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2013-08-03 11:51:34 PM

TheJoe03: They can't even acknowledge their homeless problem, weird kind of denial up there. I was told that the yuppies up there actually think San Jose is "ghetto", so they don't have a grip on reality.


San Francisco and San Jose do have one thing in common.  San Jose has a problem with homeless encampments that went largely ignored until Caltrans cleared the one under the CA-87/I-280 interchange (I think it happened this year?), and the former residents moved to an empty field next door to the airport--a much more visible location.

I don't know what happened after that, but I don't think they all moved to that field.  In the following weeks, I also ran into homeless people near the Sunnyvale Caltrain station (a man sleeping on the Mathilda overpass) and the Rivermark in Santa Clara (an old woman collecting garbage).  Prior to that, I had never seen people on the streets of those cities who were obviously homeless.
 
2013-08-03 11:53:35 PM

100 Watt Walrus: HTML fail. I'll restate here for the sake of clarifying which part of my reply above was mine:

Or maybe...just maybe...the station prefers to make an official statement about the crime at hand, rather than having every camera man and reporter making their own statements to other press.

You deserve to be farkied as an astounding nitwit for assuming "his station would not authorize him to speak publicly" translates as "his station doesn't want him saying the perps were black."


Wouldn't it make for a nice exclusive to have their camera people speaking in the station on the robbery, though? Also, wouldn't releasing descriptions help capture the perps?

I can find more info on most stories out there, yet not this one, or any of the related crimes. One person spoke out saying his station wasn't allowing him to speak on the matter, despite it being better than a lot of the tripe being reported these days. Is there a different conclusion I should be drawing here on all of the above?
 
2013-08-03 11:55:08 PM

100 Watt Walrus: Also...

Vector R: ...complete with pictures of robbed camera people...

Wrong. The caption clearly states the image is a FILE PHOTO of a film crew from a DIFFERENT STATION. And, BTW, the reporter shown in that photo has not been reported as being involved in any of these incidents.


My bad, I didn't catch that part.
 
2013-08-03 11:55:49 PM

Vector R: I can find more info on most stories out there, yet not this one, or any of the related crimes. One person spoke out saying his station wasn't allowing him to speak on the matter, despite it being better than a lot of the tripe being reported these days. Is there a different conclusion I should be drawing here on all of the above?


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2013-08-03 11:57:00 PM

meyerkev: Meanwhile, I've had friends tell me in all seriousness (while living in Mountain View) that Sunnyvale is really ghetto because there are "lots of Mexicans".


Wow, Sunnyvale is the definition of boring and suburban, these yuppies are out of their minds. They'd probably shiat themselves if they went to Eastside SJ, let alone Oakland or Richmond.
 
2013-08-04 12:00:16 AM
I think this thread deserves a musical break.

You're welcome.
 
2013-08-04 12:00:25 AM

meyerkev: TheJoe03: RussianPooper: Sitting in my loft in Oakland, so I'm getting a kick...


It's easy to know the bad areas. Stay out of them. San Francisco has bad areas, but they like to act as though they don't. Anyone care for a stroll in Hunter's Point?

They can't even acknowledge their homeless problem, weird kind of denial up there. I was told that the yuppies up there actually think San Jose is "ghetto", so they don't have a grip on reality.

I must say that having moved here from the Detroit area, it's really weird to hear the difference between the use of the word "ghetto".

Ghetto in Detroit means this:  http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/09/20/google-maps-catches-teens-with - gun/

Meanwhile, I've had friends tell me in all seriousness (while living in Mountain View) that Sunnyvale is really ghetto because there are "lots of Mexicans".


I've been told that my area, near the town of Sonoma north of San Francisco, is "really ghetto" because there are lots of Hispanics, and this is a very, very quiet place. I've been here thirty years, and its only gotten *quieter*. There used to be two bars, one next door and one within a block of me, in my residential neighborhood, but over the years, apparently because of re-zoning, the bars disappeared and an up-scale B&B/restaurant went in next door. Still get considered "ghetto"...weird.

Especially when I compare it to Oakland. We used to have to go to Kaiser in Oakland years ago, and we drove scared as hell through some horrible areas before we hit the hospital and the nice neighborhood surrounding it. Often wanted to try the "soul food" or "Chicken and Catfish" restaurants we passed, but we didn't dare get out of the car. *Those* scary areas I would think would be more "ghetto" than mine.

The worst that will happen up here is you die of boredom.
 
2013-08-04 12:02:18 AM
Vector R:

I fancy myself pretty good at this, and yet here's the best I can give you:

Slightly more detailed article, complete with pictures of robbed camera people: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/KGO-TV-crew-robbed-in-Oakland-4 7 04823.php

NY times articles about the rash of Oakland news crew robberies over the past few months: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/business/media/photojournalists-in- o akland-face-epidemic-of-camera-robberies.html?pagewanted=all

The latter article even had this gem: ""We're not going to go door to door anymore," said a television reporter who spoke on the condition of anonymity because his station would not authorize him to speak publ ...


So, the answer is a firm no. No, you can't find anywhere that indicates the race of the robbers. Glad we settled that. I notice you didn't cite anywhere on the Oakland Police Department has a press release with the details. But, go ahead and keep farking that chicken.


News organizations admit to it, too: http://www.examiner.com/article/should-race-play-a-role-how-the-media - reports-crime

Oh farking really? ONE guy with a blog is not 'News Organizations' admitting anything.

Let's look at his his biography, shall we?

Kyle is a Conservative activist in South Carolina. He co-organized the 2006 Greenville, SC rally against the Lindsey Graham/Ted Kennedy sponsored amnesty bill. More than 1,000 people attended. The event helped launch the SC Tea Party movement. He has organized numerous other conservative protests and events as well.

