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(Quartz)   How bad are Chinese tourists? Even North Koreans can't stand them   (qz.com) divider line 74
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2013-08-05 01:46:39 AM  
Mainland Chinese tourists throw sweets at North Korean children "like they're feeding ducks,"


hahahahahahahahaha...that's brilliant! not sure if racist, or just mean...
 
2013-08-05 07:34:06 AM  
It's because they blow snot everywhere, right?

/article no likey noscript
 
2013-08-05 07:35:16 AM  
The most orderly and disciplined people in the world meet the worst-mannered people in the world?

That's a bad match up.
 
2013-08-05 07:38:08 AM  
They get to be tourists? I thought they were trapped in a horrible, repressive Communist regime and spent their days an inch from suicide because they don't live in the U.S.

Shows what I know, I guess.
 
2013-08-05 07:38:41 AM  
I hate to paint people with a broad brush, but having just finished teaching my first ESL summer camp full of kids from Beijing and Shanghai here in the US and having previously gone to Ocean World in Hong Kong, whew.  Maybe it's better if you actually GO to China?  Meet them on their home turf kinda thing?  Or was L. Ron Hubbard right?
 
2013-08-05 07:38:52 AM  
Article is stupid.

Posting here makes sense then.
 
2013-08-05 07:41:01 AM  
Hey shut up about my our new landlord !

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

//Years ago we got their best here as Grad students.
Now the the flat line of the bell curve is coming.
 
2013-08-05 07:41:21 AM  
So Un gives a kilo of nose candy to the little ones to make them work harder in the sweat shops?
 
2013-08-05 07:41:53 AM  
And how. It's August which means package-tour season, so we're swamped with them right now. Between the top-of-their-lungs conversations, the shoving you out of the way to take a picture of something, and the indoor spitting, they're pretty damned obnoxious.
 
2013-08-05 07:51:29 AM  
But a half hour later, the North Koreans are hungry for more tourists.
 
2013-08-05 07:52:06 AM  

markfara: They get to be tourists? I thought they were trapped in a horrible, repressive Communist regime and spent their days an inch from suicide because they don't live in the U.S.


They are allowed to go to the DPRK so that they can see that no matter how bad it is at home, it can always get worse.

/The PRC is repressive politically.
 
2013-08-05 07:55:09 AM  
Put it this way... a Chinese tour party visiting here (so really well off people on an expensive foreign holiday) went to the annual city mission christmas dinner (free to anyone, intended for homeless and desperate folks) and sat and had a big feast as a free party to end their tour.

This is not really an isolated incident.
 
2013-08-05 07:55:40 AM  
Does the local gravity increase every time a chinaman holds a camera?
 
2013-08-05 07:59:04 AM  
In my limited experience (2 weeks in China for work, once), regular people were just like people you'd meet anywhere, poor people and monks hit me up for cash whenever they got the chance, and the Nouveau Riche tended to be ill-mannered assholes with a sense of entitlement.
 
2013-08-05 08:00:50 AM  
I would think Chinese tourists would be a double-edged sword for North Korea. North Korea desperately needs the money from tourism but I bet the Chinese tourists are pretty fearless compared to everyone else who goes to North Korea. The Chinese will basically rub it in the face of the North Koreans that NK is their biatch which will stir up trouble for the North Korean government.
 
2013-08-05 08:04:30 AM  

Robo Beat: the shoving you out of the way to take a picture of something


Gah. I hate this. I have no problem with someone asking (or gesturing, if they don't speak the language) politely if one would kindly move slightly so they can get a photo, but physically pushing someone is completely inappropriate and rude.

/I was recently traveling with my family (we're Americans and try to be decent tourists) in Sweden. My dad asked a man if he could take take a photo of our family with our camera. The man evidently thought we were asking him to get out of the way so we could take a photo of a building, and he stomped away in a huff. We all felt bad, as that was totally not our intent. Whoops.
//When I'm a tourist I try to speak quietly in public, speak the language when talking to locals (even if they switch to English, I find it polite to at least try to speak the language), and generally try to emulate the behaviors of local people to avoid coming across as an obnoxious tourist.
 
2013-08-05 08:09:26 AM  
At least North Korea doesn't have to deal with Chinese tourists renting cars and driving, so they got that going for them.
 
2013-08-05 08:09:42 AM  

heypete: Robo Beat: the shoving you out of the way to take a picture of something

Gah. I hate this. I have no problem with someone asking (or gesturing, if they don't speak the language) politely if one would kindly move slightly so they can get a photo, but physically pushing someone is completely inappropriate and rude.


