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2013-08-04 03:51:45 PM  

wesmon: Umeraken Ideut: cameroncrazy1984: wesmon: Yeah. You can cite outliers all you want. Plenty more, like Russ Feingold in his day our Kucinich. But that isn't what the heart of the Dem party is. They are slaves to Wall Street and Big Business just like the Repubs.

Who is, precisely?

I keep asking, he won't tell.

Kinda funny how I started with the president and you conveniently ignored it.


You mean the President who signed and campaigned for healthcare reform which sees insurance premiums reduced? That President? The one who signed financial regulation that contained the setup for the consumer watchdog commission? That President? Are you kidding me?
 
2013-08-04 03:53:11 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: hardinparamedic: Neighborhood Watch: Planned Parenthood isn't big business?


What - you don't think Planned Parenthood is big business?  If not, what is it, then... an arm of the government?


The American wing of the International Planned Parenthood Foundation, and a 501 c3 not-for-profit Charitable organization?
 
2013-08-04 03:53:12 PM  

Umeraken Ideut: wesmon: Umeraken Ideut: cameroncrazy1984: wesmon: Yeah. You can cite outliers all you want. Plenty more, like Russ Feingold in his day our Kucinich. But that isn't what the heart of the Dem party is. They are slaves to Wall Street and Big Business just like the Repubs.

Who is, precisely?

I keep asking, he won't tell.

Kinda funny how I started with the president and you conveniently ignored it.

Dropping names aren't facts.

Boehner eats puppies. You can choose to ignore that or accept it as fact.


Right. Except I didn't just drop a name.I pointed out how he was pushing to get his Wall Street buddy as head of the Fed despite opposition from a few actually liberal Dems,
 
2013-08-04 03:55:58 PM  
Are they still farking that IRS chicken?
 
2013-08-04 03:56:53 PM  

wesmon: Except I didn't just drop a name.I pointed out how he was pushing to get his Wall Street buddy as head of the Fed despite opposition from a few actually liberal Dems


"Thinkin about nominating" != "pushing for"

And how do you reconcile that with the other stuff I mentioned?
 
2013-08-04 03:58:34 PM  

hardinparamedic: The American wing of the International Planned Parenthood Foundation, and a 501 c3 not-for-profit Charitable organization?



If you're saying that abortion is NOT big business in America, I'm going to laugh even harder.

As for your insinuation that Planned Parenthood 'makes no profit', that's even funnier still.
 
2013-08-04 03:59:28 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: If you're saying that abortion is NOT big business in America, I'm going to laugh even harder.

As for your insinuation that Planned Parenthood 'makes no profit', that's even funnier still.


i.istockimg.com

BAD TROLL, BAD!
 
2013-08-04 04:00:13 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: wesmon: Umeraken Ideut: cameroncrazy1984: wesmon: Yeah. You can cite outliers all you want. Plenty more, like Russ Feingold in his day our Kucinich. But that isn't what the heart of the Dem party is. They are slaves to Wall Street and Big Business just like the Repubs.

Who is, precisely?

I keep asking, he won't tell.

Kinda funny how I started with the president and you conveniently ignored it.

You mean the President who signed and campaigned for healthcare reform which sees insurance premiums reduced? That President? The one who signed financial regulation that contained the setup for the consumer watchdog commission? That President? Are you kidding me?



The healthcare bill basically sucks. Sure it is better than where we were before, but that isn't saying much. Obama took single-payer off the table before he started to appease the lobbyists.

As far as financial regulation goes, sorry but Obama is totally in the back pocket of Wall Street. The commission is a joke and all the major players in the financial meltdown have walked scot-free while there has been no real reform of the laws governing our financial system.
 
2013-08-04 04:01:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I think a bunch of people are about to learn that you can't just claim tax-free status without scrutiny.


It's like that time I applied for a 3 million dollar grant, and no one bothered to examine my theories or verify that I was a professor. Why shouldn't I be able to avoid paying taxes without scrutiny? Sheesh you people are totally unreasonable.
 
2013-08-04 04:08:21 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: wesmon: Except I didn't just drop a name.I pointed out how he was pushing to get his Wall Street buddy as head of the Fed despite opposition from a few actually liberal Dems

"Thinkin about nominating" != "pushing for"

And how do you reconcile that with the other stuff I mentioned?


Thinking about nominating doesn't fit in with the facts I am afraid.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/31/larry-summers-obama_n_368290 8 .html ">Link

Obama is pushing hard for this guy and it fits right in to his coziness with Wall Street.
 