Ahhh... A tea partier with an axe to grind. Why didn't you say so?

Let's look at the first paragraph of FTFA and deconstruct it, shall we?

Ever notice that the media is pushing a political agenda? Certain minor events are reported endlessly while some major events are ignored. It all depends on the political agenda of the news outlet. It is no secret that the agenda is usually a left-wing one.

Yes, yes. News Corp that well known liberal media owned by socialist Rupert Murdock.

We're done here. You can go sit in the corner, too. The adults are still talking.
 
2013-08-04 12:02:35 AM

anfrind: TheJoe03: They can't even acknowledge their homeless problem, weird kind of denial up there. I was told that the yuppies up there actually think San Jose is "ghetto", so they don't have a grip on reality.

San Francisco and San Jose do have one thing in common.  San Jose has a problem with homeless encampments that went largely ignored until Caltrans cleared the one under the CA-87/I-280 interchange (I think it happened this year?), and the former residents moved to an empty field next door to the airport--a much more visible location.

I don't know what happened after that, but I don't think they all moved to that field.  In the following weeks, I also ran into homeless people near the Sunnyvale Caltrain station (a man sleeping on the Mathilda overpass) and the Rivermark in Santa Clara (an old woman collecting garbage).  Prior to that, I had never seen people on the streets of those cities who were obviously homeless.


There is/was a sizable encampment by the Wal Mart on Story. I heard a bunch of the SF homeless are coming down here now (maybe they like the weather more, who knows). I'd say the difference is that in SJ the homeless aren't as in your face since it's more spacious down here, either way homelessness is one of the biggest problems in this state and it appears no one ever addresses it.
 
2013-08-04 12:04:16 AM

silvervial: I've been told that my area, near the town of Sonoma north of San Francisco, is "really ghetto" because there are lots of Hispanics, and this is a very, very quiet place.


I think that's it, for some reason the yuppies don't like Latinos. I think the only minorities they like in their neighborhoods are Asians.
 
2013-08-04 12:04:43 AM

anfrind: Vector R: I can find more info on most stories out there, yet not this one, or any of the related crimes. One person spoke out saying his station wasn't allowing him to speak on the matter, despite it being better than a lot of the tripe being reported these days. Is there a different conclusion I should be drawing here on all of the above?

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Exactly. Vector R, I think you mean is there a different conclusion you should be jumping to, since that's all you're doing - you're siting a lack of evidence as your evidence.
 
2013-08-04 12:04:48 AM

anfrind: TheJoe03: They can't even acknowledge their homeless problem, weird kind of denial up there. I was told that the yuppies up there actually think San Jose is "ghetto", so they don't have a grip on reality.

San Francisco and San Jose do have one thing in common.  San Jose has a problem with homeless encampments that went largely ignored until Caltrans cleared the one under the CA-87/I-280 interchange (I think it happened this year?), and the former residents moved to an empty field next door to the airport--a much more visible location.

I don't know what happened after that, but I don't think they all moved to that field.  In the following weeks, I also ran into homeless people near the Sunnyvale Caltrain station (a man sleeping on the Mathilda overpass) and the Rivermark in Santa Clara (an old woman collecting garbage).  Prior to that, I had never seen people on the streets of those cities who were obviously homeless.


Homeless used to be all over downtown San Jose, and were "cleaned out" in the 90's following the prostitute clean out in the 80's. During the 70's and 80's people used to look at you funny if you told them you went downtown. It's nothing like it used to be. Back then it was mostly abandoned buildings, strip clubs, and porno theaters. The prostitution there was notorious in Northern California. Mayor McEnery went on a huge redevelopment project when in office which completely turned down town around, and made billions for himself in the process(He and his family owned a lot of those abandoned buildings and empty lots).
 
2013-08-04 12:09:19 AM

Runs_With_Scissors_: Also? While not widely reported, but known to all members of the press and police presence at both the Oscar Grant riot, and the Occupy protests-turned-riots is that there were anarchists who would show up with the specific intention of starting shiat. the ones who were arrested all came from outside of the county. Many from hundreds of miles away. They showed up to start shiat, and the police finished it. Most of the unidentified black-clad shiat starters got away.

There was speculation that a good number of these infiltrators were government folks. I couldn't tell you one way or the other, as I was not allowed to investigate the claims or cover the story.


Eh?

That was very widely reported. Not the govt infiltrator conspiracy shiat, but the rest of what you said was all over the tv news.
 
2013-08-04 12:10:29 AM

muck4doo: Homeless used to be all over downtown San Jose, and were "cleaned out" in the 90's following the prostitute clean out in the 80's.


There's still a whole bunch of hookers all over Virginia and Monterrey and now that Chuck Reed decided to fark over the police crime is back to almost 80s levels. Downtown is getting better but now the rest of the city is declining in a lot of ways.
 
2013-08-04 12:13:56 AM
Vector R:

Wouldn't it make for a nice exclusive to have their camera people speaking in the station on the robbery, though? Also, wouldn't releasing descriptions help capture the perps?

I can find more info on most stories out there, yet not this one, or any of the related crimes. One person spoke out saying his station wasn't allowing him to speak on the matter, despite it being better than a lot of the tripe being reported these days. Is there a different conclusion I should be drawing here on all of the above?


Clearly, you know nothing how about news is produced. The other stations can't release information they don't have. The OPD is responsible via press releases to disseminate that information.

An axiom in the business is that you don't make yourself part of the news, which is why KGO-TV hasn't reported this. (Besides, think of the lawsuits and union action they likely face.)

