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(Telegraph)   Meanwhile, Spain's economy is bad, so they've decided to get all butthurt over Gibraltar again   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 39
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2013-08-05 11:00:14 AM  
Argentina:Falklands as Spain:Gibraltar
 
2013-08-05 11:02:47 AM  
Everyone covets Goosio!
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2013-08-05 11:03:35 AM  

FLMountainMan: Argentina:Falklands as Spain:Gibraltar


It's almost as if one of those countries colonized the other.
 
2013-08-05 11:03:45 AM  
And don't try to compare Ceuta and Melilla to Gibraltar.  The Spanish REALLY don't like that:
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2013-08-05 11:04:30 AM  
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2013-08-05 11:05:28 AM  
I guess it must be a day ending in Y again.
 
2013-08-05 11:06:29 AM  
As someone who has no real ties to England, Spain, or Morocco, I demand Spain cede Perejil, Ceuta, and Melila to me to avoid any conflict of interest or hypocrisy in this debate.

/we'll also take Cesc, Navas, Villa, and Silva
 
2013-08-05 11:07:08 AM  
The Catholic King does hereby, for himself, his heirs and successors, yield to the Crown of Great Britain the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging; and he gives up the said propriety to be held and enjoyed absolutely with all manner of right for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever.

Not a lot of ambiguity there.
 
2013-08-05 11:08:15 AM  
Spain are hypocrites (see earlier post) since they have territories in North Africa. Besides, assuming they weren't immediately biatchslapped by the EU for this, I suspect they'd have far more to lose if Britain retaliated by sticking a €50 surcharge on Brits traveling to Spain. I wonder what that would do for their tourism industry.
 
2013-08-05 11:08:30 AM  
What, they don't have any Jews, Gypsies, or gays to blame?
 
2013-08-05 11:11:14 AM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: FLMountainMan: Argentina:Falklands as Spain:Gibraltar

It's almost as if one of those countries colonized the other.


Except it isn't. Gibraltar was ceded to Great Britain in perpetuity at the end of the War of the Spanish Succession. Most of the inhabitants of the town had fled, and the people who have lived there for three centuries speak English and want to be part of the U.K. The Falklands had only a tiny military outpost on it when the Brits took it over and settled it with Britons. Again, no one was colonized there against their will.

Sovereignty should be determined by the will of the inhabitants, not by some neighboring governmental seat who claims they hold the real estate deed. Particularly when they don't. If Spain can claim Gibraltar, why can't they claim the Netherlands? They used to own that, after all.
 
2013-08-05 11:12:49 AM  
"Spain is also considering closing its airspace to flights heading to the Rock."


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Guess that's one way to get people to use the trains again.
 
2013-08-05 11:13:24 AM  
Maybe they should try to take it back. They could give the whole operation a catchy name like "Reconquista Nueva" or something. It's not like the UK has been doing nothing but digging in and fortifying it for a couple of centuries.
 
2013-08-05 11:13:50 AM  
I'll take Spain's claim more seriously when they give Ceuta and Melilla back to Morocco.
 
2013-08-05 11:13:58 AM  

mbillips: StatelyGreekAutomaton: FLMountainMan: Argentina:Falklands as Spain:Gibraltar

It's almost as if one of those countries colonized the other.

Except it isn't. Gibraltar was ceded to Great Britain in perpetuity at the end of the War of the Spanish Succession. Most of the inhabitants of the town had fled, and the people who have lived there for three centuries speak English and want to be part of the U.K. The Falklands had only a tiny military outpost on it when the Brits took it over and settled it with Britons. Again, no one was colonized there against their will.

Sovereignty should be determined by the will of the inhabitants, not by some neighboring governmental seat who claims they hold the real estate deed. Particularly when they don't. If Spain can claim Gibraltar, why can't they claim the Netherlands? They used to own that, after all.


Well the Dutch kicked them out for one.
 
2013-08-05 11:15:10 AM  
Spain needs to wait for UK's new Aircraft Carrier to be completed.    Then when she nears the straights for the first time.... put 3 torpedo's into her side.    Ta-da
 
2013-08-05 11:21:24 AM  

mbillips: StatelyGreekAutomaton: FLMountainMan: Argentina:Falklands as Spain:Gibraltar

It's almost as if one of those countries colonized the other.

Except it isn't. Gibraltar was ceded to Great Britain in perpetuity at the end of the War of the Spanish Succession. Most of the inhabitants of the town had fled, and the people who have lived there for three centuries speak English and want to be part of the U.K. The Falklands had only a tiny military outpost on it when the Brits took it over and settled it with Britons. Again, no one was colonized there against their will.