2013-08-04 04:24:45 PM  

Fart_Machine: Are they still farking that IRS chicken?


Do republicans ever stop farking their chickens?
 
2013-08-04 04:32:09 PM  

wesmon: The healthcare bill basically sucks. Sure it is better than where we were before, but that isn't saying much. Obama took single-payer off the table before he started to appease the lobbyists


Okay, you thinking it sucks doesn't mean that Obama is in the tank for big business.

wesmon: As far as financial regulation goes, sorry but Obama is totally in the back pocket of Wall Street


Based on what?

wesmon: The commission is a joke and all the major players in the financial meltdown have walked scot-free while there has been no real reform of the laws governing our financial system


Are you saying that CDSs are non-regulated? Please go inform yourself, because you look like an idiot.
 
2013-08-04 04:32:36 PM  

Surool: Fart_Machine: Are they still farking that IRS chicken?

Do republicans ever stop farking their chickens?


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Meet your 2016 Republican Presidential Candidate.
 
2013-08-04 04:34:07 PM  

wesmon: cameroncrazy1984: wesmon: Umeraken Ideut: cameroncrazy1984: wesmon: Yeah. You can cite outliers all you want. Plenty more, like Russ Feingold in his day our Kucinich. But that isn't what the heart of the Dem party is. They are slaves to Wall Street and Big Business just like the Repubs.

Who is, precisely?

I keep asking, he won't tell.

Kinda funny how I started with the president and you conveniently ignored it.

You mean the President who signed and campaigned for healthcare reform which sees insurance premiums reduced? That President? The one who signed financial regulation that contained the setup for the consumer watchdog commission? That President? Are you kidding me?


The healthcare bill basically sucks. Sure it is better than where we were before, but that isn't saying much. Obama took single-payer off the table before he started to appease the lobbyists.

As far as financial regulation goes, sorry but Obama is totally in the back pocket of Wall Street. The commission is a joke and all the major players in the financial meltdown have walked scot-free while there has been no real reform of the laws governing our financial system.


I suppose you're of the opinion that the GOP would have done better on these issues.
 
2013-08-04 04:38:39 PM  
maybe you progressive rocket scientists can answer this question... why did president obama express outrage and condemn the actions of the irs when the ig report was first released? and what has changed that he's now calling it a phony scandal?
 
2013-08-04 04:40:49 PM  

the_dude_abides: why did president obama express outrage and condemn the actions of the irs when the ig report was first released? and what has changed that he's now calling it a phony scandal?


The information that we learned concerning A) What the committee actually asked of the IG (Issa only asked them to report on conservative groups) and B) what the groups were actually doing.

It's strange how opinions can change when more information is revealed, isn't it?
 
2013-08-04 04:41:06 PM  

the_dude_abides: maybe you progressive rocket scientists can answer this question... why did president obama express outrage and condemn the actions of the irs when the ig report was first released? and what has changed that he's now calling it a phony scandal?


Are you for real
 
2013-08-04 04:45:02 PM  
Could someone do me a solid and de-sister-farkify the high points, I'm not clicking on townhall.
 
2013-08-04 05:02:11 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: the_dude_abides: why did president obama express outrage and condemn the actions of the irs when the ig report was first released? and what has changed that he's now calling it a phony scandal?

The information that we learned concerning A) What the committee actually asked of the IG (Issa only asked them to report on conservative groups) and B) what the groups were actually doing.

It's strange how opinions can change when more information is revealed, isn't it?


Yeah, I already replied to him with that exact sentiment. It's the Right way... Your argument is show down, so pretend not to notice and keep making it!
 
2013-08-04 05:08:11 PM  

Surool: Fart_Machine: Are they still farking that IRS chicken?

Do republicans ever stop farking their chickens?


Don't fark your chickens before they're hatched.
 
2013-08-04 05:14:45 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The information that we learned concerning A) What the committee actually asked of the IG (Issa only asked them to report on conservative groups) and B) what the groups were actually doing.

It's strange how opinions can change when more information is revealed, isn't it?


there's no new information to absolve the irs of improper behavior.

here's president obama on the irs scandal when it was first reported: "And this is pretty straightforward. If in fact IRS personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on, and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous. And there's no place for it."

the ig report proves the irs did in fact do the things that were being alleged. so according to the president, "that's outrageous and there's no place for it"

here's jay carney speaking 4 days ago: "And when it comes to the IRS, as I said the other morning, the President made very clear that he will -- that he wants the new leadership there to take action to correct improper conduct, and that is happening and he expects results."

so again, president thinks irs conduct was improper. he thought so when it was first reported and according to carney, he thinks the same thing right now. so again, what new information? why are people like yourself still pretending that the irs was only doing its job? and more impprtantly, why is the administration now trying to push a narrative that it's a "phony scandal" when they admit in the same breath that the irs behaved improperly by targeting conservatives?
 