You're being disingenuous when you wonder why any employee can't make a statement about their job to the press and not face repercussions. Only the station spokesperson can speak for the station.

Now, go on, Dear, and grab a Popsicle.
 
2013-08-04 12:15:41 AM

Runs_With_Scissors_: Vector R:

I fancy myself pretty good at this, and yet here's the best I can give you:

Slightly more detailed article, complete with pictures of robbed camera people: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/KGO-TV-crew-robbed-in-Oakland-4 7 04823.php

NY times articles about the rash of Oakland news crew robberies over the past few months: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/business/media/photojournalists-in- o akland-face-epidemic-of-camera-robberies.html?pagewanted=all

The latter article even had this gem: ""We're not going to go door to door anymore," said a television reporter who spoke on the condition of anonymity because his station would not authorize him to speak publ ...

So, the answer is a firm no. No, you can't find anywhere that indicates the race of the robbers. Glad we settled that. I notice you didn't cite anywhere on the Oakland Police Department has a press release with the details. But, go ahead and keep farking that chicken.


News organizations admit to it, too: http://www.examiner.com/article/should-race-play-a-role-how-the-media - reports-crime

Oh farking really? ONE guy with a blog is not 'News Organizations' admitting anything.

Let's look at his his biography, shall we?

Kyle is a Conservative activist in South Carolina. He co-organized the 2006 Greenville, SC rally against the Lindsey Graham/Ted Kennedy sponsored amnesty bill. More than 1,000 people attended. The event helped launch the SC Tea Party movement. He has organized numerous other conservative protests and events as well.

Ahhh... A tea partier with an axe to grind. Why didn't you say so?

Let's look at the first paragraph of FTFA and deconstruct it, shall we?

Ever notice that the media is pushing a political agenda? Certain minor events are reported endlessly while some major events are ignored. It all depends on the political agenda of the news outlet. It is no secret that the agenda is usually a left-wing one.

Yes, yes. News Corp that well known liberal media owned by socia ...


Uh, mind a link to that? A search for "Oakland police department press release news crew robberies" turned up a shiatload of other robberies in Oakland, but not that one, or the others. Also, while I'm certainly not a Tea Party fan, you don't expect to find information like that wide out in the open on mainstream media, do you? He lists quotes and sources, and while I may not like the mouthpiece, it doesn't make the words that come out of it necessarily false.
 
2013-08-04 12:17:23 AM

silvervial: I've been told that my area, near the town of Sonoma north of San Francisco, is "really ghetto" because there are lots of Hispanics, and this is a very, very quiet place. I've been here thirty years, and its only gotten *quieter*. There used to be two bars, one next door and one within a block of me, in my residential neighborhood, but over the years, apparently because of re-zoning, the bars disappeared and an up-scale B&B/restaurant went in next door. Still get considered "ghetto"...weird.

Especially when I compare it to Oakland. We used to have to go to Kaiser in Oakland years ago, and we drove scared as hell through some horrible areas before we hit the hospital and the nice neighborhood surrounding it. Often wanted to try the "soul food" or "Chicken and Catfish" restaurants we passed, but we didn't dare get out of the car. *Those* scary areas I would think would be more "ghetto" than mine.

The worst that will happen up here is you die of boredom.


You must have had really bad directions. Every Kaiser facility in Oakland is pretty much walking distance from a freeway offramp. If you were driving through bad parts of town, you were lost.

We must have very different experienced with bad neighborhoods in general. There isn't anywhere in Oakland I wouldn't "dare get out of the car" during the day. And at night, it's not so much parts of town as it is who you see on the street at any given time. But I'll grant you there are parts of town I wouldn't go to at night without a really good reason. Not because I think I'd be targeted, but because there's just always some shiat going down that I'd rather not have in my proximity.

But years ago I had a very old car and the only place around with the experience to work on it was in a bad part of Oakland. I used to drop my car off there, then walk through the projects to get to BART, and walk from BART through the projects when I went to pick up the car. I got some funny looks, but never had any trouble.

I'm not in those areas as much as I used to be for a variety of reasons. But I don't avoid them.

Of course, your mileage may vary.
 
2013-08-04 12:19:23 AM

Runs_With_Scissors_: Vector R:

Wouldn't it make for a nice exclusive to have their camera people speaking in the station on the robbery, though? Also, wouldn't releasing descriptions help capture the perps?

I can find more info on most stories out there, yet not this one, or any of the related crimes. One person spoke out saying his station wasn't allowing him to speak on the matter, despite it being better than a lot of the tripe being reported these days. Is there a different conclusion I should be drawing here on all of the above?

Clearly, you know nothing how about news is produced. The other stations can't release information they don't have. The OPD is responsible via press releases to disseminate that information.

An axiom in the business is that you don't make yourself part of the news, which is why KGO-TV hasn't reported this. (Besides, think of the lawsuits and union action they likely face.)

You're being disingenuous when you wonder why any employee can't make a statement about their job to the press and not face repercussions. Only the station spokesperson can speak for the station.

Now, go on, Dear, and grab a Popsicle.


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2013-08-04 12:20:09 AM

Runs_With_Scissors_: rhiannon: Runs_With_Scissors_: The Occupy stuff was the icing on the cake.

Oh I've meaning to ask, what happened to those folks anyway? Did they get jobs or something? I don't hear about them anymore.

I have no idea. I left the San Francisco a year ago.

I will tell you this, and it is the absolute truth:  I was instructed not to do Occupy stories, that it was giving them attention. I also worked with a 27 year-old assignment editor who found protests 'boring', regardless the cause. She also continually confused the Viet Nam and Korean wars.

Stories.... Do I have stories.


So... why don't you do your own news reports on-line? I would think that having experience and the *slightest* bit of objectivity and impartiality would be welcomed with open arms.

