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(Business Insider)   75 Cleveland police shoot an unarmed, innocent couple a total of 137 times. Police department's response? To "discipline" them   (businessinsider.com) divider line 233
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2013-08-05 08:11:04 AM  
The average American is exponentially more likely to be injured or killed by 'our' police than by a terrorist.
 
2013-08-05 08:11:33 AM  

NickelP: you are a puppet: vladimpaler: "innocent couple"?

Innocent people are not high on cocaine, driving on an suspended license, and running from the police.

Well, if you are given the death penalty for a crime you didn't commit, the correct response isn't "yeah but he wasn't innocent because he had a suspended license"

If you try to rob a gas station and get shot no one biatches at the clerk. This isn't much different. They caused a dangerous and cchaotic situation, which did not work out well for them.


If this isn't much different from robbery with a deadly weapon then why are the possible legal sentences for armed robbery and the crimes committed by this couple so drastically different? Could it be that this is in fact, "much different" ?
 
2013-08-05 08:11:45 AM  
 
2013-08-05 08:11:52 AM  

Cold_Sassy: FTFA: The pair were shot at 137 times while in their car, parked in a middle school parking lot. No officers were injured in what police called a full blown-out" firefight.

Please excuse me, but how the fark can you have a "firefight" with unarmed persons?  Please tell us, we're eager to hear your explanation.


Simple, they surrounded it and shot at each other.

I bet they get ambushed by coffee cups in the squad room.
 
2013-08-05 08:13:01 AM  

phrawgh: The average American is exponentially more likely to be injured or killed by 'our' police than by a terrorist.


You are also exponentially more likely to deserve or to have done something to cause that injury/killing with the police vs the one from a terrorist. I don't really see your point here.....
 
2013-08-05 08:16:50 AM  
Today, with our highly militarized and uncompromising police forces (including SWAT teams), society seems to let cops decide when and where to be judge, jury and executioner.

/it must be a cost-saving move in order to save money...so that there will be enough left over for dipstick, crooked politicians to squander foolishly
 
2013-08-05 08:17:50 AM  

you are a puppet: NickelP: you are a puppet: vladimpaler: "innocent couple"?

Innocent people are not high on cocaine, driving on an suspended license, and running from the police.

Well, if you are given the death penalty for a crime you didn't commit, the correct response isn't "yeah but he wasn't innocent because he had a suspended license"

If you try to rob a gas station and get shot no one biatches at the clerk. This isn't much different. They caused a dangerous and cchaotic situation, which did not work out well for them.

If this isn't much different from robbery with a deadly weapon then why are the possible legal sentences for armed robbery and the crimes committed by this couple so drastically different? Could it be that this is in fact, "much different" ?


I'm not sure they are. Causing a police chase like that is getting you in the pokey for a few years for sure. If anyone was injured (more so if was a police officer) That sentence gets long fast
 
2013-08-05 08:19:16 AM  

NickelP: phrawgh: The average American is exponentially more likely to be injured or killed by 'our' police than by a terrorist.

You are also exponentially more likely to deserve or to have done something to cause that injury/killing with the police vs the one from a terrorist. I don't really see your point here.....


It's almost like you are saying the police are justified in killing everyone they kill.
 
2013-08-05 08:19:46 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: The woman had over 50 contacts with police and dozens of arrests prior to this, excuse me if I don't shed a tear.

Link


and therefore deserves to be killed in the street over a relatively minor offense...you know, like God intented
 
2013-08-05 08:22:13 AM  

NickelP: you are a puppet: NickelP: you are a puppet: vladimpaler: "innocent couple"?

Innocent people are not high on cocaine, driving on an suspended license, and running from the police.

Well, if you are given the death penalty for a crime you didn't commit, the correct response isn't "yeah but he wasn't innocent because he had a suspended license"

If you try to rob a gas station and get shot no one biatches at the clerk. This isn't much different. They caused a dangerous and cchaotic situation, which did not work out well for them.

If this isn't much different from robbery with a deadly weapon then why are the possible legal sentences for armed robbery and the crimes committed by this couple so drastically different? Could it be that this is in fact, "much different" ?

I'm not sure they are. Causing a police chase like that is getting you in the pokey for a few years for sure. If anyone was injured (more so if was a police officer) That sentence gets long fast


Well then it's a good thing two people were murdered before any injuries occurred.
 
2013-08-05 08:23:11 AM  

Headso: NickelP: phrawgh: The average American is exponentially more likely to be injured or killed by 'our' police than by a terrorist.

You are also exponentially more likely to deserve or to have done something to cause that injury/killing with the police vs the one from a terrorist. I don't really see your point here.....

