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2013-08-03 09:44:54 AM
It's actually worse than I thought.
 
2013-08-03 09:56:22 AM
The next republican presidential primary should be a hoot. I'll wager that afterwards, a lot of conservatives will be too butthurt to vote in the primaries.
 
2013-08-03 09:57:29 AM
*vote in the general. Going for coffee
 
2013-08-03 10:27:09 AM
We need to get more major political parties in this country. As it is I see the GOP eventually falling apart along the social vs fiscal lines.
Now we just need a deep divide in the Democrats side maybe something along the lines of personal freedoms vs those that think we need the government to protect us from everything.

I think 4 moderate parties (and maybe a couple minor ones) would be much better for the country than the 2 major parties that we have now.
 
2013-08-03 10:31:04 AM
What's that old saying about repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting different results?
 
2013-08-03 10:36:29 AM
What confounds me about this article, and the GOP itself, is that the most obstructionist Congress in history is seen as 'compromising too much' with congressional Democrats.
 
2013-08-03 10:40:01 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: What's that old saying about repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting different results?


Stop with your haberdashery.
 
2013-08-03 10:45:24 AM

vudutek: What confounds me about this article, and the GOP itself, is that the most obstructionist Congress in history is seen as 'compromising too much' with congressional Democrats.


Right? It's sheer insanity. And the moderate (sane) Republicans are just drifting away. It's not healthy for this country to have one party that is completely dysfunctional in a two party system.
 
2013-08-03 10:51:56 AM

vudutek: What confounds me about this article, and the GOP itself, is that the most obstructionist Congress in history is seen as 'compromising too much' with congressional Democrats.


Okay, let me provide you an example here.  Let's say that Hitler comes to your door, and he
 
2013-08-03 11:16:04 AM

ginandbacon: vudutek: What confounds me about this article, and the GOP itself, is that the most obstructionist Congress in history is seen as 'compromising too much' with congressional Democrats.

Right? It's sheer insanity. And the moderate (sane) Republicans are just drifting away. It's not healthy for this country to have one party that is completely dysfunctional in a two party system.


I know many folks that have defected to the Dems because, while they don't actually support the candidates with fervor, the Dems are not systemically insane. This is not good. The Dems are the only center party and your other choice is voting for trans-vaginal rape wands, intransigence in negotiations, and a modified version of Jesus no one ever wrote about.

This sh*t is slowly coming to a head. It may be 20 years from now, but I'm glad I'll be alive to see it. Well, unless my liver clonks out.
 
2013-08-03 11:24:41 AM
www.people-press.org

That 35% of the sample thinks congressional Republicans have compromised too much is disturbing. These are your Tea-types, folks. Enjoy them while they last.

I guess the only good news is that most of these numbers indicate fracturing of the party.
 
2013-08-03 11:31:43 AM

dickfreckle: I guess the only good news is that most of these numbers indicate fracturing of the party.


One can only hope.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 11:31:57 AM
The worrisome thing is that it isn't the party that's the problem, it's the people.  About 25% of the population on this country is bat-shiat crazy.

Maybe it would be worth it to have a few states secede.
 
2013-08-03 11:35:31 AM

vpb: The worrisome thing is that it isn't the party that's the problem, it's the people.  About 25% of the population on this country is bat-shiat crazy.

Maybe it would be worth it to have a few states secede.


I'm not sure having Batsh*t World right next door is a great idea, but I'd be in favor of trying it out

/that fence would need to be pretty high
 
2013-08-03 11:39:06 AM

vpb: The worrisome thing is that it isn't the party that's the problem, it's the people.  About 25% of the population on this country is bat-shiat crazy.

Maybe it would be worth it to have a few states secede.


Except it IS the party in this case. The 25% of progressives who are completely off their rockers are marginalized and contained. In the GOP, they are setting the agenda and selecting the candidates.
 
2013-08-03 11:40:29 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: vpb: The worrisome thing is that it isn't the party that's the problem, it's the people.  About 25% of the population on this country is bat-shiat crazy.

Maybe it would be worth it to have a few states secede.

I'm not sure having Batsh*t World right next door is a great idea, but I'd be in favor of trying it out

/that fence would need to be pretty high


Nah, just a chain link fence with signs every 10 feet "Land o' Libs". They won't come within 5 miles.
 
2013-08-03 11:43:25 AM

Slives: We need to get more major political parties in this country. As it is I see the GOP eventually falling apart along the social vs fiscal lines.
Now we just need a deep divide in the Democrats side maybe something along the lines of personal freedoms vs those that think we need the government to protect us from everything.

