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2013-08-04 07:50:24 AM  
 Might stop some small arms fire, but bet you can't dig a fox hole with it.
 
2013-08-04 07:51:26 AM  
Nobody ever listens to General Veers' uniform ideas.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net

I wouldn't know why.
 
2013-08-04 08:23:12 AM  
"Urgent requirement" and "2009." Yup , this is the government I work for.
 
2013-08-04 08:54:10 AM  
blog.syracuse.com
Keep firing, assholes!
 
2013-08-04 09:09:32 AM  
So wait, it's basically an ACH painted in Marine Corps Drab?

BRILLIANT!
 
2013-08-04 09:49:03 AM  

hardinparamedic: So wait, it's basically an ACH painted in Marine Corps Drab?

BRILLIANT!


I'm assuming they have some kind of new material to improve the armor. New synthetic sh*t or something. They've gotten pretty good at that over the years. I think MIT has been doing a lot of R&D on new types of anti-ballistic material.

My main problem is that they trimmed the helmet. Sure, it provides better field of view, but you're exposing a lot more of the head compared to the old K-Pot, especially the ears! Like a lot of things, I assume they stole the ideas from Special Forces who have an entirely different role and would use something like that because of all the CQB they undertake.

It is suitable for MOUT, but I really don't like slimming down something that should provide the maximum amount of protection. I dunno, maybe just me. Something drilled into me when we were taught to move under fire by digging our Pot into the dirt and crawling forward.

Hell, maybe we've seen the end of large military movements and it'll all be mostly urban fighting. The one thing about the ACH is that it was actually comfortable. I'll give them that. That padding was awesome and entirely customizable.
 
2013-08-04 10:48:06 AM  
Either that mans ears are huge or the helmet seems to be riding a big high on his head.
 
2013-08-04 11:00:48 AM  
Are you rated to repair that helmet, Private Rico?
 
2013-08-04 11:08:57 AM  

NewportBarGuy: My main problem is that they trimmed the helmet. Sure, it provides better field of view, but you're exposing a lot more of the head compared to the old K-Pot, especially the ears!


Well, the old PASGT helmet was causing a lot of neck problems because of it's size, so you get some trade-offs.
 
2013-08-04 11:12:55 AM  

way south: Either that mans ears are huge or the helmet seems to be riding a big high on his head.


Ditto.
 
2013-08-04 11:16:06 AM  
i236.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-04 11:37:09 AM  

edmo: "Urgent requirement" and "2009." Yup , this is the government I work for.


Trying to make a one size fits all solution for  3 branches of the military maybe a little more complicated than it initially looks.
 
2013-08-04 11:44:44 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Well, the old PASGT helmet was causing a lot of neck problems because of it's size, so you get some trade-offs.


True. I remember the joy of taking that thing off and whipping it into a corner. Heavy f*cker. Those leather head guards got nasty real quick.
 
2013-08-04 11:45:20 AM  
To my untrained eyes, it looks about the same as the old ones.
 
2013-08-04 11:46:06 AM  
Hopefully none of the "selected small-arms ammunition and fragmentation" is ever fired at their face, ears, or back of head.
 
2013-08-04 11:48:02 AM  

NewportBarGuy: My main problem is that they trimmed the helmet. Sure, it provides better field of view, but you're exposing a lot more of the head compared to the old K-Pot, especially the ears! Like a lot of things, I assume they stole the ideas from Special Forces who have an entirely different role and would use something like that because of all the CQB they undertake.


It could also have something to do with the recent research on how the old helmets collect and focus IED shockwaves right into the brain.
 
2013-08-04 11:54:52 AM  
ultra-high molecular-weight polyethylene materials,

All right, something is getting garbled like a motherfarker in the transcription, because this would mean basically nothing as far as the efficacy of the helmet is concerned, and LDPE frequently has a weight of like infinity to begin with.
 
2013-08-04 12:03:08 PM  

Theaetetus: It could also have something to do with the recent research on how the old helmets collect and focus IED shockwaves right into the brain.


Seriously? Wow, I didn't think of that. I guess below the ear would create a larger chamber for the wave to impact. Not only causing TBI, but also ear damage.

With the IED here to stay, I guess that's a solid approach.
 
2013-08-04 12:12:22 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Click Click D'oh: Well, the old PASGT helmet was causing a lot of neck problems because of it's size, so you get some trade-offs.

True. I remember the joy of taking that thing off and whipping it into a corner. Heavy f*cker. Those leather head guards got nasty real quick.