It's almost like you are saying the police are justified in killing everyone they kill.


Of course not, but they aren't to blame for every killing either. It is possible for the police not to act perfectly all the time, but still be without blame. No one is perfect and its unreasonable to think that every time someone farks up and causes a dangerous situation, the police will be able to act with complete perfection and knowledge. As someone else mentioned, your odds of not getting hurt by the police go up exponentially if you don't break the law, or minimally comply and don't create a dangerous situation when you do and are caught in the act.
 
2013-08-05 08:26:12 AM  

NickelP: you are a puppet: NickelP: you are a puppet: vladimpaler: "innocent couple"?

Innocent people are not high on cocaine, driving on an suspended license, and running from the police.

Well, if you are given the death penalty for a crime you didn't commit, the correct response isn't "yeah but he wasn't innocent because he had a suspended license"

If you try to rob a gas station and get shot no one biatches at the clerk. This isn't much different. They caused a dangerous and cchaotic situation, which did not work out well for them.

If this isn't much different from robbery with a deadly weapon then why are the possible legal sentences for armed robbery and the crimes committed by this couple so drastically different? Could it be that this is in fact, "much different" ?

I'm not sure they are. Causing a police chase like that is getting you in the pokey for a few years for sure. If anyone was injured (more so if was a police officer) That sentence gets long fast


http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2911 - armed robbery - 1st degree felony 3-10 years $20,000 fine
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2921.331 - evading police and high speed flight - 4th degree felony 6-18 months $5,000 fine
 
2013-08-05 08:28:00 AM  
I'm sure someone else has mentioned it, but a vehicle can be used as a weapon, so I'd hesitate to call them unarmed.  It sure seems like a weird story overall, but same as always, I'd want to hear both sides before getting too outraged.
 
2013-08-05 08:29:59 AM  

you are a puppet: NickelP: you are a puppet: NickelP: you are a puppet: vladimpaler: "innocent couple"?

Innocent people are not high on cocaine, driving on an suspended license, and running from the police.

Well, if you are given the death penalty for a crime you didn't commit, the correct response isn't "yeah but he wasn't innocent because he had a suspended license"

If you try to rob a gas station and get shot no one biatches at the clerk. This isn't much different. They caused a dangerous and cchaotic situation, which did not work out well for them.

If this isn't much different from robbery with a deadly weapon then why are the possible legal sentences for armed robbery and the crimes committed by this couple so drastically different? Could it be that this is in fact, "much different" ?

I'm not sure they are. Causing a police chase like that is getting you in the pokey for a few years for sure. If anyone was injured (more so if was a police officer) That sentence gets long fast

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2911 - armed robbery - 1st degree felony 3-10 years $20,000 fine
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2921.331 - evading police and high speed flight - 4th degree felony 6-18 months $5,000 fine


alright iI stand corrected.
 
2013-08-05 08:31:47 AM  

At least they got the right car this time.


i.imgur.com
Link
"There was no warning. There were no orders. No commands. Just gunshots."
 
2013-08-05 08:32:54 AM  

MFAWG: Popcorn Johnny: The woman had over 50 contacts with police and dozens of arrests prior to this, excuse me if I don't shed a tear.

Link

And they were high on drugs. And Hoodies. Don't forget the hoodies.


DAOTD
 
2013-08-05 08:33:33 AM  
It's hilarious watching cops shoot at stuff.  One or two open fire and then the flood gates open up and it's Yeeehaaaa PEW PEW PEW!!
 
2013-08-05 08:33:46 AM  
Well, for one thing, police chases are farking stupid. The police doing the chasing are just escalating a situation rather than defusing it. But every johnny idiot podunk moron with a badge watches too much 70s police drama and has to get in their own high speed chase.

Secondly, only the most loathsome idiot would try and claim that a little coke and weed means you deserve to be shot 30 times. How many rich, white, elites would we need to gun down if that were so?

Cops are the enemies of the American people. They have militarized themselves and consider people as prey, and are just looking for an excuse to vent their misanthropy. They'll shoot your little dog for no reason. They'll toss your grandmas house on a false tip.
 
2013-08-05 08:36:25 AM  
Isolated incident.

Again.
 
2013-08-05 08:40:07 AM  

vudukungfu: Frederick: t at 137 times while in their car..."
"One suspect, 30-year-old Malissa Williams, was shot 24 times, and the other, 43-year-old Timothy Russell, was shot 23 times

137 rounds - 47 rounds that hit people = 90 rounds missed.
Unless there was a dog.