/I was recently traveling with my family (we're Americans and try to be decent tourists) in Sweden. My dad asked a man if he could take take a photo of our family with our camera. The man evidently thought we were asking him to get out of the way so we could take a photo of a building, and he stomped away in a huff. We all felt bad, as that was totally not our intent. Whoops.
//When I'm a tourist I try to speak quietly in public, speak the language when talking to locals (even if they switch to English, I find it polite to at least try to speak the language), and generally try to emulate the behaviors of local people to avoid coming across as an obnoxious tourist.


Was this the man ?
blog.nj.com


//best cell phone ring ever.
 
2013-08-05 08:20:04 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The most orderly and disciplined people in the world meet the worst-mannered people in the world?

That's a bad match up.


This.  I really have no idea what subby thought they were saying here.  But it wasn't a thing that made sense outside of recognizing the structure of the sentence.
 
2013-08-05 08:22:03 AM  
A lot of Chinese who appear to have immigrated from China have bad manners. I'd like to visit China to meet the people on their home turf, because the ones I meet in my city are annoying. The Chinese Government must ship off the most ill behaved citizens in their country.
 
2013-08-05 08:36:21 AM  
Please don't throw candy at the children.

That was the only reason I wanted to go to parades as a kid.
 
2013-08-05 08:51:22 AM  
I base my impression entirely on the ones I meet in Chinatown in NYC.  So that means all Chinese are pushy street vendors.
 
2013-08-05 09:01:34 AM  

phaseolus: n my limited experience (2 weeks in China for work, once), regular people were just like people you'd meet anywhere, poor people and monks hit me up for cash whenever they got the chance, and the Nouveau Riche tended to be ill-mannered assholes with a sense of entitlement.


It's almost as if it's humans that suck and not specific nationalities.
 
2013-08-05 09:17:10 AM  
It looks like money is the root of all evil then. Just hand all your money to me. I shall toss it in the fire. You can trust me.
 
2013-08-05 09:17:17 AM  

skinink: A lot of Chinese who appear to have immigrated from China have bad manners. I'd like to visit China to meet the people on their home turf, because the ones I meet in my city are annoying. The Chinese Government must ship off the most ill behaved citizens in their country.


I recommend it

// Im in Beijing
 
2013-08-05 09:20:30 AM  
Does this mean this is just another thing the USA isn't #1 in anymore?
 
2013-08-05 09:24:03 AM  

Intrepid00: Does this mean this is just another thing the USA isn't #1 in anymore?


I don't think we have been for a while now.
 
2013-08-05 09:28:33 AM  
FTFA: The number of Chinese traveling to North Korea is disputed, with estimates ranging from 10,000 a year by tour operators to more than half a million by North Korean officials
 
2013-08-05 09:36:52 AM  
The only real Chinese person I know is a shaved head lesbian. She is super nice and very polite
 
2013-08-05 09:45:19 AM  

Mad Scientist: I base my impression entirely on the ones I meet in Chinatown in NYC.  So that means all Chinese are pushy street vendors.


Close enough, in my experience.

/lived in Hong Kong for a year, traveled extensively through the region
 
2013-08-05 09:45:46 AM  

Kevin72: FTFA: The number of Chinese traveling to North Korea is disputed, with estimates ranging from 10,000 a year by tour operators to more than half a million by North Korean officials

Baghdad Bob.

FTFM somehow it didn't come out right the first time. Tags or whatever.
 
2013-08-05 09:45:56 AM  
The Chinese are legendary for their rudeness. Europe is about at the end of their rope dealing with these things.
 
2013-08-05 09:52:36 AM  
I call it "the great wall" every time I see a hoard of Asian tourists.  Just like their culture they swarm and devastate cities.
As bad as Americans are it's amazing to say that they have worse manners than we do.
 
2013-08-05 10:18:55 AM  
I work in a university office that also holds the office where International students get their visas/taxes, etc. sorted out.

Mostly what I notice about the Chinese students, based only on what I've seen, is a difficulty understanding simple directions, even if they have a decent command of the language. I get a lot if blank stares and attempting to enter random, closed offices when told things like "wait here". I always hope they just don't understand me, but that hope is lost when the pull out a phone and speak English while glaring at me. Lines seem to confuse and annoy them as well. Weird, for a bunch of chemical engineers and such...I don't get it, but that's why I'm only paid to answer phones. ;)
 
2013-08-05 10:21:32 AM  
I had to tell some Chinese tourists at Niagara Falls to stop picking up
my kids to get a photo with them.

They totally didn't understand why I was getting upset.
 
2013-08-05 10:26:16 AM  
The thing with the Chinese is they never had a Victorian or Renaissance era like those that swept through Europe making people become very self aware of being polite and modest in public. They just don't give a sh*t about that kind of thing. Other Asian countries have been westernized to larger degree so they don't behave like that much anymore. I've heard the same reasoning applied to western religion and the seemingly hedonistic approach to sexuality in the far east (from a 2nd gen Chinese hooker no less). Kind of interesting to think about.
 
