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(AP)   Sacrifice: USS Indianapolis survivors are attending their last big reunion. Thirty-eight of the 317 men who survived the ship's July 1945 sinking and five days in the Pacific's shark-infested waters are still alive   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 100
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2013-08-03 05:33:06 PM  
USS Liberty survivors still miffed at being ignored on their anniversary.  Maybe if they wore a sexy nighty made of wool and had a couple of holes to use for super happy fun time in a blessed bed space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
 
2013-08-03 05:47:19 PM  
I still don't understand why the ship was sailing by itself, the bomb had already been delivered.
 
2013-08-03 05:50:20 PM  

theotherles: of the because: 317 survivors and the area code in indianapolis is 317. Can we get Brad Meltzer to decode this coincidence?

Let it go, man.


Was not being serious at all.

Like others had mentioned my grandfather was a medic in WWII but he never talked about it and never displayed any memorabilia until a few years before he died. During that time he displayed his silver star on the wall.

My dad knew he must've seen bad things in the war because later in life his neighbor had blown his own brains out. My grandfather went next door to tend to him but came out bloody but appeared unaffected mentally by the sight of his friend.

I wish I could've heard more war stories but I understand why people keep quiet.

I know. CSN
 
2013-08-03 06:12:05 PM  

ComicBookGuy: Sharks can live up to a century


So you're saying they remember the Indianapolis, too?
 
2013-08-03 06:15:48 PM  

sheep snorter: USS Liberty survivors still miffed at being ignored on their anniversary.  Maybe if they wore a sexy nighty made of wool and had a couple of holes to use for super happy fun time in a blessed bed space.


Maybe if they weren't a spy ship caught transferring Israeli war maneuvers to unfriendly nations, they would be more sexy.
 
2013-08-03 06:16:22 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: My Dad lied about his age to join the marines. Somehow you could get away with things like that....or they just didn't care. But like others mentioned he wouldn't talk about the actual fighting. Just lots of other stuff. The characters he met, making a still, stuff like that.


My grandfather also wouldn't talk about the fighting, although he was very proud of what he did.  He was barely 18 when he enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor.  He was a paratrooper in the USAAF in Europe (I think he was in D-Day), and two weeks after came home he married the Swedish girl he was dating before he left to fight.  They were married just short of 66 years until he died the same day my youngest son was born.
 
2013-08-03 06:21:54 PM  

ghare: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: [www.hyscience.com image 510x298]


// How we measure courage and sacrifice today !

You don't sound like someone who servedwith a brain.

 
2013-08-03 06:30:42 PM  

elvisaintdead: Anyway,  they delivered the bomb.

fare well,  gentlemen.


If some reference to Quint wasn't in the Boobies I would've been very disappointed.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 06:36:04 PM  

TappingTheVein: sheep snorter: USS Liberty survivors still miffed at being ignored on their anniversary.  Maybe if they wore a sexy nighty made of wool and had a couple of holes to use for super happy fun time in a blessed bed space.

Maybe if they weren't a spy ship caught transferring Israeli war maneuvers to unfriendly nations, they would be more sexy.


Don't spread outright lies, liar!

Citation or STFU.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 06:41:56 PM  

sheep snorter: USS Liberty survivors still miffed at being ignored on their anniversary.  Maybe if they wore a sexy nighty made of wool and had a couple of holes to use for super happy fun time in a blessed bed space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident


That's patently offensive. It was a bad thing to post (the bed-clothing bit) and you should feel bad.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 06:44:58 PM  

One Bad Apple: whither_apophis: And to cover their asses for the loss of life, the Navy court-martialed Cap. McVay.

His grandson avenged him by bombing the Oklahoma City federal building.


0/10 for totally missing on the name. you should have at least thrown that in
 
2013-08-03 06:51:01 PM  

gja: Don't spread outright lies, liar!

Citation or STFU.


For a long time i thought it was a case of mistaken identity. After having a long talk with a retired military intelligence officer in his 60's i believe it was no accident. And this explanation is the only one which makes sense on every aspect of the incident.
Why do you think a spy ship was there ? fishing trip ? why would Israel attack a ship of its only ally during a war but not drown it when they could ? and offered help after the ship was disabled ?

Let's just say that there are many things about that war which are still classified. Only in the last ten years some interesting documents are declassified and they show that the oily arab dick was planted very deep in the US anus.
 
2013-08-03 06:58:43 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: Dancin_In_Anson: Apik0r0s: When the war broke out, nobody wanted to go.

I did a video history with my Dad in 2003. I asked him about the prevailing attitude at the time. He told me that up until December 6th no one...and he meant NO ONE wanted to get involved. "It wasn't our problem but that all changed a day later."

