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2013-08-04 02:41:13 AM
Zip it subby. jeezus.
 
2013-08-04 04:57:42 AM
Right on subby. But I bet Axl was 3 hours late... the dick.
I saw iron maiden last night. I think I'm deaf.
 
2013-08-04 07:39:06 AM
Awesome album. What does Kurt Cobain have to do with anything?
 
2013-08-04 08:43:31 AM
Well, to be fair, I recall Courtney Love was pretty well wrecked before Kurt Cobain came along.

/what?
//oh... nevermind... hehh
 
2013-08-04 08:50:00 AM
Everyone knows Warrant and that cherry pie was the jump the shark moment of the 80s hair band.

Cobain was an effect not a cause, revisionist you are being.
 
2013-08-04 09:23:24 AM

texanjeff: Everyone knows Warrant and that cherry pie was the jump the shark moment of the 80s hair band.

Cobain was an effect not a cause, revisionist you are being.


Cobain was inevitable. Not him specifically but someone from that "college radio" (to use the common 80's term) mass of bands that were bubbling under the surface since around 1985 was going to get huge - it was (and probably should have been) Jane's Addiction or Fishbone, but they imploded (the Fishbone story is really really sad - there's a documentary about it that's interesting) when they finally started to break through. Mary's Danish had a lot of buzz but their record company killed their careers at the time when they should have been getting national attention. Then there's the Pumpkins, Throwing Muses, Screaming Trees and the other Seattle bands that started to make headway just months before Teen Spirit hit.


/tldr - Nirvana managed to avoid imploding and Cobain knew how to make a pop song sound like a punk song but the 80's pop/commercial metal juggernauts had been smelling rotten for some time and everyone knew it
 
2013-08-04 09:23:54 AM

Slaxl: Right on subby. But I bet Axl was 3 hours late... the dick.
I saw iron maiden last night. I think I'm deaf.


UP THE IRONS!
 
2013-08-04 10:12:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvVc0icLa-E

"Welcome....jungle....worse....day....*huff huff huff*"
 
2013-08-04 10:16:01 AM
Before Cobain put a bullet in crappy glam rock's skull.
 
2013-08-04 10:20:11 AM

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2013-08-04 10:31:33 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Before Cobain put a bullet in

yeaaaa...

 
2013-08-04 10:31:52 AM
What's funny is that all the hair bands are still playing and Nirvana's long gone.
 
2013-08-04 10:44:23 AM

aspAddict: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvVc0icLa-E

"Welcome....jungle....worse....day....*huff huff huff*"


That. was. Brutal.... But like a train wreak, I watched more of that then I should have.
 
2013-08-04 10:56:06 AM

LewDux: PC LOAD LETTER: Before Cobain put a bullet in crappy glam rock's skull.

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Oh definitely it was a mercy killing. I used to say that HM and Glam Rock suffered a long debilitating illness before finally succumbing to Nirvana.
 
2013-08-04 11:18:45 AM

Slaxl: Right on subby. But I bet Axl was 3 hours late... the dick.
I saw iron maiden last night. I think I'm deaf.




Power ballad died, for a while.

Oh so gay.
 
2013-08-04 11:31:31 AM

Snapper Carr: Cobain was inevitable. Not him specifically but someone from that "college radio" (to use the common 80's term) mass of bands that were bubbling under the surface since around 1985 was going to get huge - it was (and probably should have been) Jane's Addiction or Fishbone, but they imploded (the Fishbone story is really really sad - there's a documentary about it that's interesting) when they finally started to break through.


I doubt that Fishbone would ever have hit it big, mainstream-wise.  Not that they shouldn't have, but I just don't know that the pop world had/has quite the palate for their stuff.  (I think the doc. is "Everyday Sunshine: The Story of Fishbone" if anyone's interested.)

Snapper Carr: the 80's pop/commercial metal juggernauts had been smelling rotten for some time and everyone knew it


See: Kix
 
2013-08-04 11:32:43 AM
Also, Got Me Bonin', just so you know.
 
2013-08-04 11:51:14 AM

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Oh definitely it was a mercy killing. I used to say that HM and Glam Rock suffered a long debilitating illness before finally succumbing to Nirvana.


Hair Metal laid a rotten egg that stank for 20 years
 
2013-08-04 11:51:41 AM

ten foiled hats: Snapper Carr: Cobain was inevitable. Not him specifically but someone from that "college radio" (to use the common 80's term) mass of bands that were bubbling under the surface since around 1985 was going to get huge - it was (and probably should have been) Jane's Addiction or Fishbone, but they imploded (the Fishbone story is really really sad - there's a documentary about it that's interesting) when they finally started to break through.

I doubt that Fishbone would ever have hit it big, mainstream-wise.  Not that they shouldn't have, but I just don't know that the pop world had/has quite the palate for their stuff.  (I think the doc. is "Everyday Sunshine: The Story of Fishbone" if anyone's interested.)


