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(BBC)   England are still clinging on and with a good pitch and rain expected, the Aussies will need to be aggressive to force a result. It's day 4 of the third Ashes test   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 46
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2013-08-04 07:19:26 AM
England have avoided the follow on, and are currently at 9/366, trailing by 161.

Rain is predicted for tomorrow, so I can see Warner coming in as an opener (and inevitably failing) and Clarke declaring about halfway through today's final session. Maybe earlier if this final English partnership doesn't get annoyingly long.

If England still require 300 at the end of the day I can't see them making a legitimate chase.
 
2013-08-04 07:33:40 AM
Get ready for some pyrotechnics here. Australia are going to bat like it's a T20 match.
 
2013-08-04 08:13:31 AM
best part of watching the Sky Sports coverage, the Brian Lara master class segments.
 
2013-08-04 08:34:04 AM
knowing nothing about cricket... is this one game or is it like hockey best of 7 games?
 
2013-08-04 08:37:43 AM

toetag: is this one game or is it like hockey best of 7 games?


It's best of five, England is up 2-0, they're behind in the current match but have a day and a half left. Also even if they win this match and thus win the series, they'll still play the remaining two matches.
 
2013-08-04 08:49:23 AM

WhyteRaven74: It's best of five, England is up 2-0, they're behind in the current match but have a day and a half left. Also even if they win this match and thus win the series, they'll still play the remaining two matches.

 
Can a single game/match take longer than a day? (here i thought hockey games going into 2-3 overtimes were long)
 
2013-08-04 08:50:31 AM

toetag: Can a single game/match take longer than a day? (here i thought hockey games going into 2-3 overtimes were long)


test matches can last 5 days, real fun is a lot of them end in draws, meaning neither team wins. This is distinct from a tie, which almost never happens in cricket and has happened only a few times in test cricket.
 
2013-08-04 08:59:59 AM
Australia need to get a move on if they want to try to wine this.  5 sessions left, but good chance of rain today and tomorrow.  If England have to bat through 4 sessions, and rain washes out 2, then I think they can hold on for the draw.
 
2013-08-04 09:01:22 AM

FrancoFile: If England have to bat through 4 sessions, and rain washes out 2, then I think they can hold on for the draw.


And of course Australia can totally collapse, be all out with a lead of 170 and England can come on and win the thing losing just two wickets in the process.
 
2013-08-04 09:02:02 AM
I meant 270 not 170
 
2013-08-04 09:30:37 AM
And there goes Warner
 
2013-08-04 09:30:51 AM

toetag: WhyteRaven74: It's best of five, England is up 2-0, they're behind in the current match but have a day and a half left. Also even if they win this match and thus win the series, they'll still play the remaining two matches.

Can a single game/match take longer than a day? (here i thought hockey games going into 2-3 overtimes were long)


Think of it as being a bit like a golf or tennis Major tournament. There is a rather long story involved in such extended contests. That is what makes them great.

In this case we're currently watching the third of five five-day Tests. And England are already up 2-0.

If Australia loses this game, it will be the first time they've lost seven Tests in a row since 1888. That's 125 years ago. So there's a bit of history involved.
 
2013-08-04 09:33:23 AM

WhyteRaven74: And there goes Warner


Punchy goes out for 41.  Aussie run rate has been high for multi-day cricket, but not ODI levels, let alone T20 craziness.
 
2013-08-04 09:48:39 AM

FrancoFile: Punchy goes out for 41. Aussie run rate has been high for multi-day cricket, but not ODI levels, let alone T20 craziness.


well England is playing to prevent boundaries, at least for 4.
 
2013-08-04 09:56:16 AM
Yep, that's how it's going for Australia, seem to be doing great then someone gets bowled by a ball that goes behind their legs.
 
2013-08-04 09:56:28 AM
I wish the online or video coverage would do a better job of showing field placements.  A little graphic in one of the corners with spots for the fielders.  With the behind-the-bowler standard camera angle you're lucky if you can tell how many slips are in.
 
2013-08-04 09:58:48 AM

FrancoFile: A little graphic in one of the corners with spots for the fielders. With the behind-the-bowler standard camera angle you're lucky if you can tell how many slips are in


I've been watching Sky Sports and they've been doing a pretty good job talking about placements.
 
2013-08-04 10:01:11 AM

WhyteRaven74: FrancoFile: A little graphic in one of the corners with spots for the fielders. With the behind-the-bowler standard camera angle you're lucky if you can tell how many slips are in

I've been watching Sky Sports and they've been doing a pretty good job talking about placements.


Yeah but I still don't understand the names well enough to translate that into a graphical image in my head.  You always know where bowler & wicketkeeper are, and you can assume mid-on, mid-off & gully,  But for the other 6 I need visual cues.
 
2013-08-04 10:02:34 AM
And Watson is gone.
 
2013-08-04 10:10:21 AM
Whoops, went downstairs to cook an egg and two more Aussies are gone.
 
2013-08-04 10:11:53 AM
Top 4 gone.  If Australia lose this their morale is going to be absolutely shot.
First test they only came close because of some fluke tail-ender performances - they were lucky to be in that one.
Second test they got hided.
Third test they have dominated days 1 & 2, and were marginally better on day 3 as well.  Clarke and Smith need to find a groove; they don't need 250 runs between them like they did in the first innings, but a 100 partnership would do an awful lot to cementing Australia's hold on this.
 