I'm not suggesting it as a new career. But if you miss it, it seems like the occasional opportunity is there.
 
2013-08-04 12:21:31 AM

silvervial: meyerkev: TheJoe03: RussianPooper: Sitting in my loft in Oakland, so I'm getting a kick...


It's easy to know the bad areas. Stay out of them. San Francisco has bad areas, but they like to act as though they don't. Anyone care for a stroll in Hunter's Point?

They can't even acknowledge their homeless problem, weird kind of denial up there. I was told that the yuppies up there actually think San Jose is "ghetto", so they don't have a grip on reality.

I must say that having moved here from the Detroit area, it's really weird to hear the difference between the use of the word "ghetto".

Ghetto in Detroit means this:  http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/09/20/google-maps-catches-teens-with - gun/

Meanwhile, I've had friends tell me in all seriousness (while living in Mountain View) that Sunnyvale is really ghetto because there are "lots of Mexicans".

I've been told that my area, near the town of Sonoma north of San Francisco, is "really ghetto" because there are lots of Hispanics, and this is a very, very quiet place. I've been here thirty years, and its only gotten *quieter*. There used to be two bars, one next door and one within a block of me, in my residential neighborhood, but over the years, apparently because of re-zoning, the bars disappeared and an up-scale B&B/restaurant went in next door. Still get considered "ghetto"...weird.

Especially when I compare it to Oakland. We used to have to go to Kaiser in Oakland years ago, and we drove scared as hell through some horrible areas before we hit the hospital and the nice neighborhood surrounding it. Often wanted to try the "soul food" or "Chicken and Catfish" restaurants we passed, but we didn't dare get out of the car. *Those* scary areas I would think would be more "ghetto" than mine.

The worst that will happen up here is you die of boredom.


I think that part of it is:

a) Rich yuppies (and software startups create a new meaning of rich) have no idea what ghetto actually is and think that it's only having 4 Thai restaurants in 7 blocks.
b) By Silicon Valley standards, lots of mexicans IS ghetto.  There's just not enough land area to justify having abandoned burned-out lots like they do back in the midwest.  So instead you end up with some sketchy maintenance and LOTS of poor mexicans and that becomes "ghetto" (and then there's EPA, which is dangerous as all fark once you get past Ikea.  How has that area not gentrified yet?).
 
2013-08-04 12:30:33 AM

100 Watt Walrus: silvervial: I've been told that my area, near the town of Sonoma north of San Francisco, is "really ghetto" because there are lots of Hispanics, and this is a very, very quiet place. I've been here thirty years, and its only gotten *quieter*. There used to be two bars, one next door and one within a block of me, in my residential neighborhood, but over the years, apparently because of re-zoning, the bars disappeared and an up-scale B&B/restaurant went in next door. Still get considered "ghetto"...weird.

Especially when I compare it to Oakland. We used to have to go to Kaiser in Oakland years ago, and we drove scared as hell through some horrible areas before we hit the hospital and the nice neighborhood surrounding it. Often wanted to try the "soul food" or "Chicken and Catfish" restaurants we passed, but we didn't dare get out of the car. *Those* scary areas I would think would be more "ghetto" than mine.

The worst that will happen up here is you die of boredom.

You must have had really bad directions. Every Kaiser facility in Oakland is pretty much walking distance from a freeway offramp. If you were driving through bad parts of town, you were lost.

We must have very different experienced with bad neighborhoods in general. There isn't anywhere in Oakland I wouldn't "dare get out of the car" during the day. And at night, it's not so much parts of town as it is who you see on the street at any given time. But I'll grant you there are parts of town I wouldn't go to at night without a really good reason. Not because I think I'd be targeted, but because there's just always some shiat going down that I'd rather not have in my proximity.

But years ago I had a very old car and the only place around with the experience to work on it was in a bad part of Oakland. I used to drop my car off there, then walk through the projects to get to BART, and walk from BART through the projects when I went to pick up the car. I got some funny looks, but never had any trouble.


Yes, the first time we went, we were *very* lost and it didn't help that I couldn't look at the map because my husband freaked out: "Don't look at the map! You're painting a target on us!" This was years before GPS. And once we learned that route, we stuck to it.

No, we couldn't take the chance of getting out of the car, even in daylight, with a sick child which is why we were going to Kaiser in Oakland in the first place, since they were the only Kaiser in Northern California with a CF program at the time.

We didn't mind the scariness too much, since after the four or five hour appointment (sometimes seeing six doctors), we would go to a really great Thai restaurant up the street and stop by the comic book store.

Yes, we were (and still are) the whitest nerds on the planet.
 
2013-08-04 12:30:47 AM

muck4doo: Bob Falfa: City Motto:
Oakland: At least we're not Newark Hayward Richmond.


Fixed
 
2013-08-04 12:31:35 AM

WTP 2: 35 years ago this could have been obama


200 years into the future, it will be.
 
2013-08-04 12:32:56 AM
Runs_With_Scissors_:
Thanks very much for your posts. I'm an Oaklander and I came in to this thread ready for a lot of Oakland hate talk but you turned it into something very interesting. Sorry you quit your job, but you seem better off for it. At least, I hope you are.

This thread got me to mark a bunch of fellow Oaklanders. Fist bump!

I moved to Oakland ten years ago, and I've come to love being disappointed by it. Or love to hate it? Whatever, it's like a sibling you fight with constantly, but when an outsider threatens him, it's like "DON'T YOU MESS WITH MY BROTHER". Oakland's mine, dammit, it's got problems but I live here and am raising my family and they go to the public schools and we're paying taxes and trying to help and no one else has a right to complain about it.