I think it would have hinged on Dowd. Losing Jones was a blow but Dowd gave them the songs that made them palatable to a major label
 
2013-08-04 11:58:40 AM
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2013-08-04 12:00:39 PM
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2013-08-04 12:03:53 PM

Snapper Carr: I think it would have hinged on Dowd. Losing Jones was a blow but Dowd gave them the songs that made them palatable to a major label


Oh, to a major, absolutely.  And by no means were they a small, lesser known band when it was all said and done.  I just don't think they were ever going to hit that level of ubiquity that Teen Spirit (or November Rain, for that matter) had.

Unrelated to above, but for the purposes of this thread, I think a solid argument could be made that Appetite For Destruction drove more nails into hair metal's coffin than Nevermind ever did.  (You may agree, going from your previous posts.  Or you could argue, validly, that that weak sh*t killed itself.  And other than a bit of fuzzy nostalgia, it's really not missed.  Points for the fuzzy nostalgia, though.)
 
2013-08-04 12:08:47 PM

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Actually, it's widely believed that gnr put away the glam metal. The scene when they came on was motley Crüe, poison, ratt, etc. very polished glam rock. Guns was very raw and aggressive. Sure grunge was coming. But without gnr rock would have died years before it actually did. I think subby was referencing the small feud between axl and cobain..and cobains son?? Imho
 
2013-08-04 12:22:37 PM
Glam Rock - early-mid 70's UK movement
Glam/Hair Metal - late 70s-early 90's US movement

Not on Fark I guess
 
2013-08-04 12:34:40 PM

ten foiled hats: Snapper Carr: I think it would have hinged on Dowd. Losing Jones was a blow but Dowd gave them the songs that made them palatable to a major label

Oh, to a major, absolutely.  And by no means were they a small, lesser known band when it was all said and done.  I just don't think they were ever going to hit that level of ubiquity that Teen Spirit (or November Rain, for that matter) had.

Unrelated to above, but for the purposes of this thread, I think a solid argument could be made that Appetite For Destruction drove more nails into hair metal's coffin than Nevermind ever did.  (You may agree, going from your previous posts.


A lot of mainstream metalheads had started to lose interest by the time that Appetite came out- bands that we used to idolize (Maiden, Priest, Ozzy, etc) and it seemed like there was a rather rapid shift to heavier, "extreme" genres (thrash, the burgeoning death and black metal stuff that was starting to circulate),

I do remember though that Appetite was probably the last radio friendly album that wouldn't get you sneered at by my peer group at the time (along with Mindcrime)
 
2013-08-04 12:44:48 PM
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2013-08-04 12:57:32 PM

Snapper Carr: A lot of mainstream metalheads had started to lose interest by the time that Appetite came out- bands that we used to idolize (Maiden, Priest, Ozzy, etc) and it seemed like there was a rather rapid shift to heavier, "extreme" genres (thrash, the burgeoning death and black metal stuff that was starting to circulate),

I do remember though that Appetite was probably the last radio friendly album that wouldn't get you sneered at by my peer group at the time (along with Mindcrime)


You may have a couple of years on me, or I may have just been listening to sh*tty hair metal, but yeah, the heshers I knew were off into Anthrax and the like a good bit before Appetite came out.  Pre-"black album" Metallica and what not.  For me, Appetite kind of shook things up.  I think it did that for a lot of general/generic mainstream rock fans.  Maybe not so much for the metal crowd, per se, but just your average rock radio listener.  (Of course, shortly thereafter I discovered Fugazi and Public Enemy and the paradigm shifted dramatically.)

No Queensryche?
 
2013-08-04 01:07:27 PM

JerkyMeat: Zip it subby. jeezus.


this
 
2013-08-04 01:21:06 PM
Axl rose had more to do with the downfall of GnR than everybody else in the world combined
 
2013-08-04 01:23:36 PM

ten foiled hats: No Queensryche?


Up to Empire, hell yes. Couldn't get into Empire. One or two solid songs but after the brilliance of Mindcrime, it was a letdown especially when I could listen to Voivod, Fates Warning or Death and get intelligent complex but much heavier metal than anything QR had done.
 
2013-08-04 02:11:40 PM
Am I the only one who realized the link title is a quote from The Wrestler?
 
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2013-08-04 03:35:39 PM

Slaxl: Right on subby. But I bet Axl was 3 hours late... the dick.
I saw iron maiden last night. I think I'm deaf.


i saw gnr open for iron maiden.....thought gnr sucked.
 
2013-08-04 04:09:04 PM
People who regard G&R as the "real deal" and give them all kinds of street cred are totally ignorant.