I think 4 moderate parties (and maybe a couple minor ones) would be much better for the country than the 2 major parties that we have now.


So, at best, we'd have two moderate parties that will undoubtedly be divided on issues like guns and abortion and MIGHT be less statist when it comes to security, and two parties of unhinged lunatics who will keep us safe, or else, for our freedoms, while pandering to the worst impulses of their respective bases.

vpb: The worrisome thing is that it isn't the party that's the problem, it's the people.  About 25% of the population on this country is bat-shiat crazy.

Maybe it would be worth it to have a few states secede.


No, that would wreak even more havoc on our currency and our economy than Wall Street.  A ton of states are landlocked, too, so that would lead to legitimate armed conflicts.
 
2013-08-03 11:44:06 AM

vudutek: MaudlinMutantMollusk: vpb: The worrisome thing is that it isn't the party that's the problem, it's the people.  About 25% of the population on this country is bat-shiat crazy.

Maybe it would be worth it to have a few states secede.

I'm not sure having Batsh*t World right next door is a great idea, but I'd be in favor of trying it out

/that fence would need to be pretty high

Nah, just a chain link fence with signs every 10 feet "Land o' Libs". They won't come within 5 miles.


They will when they run out of potable water and food. I'd rather we just bring them back into the fold.
 
2013-08-03 11:47:47 AM

ginandbacon: vudutek: MaudlinMutantMollusk: vpb: The worrisome thing is that it isn't the party that's the problem, it's the people.  About 25% of the population on this country is bat-shiat crazy.

Maybe it would be worth it to have a few states secede.

I'm not sure having Batsh*t World right next door is a great idea, but I'd be in favor of trying it out

/that fence would need to be pretty high

Nah, just a chain link fence with signs every 10 feet "Land o' Libs". They won't come within 5 miles.

They will when they run out of potable water and food. I'd rather we just bring them back into the fold.


Well... maybe not right away...
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 12:37:05 PM

ginandbacon: Except it IS the party in this case. The 25% of progressives who are completely off their rockers are marginalized and contained. In the GOP, they are setting the agenda and selecting the candidates.


I think they make up the majority of the GOP.  That was always the problem with the Southern Strategy.  The people who Lee Atwater called "extra chromosome Republicans" outnumber the rest of the party.

The GOP thought they were taking the South but the South took them.
 
2013-08-03 12:38:00 PM

dickfreckle: [www.people-press.org image 290x562]

That 35% of the sample thinks congressional Republicans have compromised too much is disturbing. These are your Tea-types, folks. Enjoy them while they last.

I guess the only good news is that most of these numbers indicate fracturing of the party.


The really distressing thing about those responses is that they're clearly cognizant of the fact that they're in trouble, but the direction that they need to go is still completely lost on them.  The fact that a majority of the party actually believes they need to go even further right is downright scary.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 12:46:14 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The really distressing thing about those responses is that they're clearly cognizant of the fact that they're in trouble, but the direction that they need to go is still completely lost on them.  The fact that a majority of the party actually believes they need to go even further right is downright scary.


If they read anything other than Fox it's Newsmax or something like that.  Garbage in/garbage out.
 
2013-08-03 12:48:32 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-08-03 12:53:08 PM
Man, the Overton window was hauled across the street like it was being carried by two movers during a car chase scene.
 
2013-08-03 12:53:09 PM

vpb: ginandbacon: Except it IS the party in this case. The 25% of progressives who are completely off their rockers are marginalized and contained. In the GOP, they are setting the agenda and selecting the candidates.

I think they make up the majority of the GOP.  That was always the problem with the Southern Strategy.  The people who Lee Atwater called "extra chromosome Republicans" outnumber the rest of the party.

The GOP thought they were taking the South but the South took them.


It's not the majority of the GOP. It's the majority of GOP high value voters. That's what's so sad.
 
2013-08-03 12:56:52 PM

vpb: ginandbacon: Except it IS the party in this case. The 25% of progressives who are completely off their rockers are marginalized and contained. In the GOP, they are setting the agenda and selecting the candidates.

I think they make up the majority of the GOP.  That was always the problem with the Southern Strategy.  The people who Lee Atwater called "extra chromosome Republicans" outnumber the rest of the party.

The GOP thought they were taking the South but the South took them.


They were warned about this in the late 90s.

