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(Cleveland Plain Dealer)   For the first time since 1842, there will not be a newspaper printed in Cleveland tomorrow   (cleveland.com) divider line 39
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2013-08-05 08:00:41 AM  
oh no

how will clevelanders (clevelandians?) ever cope
 
2013-08-05 08:11:36 AM  
Is it because the Cleveland police department accidentally shot every journalist in the head 150 times because a printer paper jam kinda sounds like a gunshot?
 
2013-08-05 08:19:51 AM  
What are the homeless going to use for pillows and blankets while they try to nap through crippling depression?
 
2013-08-05 08:50:12 AM  
Cleveland can read?
 
2013-08-05 08:56:07 AM  
How will the serial killers seal up their death houses?
 
2013-08-05 08:58:23 AM  
What will they wrap the Yellow Perch and Carp with?
 
2013-08-05 09:00:36 AM  

Another Government Employee: How will the serial killers seal up their death houses?


Homemade Brown's championship banners
 
2013-08-05 09:07:21 AM  
I know it's the fashion to compare newspapers to buggy whips, but is there anything replacing local journalism? Are small communities now dependent on free weeklies like the Acorn for local news?
 
2013-08-05 09:15:58 AM  
Thats progress; only a decade or so late.
Now if only they can do away with sensationalist journalism.
 
2013-08-05 09:33:47 AM  

mutterfark: I know it's the fashion to compare newspapers to buggy whips, but is there anything replacing local journalism? Are small communities now dependent on free weeklies like the Acorn for local news?


Our local paper has a website. It's a shiatty website, I'll grant you, but that's their own fault because they're slow to update it for anything but major accidents on nearby highways. Although, lagging hours behind a story is still faster than lagging up to a day behind with print media.

That said, how much value is there really in local papers to anybody but shut-ins when everybody and their brother are updating Twitter and Facebook all the time?
 
2013-08-05 09:55:48 AM  
What will I read on my trolley ride to the locomotive station?
 
2013-08-05 10:07:14 AM  
For you kids out there, a newspaper is kind of like a blog, only with yesterday's news and more papery.
 
2013-08-05 10:12:32 AM  

mutterfark: I know it's the fashion to compare newspapers to buggy whips, but is there anything replacing local journalism? Are small communities now dependent on free weeklies like the Acorn for local news?


in my house there's a glowing box that can be made sensitive to certain patterns of radiation. at certain times of day, on certain bands, news broadcasts can be observed.
 
2013-08-05 10:14:13 AM  

skozlaw: mutterfark: I know it's the fashion to compare newspapers to buggy whips, but is there anything replacing local journalism? Are small communities now dependent on free weeklies like the Acorn for local news?

Our local paper has a website. It's a shiatty website, I'll grant you, but that's their own fault because they're slow to update it for anything but major accidents on nearby highways. Although, lagging hours behind a story is still faster than lagging up to a day behind with print media.

That said, how much value is there really in local papers to anybody but shut-ins when everybody and their brother are updating Twitter and Facebook all the time?


I'm on neither, so I must be out of touch.

/knows way more about current US and world events than most of her friends, exceptions being the old farts who haven't figured out how to use FB. Then everyone stares at us and wonders how we know so much. It's distressing
 
2013-08-05 10:26:24 AM  

skozlaw: That said, how much value is there really in local papers to anybody but shut-ins when everybody and their brother are updating Twitter and Facebook all the time?


On the street journalism will be crowdsourced in the future - that is for sure.  We don't need reporters in war zones when the people actually in the war zone can take video and upload it worldwide in an instant.  We still need investigative journalism of course - but the who/what/where/when will be covered for free.
 
2013-08-05 10:34:28 AM  

Peki: I'm on neither, so I must be out of touch.


I have a Twitter account just so I can look up live commentary from people nearby when something interesting is happening. It's also useful if, say, my internet connection is down because if other people are tweeting complaints about it I know it's not just me.
 
2013-08-05 10:38:07 AM  

skozlaw: Peki: I'm on neither, so I must be out of touch.