There's LOTS to like about Oakland. It's affordable. Close to everything. Lots of public transit. Clean air. Great restaurants. Art scene. Live music. Perfect weather -- I'm not exaggerating here. The weather is the best weather *anywhere*. Museums and libraries and parks. All the hills above Oakland are nature preserves - seriously, the pictures below are _from_ _the_ _City_ _of_ _Oakland_. And not just one little park - the entire crest of hills above Oakland.


photos4.meetupstatic.com
www.protoscape.com
www.examiner.com
lorib.me.s3.amazonaws.com

Oh, and when we get asked where we're from, we always say Oakland.
 
2013-08-04 12:33:02 AM
Vector R:
Uh, mind a link to that? A search for "Oakland police department press release news crew robberies" turned up a shiatload of other robberies in Oakland, but not that one, or the others.

Also, while I'm certainly not a Tea Party fan, you don't expect to find information like that wide out in the open on mainstream media, do you? He lists quotes and sources, and while I may not like the mouthpiece, it doesn't make the words that come out of it necessarily false.



A cite for what? That he's a Tea Partier with an agenda? Click his name at the top of the article you link to, and poof! There's his biography.

No - He does not cite anyone. No one. All his links go back to the blog he writes for. Seriously, it's a feedback loop.

Or, wait? Did you want me to cite News Corps stats like it's the largest news organization in the world 92nd largest media conglomerate) in the world - owned by Rupert Farking Murdock.

That poor, poor chicken.
 
2013-08-04 12:33:11 AM

meyerkev: b) By Silicon Valley standards, lots of mexicans IS ghetto.  There's just not enough land area to justify having abandoned burned-out lots like they do back in the midwest.  So instead you end up with some sketchy maintenance and LOTS of poor mexicans and that becomes "ghetto" (and then there's EPA, which is dangerous as all fark once you get past Ikea.  How has that area not gentrified yet?).


It's unincorporated, so no city services. That's how it became so bad in the first place.
 
2013-08-04 12:34:27 AM

silvervial: No, we couldn't take the chance of getting out of the car, even in daylight, with a sick child which is why we were going to Kaiser in Oakland in the first place, since they were the only Kaiser in Northern California with a CF program at the time.


Ah, well that makes sense.
 
2013-08-04 12:39:25 AM

theflatline: But people from Kenner, Metairie, the north shore, etc will just say New Orleans.


only to people who have no geography skills at all. or if in a hurry or don't really give a shiat about the person i'm taking to. if there is any possibility i might have to react with the person again i disclaim new orleans and explain i actually live on the north shore.

yes there may be nice places in new orleans. freret st actual seems to have turned around. overall in 30+ years i haven't seen much to recommend new orleans. and before you say i'm wrong it's a wonderful place remember lake forest plaza and it's history.
 
2013-08-04 12:41:24 AM
Satan's Dumptruck Driver:

So... why don't you do your own news reports on-line? I would think that having experience and the *slightest* bit of objectivity and impartiality would be welcomed with open arms.

I'm not suggesting it as a new career. But if you miss it, it seems like the occasional opportunity is there.


I have been thinking this very thing, lately. It's taken me 2 years to even consider writing professionally again, after the unbelievable grind I went through. Farkers almost made me hate it.

The one problem I have is that I live way up in the mountains, far from any urban area. Ethically I find it difficult to cover a story when I can''t go to the scene or talk to witnesses in person.

As for objectivity being welcomed? Not so much in major media these days. It's all owned by Disney, Rupert Murdock, The Dickey Brothers and Bain Capitol.
 
2013-08-04 12:42:32 AM

StopLurkListen: Runs_With_Scissors_:
Thanks very much for your posts. I'm an Oaklander and I came in to this thread ready for a lot of Oakland hate talk but you turned it into something very interesting. Sorry you quit your job, but you seem better off for it. At least, I hope you are.

This thread got me to mark a bunch of fellow Oaklanders. Fist bump!

I moved to Oakland ten years ago, and I've come to love being disappointed by it. Or love to hate it? Whatever, it's like a sibling you fight with constantly, but when an outsider threatens him, it's like "DON'T YOU MESS WITH MY BROTHER". Oakland's mine, dammit, it's got problems but I live here and am raising my family and they go to the public schools and we're paying taxes and trying to help and no one else has a right to complain about it.

There's LOTS to like about Oakland. It's affordable. Close to everything. Lots of public transit. Clean air. Great restaurants. Art scene. Live music. Perfect weather -- I'm not exaggerating here. The weather is the best weather *anywhere*. Museums and libraries and parks. All the hills above Oakland are nature preserves - seriously, the pictures below are _from_ _the_ _City_ _of_ _Oakland_. And not just one little park - the entire crest of hills above Oakland.


[photos4.meetupstatic.com image 360x273]
[www.protoscape.com image 640x480]
[www.examiner.com image 500x375]
[lorib.me.s3.amazonaws.com image 359x162]

Oh, and when we get asked where we're from, we always say Oakland.


s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2013-08-04 12:44:56 AM

Runs_With_Scissors_: Satan's Dumptruck Driver:

So... why don't you do your own news reports on-line? I would think that having experience and the *slightest* bit of objectivity and impartiality would be welcomed with open arms.

I'm not suggesting it as a new career. But if you miss it, it seems like the occasional opportunity is there.

I have been thinking this very thing, lately. It's taken me 2 years to even consider writing professionally again, after the unbelievable grind I went through. Farkers almost made me hate it.

The one problem I have is that I live way up in the mountains, far from any urban area. Ethically I find it difficult to cover a story when I can''t go to the scene or talk to witnesses in person.