2013-08-04 10:22:10 AM
I wonder exactly what sort of a target Clarke is aiming for. He will want to keep England thinking they can win this so they play more positively, and potentially give more chances to the Aussies. But he won't want the target to be so small that England will easily cruise to it. I'm guessing rain is the wildcard in all of this too. If you thought you were going to lose 2 sessions to rain then you probably declare now and give them 60-70 overs on a wearing pitch to make 280ish. If you think you'll lose 1 session or less then try and time it to give them 90-100 overs to make somewhere in the 330-350 range. Make it attainable but difficult, but also 2nd guess the weather... it's a really tough call to make.
 
2013-08-04 10:23:50 AM

FrancoFile: If Australia lose this their morale is going to be absolutely shot.


If they draw this they lose the series.

And in the long run no one outside Australia would have a problem with them floundering around at #5 for the next few years.
 
2013-08-04 10:27:26 AM
That was terrible base running!  Oh man!
 
2013-08-04 10:29:18 AM
No such thing as a pretty run out.
 
2013-08-04 10:29:19 AM
That was bad.
 
2013-08-04 10:29:25 AM

chakas: I wonder exactly what sort of a target Clarke is aiming for. He will want to keep England thinking they can win this so they play more positively, and potentially give more chances to the Aussies. But he won't want the target to be so small that England will easily cruise to it. I'm guessing rain is the wildcard in all of this too. If you thought you were going to lose 2 sessions to rain then you probably declare now and give them 60-70 overs on a wearing pitch to make 280ish. If you think you'll lose 1 session or less then try and time it to give them 90-100 overs to make somewhere in the 330-350 range. Make it attainable but difficult, but also 2nd guess the weather... it's a really tough call to make.


My guess is he's thinking 330-350.
 
2013-08-04 10:31:13 AM
Rain stoppage, early tea.
 
2013-08-04 10:38:47 AM
Cricinfo commentary wondering if Clarke will come out after the rain/tea break. At the moment the target is just under 300 with a maximum just under 130 overs of play left. If they don't lose any time to rain I think that's a bit too generous a declaration, but I could see another 30min of batting for about 50 runs. And if they get bowled out for less than that going for quick runs, they'll still be in the ballpark of what they wanted.
 
2013-08-04 10:50:19 AM
Apparently this is the highest successful 4th innings chase at Old Trafford.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/engvnz/engine/match/296901.html

It is about what the target is now, but England were able to start their chase on day 3. So it isn't entirely comparable.
 
2013-08-04 10:52:06 AM
Bumble just told us during the tea break that the highest successful chase at Old Trafford was 294.  Australia will be happy with 330?
 
2013-08-04 10:56:00 AM

FrancoFile: Bumble just told us during the tea break that the highest successful chase at Old Trafford was 294.  Australia will be happy with 330?


Yeah, all up to Clarke now. He's out there in the middle, so it's pretty much all on his shoulders. The good thing is he's getting a pretty good 1st hand experience as to exactly how the pitch is playing at the moment, and how easy or hard it will be for England when they bat.
 
2013-08-04 11:08:04 AM
Clarke will settle for 350.
 
2013-08-04 11:10:06 AM
Beer snake! Pretty much all we are good at these days,
 
2013-08-04 11:19:54 AM

FrancoFile: That was terrible base running!  Oh man!


Wait a minute, base running?! Away with you.
 
2013-08-04 11:23:13 AM
Australia is doing a great job hitting right to England's fielders.
 
2013-08-04 11:23:41 AM

macadamnut: FrancoFile: That was terrible base running!  Oh man!

Wait a minute, base running?! Away with you.


Baseball reflex.  At least I use collective plural and say 'batsmen' instead of 'batter'
 
2013-08-04 11:29:10 AM
Off for light.  Clarke is pissed.
 
2013-08-04 11:38:54 AM
Well then. That's disappointing. Don't know what the chances are of them getting back on the field.

I know that the rules are written differently, but it probably looks a bit odd to the casual viewer that some forms of cricket can be played under lights at night, but tests can't be.
 
2013-08-04 11:40:15 AM

FrancoFile: Off for light.  Clarke is pissed.


I don't blame him, he needs another 120 overs. If the bad light is a "danger to the batsmen" and he doesn't mind the danger, let him go for it.

If it were tomorrow afternoon and the umpires saw a result an extra half hour, would the same standard apply I wonder?
 
2013-08-04 11:42:10 AM
So the flood lights are still warming up & that 8.9 could go up...
 
2013-08-04 11:53:09 AM
So, during the break I checked out the English domestic situation.  Derbyshire is probably going to get their first win of the season.  In 3 days.  Over second-place Sussex.
 
2013-08-04 12:39:36 PM
Standing water in the outfield, play called off for the day.  Dollar to donuts Australia declare overnight.
 
2013-08-04 12:47:39 PM
I guess they'll start 30 min early tomorrow. Hope to get a full day in + make up some extra time. But looks unlikely with the weather.
 
2013-08-04 04:10:49 PM
Sweet!
 
2013-08-05 06:41:26 AM
No thread up for the fifth day yet, but Cook is out plumb lbw. And he even wasted a review while he was at it!

Awesome.
 
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