2013-08-05 10:40:22 AM  
Before I read this article, I thought the North Koreans were more pissed off at the Chinese taking pictures of EVERYTHING.  I imagine their minder's job would almost be impossible to clamp down on that.
 
2013-08-05 10:45:19 AM  

here to help: The thing with the Chinese is they never had a Victorian or Renaissance era like those that swept through Europe making people become very self aware of being polite and modest in public. They just don't give a sh*t about that kind of thing. Other Asian countries have been westernized to larger degree so they don't behave like that much anymore. I've heard the same reasoning applied to western religion and the seemingly hedonistic approach to sexuality in the far east (from a 2nd gen Chinese hooker no less). Kind of interesting to think about.


That is interesting. I love being able to look at a situation from another perspective.
 
2013-08-05 10:58:00 AM  

LL316: phaseolus: n my limited experience (2 weeks in China for work, once), regular people were just like people you'd meet anywhere, poor people and monks hit me up for cash whenever they got the chance, and the Nouveau Riche tended to be ill-mannered assholes with a sense of entitlement.

It's almost as if it's humans that suck and not specific nationalities.


And certain nationalities suck at much higher rates.
 
2013-08-05 10:59:58 AM  
I thought this thread was only kind of racist until I read this post.

zzottt: The only real Chinese person I know is a shaved head lesbian. She is super nice and very polite


Now I think this entire thread is hugely racist. How many fake Chinese does this guy know, and how does he put up with their pulling their eyes narrow and sing-song made up Chinese words?

/I live in the 1000 Islands region. Dozens of Asian-American tour buses all summer long, full of quiet, well-mannered regular folks.
 
2013-08-05 11:00:31 AM  

here to help: The thing with the Chinese is they never had a Victorian or Renaissance era like those that swept through Europe making people become very self aware of being polite and modest in public. They just don't give a sh*t about that kind of thing. Other Asian countries have been westernized to larger degree so they don't behave like that much anymore. I've heard the same reasoning applied to western religion and the seemingly hedonistic approach to sexuality in the far east (from a 2nd gen Chinese hooker no less). Kind of interesting to think about.


I can see this to be part of the case, but OTOH the reason the Japanese are always voted the best tourists in the world has more to do with the traditional Japanese culture than any subsequent Westernization of that country. Modesty and politeness is not a Western-specific mode of operation.
 
2013-08-05 11:01:38 AM  

bill4935: I thought this thread was only kind of racist until I read this post.

zzottt: The only real Chinese person I know is a shaved head lesbian. She is super nice and very polite

Now I think this entire thread is hugely racist. How many fake Chinese does this guy know, and how does he put up with their pulling their eyes narrow and sing-song made up Chinese words?

/I live in the 1000 Islands region. Dozens of Asian-American tour buses all summer long, full of quiet, well-mannered regular folks.


Ummm
 
2013-08-05 11:01:39 AM  

here to help: The thing with the Chinese is they never had a Victorian or Renaissance era like those that swept through Europe making people become very self aware of being polite and modest in public.


They appear to be having it now. The Chinese tourists in the classier parts of London have adopted Western social mores to a huge degree over the last decade or so. Even the elderly men, who previously dressed like Romanian lorry drivers, complete with woven plastic laundry bag full of miscellaneous crap, and who tried to smoke everywhere, now look and behave very much like wealthier European tourists. The wealthy teens and 20somethings are, if anything, better behaved than their counterparts from other countries.

It will be interesting (and possibly depressing) to see whether that trickles down or whether a wider distribution of travellers reduces overall standards of behaviour.
 Or the Chinese economy's slowing growth will further increase unrest, reduce travel opportunities, and generally make us all look as silly over China as we did, with hindsight, about Japan.
 
2013-08-05 11:04:43 AM  

here to help: The thing with the Chinese is they never had a Victorian or Renaissance era like those that swept through Europe making people become very self aware of being polite and modest in public. They just don't give a sh*t about that kind of thing. Other Asian countries have been westernized to larger degree so they don't behave like that much anymore. I've heard the same reasoning applied to western religion and the seemingly hedonistic approach to sexuality in the far east (from a 2nd gen Chinese hooker no less). Kind of interesting to think about.




Thanks, I never thought of it that way, either. Hmm.

Makes so much sense, because darned if I don't get all "Well, I never!" whenever I encounter it, channelling my very Southern gramma who shakes her head at those who aren't "raised right".
 
2013-08-05 11:10:56 AM  
Ah China, welcome to superpower status.  Now your tourists are the new Ugly Americans.   Except with added snot and BO.
 