Sovereignty should be determined by the will of the inhabitants, not by some neighboring governmental seat who claims they hold the real estate deed. Particularly when they don't. If Spain can claim Gibraltar, why can't they claim the Netherlands? They used to own that, after all.


So Argentina wasn't colonized by Spain?
 
2013-08-05 11:23:51 AM  
Spain, and Argentina, can fark right the hell off. Gibraltarians hate the Spanish government, so good luck with that.
 
2013-08-05 11:26:08 AM  
I think this was all started because they were mocked in a recent Top Gear episode.
 
2013-08-05 11:28:39 AM  
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2013-08-05 11:30:25 AM  

StatelyGreekAutomaton: mbillips: StatelyGreekAutomaton: FLMountainMan: Argentina:Falklands as Spain:Gibraltar

It's almost as if one of those countries colonized the other.

Except it isn't. Gibraltar was ceded to Great Britain in perpetuity at the end of the War of the Spanish Succession. Most of the inhabitants of the town had fled, and the people who have lived there for three centuries speak English and want to be part of the U.K. The Falklands had only a tiny military outpost on it when the Brits took it over and settled it with Britons. Again, no one was colonized there against their will.

Sovereignty should be determined by the will of the inhabitants, not by some neighboring governmental seat who claims they hold the real estate deed. Particularly when they don't. If Spain can claim Gibraltar, why can't they claim the Netherlands? They used to own that, after all.

So Argentina wasn't colonized by Spain?


What's that got to do with the Falklands? The Falklands are more than 300 miles from Argentina, and they were uninhabited until Europeans showed up. The Brits established the first permanent colony there in 1833, pushing out the small Argentinian military garrison that had been there for about a year.
 
2013-08-05 11:31:49 AM  

mbillips: StatelyGreekAutomaton: mbillips: StatelyGreekAutomaton: FLMountainMan: Argentina:Falklands as Spain:Gibraltar

It's almost as if one of those countries colonized the other.

Except it isn't. Gibraltar was ceded to Great Britain in perpetuity at the end of the War of the Spanish Succession. Most of the inhabitants of the town had fled, and the people who have lived there for three centuries speak English and want to be part of the U.K. The Falklands had only a tiny military outpost on it when the Brits took it over and settled it with Britons. Again, no one was colonized there against their will.

Sovereignty should be determined by the will of the inhabitants, not by some neighboring governmental seat who claims they hold the real estate deed. Particularly when they don't. If Spain can claim Gibraltar, why can't they claim the Netherlands? They used to own that, after all.

So Argentina wasn't colonized by Spain?

What's that got to do with the Falklands? The Falklands are more than 300 miles from Argentina, and they were uninhabited until Europeans showed up. The Brits established the first permanent colony there in 1833, pushing out the small Argentinian military garrison that had been there for about a year.


Never mind; I misunderstood your post as having something to do with the Brits colonising both places.
 
2013-08-05 11:31:50 AM  

netcentric: Spain needs to wait for UK's new Aircraft Carrier to be completed.    Then when she nears the straights for the first time.... put 3 torpedo's into her side.    Ta-da


That would be a VERY bad idea.
 
2013-08-05 11:34:49 AM  
Round up all those nasty, thieving monkeys living up on the hill in Gibraltar, fly them to Madrid and parachute them in - that should help things along.

The runway at Gibraltar is great fun to land or take off from, as the runway is bisected by a main road.  Quite an experience when you can look out your window and see cars at a level crossing as you shoot past them, but even more fun when you're crossing the runway in a car and you can see an aircraft approaching for landing - you put your foot down pretty fast.
 
2013-08-05 11:35:35 AM  

netcentric: Spain needs to wait for UK's new Aircraft Carrier to be completed.    Then when she nears the straights for the first time.... put 3 torpedo's into her side.    Ta-da


Spain and the U.K. are close military allies as members of NATO. The Spanish government biatching about Gibraltar is about as serious as the mayor of Chicago in the 1920s threatening to punch King George V in the nose.
 
2013-08-05 11:41:01 AM  
There's a whole local economy just outside Gibraltar that suffer every time this stupidity kicks off, as grocery stores are much cheaper on the Spanish side, so people who live in Gibraltar tend to buy all their food and drink over the border and bring it back.  Well, everything, really - white goods, furniture, you name it.
 
2013-08-05 11:44:27 AM  

mbillips: netcentric: Spain needs to wait for UK's new Aircraft Carrier to be completed.    Then when she nears the straights for the first time.... put 3 torpedo's into her side.    Ta-da

Spain and the U.K. are close military allies as members of NATO. The Spanish government biatching about Gibraltar is about as serious as the mayor of Chicago in the 1920s threatening to punch King George V in the nose.



