farkers, failure = anything that they didn't like, so they have to imply that it bombed so it looks like their opinion is popular.

That's why you still hear a few of them trying to claim that Star Trek: Into Darkness and Man of Steel bombed, despite the fact that they were each the highest grossing movies of their respective franchises.

Turning $200 million on a $60 million movie is hardly career suicide. In fact, in Hollywood, it pretty much ensures you'll keep getting job offers for a few years.
 
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