Kevlar headaches were a stone biatch.
 
2013-08-04 12:20:20 PM  

MFAWG: edmo: "Urgent requirement" and "2009." Yup , this is the government I work for.

Trying to make a one size fits all solution for  3 branches of the military maybe a little more complicated than it initially looks.


Especially for the Navy, what with all that ship to ship handgun fire they go through all the time.
 
2013-08-04 12:28:48 PM  
localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com
Amazing, looks exactly like haircut
 
2013-08-04 12:32:08 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Theaetetus: It could also have something to do with the recent research on how the old helmets collect and focus IED shockwaves right into the brain.

Seriously? Wow, I didn't think of that.


No? Wait a second... Have you been wearing one of those old helmets?! Get to an MRI machine, stat!

/teehee
 
2013-08-04 12:40:49 PM  

MFAWG: edmo: "Urgent requirement" and "2009." Yup , this is the government I work for.

Trying to make a one size fits all solution for  3 branches of the military maybe a little more complicated than it initially looks.


It's also silly to try.

Army and Marines having the same helmets, fine. They fill similar roles as infantry units. But when you have guys miles away in a boat, they don't need the same kind of helmet. They could wear speedos and tan butter for all the good a helmet is gonna do them if a naval weapon happens to impact where they're standing.
 
2013-08-04 12:41:01 PM  

Theaetetus: No? Wait a second... Have you been wearing one of those old helmets?! Get to an MRI machine, stat!

/teehee


I'd hate you if I wasn't laughing. Ass! heh...
 
2013-08-04 12:54:41 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Hopefully none of the "selected small-arms ammunition and fragmentation" is ever fired at their face, ears, or back of head.


You know, stormtroopers couldn't shoot for shiat with their full face, ears and back of head protection.
 
2013-08-04 12:55:37 PM  

doglover: MFAWG: edmo: "Urgent requirement" and "2009." Yup , this is the government I work for.

Trying to make a one size fits all solution for  3 branches of the military maybe a little more complicated than it initially looks.

It's also silly to try.

Army and Marines having the same helmets, fine. They fill similar roles as infantry units. But when you have guys miles away in a boat, they don't need the same kind of helmet. They could wear speedos and tan butter for all the good a helmet is gonna do them if a naval weapon happens to impact where they're standing.


what about after broadsides are fired and you have to swing over to the enemy ship and sword fight?! didn't think of that did you?!
 
2013-08-04 01:00:34 PM  

doglover: MFAWG: edmo: "Urgent requirement" and "2009." Yup , this is the government I work for.

Trying to make a one size fits all solution for  3 branches of the military maybe a little more complicated than it initially looks.

It's also silly to try.

Army and Marines having the same helmets, fine. They fill similar roles as infantry units. But when you have guys miles away in a boat, they don't need the same kind of helmet. They could wear speedos and tan butter for all the good a helmet is gonna do them if a naval weapon happens to impact where they're standing.



This helmet is for the US Marines only. The US Army may decide to use it as well but it's more likely they will see how good the helmet is then spend another few $millions to make their own version of its which will be made in the district/contributor of a different senator.
 
2013-08-04 01:07:21 PM  
Anybody remember how freaking awkward it was to fire from the prone position with the old PASGT? The extended back portion would suddenly push forward into your eye line farking up your aim forcing you to try to til the mother up to clear your eye sight only for it to slip right back down. the MICH was a godsend in that department.
 
2013-08-04 01:12:25 PM  
Helmet sucks if you need someone else to put it on you.
 
2013-08-04 01:17:52 PM  

doglover: MFAWG: edmo: "Urgent requirement" and "2009." Yup , this is the government I work for.

Trying to make a one size fits all solution for  3 branches of the military maybe a little more complicated than it initially looks.

It's also silly to try.

Army and Marines having the same helmets, fine. They fill similar roles as infantry units. But when you have guys miles away in a boat, they don't need the same kind of helmet. They could wear speedos and tan butter for all the good a helmet is gonna do them if a naval weapon happens to impact where they're standing.


What about hospital corpsmen? The Navy would presumably have an interest in the continued survival of those personnel who are currently assigned to Marine units.
 
2013-08-04 01:53:43 PM  
It looks just like the current helmets and past helmets.  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
2013-08-04 01:59:46 PM  

NewportBarGuy: hardinparamedic: So wait, it's basically an ACH painted in Marine Corps Drab?

BRILLIANT!