My Dad lied about his age to join the marines. Somehow you could get away with things like that....or they just didn't care. But like others mentioned he wouldn't talk about the actual fighting. Just lots of other stuff. The characters he met, making a still, stuff like that.


I found out about 2 years ago that my dad lied about his civilian occupation. He was a clerk in his grandfather's men's clothing store but he put down on his enlistment papers that he was a pharmacist (his uncle WAS a pharmacist in the same small town so I am guessing a little collusion there) so he could be something other than an infantryman. He ended up a medical technician when he first was assigned to the ADC and sent to Alaska. BTW, he enlisted in 1940.

Dad in his uniform with the original ADC "cartoon seal" patch. Later the patch changed to a snarling Kodiak bear
i283.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-03 07:05:56 PM  

gja:


0/10 for totally missing on the name. you should have at least thrown that in


Some of us troll a higher path


Also, go stab yourself in the dickhole with a rusty car antennae. Red Shirt Blues got it. I'm not dumbing down jokes because your window licking ass can't keep up.
 
2013-08-03 07:09:48 PM  

TappingTheVein: gja: Don't spread outright lies, liar!

Citation or STFU.

For a long time i thought it was a case of mistaken identity. After having a long talk with a retired military intelligence officer in his 60's i believe it was no accident. And this explanation is the only one which makes sense on every aspect of the incident.
Why do you think a spy ship was there ? fishing trip ? why would Israel attack a ship of its only ally during a war but not drown it when they could ? and offered help after the ship was disabled ?

Let's just say that there are many things about that war which are still classified. Only in the last ten years some interesting documents are declassified and they show that the oily arab dick was planted very deep in the US anus.



"Have a plan to kill everyone you know."

It is the job of the military to be ready to attack / defend from anyone and everyone on the planet, even our allies in an unlikely event. Just because a plan exists, or was being updated, doesn't mean we were about to use it.

/hot
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 07:18:43 PM  

One Bad Apple: gja:


0/10 for totally missing on the name. you should have at least thrown that in

Some of us troll a higher path


Also, go stab yourself in the dickhole with a rusty car antennae. Red Shirt Blues got it. I'm not dumbing down jokes because your window licking ass can't keep up.


Erm, I DID get it.

That whooshing sound is the sound of snark shooting over your head.

I'll just leave you to hold this for me,
myhealthypassion.files.wordpress.com
 
HKW
2013-08-03 07:34:50 PM  

gremlin1: True Heroes


A soldier voluntarily dying by staying in his position to cover the retreat of his squad is a hero..  (in this case Herbert K. Pililaau), a bunch of dudes bobbing in the water not trying to be eaten is a sad situation, but not heros.

/inb4 "To a New Yorker like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich; not some nut who takes on three Tigers."
//inb4 Sutherland_nut_tigers.jpeg
 
2013-08-03 07:40:01 PM  
i had the pleasure of knowing Robert Bunai. He was 33 years old when the Indianapolis sank. He got a nice long life and lived to the aged of 99, To survive that long in the ocean all the men must have been tough as nails.
 
2013-08-03 07:48:43 PM  
Check out the Naval Armed Guard Officers who served in WW2.  Highest casualty rate of ANY service branch, but they are not eligible for any benefits because even though they were naval officers, but served on merchant vessels (mostly Liberty Ships).

Pissed my "90 day wonder" Father off to no end that the only way he could get in the PX was to go with me (who had never been shot at) while he had THREE ships torpedoed from under him during the war.  Loved to shoot at Japs when he got the chance and ironically wound up working for a Japanese bank.
 
2013-08-03 07:49:44 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Subsequent generations will suffer for not knowing these fine men and women.


My high school choir director was in the Army band in Europe.  What most don't know is the bandsmen were graves registration when they weren't playing.  He has eight large photo albums (couple of hundred pages each) full of the death camps and the survivors.  If you didn't know him very well you would never guess.

Why I despise the holocaust deniers.
 
2013-08-03 07:52:13 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: [www.hyscience.com image 510x298]


// How we measure courage and sacrifice today !


You're cute when you're disingenuous.
 
2013-08-03 07:54:10 PM  

sheep snorter: USS Liberty survivors still miffed at being ignored on their anniversary.  Maybe if they wore a sexy nighty made of wool and had a couple of holes to use for super happy fun time in a blessed bed space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident


Unfortunately, blue-on-blues tend not to get memorialized so much. I mean, heck, we don't memorialize Hiroshima, even though a dozen or so American POWs died there.
 