I have a Twitter account just so I can look up live commentary from people nearby when something interesting is happening. It's also useful if, say, my internet connection is down because if other people are tweeting complaints about it I know it's not just me.


Um. . .

I'm assuming the Twitter is on your phone then, and not connected to your internet via wi-fi. Otherwise, how in the world do you check Twitter when your internet is down?

/okay, maybe I am out of touch. LOL
 
2013-08-05 10:43:32 AM  
I work at a newspaper company that recently exited bankruptcy but is still going nowhere*, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

The article I read said The Plain Dealer print edition is being delivered 7 days a week. Is that not the Cleveland newspaper subby is talking about.

*seriously, if you know of anyone who needs to hire someone in Chicago or NWI, shoot me an email. I need to get out of this business. :)
 
2013-08-05 11:08:33 AM  
Why would anybody print news on paper? That doesn't make any sense.
 
2013-08-05 11:16:35 AM  

MattStafford: skozlaw: That said, how much value is there really in local papers to anybody but shut-ins when everybody and their brother are updating Twitter and Facebook all the time?

On the street journalism will be crowdsourced in the future - that is for sure.  We don't need reporters in war zones when the people actually in the war zone can take video and upload it worldwide in an instant.  We still need investigative journalism of course - but the who/what/where/when will be covered for free.


As long as I can pick and choose the ones who will confirm my political worldview.
 
2013-08-05 11:21:32 AM  

mutterfark: I know it's the fashion to compare newspapers to buggy whips, but is there anything replacing local journalism? Are small communities now dependent on free weeklies like the Acorn for local news?



News can be found at any number of places, but the journalism needed to develop that news is dying. The Cleveland paper also cut 1/3 of its journalism staff. I have no idea if their efforts to find and report local stories will be replaced or filled by other news outlets.
 
2013-08-05 12:17:55 PM  

skrame: I work at a newspaper company that recently exited bankruptcy but is still going nowhere*, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

The article I read said The Plain Dealer print edition is being delivered 7 days a week. Is that not the Cleveland newspaper subby is talking about.

*seriously, if you know of anyone who needs to hire someone in Chicago or NWI, shoot me an email. I need to get out of this business. :)


I think they're going to put out something every day, but only real newspapers 3 days a week.  The other days will be comics, editorials, local government articles, etc.  Filler.  There's some more info here:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/08/a_letter_to_our_read e rs_adapti.html">http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/08/a_le tter_to_our_reade rs_adapti.html

I live in NEO, but closer to Akron than Cleveland - so I don't read the PD.  I do have a fellow HS alum who's worked there for years.  She said it's been scary there the past year or so.
 
2013-08-05 12:20:09 PM  

But Wait There's More: Why would anybody print news on paper? That doesn't make any sense.


It's a wonder that it's not called 'olds".
 
2013-08-05 12:29:59 PM  
The top comment in the article I think sums it up:

"Expanding on opinion is really lazy. Then again, its really cheap. What isn't cheap is actual reporting and fact finding. Journalism moving from fact based to opinion based items is horrible and ruining this country. "
 
2013-08-05 01:25:40 PM  
It was quite quaint to wrap your fish and chips in newspaper. I suppose we'll have to resort to plain brown wrapping paper, from now on. Maybe rip up a few grocery bags and use them.
 
2013-08-05 01:32:10 PM  

dionysusaur: mutterfark: I know it's the fashion to compare newspapers to buggy whips, but is there anything replacing local journalism? Are small communities now dependent on free weeklies like the Acorn for local news?

in my house there's a glowing box that can be made sensitive to certain patterns of radiation. at certain times of day, on certain bands, news broadcasts can be observed.


Are you referring to your TV or your computer? If the computer, where do your stories originate? Do they form on their own, coalescing from the "cloud"? How many small communities have any sort of professional news organisation? Plenty governmental corruption happens at the local level. Do the news organs of Washington DC do much in depth reporting on the happenings of Front Royal Va? It's easier to control the message if there are only a few people reporting it. My concern isn't for ink printed on paper, but the loss of a widespread journalistic web.
 