I'm assuming they have some kind of new material to improve the armor. New synthetic sh*t or something. They've gotten pretty good at that over the years. I think MIT has been doing a lot of R&D on new types of anti-ballistic material.

My main problem is that they trimmed the helmet. Sure, it provides better field of view, but you're exposing a lot more of the head compared to the old K-Pot, especially the ears! Like a lot of things, I assume they stole the ideas from Special Forces who have an entirely different role and would use something like that because of all the CQB they undertake.

It is suitable for MOUT, but I really don't like slimming down something that should provide the maximum amount of protection. I dunno, maybe just me. Something drilled into me when we were taught to move under fire by digging our Pot into the dirt and crawling forward.

Hell, maybe we've seen the end of large military movements and it'll all be mostly urban fighting. The one thing about the ACH is that it was actually comfortable. I'll give them that. That padding was awesome and entirely customizable.


It's pretty common to wear a large earmuff-style headset called a VIC system while inside a vehicle in today's military. Gear changes as warfighting changes. The new helmet designs have nothing to do with imitating SF. Wearing VIC headsets is much easier with an ACH than with the old kelvar.
 
2013-08-04 02:21:23 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Hopefully none of the "selected small-arms ammunition and fragmentation" is ever fired at their face, ears, or back of head.


Even with the older helmets, if a bullet hits it directly there was a good chance it would either penetrate anyway or the helmet will shatter.  Most of these helmets are only good for saving your brain box from a glancing hit, where they're engineered to deflect a bullet instead of absorbing the full impact.
 
2013-08-04 02:34:58 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Nobody ever listens to General Veers' uniform ideas.



I wouldn't know why.


He's not that great at choosing drinking glasses, either.

//just now noticed that BTW
 
2013-08-04 04:06:22 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Hopefully none of the "selected small-arms ammunition and fragmentation" is ever fired at their face, ears, or back of head.

You know, stormtroopers couldn't shoot for shiat with their full face, ears and back of head protection.


It's not like they provided any protection, anyway. They were very vulnerable to blaster fire and rocks hurled by teddy bears
 
2013-08-04 04:52:08 PM  
German Army helmets.
Interesting.

/Gott Mit Uns!
 
2013-08-04 05:03:39 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: German Army helmets.
Interesting.

/Gott Mit Uns!


It is an interesting parallel.

lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-08-04 06:16:10 PM  
My little army man has a helmet... IN MY PANTS!
 
2013-08-04 06:36:07 PM  

AngryDragon: HotIgneous Intruder: German Army helmets.
Interesting.

/Gott Mit Uns!

It is an interesting parallel.

[lh3.ggpht.com image 550x516]




farkers knew what they were doing.

Now, where are the halos?
images.dakkadakka.com
 
2013-08-04 07:19:23 PM  

AngryDragon: HotIgneous Intruder: German Army helmets.
Interesting.

/Gott Mit Uns!

It is an interesting parallel.

[lh3.ggpht.com image 550x516]


It's almost as if they were designed to fit on the same species.
 
2013-08-04 07:21:53 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: AngryDragon: HotIgneous Intruder: German Army helmets.
Interesting.

/Gott Mit Uns!

It is an interesting parallel.

[lh3.ggpht.com image 550x516]

farkers knew what they were doing.


Germans: great at making hats, terrible at winning wars.
 
2013-08-04 08:04:37 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: StoPPeRmobile: AngryDragon: HotIgneous Intruder: German Army helmets.
Interesting.

/Gott Mit Uns!

It is an interesting parallel.

[lh3.ggpht.com image 550x516]

farkers knew what they were doing.

Germans: great at making hats, terrible at winning wars.




Good thing America had it's genocide years before.
 
2013-08-04 08:06:07 PM  

SuperT: what about after broadsides are fired and you have to swing over to the enemy ship and sword fight?! didn't think of that did you?!


You're gonna sit there and tell me with a straight face you wouldn't give a nut to be the guy broadcast on an international news camera winning a sword fight in a speedo?
 
2013-08-04 08:15:45 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: StoPPeRmobile: AngryDragon: HotIgneous Intruder: German Army helmets.
Interesting.

/Gott Mit Uns!

It is an interesting parallel.

[lh3.ggpht.com image 550x516]

farkers knew what they were doing.

Germans: great at making hats, terrible at winning wars.


Not that I disagree, but they did manage to hold off most of the world for the better part of a decade.

/But it turned out the idiot who got the war going was an idiot right on through to the end.
/Shouldn't take away from the fact that they were the most powerful army the world had ever seen.
/Everyone copied them.
 