"The Republican Party is increasingly a party of the South and the mountains. The southernness of its congressional leaders -- Speaker Newt Gingrich, of Georgia; House Majority Leader Dick Armey and House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, of Texas; Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, of Mississippi; Senate Majority Whip Don Nickles, of Oklahoma -- only heightens the identification. There is a big problem with having a southern, as opposed to a midwestern or a California, base. Southern interests diverge from those of the rest of the country, and the southern presence in the Republican Party has passed a "tipping point," at which it began to alienate voters from other regions.
As southern control over the Republican agenda grows, the party alienates even conservative voters in other regions. The prevalence of right-to-work laws in southern states may be depriving Republicans of the socially conservative midwestern trade unionists whom they managed to split in the Reagan years, and sending Reagan Democrats back to their ancestral party in the process. Anti-government sentiment makes little sense in New England, where government, as even those who hate it will concede, is neither remote nor unresponsive.
The most profound clash between the South and everyone else, of course, is a cultural one. It arises from the southern tradition of putting values -- particularly Christian values -- at the center of politics. This is not the same as saying that the Republican Party is "too far right"; Americans consistently tell pollsters that they are conservative on values issues. It is, rather, that the Republicans have narrowly defined "values" as the folkways of one regional subculture, and have urged their imposition on the rest of the country. Again, the nonsoutherners who object to this style of politics may be just as conservative as those who practice it. But they are put off to see that "traditional" values are now defined by the majority party as the values of the U-Haul-renting denizens of two-year-old churches and three-year-old shopping malls.

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/98jun/gop.htm

Even some non-Southern Republicans are worried:

"We got too many Jim DeMints and Tom Coburns," Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) told the Columbus Dispatch. "It's the southerners."
Voinovich, a native Clevelander who retires after the 2010 election, continued after the southern elements of the GOP.
"They get on TV and go 'errrr, errrrr,'" he said. "People hear them and say, 'These people, they're southerners. The party's being taken over by southerners. What they hell they got to do with Ohio?'"

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_07/019257. ph p
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 01:02:14 PM

ginandbacon: The GOP thought they were taking the South but the South took them.

It's not the majority of the GOP. It's the majority of GOP high value voters. That's what's so sad.


I think it is.  It seems to me that the percentage of bat-shiat crazy people is polls is about 25% pretty consistently.  Assuming that less than 50% of the population leans toward the GOP, they would have to make up more than 50% of the GOP.  I don't think wealthy people were ever the majority.
 
2013-08-03 01:09:18 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: MaudlinMutantMollusk: What's that old saying about repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting different results?

Stop with your haberdashery.


President Truman?
 
2013-08-03 01:25:46 PM
Republican voters are divided: 35% say the party has compromised too much with Democrats, 27% say not enough, while 32% say party leaders have handled this about right.

wat.

Did they swear to limit votes to repeal Obamacare to double digits or something?  Or filibuster only 99.9% of the time?
 
2013-08-03 01:27:43 PM
i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-08-03 01:43:29 PM
www.people-press.org

www.people-press.org

So, there seems not much chance of a man on a white horse to lead them out of the wilderness at this point....
 
2013-08-03 01:47:09 PM
 
2013-08-03 01:50:31 PM
We keep moving the "far right" goalpost. Don't they have a clue that camping over there will not get them elected?
 
2013-08-03 02:02:02 PM

abb3w: [www.people-press.org image 290x272]

[www.people-press.org image 290x381]

So, there seems not much chance of a man on a white horse to lead them out of the wilderness at this point....


I love that only 6% of the party thinks they need to reconsider their position on jobs. 94% of these clowns think they're doing a bang up job with job creating symbolic anti-Obamacare bills.
 
2013-08-03 02:11:14 PM
I'd like to see the same poll, for "undecided" and "independants."
 
2013-08-03 02:45:19 PM

Tigger: abb3w: [www.people-press.org image 290x272]

[www.people-press.org image 290x381]

So, there seems not much chance of a man on a white horse to lead them out of the wilderness at this point....

I love that only 6% of the party thinks they need to reconsider their position on jobs. 94% of these clowns think they're doing a bang up job with job creating symbolic anti-Obamacare bills.


God damn, only 6%.  What a bunch of brain-dead maroons.
 
2013-08-03 03:46:14 PM

vudutek: What confounds me about this article, and the GOP itself, is that the most obstructionist Congress in history is seen as 'compromising too much' with congressional Democrats.


Over 1/3 of them think this way.  I guess the fact that they crossed the aisle to name a few post offices was just the last straw against these treasonous RINO's.
 