They are doing more than biatching, they are deliberately attacking the Gibraltarian economy by being obstructionist at the border crossing. This may well play good in the Spanish media but if Britain starts to retaliate economically it would hurt what's left of the Spanish economy and cause all sorts of problems. A quiet word in the ear of Fraulein Merkel about possible retaliation and Spain will back down. Germany can't afford this kind of shiat.
 
2013-08-05 12:01:07 PM  
As a rule of thumb. any dispute that originates with Spanish fishermen means the opposing side is right.

Spanish fishermen are notorious for wantonly overfishing with little regard for regulations. If Gibraltar's authorities claim they are building an artificial reef to help rebuild fish stocks depleted by the Spaniards, there is every reason to believe them.  Spain should STFU and regulate its own fishing fleet before rattling sabres over a legally ceded parcel of land.
 
2013-08-05 12:12:15 PM  
Nobody expected that!
 
2013-08-05 12:14:24 PM  

mbillips: mbillips: StatelyGreekAutomaton: mbillips: StatelyGreekAutomaton: FLMountainMan: Argentina:Falklands as Spain:Gibraltar

It's almost as if one of those countries colonized the other.

Except it isn't. Gibraltar was ceded to Great Britain in perpetuity at the end of the War of the Spanish Succession. Most of the inhabitants of the town had fled, and the people who have lived there for three centuries speak English and want to be part of the U.K. The Falklands had only a tiny military outpost on it when the Brits took it over and settled it with Britons. Again, no one was colonized there against their will.

Sovereignty should be determined by the will of the inhabitants, not by some neighboring governmental seat who claims they hold the real estate deed. Particularly when they don't. If Spain can claim Gibraltar, why can't they claim the Netherlands? They used to own that, after all.

So Argentina wasn't colonized by Spain?

What's that got to do with the Falklands? The Falklands are more than 300 miles from Argentina, and they were uninhabited until Europeans showed up. The Brits established the first permanent colony there in 1833, pushing out the small Argentinian military garrison that had been there for about a year.

Never mind; I misunderstood your post as having something to do with the Brits colonising both places.


It's okay. My point still stands that the Dutch were colonised by the Falklanders.
 
2013-08-05 12:17:39 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: The Catholic King does hereby, for himself, his heirs and successors, yield to the Crown of Great Britain the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging; and he gives up the said propriety to be held and enjoyed absolutely with all manner of right for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever.

Not a lot of ambiguity there.


Not only that but it's been British longer than it was Spanish.
 
2013-08-05 12:26:58 PM  
When an economy sucks because of your incompetence (like buying bad American paper in the billions), start a war.
 
2013-08-05 12:34:38 PM  
Well that's what  you get for inbreeding your royalty and creating a situation that culminated into the Spanish War of Succession! Besides I don't see them getting their panties in a twist over the Upper Guelders!
 
2013-08-05 12:46:07 PM  
Trashed your economy?
Start a war.
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Worked for me.
 
2013-08-05 02:43:51 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "Spain is also considering closing its airspace to flights heading to the Rock."


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Guess that's one way to get people to use the trains again.


Is that lady missing the bottom half of her body? On the far left hand side?
 
2013-08-05 05:27:37 PM  

FLMountainMan: Argentina:Falklands as Spain:Gibraltar


What is it with Spanish speakers, Brits, and overseas territories?  Are they still pissed off about the Grand Armada or something?
 
2013-08-05 06:00:19 PM  

Mouser: FLMountainMan: Argentina:Falklands as Spain:Gibraltar

What is it with Spanish speakers, Brits, and overseas territories?  Are they still pissed off about the Grand Armada or something?


Short version?

Spain's empire was collapsing just as Britain's was expanding.  Since Spain also had a nasty habit of getting into wars with Britain, Britain was able to slice off some of the more strategic chunks (like The Rock of Gibraltar or the Falklands).
 
2013-08-05 06:11:57 PM  

stuffy: Trashed your economy?
Start a war.

Worked for me.


Not correct. As much as I dislike conservative politics, the financial meltdown occured well after the Bush wars.
 
2013-08-05 10:18:13 PM  

capt.hollister: As a rule of thumb. any dispute that originates with Spanish fishermen means the opposing side is right.

Spanish fishermen are notorious for wantonly overfishing with little regard for regulations. If Gibraltar's authorities claim they are building an artificial reef to help rebuild fish stocks depleted by the Spaniards, there is every reason to believe them.  Spain should STFU and regulate its own fishing fleet before rattling sabres over a legally ceded parcel of land.


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