2013-08-04 09:44:29 PM  

doglover: SuperT: what about after broadsides are fired and you have to swing over to the enemy ship and sword fight?! didn't think of that did you?!

You're gonna sit there and tell me with a straight face you wouldn't give a nut to be the guy broadcast on an international news camera winning a sword fight in a speedo?


They don't broadcast gay porn.
/Face is, by definition, straight.
 
2013-08-04 10:04:37 PM  

One Bad Apple: AngryDragon: HotIgneous Intruder: German Army helmets.
Interesting.

/Gott Mit Uns!

It is an interesting parallel.

[lh3.ggpht.com image 550x516]

It's almost as if they were designed to fit on the same species.


The predecessor to the PASGT helmet was the M1 helmet worn by the Air Force, Army, Coast Guard, Marines, and Navy from 1941 to 1985. Before that was the M1917 helmet (the "Brodie Helmet") used by all US services between 1917 and well into WWII. The US military has almost always had a common helmet for all services, with variations on the basic design of course.
 
2013-08-04 10:34:14 PM  

AmericanEagle:


The predecessor to the PASGT helmet was the M1 helmet worn by the Air Force, Army, Coast Guard, Marines, and Navy from 1941 to 1985. Before that was the M1917 helmet (the "Brodie Helmet") used by all US services between 1917 and well into WWII. The US military has almost always had a common helmet for all services, with variations on the basic design of course.


As late as the mid 90's the navy still used the Vietnam era steel pots with fiberglass liners for damage control/battle stations.
 
2013-08-04 11:54:36 PM  
This story brought to you by the year 1982.
 
2013-08-05 08:29:39 AM  
It IS the german army helmet, theres a reason why they used it
 
2013-08-05 08:40:10 AM  

LewDux: Amazing, looks exactly like haircut


When did the Marines start working with cross dressers?

/it's a man, baby
 
2013-08-05 08:54:59 AM  
Can't tell if thats a man or a woman....
 
2013-08-05 09:10:52 AM  

way south: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: StoPPeRmobile: AngryDragon: HotIgneous Intruder: German Army helmets.
Interesting.

/Gott Mit Uns!

It is an interesting parallel.

[lh3.ggpht.com image 550x516]

farkers knew what they were doing.

Germans: great at making hats, terrible at winning wars.

Not that I disagree, but they did manage to hold off most of the world for the better part of a decade.

/But it turned out the idiot who got the war going was an idiot right on through to the end.
/Shouldn't take away from the fact that they were the most powerful army the world had ever seen.
/Everyone copied them.


Lets look into that shall we.
The Germany kicked off the war as it was in Sept 1939. At which point they were waging war against Poland and.....nobody else. As a matter of fact, you can go so far as to say they were actually assisted by another great power, the USSR even if only politically.
It really didnt become a World War until the invasion of Western Europe saw the Scandinavian countries getting put down and France going tits up. These events were in 1940-1941
The Germans then did a silly thing by attacking the Soviet Union and by virtue of aggressors initiative managed to push pretty deep into the Motherland.

Then it all fell apart. In 1942, North Africa was stabilized and was swinging the way of the Allies. The med was wide open and the German Summer Offensive of 1942 hit the brick wall that was the Caucasus. By early 1943, the Germans were pretty much in full retreat or at least defensive posturing EVERYWHERE.

So really, the vaunted 'German Military' was only kicking anyones ass for about 3 years AT MOST and for 2 of those years were only fighting nations that didnt even know war was about to happen to them. The German military was about as effective strategically as a mugger in the night. Great at pounding down isolated and weak nations but terrible at fighting anyone else. The Germans certainly werent as powerful Naval wise as the UK....or even Aerial wise. Their land forces were a joke compared to the USSR, and by 1942 it could be claimed that the vastly under prepared US forces had either superiority in men and material or at least parity.

Germany really only got as far as it did because of the general unpreparedness of its neighbors, not because of any inherent ability of the German army or its command structure. Replace Hitler with anybody else and the same result happens in roughly the same time of events.
 
2013-08-05 10:35:01 AM  

Subtle_Canary: way south: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: StoPPeRmobile: AngryDragon: HotIgneous Intruder: German Army helmets.
Interesting.

/Gott Mit Uns!

It is an interesting parallel.

[lh3.ggpht.com image 550x516]

farkers knew what they were doing.

Germans: great at making hats, terrible at winning wars.

Not that I disagree, but they did manage to hold off most of the world for the better part of a decade.