G&R was PURE FABRICATION from the get-go.
They were not some "indy" band from nowhere that "burst onto the scene" all the sudden
They had big money behind them all the time from the onset.
They were molded to look like an independent band with modest beginnings. Pure bunk.

That whole initial "straight from re-hab" gimmick was just that. A gimmick.

If you like them....fine. Just stop giving them so much undeserved credit. G&R is pure recycled posturing for clueless fans.

....NO...I am NOT an anguished Cobain fan.
 
2013-08-04 04:13:01 PM

craigdamage: They had big money behind them all the time from the onset.


Where did you get that?
 
2013-08-04 05:37:55 PM

craigdamage: People who regard G&R as the "real deal" and give them all kinds of street cred are totally ignorant.

G&R was PURE FABRICATION from the get-go.
They were not some "indy" band from nowhere that "burst onto the scene" all the sudden
They had big money behind them all the time from the onset.
They were molded to look like an independent band with modest beginnings. Pure bunk.

That whole initial "straight from re-hab" gimmick was just that. A gimmick.

If you like them....fine. Just stop giving them so much undeserved credit. G&R is pure recycled posturing for clueless fans.

....NO...I am NOT an anguished Cobain fan.


What a load of crap. You're an idiot.
 
2013-08-04 05:53:45 PM

craigdamage: People who regard G&R as the "real deal" and give them all kinds of street cred are totally ignorant.

G&R was PURE FABRICATION from the get-go.
They were not some "indy" band from nowhere that "burst onto the scene" all the sudden
They had big money behind them all the time from the onset.
They were molded to look like an independent band with modest beginnings. Pure bunk.

That whole initial "straight from re-hab" gimmick was just that. A gimmick.

If you like them....fine. Just stop giving them so much undeserved credit. G&R is pure recycled posturing for clueless fans.

....NO...I am NOT an anguished Cobain fan.


I know bands like that exist, but never heard that in regards to G 'N R.
Got a link with info?
 
2013-08-04 05:58:02 PM

zvoidx: I know bands like that exist, but never heard that in regards to G 'N R.
Got a link with info?


If he's referring to their record label promoting their album, well, yeah.  That's kind of a big part of what they do.  Other than that, I don't know, maybe he has them confused with N'Sync or something.
 
2013-08-04 06:17:42 PM

ten foiled hats: If he's referring to their record label promoting their album, well, yeah.  That's kind of a big part of what they do.  Other than that, I don't know, maybe he has them confused with N'Sync or something.


Well of course but they had to get signed first and from everything I've read about them, wasn't easy.
 
2013-08-04 06:41:38 PM

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2013-08-04 07:13:46 PM

Mugato: ten foiled hats: If he's referring to their record label promoting their album, well, yeah.  That's kind of a big part of what they do.  Other than that, I don't know, maybe he has them confused with N'Sync or something.

Well of course but they had to get signed first and from everything I've read about them, wasn't easy.


No, I know, that's what I mean.  I don't know what the guy's talking about.  They were on a major label, and that major label promoted them.  They promote everyone.  That's the only "big money behind them" I can think of, but hell, that puts them on the level of...every other band.  Those poseurs?
 
2013-08-04 07:17:54 PM
Listening to this, you can really tell how important Izzy was to the GnR sound. While Slash is out there flashy, the backbone is really provided by Stradlin.

Adler is arguably also very important. His loose, jazzy style fits the songs of the first album so much better than Sorem's clinical treatment of them.
 
2013-08-04 07:37:21 PM
Before Cobain came around a saved it all
 
2013-08-04 07:41:18 PM

wemedge: Before Cobain came around a saved it all


You sound angsty.
 
2013-08-04 07:44:15 PM
That's for this. I'm watching it off my Xbox so I can jam it off my audio system.
 
2013-08-04 09:49:22 PM
Faith No More is also high under credited for the huge change in music in the late 80s early 90s..

Edge Of The World on Yo MTV Raps:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUkYJKxhUJ0
 
2013-08-04 10:00:24 PM
If you think Nirvana revolutionized music, you either
a)  Weren't alive then
OR
b)  Were in a coma.

Having said that, I like Nirvana -- I think they're a great band.  I also deeply hate GnR (always have).
 
2013-08-04 11:00:34 PM
Hole put out a lot of great music.
 
2013-08-04 11:17:47 PM

KrispyKritter: Hole put out a lot of great music.


The first two albums were good, but Kurt Cobain probably wrote all or most of Live Through This.

And, not so good was Celebrity Skin, written by Billy Corgan.
 
2013-08-04 11:19:05 PM

Blink: If you think Nirvana revolutionized music, you either
a)  Weren't alive then
OR
b)  Were in a coma.

Having said that, I like Nirvana -- I think they're a great band.  I also deeply hate GnR (always have).


I disagree. Nirvana totally revived the punk spirit back into the mainstream.
 
2013-08-04 11:20:17 PM

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