2013-08-04 05:25:46 PM  

hardinparamedic: Neighborhood Watch: If you're saying that abortion is NOT big business in America, I'm going to laugh even harder.

As for your insinuation that Planned Parenthood 'makes no profit', that's even funnier still.

[i.istockimg.com image 380x295]

BAD TROLL, BAD!


Wait.  You do realize that you selectively ignored about 20 perfectly cromulent examples of big business that NW delineated regarding "who is big business and supports Democrats?", and you've done nothing since but post crap, pure crap, and crap that's unadulteratedly lame and ignorant.  You realize that, correct?  Having written that to you, let me get this thread back on track.  Odds are very good that the Obama reelection campaign, did, in fact, abuse the power of the IRS to harass conservative campaigning and conservative focus on all issues conservative.  You realize that too, correct?  Now, having had the 2000 and 2004 elections go the way they did, and because of the sad state of "politics" in this country today, do you actually find this surprising?
 
2013-08-04 05:41:58 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Impartial Townhall  Obama's Serious Third Reich YEAH I DONE GOT INTO KITTYPIE'S HALLUCINOGENIC CANDY STASH AGAIN AND STARTED EATING THE GREEN M&Ms dammit


But who was phone?
 
2013-08-04 05:44:50 PM  

epoch_destroi: [www.capitolhilldaily.com image 850x540]


Every president has scandals, every one of them lies. To impeach they must commit a crime, which crime has Obama committed? It needs to be a good lie too, no lies about a blow job. Something like lying to start a war that gets US Soldiers killed.... oh wait..
 
2013-08-04 05:54:49 PM  

Tman144: I say it again, even though I know no one cares, but the tea party groups weren't avoiding paying taxes. Political groups are tax exempt. What they were doing was avoiding having to disclose their donors. Every time I read one of those posts, I hear future Biff say, "You sound like a damn fool when you say it wrong!"


You can say that all you'd like, but it doesn't make it true. The issue is their filing under a tax exempt status--oddly enough, political parties ARE subject to taxes. The particular status that they filed for was for non-political activities, and likewise, such non-profits ARE subject to taxes on unrelated business income. That they REALLY don't want to disclose who their donors are IS a big issue, but it is likewise that their entire reason for filing for their particular status was essentially based on fraud, and essentially using their organizations as a conduit for cash for various folks, and in a fairly transparent fashion, while likewise engaging in activities outside the scope of their claimed purpose.

It was a tax dodge, and a way to fund folks for offices, or pay back "consultants" and others for a job well done, and the louder and longer they bray about how terrible it was to be targeted, the greater the chance of the jig being up, and their "clever" plan will be ruined. Or Roo-iiined, if you'd rather.
 
2013-08-04 06:05:34 PM  

the_dude_abides: "And when it comes to the IRS, as I said the other morning, the President made very clear that he will -- that he wants the new leadership there to take action to correct improper conduct, and that is happening and he expects results."


"take action to correct improper conduct"

It doesn't say what conduct specifically. It doesn't even mention the IG report.
 
2013-08-04 06:10:44 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: democrat party


DRINK!
 
2013-08-04 06:10:58 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: stoli n coke: Your proof is a Pajamas Media post?


Huh?

My 'proof' is the what the IRS submitted to congress.  Look it up for yourself.


Ah, a link to a Yahoo news post. Even better proof.
 
2013-08-04 06:22:31 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: hardinparamedic: The American wing of the International Planned Parenthood Foundation, and a 501 c3 not-for-profit Charitable organization?


If you're saying that abortion is NOT big business in America, I'm going to laugh even harder.

As for your insinuation that Planned Parenthood 'makes no profit', that's even funnier still.


Abortion is big business?  OK, let's accept that arguendo.  How do you think that comes about?

(1) Abstinence-only edumakashun and defunding Planned Parenthood
lead to
(2) more young women getting pregnant with babies they can't afford
so they either
(3) seek an abortion,
or
(4) go on public assistance.

If the Theocrat Republican Party would back off on (1), there'd be a lot less of (3) and (4).  But they'd have to tell Pat Robertson to go to hell.  The Theocrat Party is not willing to tell Pat Robertson to go to hell.
 