/But it turned out the idiot who got the war going was an idiot right on through to the end.
/Shouldn't take away from the fact that they were the most powerful army the world had ever seen.
/Everyone copied them.

Lets look into that shall we.
The Germany kicked off the war as it was in Sept 1939. At which point they were waging war against Poland and.....nobody else. As a matter of fact, you can go so far as to say they were actually assisted by another great power, the USSR even if only politically.
It really didnt become a World War until the invasion of Western Europe saw the Scandinavian countries getting put down and France going tits up. These events were in 1940-1941
The Germans then did a silly thing by attacking the Soviet Union and by virtue of aggressors initiative managed to push pretty deep into the Motherland.

Then it all fell apart. In 1942, North Africa was stabilized and was swinging the way of the Allies. The med was wide open and the German Summer Offensive of 1942 hit the brick wall that was the Caucasus. By early 1943, the Germans were pretty much in full retreat or at least defensive posturing EVERYWHERE.

So really, the vaunted 'German Military' was only kicking anyones ass for about 3 years AT MOST and for 2 of those years were only fighting nations that didnt even know war was about to happen to them. The German military was about as effective strategically as a mugger in the night. Great at pounding down isolated and weak nations but terrible at fighting anyone else. The Germans certainly werent as powerful Naval wise as the UK....or even Ae ...





I have to disagree.
Hitler was why they expanded the war in Europe to the coasts of Africa, which they could more or less handle. He was also why they attacked Russia and had their cohorts pick on the US, which is what blew things out of hand.

If it was anyone else they probably would have avoided making so many strategic blunders.
Equipment and tactics wise tho, they had things well in hand even considering our prepared state.

They developed the blitz and paratrooper deployments into a science. They advanced the jet, the ballistic missile, the guided weapon, the assault rifle and the tank. When we wanted to modernize, it was their theories and gear we often ripped off.
Hell, we still read their books and use derivatives of their guns and vehicles.

The army we built in response was able to beat them, but that took years to create and only steamrolled a Germany weakened by bombings and blockades. Their original force made a mockery of the army we had.

If it wasn't for hitler then they'd probably have done alot more damage.

/I don't think the gap then is any less than if the modern US turned evil.
/eventually the world might bring us down and historians would say we were never that far ahead.
/but sitting in the moment, foreign generals of today would be dying with envy to command a force of similar capability.
 
2013-08-05 10:46:24 AM  
Not bad, but still a long way until we get to the Mark 1 variant.

wh40k.lexicanum.com
 
2013-08-05 10:47:02 AM  

way south: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: StoPPeRmobile: AngryDragon: HotIgneous Intruder: German Army helmets.
Interesting.

/Gott Mit Uns!

It is an interesting parallel.

[lh3.ggpht.com image 550x516]

farkers knew what they were doing.

Germans: great at making hats, terrible at winning wars.

Not that I disagree, but they did manage to hold off most of the world for the better part of a decade.

/But it turned out the idiot who got the war going was an idiot right on through to the end.
/Shouldn't take away from the fact that they were the most powerful army the world had ever seen.
/Everyone copied them.


They also lost the previous war.

Revised version:
Germans are great at making hats and fighting wars, but terrible at winning wars.
 
2013-08-05 11:48:51 AM  

way south: the assault rifle and the tank.


Yeah, no.
A certainCanadian American and a Russian tanker would like a word.
The Russians mastered the tank, and really developed combined arms into a science.
 
2013-08-05 12:22:29 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: way south: the assault rifle and the tank.

Yeah, no.
A certainCanadian American and a Russian tanker would like a word.
The Russians mastered the tank, and really developed combined arms into a science.


What Garand made was the first fielded self loading rifle (a battle rifle by today's standards), and the Germans shipped their first ar's before Kalashnikov left the hospital (hitler didn't like them, but he was always the idiot).
The intermediate cartridge in an automatic weapon is a German thing.

The German tactic of mixing dive bombers with their ground assault, as well as landing troops behind the lines to soften up targets, are what wrecked the frontlines established from the previous war.
Others mimicked these tactics, and maybe did it better in instances, but the Germans preceded them.

The Russians were able to overwhelm German armor with numbers, but when your best tank gets its kills by jamming itself under German tracks so his buddies can roll up to the sides then you'd have to question the quality of armor and firepower they really had.
 
2013-08-05 12:38:26 PM  
cl.jroo.me
 
2013-08-05 01:40:38 PM  
way south: demaL-demaL-yeH: way south: the assault rifle and the tank.