2013-08-05 11:16:35 AM  

Moopy Mac: I can see this to be part of the case, but OTOH the reason the Japanese are always voted the best tourists in the world has more to do with the traditional Japanese culture than any subsequent Westernization of that country. Modesty and politeness is not a Western-specific mode of operation.


The Japanese kind of had their own thing going on because of the extreme isolationism (they had their borders locked up tight for over 200 years). They were already kind of an elegant people compared to some of their neighbors but they were also exposed to Dutch culture first once they started looking outwards so that might have helped a bit too. They did however have a very savage streak as evidenced in WWII. I think getting completely stomped and more or less controlled by western forces for all this time helped them with some of the lingering manner issues they may have had. They really were the first Asian country to be completely at the mercy of the west so they've had more time to adjust as opposed to places like China or Vietnam.

That's purely speculation on my part so IDK... but it would make sense.

FarkinNortherner: here to help: The thing with the Chinese is they never had a Victorian or Renaissance era like those that swept through Europe making people become very self aware of being polite and modest in public.

They appear to be having it now. The Chinese tourists in the classier parts of London have adopted Western social mores to a huge degree over the last decade or so. Even the elderly men, who previously dressed like Romanian lorry drivers, complete with woven plastic laundry bag full of miscellaneous crap, and who tried to smoke everywhere, now look and behave very much like wealthier European tourists. The wealthy teens and 20somethings are, if anything, better behaved than their counterparts from other countries.

It will be interesting (and possibly depressing) to see whether that trickles down or whether a wider distribution of travellers reduces overall standards of behaviour.
 Or the Chinese economy's slowing growth will further increase unrest, reduce travel opportunities, and generally make us all look as silly over China as we did, with hindsight, about Japan.


I lived in Chinatown for years and had a ton of 2nd gen friends who's parents/grandparents came from various countries in Asia. They tended to be hyper modern and westernized compared to the generations before them. They always bemoaned their families backwards ways and seemed quite open to the idea of being assimilated. There will be a significant change as China continues its journey into capitalism/westernization I think. Just give it 20 years or so and things will chill out. The Chinese government even tells their citizens not to act like assholes when traveling abroad lest they bring shame to their country.
 
2013-08-05 11:17:39 AM  
Oh man, the smoking! Ok, I smoke (down to 2 a day now, but I love those 2)...but this is a mess...the WalMart Shareholders meeting takes p,ace at my uni every year, for oe week, people from WalMarts all over the world, etc. our campus is non smoking, so there is a huge parking lot across the street from the stadium where everyone else smokes (they make it obvious where to go, provide ashtrays). Again, also a week -plenty of time to observe others if sill confused. Nope, all week long, they stand next to the elementary school playground that is next to campus, and en stare at the teachers when asked to move. Either there, or the 3 houses on either side of the school. One guy got tired of the hundreds of butts on his lawn and turned the hose on them. Not at all nice, but it seemed effective, till the next year where the same thing happened again. :(
 
2013-08-05 11:18:52 AM  
After watching Chinese people dumping food they didn't want to eat on the floor, spitting anywhere, letting their kids take dumps in the street, never queuing up for anything, I could see why the North Koreans don't care too much for their tourists.
 
2013-08-05 11:21:27 AM  

Moopy Mac: here to help: The thing with the Chinese is they never had a Victorian or Renaissance era like those that swept through Europe making people become very self aware of being polite and modest in public. They just don't give a sh*t about that kind of thing. Other Asian countries have been westernized to larger degree so they don't behave like that much anymore. I've heard the same reasoning applied to western religion and the seemingly hedonistic approach to sexuality in the far east (from a 2nd gen Chinese hooker no less). Kind of interesting to think about.

I can see this to be part of the case, but OTOH the reason the Japanese are always voted the best tourists in the world has more to do with the traditional Japanese culture than any subsequent Westernization of that country. Modesty and politeness is not a Western-specific mode of operation.


Where do people vote for the best tourists in the world? Also, who is the last place country?
 
2013-08-05 11:22:29 AM  

rogue_L_chick: Thanks, I never thought of it that way, either. Hmm.

Makes so much sense, because darned if I don't get all "Well, I never!" whenever I encounter it, channelling my very Southern gramma who shakes her head at those who aren't "raised right".


I found it a shock when I first found myself having to walk through the teeming throngs of them all pushing and scrambling for position on the busy sidewalks. They do have a system though and once you figure it out it is quite efficient. Don't stop and give the right of way out of politeness... even to old people. Don't worry about brushing or bumping into them because they don't care. Move swiftly and keep your eyes on where the human traffic is flowing and whether there are potential openings to get past people up ahead (this was easy for me because I'm wicked tall). Etc...

Eventually I found it easier to move through a mob of chinese people than a less dense crowd of whitey moo cows bumbling about their day.
 
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