As for objectivity being welcomed? Not so much in major media these days. It's all owned by Disney, Rupert Murdock, The Dickey Brothers and Bain Capitol.


I'm with you, Scissors. I took a "hiatus" from journalism in 2005, and while I think about going back, I just haven't felt the drive to do so. Thinking about it more now tho, as the startup I'm working for is out of cash.
 
2013-08-04 12:46:02 AM

Runs_With_Scissors_: Vector R:
Uh, mind a link to that? A search for "Oakland police department press release news crew robberies" turned up a shiatload of other robberies in Oakland, but not that one, or the others.

Also, while I'm certainly not a Tea Party fan, you don't expect to find information like that wide out in the open on mainstream media, do you? He lists quotes and sources, and while I may not like the mouthpiece, it doesn't make the words that come out of it necessarily false.


A cite for what? That he's a Tea Partier with an agenda? Click his name at the top of the article you link to, and poof! There's his biography.

No - He does not cite anyone. No one. All his links go back to the blog he writes for. Seriously, it's a feedback loop.

Or, wait? Did you want me to cite News Corps stats like it's the largest news organization in the world 92nd largest media conglomerate) in the world - owned by Rupert Farking Murdock.

That poor, poor chicken.


Hahahaha! See what happens when I don't have editors?

/2nd largest media conglomerate
 
2013-08-04 12:47:49 AM
You were robbed in  Oakland?!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-04 12:50:32 AM

100 Watt Walrus: Runs_With_Scissors_: Satan's Dumptruck Driver:

So... why don't you do your own news reports on-line? I would think that having experience and the *slightest* bit of objectivity and impartiality would be welcomed with open arms.

I'm not suggesting it as a new career. But if you miss it, it seems like the occasional opportunity is there.

I have been thinking this very thing, lately. It's taken me 2 years to even consider writing professionally again, after the unbelievable grind I went through. Farkers almost made me hate it.

The one problem I have is that I live way up in the mountains, far from any urban area. Ethically I find it difficult to cover a story when I can''t go to the scene or talk to witnesses in person.

As for objectivity being welcomed? Not so much in major media these days. It's all owned by Disney, Rupert Murdock, The Dickey Brothers and Bain Capitol.

I'm with you, Scissors. I took a "hiatus" from journalism in 2005, and while I think about going back, I just haven't felt the drive to do so. Thinking about it more now tho, as the startup I'm working for is out of cash.


It can suck you dry. At the end I was putting in 18 hour days just to feel like the little Dutch boy.

If I go back I know that I will be donating my skills. In that case, I'd probably pick an organization whose work I admire.
 
2013-08-04 12:51:21 AM

StopLurkListen: Runs_With_Scissors_:
Thanks very much for your posts. I'm an Oaklander and I came in to this thread ready for a lot of Oakland hate talk but you turned it into something very interesting. Sorry you quit your job, but you seem better off for it. At least, I hope you are.

This thread got me to mark a bunch of fellow Oaklanders. Fist bump!

I moved to Oakland ten years ago, and I've come to love being disappointed by it. Or love to hate it? Whatever, it's like a sibling you fight with constantly, but when an outsider threatens him, it's like "DON'T YOU MESS WITH MY BROTHER". Oakland's mine, dammit, it's got problems but I live here and am raising my family and they go to the public schools and we're paying taxes and trying to help and no one else has a right to complain about it.

There's LOTS to like about Oakland. It's affordable. Close to everything. Lots of public transit. Clean air. Great restaurants. Art scene. Live music. Perfect weather -- I'm not exaggerating here. The weather is the best weather *anywhere*. Museums and libraries and parks. All the hills above Oakland are nature preserves - seriously, the pictures below are _from_ _the_ _City_ _of_ _Oakland_. And not just one little park - the entire crest of hills above Oakland.


Oh, and when we get asked where we're from, we always say Oakland.


You're very kind.
 
2013-08-04 12:59:12 AM

Runs_With_Scissors_: Vector R:
Uh, mind a link to that? A search for "Oakland police department press release news crew robberies" turned up a shiatload of other robberies in Oakland, but not that one, or the others.

Also, while I'm certainly not a Tea Party fan, you don't expect to find information like that wide out in the open on mainstream media, do you? He lists quotes and sources, and while I may not like the mouthpiece, it doesn't make the words that come out of it necessarily false.


A cite for what? That he's a Tea Partier with an agenda? Click his name at the top of the article you link to, and poof! There's his biography.

No - He does not cite anyone. No one. All his links go back to the blog he writes for. Seriously, it's a feedback loop.

Or, wait? Did you want me to cite News Corps stats like it's the largest news organization in the world 92nd largest media conglomerate) in the world - owned by Rupert Farking Murdock.

That poor, poor chicken.


No, I'd like a link to the Oakland PD press release you mentioned. I thoroughly searched their site, and did not find one. Their archives start in March, and searching the other links on there provides nothing.

...Did you even read the article? No "anon" sources here:

John Langley, creator and producer of the TV show COPS bragged to conservative columnist Ben Shapiro that he censors black crime.

Tom Kent, deputy managing editor for standards and production at The Associated Press recently admitted that the AP censors black crime.

Last June Chicago Tribune senior vice president and editor Gerould Kern admitted the newspaper censors black crime in a rather nasty response to his critics.
Kern stated, "we guard against subjecting an entire group of people to suspicion because of the color of their skin."
His admission of guilt came after a series of brutal racially motivated mob attacks against white people in Chicago. The Chicago Tribune censored the race of the perpetrators and concealed the nature of the attacks.