2013-08-04 06:30:38 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Neighborhood Watch: hardinparamedic: The American wing of the International Planned Parenthood Foundation, and a 501 c3 not-for-profit Charitable organization?


If you're saying that abortion is NOT big business in America, I'm going to laugh even harder.

As for your insinuation that Planned Parenthood 'makes no profit', that's even funnier still.

Abortion is big business?  OK, let's accept that arguendo.  How do you think that comes about?

(1) Abstinence-only edumakashun and defunding Planned Parenthood
lead to
(2) more young women getting pregnant with babies they can't afford
so they either
(3) seek an abortion,
or
(4) go on public assistance.

If the Theocrat Republican Party would back off on (1), there'd be a lot less of (3) and (4).  But they'd have to tell Pat Robertson to go to hell.  The Theocrat Party is not willing to tell Pat Robertson to go to hell.


You're doing it too.  NW lined up about 20 excellent examples of other Democrat big business strongholds.  Abortion is what it is.  You just go ahead and keep trying to pretend that you're "winning" this losing effort of yours by diverting NW's attention from the fact that he/she lined up an excellent argument point that showed huge big business interests that are Democrat..  Go right ahead.  You get to do that.  But you are only fooling yourself.  This thread is about the IRS, the FEC, and the very real potential that the Obama reelection campaign grossly abused the powers of those institutions in a partisan regime manner.  But you do realize this, correct?  I'm sure that you can wait for one of the endless abortion issue threads to talk at length about abortion and your liberally slanted views on it, right?
 
2013-08-04 07:07:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: "take action to correct improper conduct"

It doesn't say what conduct specifically. It doesn't even mention the IG report.


wow... really? that's your defense? playing stupid and acting like you don't know what obama's talking about?

let me save you the trouble, the conduct he's referring to is the improper irs targeting of conservatives. now that we got that out of the way, please continue...
 
2013-08-04 07:18:47 PM  

cameroncrazy1984:

GeneralJim: The Obama campaign attacks AIP, which already had 501(c)(4) status, and then, once Obama is President, the IRS illegally gives AIP's tax information to the FEC for investigation.  That's NOT about applying for tax-free status, and the article doesn't even mention applications.  Try being less of a Democrat tool.

If GWB had ordered the IRS to give MoveOn.org's tax information illegally to the FEC, and ordered the FEC to investigate MoveOn.org, it would have been the greatest abuse of power in American history.


Except that none of what you say is true. Much like in AGW threads! At least you're consistent. Hey, also, Bush DID investigate the NAACP because he didn't like what their president said about Bush.
So "nuh-uh" is your argument?  You forgot "neener, neener."  Whatever.  If your bizarre claim about GWB having IRS records for the NAACP sent to an investigative agency, bring the information -- but wait for it to dry, first.  TFA is all about Obama's dorking with the AIP illegally.

And, before you start your "It's not from my preferred echo chamber" dance, Townhall is simply reporting what the Wall Street Journal reported.  It IS just like in AGW threads -- I provide what NASA said in the 1970s, and what they say now, and claim (which is obviously true) that they are talking about the past differently now than they were in the 1970s.  You say "nuh-uh," and then, in future threads, that my points were "debunked."  I think you need to look up the definition of "debunk" there, Sparky.

 
2013-08-04 07:23:18 PM  

ScaryBottles: Could someone do me a solid and de-sister-farkify the high points, I'm not clicking on townhall.


Fartbama is pure evil and must be impeached because of reasons.
 
2013-08-04 07:29:28 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: ScaryBottles: Could someone do me a solid and de-sister-farkify the high points, I'm not clicking on townhall.

Fartbama is pure evil and must be impeached because of reasons.


So the usual?
 
2013-08-04 07:51:20 PM  

GeneralJim: So "nuh-uh" is your argument?


Yes, in the sense that "that never happened."

What's next, you being right about something for once?
 
2013-08-04 08:00:38 PM  

Neighborhood Watch:

stoli n coke: Your proof is a Pajamas Media post?

Huh?

My 'proof' is the what the IRS submitted to congress.  Look it up for yourself.
Hey, the evidence doesn't matter -- if it is NOT reported in right-wing media, the left-wing MSM won't report it, so it never happened.  And, if the right-wing media DOES report it, apparently that makes the AP or WSJ story false.  Ta-dah!   The Media Aristocrats!
 
2013-08-04 08:10:09 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: ScaryBottles: Could someone do me a solid and de-sister-farkify the high points, I'm not clicking on townhall.

Fartbama is pure evil and must be impeached because of reasons.