Yeah, no.
A certainCanadian American and a Russian tanker would like a word.
The Russians mastered the tank, and really developed combined arms into a science.

What Garand made was the first fielded self loading rifle (a battle rifle by today's standards), and the Germans shipped their first ar's before Kalashnikov left the hospital (hitler didn't like them, but he was always the idiot).
The intermediate cartridge in an automatic weapon is a German thing.


And their battle rifle was a farking bolt-action Mauser. And the M1 Carbine (and the selective-fire M2) was not German-inspired, either.     

The German tactic of mixing dive bombers with their ground assault, as well as landing troops behind the lines to soften up targets, are what wrecked the frontlines established from the previous war.
Others mimicked these tactics, and maybe did it better in instances, but the Germans preceded them.


It was the Russians who truly integrated artillery, air, armor, and infantry, not the Germans.    

The Russians were able to overwhelm German armor with numbers, but when your best tank gets its kills by jamming itself under German tracks so his buddies can roll up to the sides then you'd have to question the quality of armor and firepower they really had.


Rebuttal: Количество имеет свое собственное качество.
 
2013-08-05 04:08:34 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: way south: demaL-demaL-yeH: way south: the assault rifle and the tank.

Yeah, no.
A certainCanadian American and a Russian tanker would like a word.
The Russians mastered the tank, and really developed combined arms into a science.

What Garand made was the first fielded self loading rifle (a battle rifle by today's standards), and the Germans shipped their first ar's before Kalashnikov left the hospital (hitler didn't like them, but he was always the idiot).
The intermediate cartridge in an automatic weapon is a German thing.

And their battle rifle was a farking bolt-action Mauser. And the M1 Carbine (and the selective-fire M2) was not German-inspired, either.     

The German tactic of mixing dive bombers with their ground assault, as well as landing troops behind the lines to soften up targets, are what wrecked the frontlines established from the previous war.
Others mimicked these tactics, and maybe did it better in instances, but the Germans preceded them.

It was the Russians who truly integrated artillery, air, armor, and infantry, not the Germans.    

The Russians were able to overwhelm German armor with numbers, but when your best tank gets its kills by jamming itself under German tracks so his buddies can roll up to the sides then you'd have to question the quality of armor and firepower they really had.



Its only my opinion, but I'd argue its the Americans who truly integrated it all late in the war. We developed one of the first man portable radios and installed communications in damn near everything with a motor. Without the signal corps efforts you could be operating on information that was hours old.

It still stands that neither the US, Russians, nor most European states were early pioneers of combined arms. We were all taught a painful lesson by Germany.

Rebuttal: Количество имеет свое собственное качество.

True, but it only takes one bullet to stop a war.

/You just have to keep shooting till you find out which one it is.
 
2013-08-05 04:28:54 PM  

doglover: MFAWG: edmo: "Urgent requirement" and "2009." Yup , this is the government I work for.

Trying to make a one size fits all solution for  3 branches of the military maybe a little more complicated than it initially looks.

It's also silly to try.

Army and Marines having the same helmets, fine. They fill similar roles as infantry units. But when you have guys miles away in a boat, they don't need the same kind of helmet. They could wear speedos and tan butter for all the good a helmet is gonna do them if a naval weapon happens to impact where they're standing.


Not necessarily. One thing you want shipside is protection against splinters and shrapnel, which a helmet is great for.
 
2013-08-05 07:45:18 PM  
Subtle_Canary:

"by 1942 it could be claimed that the vastly under prepared US forces had either superiority in men and material or at least parity "

Citation needed!
 
2013-08-05 11:00:53 PM  

Medic Zero: doglover: MFAWG: edmo: "Urgent requirement" and "2009." Yup , this is the government I work for.

Trying to make a one size fits all solution for  3 branches of the military maybe a little more complicated than it initially looks.

It's also silly to try.

Army and Marines having the same helmets, fine. They fill similar roles as infantry units. But when you have guys miles away in a boat, they don't need the same kind of helmet. They could wear speedos and tan butter for all the good a helmet is gonna do them if a naval weapon happens to impact where they're standing.

Not necessarily. One thing you want shipside is protection against splinters and shrapnel, which a helmet is great for.


And both the original K-pots and the more recent helmets that the Marines are now to replace, might be very well suited for service afloat.  Their greater neck & ear coverage protects against more shrapnel. Meanwhile, I presume that TBI is far less of a risk aboard ship than it is in the ground forces, so that greater coverage doesn't have the downside for sailors that it does for soldiers & Marines.
 
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