Aaaaand my personal favorite:
Philip Corbett, associate managing editor of the New York Times recently confessed to censoring black crime.
Last March, 18 black males aged 16-27 were arrested for allegedly gang raping an 11 year old Mexican girl in Cleveland, Texas. The radical New Black Panther Party actually held a rally at an all black church demanding the release of the perpetrators. Over one hundred local blacks attended the rally.
The New York Times ran an article that critics say blamed the victim and her family. It also expressed shock that members of the public were supported the accused perps.
However the Times completely censored the fact that the perpetrators are black. The newspapers also portrayed those who were supporting the perps as "Texans."
There was a backlash against the New York Times for their insulting coverage.
The New York Times published a follow-up admitting their first piece "lacked balance."
Philip Corbett, however, defending censoring the race of the perpetrators. He said that mentioning the race of a crime perpetrator does "not really providing any useful information and it could be sort of boiler plate."


 That last two lines are laughable. "Well, we're just going to say that young males did a crime. Everyone be on the lookout for young males!"

Here's a link to another, more detailed story on the camera robberies as well: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Guards-sought-for-news-crews-in-O a kland-4035104.php
 
2013-08-04 01:01:09 AM
We are all TRAYVON!!!
 
2013-08-04 01:02:30 AM

StopLurkListen: Runs_With_Scissors_:
Thanks very much for your posts. I'm an Oaklander and I came in to this thread ready for a lot of Oakland hate talk but you turned it into something very interesting. Sorry you quit your job, but you seem better off for it. At least, I hope you are.

This thread got me to mark a bunch of fellow Oaklanders. Fist bump!

I moved to Oakland ten years ago, and I've come to love being disappointed by it. Or love to hate it? Whatever, it's like a sibling you fight with constantly, but when an outsider threatens him, it's like "DON'T YOU MESS WITH MY BROTHER". Oakland's mine, dammit, it's got problems but I live here and am raising my family and they go to the public schools and we're paying taxes and trying to help and no one else has a right to complain about it.

There's LOTS to like about Oakland. It's affordable. Close to everything. Lots of public transit. Clean air. Great restaurants. Art scene. Live music. Perfect weather -- I'm not exaggerating here. The weather is the best weather *anywhere*. Museums and libraries and parks. All the hills above Oakland are nature preserves - seriously, the pictures below are _from_ _the_ _City_ _of_ _Oakland_. And not just one little park - the entire crest of hills above Oakland.


[photos4.meetupstatic.com image 360x273]
[www.protoscape.com image 640x480]
[www.examiner.com image 500x375]
[lorib.me.s3.amazonaws.com image 359x162]

Oh, and when we get asked where we're from, we always say Oakland.


THIS!!!
/Born here, lived here half my life!!
//Own a home worth 2/3rds as much as I bought it, but that's okay, I'll probably die here anyway....some 50 years from now.
///Friends who moved away after high school who live in the burbs come here every weekend for a little culture - and yes, there is some dazzling, beautiful, fulfilling, enjoyable culture here.
////Oaklandish
//First Fridays are OFF DA HOOK! (great date night with my sweetie)
//Stay outta the bad neighborhoods - you might just get shot accidentally, or (worse) a cop will assault you "accidentally"
 
2013-08-04 01:08:33 AM
shiat, for a second I thought there was something wrong with Cairo.
 
2013-08-04 01:09:13 AM

Misconduc: We are all TRAYVON!!!


Except for you apparently. You're a farking genius. A social commentator extraordinaire. Someone with the rapier-like wit and intelligence to waltz late into a thread and post a pithy bon-mot that is a gift to us al, staggering in both its relevance and its insight. You're like Twain, Wilde, and Mencken all rolled into one, you are.
 
2013-08-04 01:09:59 AM
al = all

/preview is my friend
 
2013-08-04 01:16:20 AM
Dismantle all the trashed wooden buildings in Motown.

Truck the lumber to Oakland.

Place evenly in the city center.

Light match.
 
2013-08-04 01:25:01 AM
Vector R:

...Did you even read the article? No "anon" sources here:


Yes, yes I did. I also didn't find one credible link or cite.

John Langley, creator and producer of the TV show COPS bragged to conservative columnist Ben Shapiro that he censors black crime.

Wait. You're citing COPS as a news source?  We should really just stop here.

Tom Kent, deputy managing editor for standards and production at The Associated Press recently admitted that the AP censors black crime.

I need a quote, a link or a written statement saying just that. You can't simply say someone said something - journalists prove it with a quote or a link to a written statement. Then again, he's not a journalist.

Last June Chicago Tribune senior vice president and editor Gerould Kern admitted the newspaper censors black crime in a rather nasty response to his critics. Kern stated, "we guard against subjecting an entire group of people to suspicion because of the color of their skin."

Oh, the horror of treating all the people you write about the same!!! The horror!

Philip Corbett, associate managing editor of the New York Times recently confessed to censoring black crime.

Cite, please. As in a quote, a link or a written statement saying just that. You can't just keep citing an opinion blog that keeps citing itself..

Do run a google on his assertion, "The LA Times issued an official online statement admitting that it was standard practice in the newspaper industry to censor of the race of minority crime perpetrators." The first hit that comes up is his opinion blog. The second hit is Stormfront. The 6th hit is David Duke's site. They all cite his blog. He links and cites no-one.

Here's a link to another, more detailed story on the camera robberies as well: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Guards-sought-for-news-crews-in-O a kland-4035104.php

But, still no information from the PIO at OPD? No? OK, then.

In short: You've got nothing, son. Go to bed.

/COPS
//as a news source
///really?
 
2013-08-04 01:25:40 AM

Mattyb710: So the security guard was there to do what exactly?


I'm sure a liberal bastion such as oakland probably didn't or wouldn't allow said security guard to have a gun.  Even the dumbest monkeys understand if the other guy is armed, chances are you gonna get shot.
 