2013-08-05 02:08:07 PM  
I see buggy whips was already covered and as far as the investigative vs opinion direction in journalism - meh... could give a flying fark...

github.com
 
2013-08-05 02:35:51 PM  

Outrageous Muff: Cleveland can read?


Once upon a time, you couldn't have a national best-seller without being big in the Cleveland market.  There's a reason why Ohioans use their libraries more, per capita, than any other state.  A lot of that is Clevelanders (if I remember right it or a nearby county ranks as busiest per capita in the nation).

There's a reason half of us Ohioans become presidents and the other half become astronauts.
 
2013-08-05 03:58:06 PM  
Seven day home delivery is ending for the Plain Dealer. The newspaper will continue to publish a print edition daily, the paper will be home-delivered only on Wednesday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
 
2013-08-05 04:57:03 PM  
People in Cleveland must be steamed.
 
2013-08-05 07:26:58 PM  
media.cleveland.com

/ that already happened, a long time ago
 
2013-08-05 07:58:36 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: Outrageous Muff: Cleveland can read?

Once upon a time, you couldn't have a national best-seller without being big in the Cleveland market.  There's a reason why Ohioans use their libraries more, per capita, than any other state.  A lot of that is Clevelanders (if I remember right it or a nearby county ranks as busiest per capita in the nation).

There's a reason half of us Ohioans become presidents and the other half become astronauts.


Yeah, because no matter who you are, everyone wants out of Ohio.

/Toledo here.
 
2013-08-05 08:34:11 PM  

Troy McClure: mutterfark: I know it's the fashion to compare newspapers to buggy whips, but is there anything replacing local journalism? Are small communities now dependent on free weeklies like the Acorn for local news?


News can be found at any number of places, but the journalism needed to develop that news is dying. The Cleveland paper also cut 1/3 of its journalism staff. I have no idea if their efforts to find and report local stories will be replaced or filled by other news outlets.


From the article, it sounds like they're going to remove the news and replace it with "opinion" and "forum" pages, aka whargarble for ratings.
 
2013-08-05 09:29:51 PM  

inert: Is it because the Cleveland police department accidentally shot every journalist in the head 150 times because a printer paper jam kinda sounds like a gunshot?


Done in two.
 
2013-08-05 10:16:38 PM  
The reason I would look to established media is to get actual reporting, instead what I usually get is the same sort of crap I get from someones facebook post.  I mean really, you exist to provide actual information not a bunch of rumors and half baked guesses.  Can't you talk to the police, seek out the hospital's spokesperson, interview a couple of witnesses, or do anything that any random bozo with a blog can't do?
 
2013-08-06 12:22:31 AM  
it still rocks though right
 
2013-08-06 01:59:11 AM  
FTFA:

It also will enable us to use more of your reader letters, giving voice to a lot more of you. It will allow us to expand our use of opinion articles from the community. It will let us draw out debate and constructive exchanges online at cleveland.com and then highlight the most interesting comments and observations in the paper.

Constructive exchanges in the online comments section of a newspaper?  Those discussions make the Politics Tab look like the correspondence between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson after they retired from politics.
 
Xai
2013-08-06 12:16:42 PM  
People in Cleveland can read??!!??
 
2013-08-06 07:46:01 PM  

skozlaw: mutterfark: I know it's the fashion to compare newspapers to buggy whips, but is there anything replacing local journalism? Are small communities now dependent on free weeklies like the Acorn for local news?

Our local paper has a website. It's a shiatty website, I'll grant you, but that's their own fault because they're slow to update it for anything but major accidents on nearby highways. Although, lagging hours behind a story is still faster than lagging up to a day behind with print media.

That said, how much value is there really in local papers to anybody but shut-ins when everybody and their brother are updating Twitter and Facebook all the time?


I'd really like someone better doing fact checking than many of my Facebook friends. I have to drop snopes links in the comment sections more than I care to count
 
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