They're not likely to miss dogs:  http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/outrage-erupts-over-cops-killing-dogs/
http://kfor.com/2013/07/31/police-shoot-family-dog/
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/videos/cops-shoot-dog-leave -n ote
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/police-shoot-fa mi ly-dog-while-notifying-family-sons-murder
 
2013-08-05 08:42:12 AM  
I'll never understand how Nickel gets so many bites when so clumsily trolling. Impressive.
 
2013-08-05 08:44:45 AM  
neongoats:
Secondly, only the most loathsome idiot would try and claim that a little coke and weed means you deserve to be shot 30 times. How many rich, white, elites would we need to gun down if that were so?


hmm. many farkers would be living on some seriously borrowed time. ifyagetme
 
2013-08-05 08:48:56 AM  

Voiceofreason01: Popcorn Johnny: The woman had over 50 contacts with police and dozens of arrests prior to this, excuse me if I don't shed a tear.

Link

and therefore deserves to be killed in the street over a relatively minor offense...you know, like God intented


He is lawful evil so for him, yes.
 
2013-08-05 08:49:26 AM  

OgreMagi: So paid administrate suspension?


Correct.  Unless one or more officers decided to leak a video.  In that case they'll be prosecuted to full extent of whatever laws these guys observe.
 
2013-08-05 08:53:41 AM  
So how many of the police where white hispanics?
 
2013-08-05 08:56:08 AM  

Cold_Sassy: FTFA: The pair were shot at 137 times while in their car, parked in a middle school parking lot. No officers were injured in what police called a full blown-out" firefight.

Please excuse me, but how the fark can you have a "firefight" with unarmed persons?  Please tell us, we're eager to hear your explanation.


This.

"Isn't that just like a wop cokehead? Brings a knife Malibu to a gun fight."
 
2013-08-05 08:57:27 AM  

libranoelrose: I'll never understand how Nickel gets so many bites when so clumsily trolling. Impressive.


Not sure if I just got complimented or called an idiot..... or both.....
 
2013-08-05 08:58:14 AM  
Want to get away with murder? Join the police force!
 
2013-08-05 09:00:05 AM  
If they've got 100 cops available to chase down 2 druggies then the police force in cleveland is far too large.
 
2013-08-05 09:01:20 AM  
Drunk, high and fleeing police and you got shot to death as a result? [good.jpg]

Cops fire 137 bullets at an unarmed perp in a middle school parking lot based on mistaken information broadcast over the radio? [notsogood.jpg]

I fail to see the problem with disciplining those involved. Two people got themselves killed by making not one, but a series of dangerous and stupid decisions. That's not a problem. It is a problem that wrong information got passed around and the cops opened fire on unarmed people, however. Such as errors can have serious consequences. There should be discipline and education aimed at preventing it in the future even though the outcome here was, by pure luck, less than horrible.
 
2013-08-05 09:03:22 AM  
As for how you have a full blown firefight... this seems more like poor procedure to me.  With that many policemen, all it takes is one to fire a shot, then all the other 74 know is that a shot was fired, and go into "OMG a gunshot" mode, time to protect ourselves.  Not saying it's right, but I'd say the bulk of the officers weren't thinking execution, but were thinking survival.  I still consider the car a weapon, and don't feel particularly bad for these losers.

My take away on this whole thing would be to call for some serious training/retraining for all 75 officers on how to effectively communicate in a group chase situation.
 
2013-08-05 09:03:50 AM  

DubtodaIll: If they've got 100 cops available to chase down 2 druggies then the police force in cleveland is far too large.


They're too busy not catching anyone kidnapping or killing poor women.
 
2013-08-05 09:07:34 AM  

skozlaw: I fail to see the problem with disciplining those involved.


Get the whole department together, divide them into 10s, and have every tenth man beaten to death by the remaining nine. It's better than they deserve.

Of course, they are just cops. Maybe we can just fire one in 10 and take away the service weapons of the ones left on the force. See how well they do when their brain is their ultimate last resort.
 
2013-08-05 09:07:58 AM  
i226.photobucket.com

Dammit po-po...get your farking act together! No sooner do I defend a cop's actions in the 'Rookie cop shoots
14 year old innocent widdle angel with a gun' thread than you go and pull a stunt like this.
 
2013-08-05 09:08:50 AM  

DubtodaIll: If they've got 100 cops available to chase down 2 druggies then the police force in cleveland is far too large.



1,700 cops for a city of 400,000.  I don't know how that stacks up with other cities.
 
2013-08-05 09:11:12 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: The woman had over 50 contacts with police and dozens of arrests prior to this, excuse me if I don't shed a tear.

Link


So... Death penalty??