And also therefore and comma.
 
2013-08-04 08:10:20 PM  

Umeraken Ideut:

No, it was always all of those things. Information trickles, it does not flow. The story never changed, just the available information. And at this point, given the information amassed, it turns out it IS a phony scandal that just needs to go away. We saw the same thing with Benghazi, but you people learn nothing
Just keep yelling "phony scandal about both the IRS and Benghazi... and whatever else turns up."  That'll work.   And....

media.247sports.com

 
2013-08-04 08:13:48 PM  

Linux_Yes:

well, i've always heard that both a republican and a democrat will steal a hot stove, except the republican will wear gloves.
This is the first theft-worthy thing I've seen you write.  Congratulations!
 
2013-08-04 08:48:09 PM  

Umeraken Ideut:

Dropping names aren't facts.

Boehner eats puppies. You can choose to ignore that or accept it as fact.
Actually, that was Obama...
 
2013-08-04 08:55:00 PM  

ScaryBottles:

Could someone do me a solid and de-sister-farkify the high points, I'm not clicking on townhall.
Don't worry your pretty little head -- I just clicked on it 25 times in your honor.
 
2013-08-04 08:56:45 PM  

Majick Thise:

ClownHall? Nope. Won't even click...
You, too -- you're responsible for 25 clicks.
 
2013-08-04 09:00:21 PM  

47 is the new 42:

I almost made the mistake of clicking on the link, but then I realized it was a Town Hall link.
Alrighty, then, twenty-five clicks on Townhall for you, too.
 
2013-08-04 09:11:01 PM  

hubiestubert:

You can say that all you'd like, but it doesn't make it true. The issue is their filing under a tax exempt status--oddly enough, political parties ARE subject to taxes. The particular status that they filed for was for non-political activities, and likewise, such non-profits ARE subject to taxes on unrelated business income. That they REALLY don't want to disclose who their donors are IS a big issue, but it is likewise that their entire reason for filing for their particular status was essentially based on fraud, and essentially using their organizations as a conduit for cash for various folks, and in a fairly transparent fashion, while likewise engaging in activities outside the scope of their claimed purpose.

The article is NOT about the problems conservative groups are having getting 501(c)(4) certified.
.

thumbs.dreamstime.com

 
2013-08-04 09:45:51 PM  

cameroncrazy1984:

GeneralJim: So "nuh-uh" is your argument?

Yes, in the sense that "that never happened."

What's next, you being right about something for once?
Meh.  The first time I was right on Fark was over seven years ago.

And, it never happened, huh?  Well then, what was Official Liar Carney talking about when he said "And when it comes to the IRS, as I said the other morning, the President made very clear that he will -- that he wants the new leadership there to take action to correct improper conduct, and that is happening and he expects results."I mean, the President is replacing IRS leadership over it, and the "improper conduct" will be corrected...  and YOU are denying it happened?  When the President is admitting that your talking points are crap, you REALLY need to update them.  Or are you this delusional on your own?



www.gifsforum.com

 
2013-08-04 09:47:58 PM  
This thread turned green dildos pretty damn quickly.
 
2013-08-04 09:59:30 PM  
Holy Christ.  GeneralJim just took a gigantic threadshiat.
 
2013-08-04 10:29:08 PM  

lantawa: NW lined up about 20 excellent examples of other Democrat big business strongholds.


Which totally PWN our elected officials, while Northrup Grumman, Monsanto, ExxonMobil the Koch brothers and Pat Robertson can't get the time of day.

And yes, theocracy is very big business, and one that doesn't pay taxes to boot.

I'm sure that you can wait for one of the endless abortion issue threads to talk at length about abortion and your liberally slanted views on it, right?

You accuse me of "liberally slanted views" like it's a bad thing.

i484.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-04 10:35:51 PM  
Good lord, this thread is a Superfund site of toxic derp.
 
2013-08-04 10:36:04 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: lantawa: NW lined up about 20 excellent examples of other Democrat big business strongholds.

Which totally PWN our elected officials, while Northrup Grumman, Monsanto, ExxonMobil the Koch brothers and Pat Robertson can't get the time of day.

And yes, theocracy is very big business, and one that doesn't pay taxes to boot.

I'm sure that you can wait for one of the endless abortion issue threads to talk at length about abortion and your liberally slanted views on it, right?

You accuse me of "liberally slanted views" like it's a bad thing.

[i484.photobucket.com image 391x390]


I wonder if he's NW's main. Either that, or he's hoping to get some sexual play out of being his white knight.
 
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