2013-08-03 03:48:05 PM

vudutek: Nah, just a chain link fence with signs every 10 feet "Land o' Libs". They won't come within 5 miles.


Pretty much this.
 
2013-08-03 03:48:45 PM
I can only hope that the GOP will self destruct half as much when Hill dog takes office.
 
2013-08-03 03:50:18 PM
Let me know when someone polls independent voters. They're the ones that matter.
 
2013-08-03 03:54:43 PM
So a majority of Republicans are still farking stupid and they still love the failure that is Paul Ryan. Neat.
 
2013-08-03 03:54:56 PM
Not only is Ryan highly visible after his vice-presidential run, but the vast majority of those who know him view him favorably.

Wait, what?

The best the GOP collective hive mind can come up with in terms of popularity is Paul "Do you even lift, Bro?" Ryan?

Just because he was the first person dumb enough to accept Rmoney's VP doomed-to-fail nom offer?

So... they got nothing. Again. Good to note.
 
2013-08-03 04:01:13 PM

vudutek: MaudlinMutantMollusk: vpb: The worrisome thing is that it isn't the party that's the problem, it's the people.  About 25% of the population on this country is bat-shiat crazy.

Maybe it would be worth it to have a few states secede.

I'm not sure having Batsh*t World right next door is a great idea, but I'd be in favor of trying it out

/that fence would need to be pretty high

Nah, just a chain link fence with signs every 10 feet "Land o' Libs". They won't come within 5 miles.


Assuming they find someone to read it for them.
 
2013-08-03 04:01:43 PM

vudutek: What confounds me about this article, and the GOP itself, is that the most obstructionist Congress in history is seen as 'compromising too much' with congressional Democrats.


Republicans are not bringing "Constitutional Sheriffs" into DC to tase Nancy Pelosi and arrest Obama for social security fraud also too Benghazi.  Unless that happens, a substantial portion of Republicans will consider the GOP too squishy.


/I want to know how in the hell the GOP can get more conservative on abortion?
 
2013-08-03 04:04:11 PM
45% of repubs are in favor of their party getting less insane, 50% are in favor of it getting more insane, and 5% think the current insanity level is fine.

What this calls for is a presidential election year level effort from the Democrats in 2014. If things get nasty enough a significant percentage of repubs will sit out the election in disgust over their Congressional candidates. This could be a golden opportunity for the Democrats if the argument can be convincingly made (and why not? it's true) that the economy will recover more robustly if control of the House can be wrested from the repubs.
 
2013-08-03 04:07:15 PM
So according to this poll 67% think the party needs to address major problems, 59% think they need to reconsider some positions... and 54% think the GOP should move in a more "conservative" direction. So basically, a majority of republicans want the GOP to do the very thing which is driving moderate voters in general, independents and moderate republicans away from the party - costing them general elections.

DO IT. For the good of our country - but not the way they think - I urge the GOP to embark on this course of action, full throttle. I dare you motherfarkers... do it. Go more "conservative". Double down, then triple down. The country needs as much of the government back from you clowns for a while as we can get, and that'll do it. Only after years of crushing losses, as the GOP smashes apart in a "conservative" death spiral like this (where they convince themselves they need to get more "conservative" the more they lose - which causes them to lose more) is there ever going to be any hope at all of the reform of one of our two major parties.

Sometimes, it's only when you finally land in the gutter that you know which way is up.
 
2013-08-03 04:09:18 PM
Sure, it will be fun to watch the GOP Thunderdome primaries, but in the general they will goose step into the voting booth, wipe the drool from their mouths and vote straight ticket GOP.

Nothing will change.
 
2013-08-03 04:09:56 PM

vudutek: What confounds me about this article, and the GOP itself, is that the most obstructionist Congress in history is seen as 'compromising too much' with congressional Democrats.


Exactly what is Congress obstructing? Perhaps the Executive Branch becoming a de facto dictatorship?
 
2013-08-03 04:15:17 PM

fullyfarked: vudutek: What confounds me about this article, and the GOP itself, is that the most obstructionist Congress in history is seen as 'compromising too much' with congressional Democrats.

Exactly what is Congress obstructing? Perhaps the Executive Branch becoming a de facto dictatorship?


Are we still using that talking point? I thought we were on the "Bama is a do-nothing who wants to shut down the government".
 
2013-08-03 04:16:26 PM
They need to add an option under the direction phrasing.

Add "evangelical direction" as a choice.

I think a lot of "republicans" believe "conservative" has to do with Jesus. I would rather see them pick a Jesus option like "evangelical direction"
 
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