\'murica... land of vengence
\\land of murder
\\\land of slashies
 
2013-08-05 09:11:39 AM  

NickelP: Of course not, but they aren't to blame for every killing either. It is possible for the police not to act perfectly all the time, but still be without blame. No one is perfect and its unreasonable to think that every time someone farks up and causes a dangerous situation, the police will be able to act with complete perfection and knowledge. As someone else mentioned, your odds of not getting hurt by the police go up exponentially if you don't break the law, or minimally comply and don't create a dangerous situation when you do and are caught in the act.


Imperfection is arresting the wrong person.   When people die because of a horrendous cock-up like that it is at very least manslaughter.
 
2013-08-05 09:11:57 AM  

Nygis: They tried to run them over with the car.


So they say...

So firing squad.
 
2013-08-05 09:12:28 AM  

Wulfman: DubtodaIll: If they've got 100 cops available to chase down 2 druggies then the police force in cleveland is far too large.


1,700 cops for a city of 400,000.  I don't know how that stacks up with other cities.


In Tokyo The number of inhabitants per police officer is 290:1

So less cops per capita than Tokyo.
 
2013-08-05 09:13:30 AM  

DubtodaIll: If they've got 100 cops available to chase down 2 druggies then the police force in cleveland is far too large.


Not that I'm defending the police here, but the incident started near the Justice Center where there were bound to be lots of cops/police cars.
 
2013-08-05 09:14:14 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: The woman had over 50 contacts with police and dozens of arrests prior to this, excuse me if I don't shed a tear.

Link


Ah. So it's okay then. You know, because execution without a trial is the preferred criminal justice method in the US.
 
2013-08-05 09:14:47 AM  

devlin carnate: Besides the obvious, WTF is wrong with Cleveland lately?  Place is a shiat magnet.


I blame the Hellmouth there. I thought that's where everyone ended up after they destroyed the one found in Sunnydale? The slayers aren't doing there jobs very well.
 
2013-08-05 09:15:11 AM  

NickelP: phrawgh: The average American is exponentially more likely to be injured or killed by 'our' police than by a terrorist.

You are also exponentially more likely to deserve or to have done something to cause that injury/killing with the police vs the one from a terrorist......


<<CITATION NEEDED>>
 
2013-08-05 09:16:11 AM  
WTF is wrong with Cleveland lately?

Lately? Cleveland is nega-Pittsburgh and always has been.
 
2013-08-05 09:16:37 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: The woman had over 50 contacts with police and dozens of arrests prior to this, excuse me if I don't shed a tear.

Link


So, what's the cutoff for summary execution?
 
2013-08-05 09:18:16 AM  
thetubameister:
\'murica... land of vengence
\\land of murder
\\\land of slashies


it does certainly feel like there is a cohort of the population who genuinely feel that way

i for one will be be happy if there's a high overlap with the cohort of the population who don't have a passport
 
2013-08-05 09:18:52 AM  

doglover: Wulfman: DubtodaIll: If they've got 100 cops available to chase down 2 druggies then the police force in cleveland is far too large.


1,700 cops for a city of 400,000.  I don't know how that stacks up with other cities.

In Tokyo The number of inhabitants per police officer is 290:1

So less cops per capita than Tokyo.



10th highest per capita in the USA according to this website:
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/law-enforcement-pol ic e-department-employee-totals-for-cities.html

I'm not 100% sure what I'm going to do with this information, but it's an interesting list.
 
2013-08-05 09:20:46 AM  

neongoats: Well, for one thing, police chases are farking stupid. The police doing the chasing are just escalating a situation rather than defusing it. But every johnny idiot podunk moron with a badge watches too much 70s police drama and has to get in their own high speed chase.

Secondly, only the most loathsome idiot would try and claim that a little coke and weed means you deserve to be shot 30 times. How many rich, white, elites would we need to gun down if that were so?

Cops are the enemies of the American people. They have militarized themselves and consider people as prey, and are just looking for an excuse to vent their misanthropy. They'll shoot your little dog for no reason. They'll toss your grandmas house on a false tip.


This is why we need to go back to Victorian Britain ideals. The only people in the country not allowed to carry firearms are the police officers.
 
2013-08-05 09:21:19 AM  
These people were violent, outlaw thugs that represented a danger to women and children and would have gladly throttled your, their or anyone else's grandmother just to get a kick. A moving vehicle is a deadly weapon itself, so the use of unnecessary violence was more than called for.*


But go ahead with your petty cop hater thread.


* Not intended to be factual statements.
 
2013-08-05 09:21:29 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: The woman had over 50 contacts with police and dozens of arrests prior to this, excuse me if I don't shed a tear.

Link


From your article:  "In addition, police responded to many calls related to Williams' diagnosed mental health problems, which included schizophrenia, the records show."

Did you miss that, or do you support the execution of the mentally ill?
 
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