2013-08-04 01:26:21 AM

100 Watt Walrus: Misconduc: We are all TRAYVON!!!

Except for you apparently. You're a farking genius. A social commentator extraordinaire. Someone with the rapier-like wit and intelligence to waltz late into a thread and post a pithy bon-mot that is a gift to us al, staggering in both its relevance and its insight. You're like Twain, Wilde, and Mencken all rolled into one, you are.


ooooohhhhhhhh snip snap
 
2013-08-04 01:41:10 AM

bdbdbd: StopLurkListen: Runs_With_Scissors_:
Thanks very much for your posts. I'm an Oaklander and I came in to this thread ready for a lot of Oakland hate talk but you turned it into something very interesting. Sorry you quit your job, but you seem better off for it. At least, I hope you are.

This thread got me to mark a bunch of fellow Oaklanders. Fist bump!

I moved to Oakland ten years ago, and I've come to love being disappointed by it. Or love to hate it? Whatever, it's like a sibling you fight with constantly, but when an outsider threatens him, it's like "DON'T YOU MESS WITH MY BROTHER". Oakland's mine, dammit, it's got problems but I live here and am raising my family and they go to the public schools and we're paying taxes and trying to help and no one else has a right to complain about it.

There's LOTS to like about Oakland. It's affordable. Close to everything. Lots of public transit. Clean air. Great restaurants. Art scene. Live music. Perfect weather -- I'm not exaggerating here. The weather is the best weather *anywhere*. Museums and libraries and parks. All the hills above Oakland are nature preserves - seriously, the pictures below are _from_ _the_ _City_ _of_ _Oakland_. And not just one little park - the entire crest of hills above Oakland.


[photos4.meetupstatic.com image 360x273]
[www.protoscape.com image 640x480]
[www.examiner.com image 500x375]
[lorib.me.s3.amazonaws.com image 359x162]

Oh, and when we get asked where we're from, we always say Oakland.

THIS!!!
/Born here, lived here half my life!!
//Own a home worth 2/3rds as much as I bought it, but that's okay, I'll probably die here anyway....some 50 years from now.
///Friends who moved away after high school who live in the burbs come here every weekend for a little culture - and yes, there is some dazzling, beautiful, fulfilling, enjoyable culture here.
////Oaklandish
//First Fridays are OFF DA HOOK! (great date night with my sweetie)
//Stay outta the bad neighborhoods - you might just get sho ...


This is now a thread about great places and things to do in Oakland.

- Pizza at Zachary's
- Burritos at Baja Taqueria
- Shrimp Fried Rice from Shan Dong
- Burgers - no wait, spicy curly fries - no wait, the Oreo shakes at Barney's
(Seriously, what do they do differently than everywhere else with those shakes?)
- Ice cream at Fenton's
- Classic movies at the Paramount
- Food, beer and movies at the New Parkway
- Sitting too close in the "balcony" at the Grand Lake Theatre
- Chabot Space & Science Center
- Fairyland
- Saturday Farmers' Market at Splash Pad Park
- The revived Kwik-Way
- Beignet from Powderface (best beignets outside of New Orleans)
- The utterly addictive churros from that little corner stand a couple blocks from Fruitvale BART
- Drinks at Luka's Taproom
- Ribs from Phat Matts - no wait, B-Side - no wait, the Brick Pig House - aw, hell, pretty much any BBQ joint in town (although I was disappointed in Uncle Willie's) where there's a fat middle-aged black guy working the grill (RIP Flint's)
- Lois the Pie Queen
- Oakland Zoo
- Lake Merritt
- Shakespeare in the Park
- Doing morning tai chi with scads of old Chinese folks in the park
- Real Chinatown, not tourist Chinatown
- OAK (soooo much easier than SFO)
- Walkable neighborhoods with architecture from nearly every decade since the 1850s side-by-side
- All the green public-parks space at the tops of the hills
...
 
2013-08-04 01:43:20 AM

Fade2black: Mattyb710: So the security guard was there to do what exactly?

I'm sure a liberal bastion such as oakland probably didn't or wouldn't allow said security guard to have a gun.  Even the dumbest monkeys understand if the other guy is armed, chances are you gonna get shot.


Your ass seems to be a font of information for you.
 
2013-08-04 02:04:25 AM

100 Watt Walrus: Misconduc: We are all TRAYVON!!!

Except for you apparently. You're a farking genius. A social commentator extraordinaire. Someone with the rapier-like wit and intelligence to waltz late into a thread and post a pithy bon-mot that is a gift to us al, staggering in both its relevance and its insight. You're like Twain, Wilde, and Mencken all rolled into one, you are.


So this wasn't a justice for trayvon rally?
/had me fooled
 
2013-08-04 02:06:07 AM

Misconduc: 100 Watt Walrus: Misconduc: We are all TRAYVON!!!

Except for you apparently. You're a farking genius. A social commentator extraordinaire. Someone with the rapier-like wit and intelligence to waltz late into a thread and post a pithy bon-mot that is a gift to us al, staggering in both its relevance and its insight. You're like Twain, Wilde, and Mencken all rolled into one, you are.

So this wasn't a justice for trayvon rally?
/had me fooled


Don't be afraid of doubling down on the derp. I believe in you.
 
2013-08-04 02:18:05 AM

Fade2black: Mattyb710: So the security guard was there to do what exactly?

I'm sure a liberal bastion such as oakland probably didn't or wouldn't allow said security guard to have a gun.  Even the dumbest monkeys understand if the other guy is armed, chances are you gonna get shot.


Interesting word for a thread that has turned into a discussion of race.
 
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