2013-08-03 07:55:08 PM  
My dad joined the Marines at 16 when the Korean war kicked off, I call this picture, "Faces of Fraudulent Enlistment"
fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net

Hobodeluxe: Dancin_In_Anson: Apik0r0s: When the war broke out, nobody wanted to go.

I did a video history with my Dad in 2003. I asked him about the prevailing attitude at the time. He told me that up until December 6th no one...and he meant NO ONE wanted to get involved. "It wasn't our problem but that all changed a day later."

my dad lied about his age and went in at 16 yrs old. he said they weren't picky. if you were big enough to carry a gun you were good to go.

 
2013-08-03 07:58:34 PM  
My Grandfather killed six Germans on the beach in Normandy.

Of course it was 1974, but still...
 
2013-08-03 07:58:59 PM  

TappingTheVein: gja: Don't spread outright lies, liar!

Citation or STFU.

For a long time i thought it was a case of mistaken identity. After having a long talk with a retired military intelligence officer in his 60's i believe it was no accident. And this explanation is the only one which makes sense on every aspect of the incident.
Why do you think a spy ship was there ? fishing trip ? why would Israel attack a ship of its only ally during a war but not drown it when they could ? and offered help after the ship was disabled ?

Let's just say that there are many things about that war which are still classified. Only in the last ten years some interesting documents are declassified and they show that the oily arab dick was planted very deep in the US anus.


The Liberty was an accident. I know that because part of my job wasn't just as some random guy in intel, but a guy whose job included knowing about blue-on-blues, especially inter-service ones. Absolutely nothing about the incident is out-of-the-ordinary when it comes to blue-on-blues. Given the Big Lie, it would be pretty farking stupid to try to repair that with information the Egyptians already knew.

Liberty: "EGYPT! YOU'RE BEING OVERRUN FASTER THAN YOU CAN RETREAT!"
Israel: "STOP TELLING THEM SECRETS! PEWPEWPEW!
Egypt: "Oh, thank you, Great Satan, even though we will continue to tell everyone YOU bombed our airfields and not Israel, I'm sure you will get something out of it."
 
2013-08-03 07:59:37 PM  

Snappingturtle: i had the pleasure of knowing Robert Bunai. He was 33 years old when the Indianapolis sank. He got a nice long life and lived to the aged of 99, To survive that long in the ocean all the men must have been tough as nails.


And not rust as quickly.
 
2013-08-03 08:47:19 PM  
And yet, there are FarkLibtards that wish the entire lot of them were served up.

/lives in Indy
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiLrJBHiSzM
 
2013-08-03 09:08:27 PM  
I wonder if they'd like a candygram.

www.iwindsurf.com
 
2013-08-03 09:42:25 PM  
When I was 10 I saw a "historical fiction" movie based on the Indianapolis and always thought, yeah, that's WAY too out there. . .

/My salutes, gentlemen.
 
2013-08-03 09:49:30 PM  
s.mcstatic.com
 
2013-08-03 09:50:27 PM  
Sharks can live up to a century

So you're saying they remember the Indianapolis, too?


And they remember them as tasty.
 
2013-08-03 09:55:12 PM  
www.comediva.com
 
2013-08-03 10:55:24 PM  
I guess a lot of their chums couldn't make it.
 
2013-08-03 11:35:51 PM  
Two of my mother's brothers, Tom (my godfather, born 1920) and Pat, (born 1923) served in the Army in Europe during World War II and saw significant action.  I was fairly close with Uncle Tom, but he suffered what would be called today PTSD from the death and destruction he witnessed, and could never talk about his experiences during the war for many years and could never watch World War II TV shows or movies .  He was an alcoholic for most of his life but was able to work successfully as a mechanic, married and had 3 children.  He died last December and at his funeral I learned that in his later years while residing at a Veterans state nursing home, he opened up a bit about his war experiences to his family and staff and residents at the Veterans home.  At the wake, there was a touching 13 gun salute performed by military personnel

I was unfortunately never close to my Uncle Pat and never learned anything about his war service.  He died in June of this year.  The only thing I was able to do for him was to contribute to his requested charity, Wounded Warriors.

In a few years, we will witness the death of the last World War II veteran, just like last year we witnessed the death of the last known World War I veteran.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9066371/Last-surviving-vetera n- of-First-World-War-dies-aged-110.html
 
2013-08-03 11:44:55 PM  

sheep snorter: USS Liberty survivors still miffed at being ignored on their anniversary.  Maybe if they wore a sexy nighty made of wool and had a couple of holes to use for super happy fun time in a blessed bed space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident


My Dad was a Korean war vet and retired CIA. Trust me, he remembered the Liberty.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-08-04 12:05:25 AM  

grokca: I guess a lot of their chums couldn't make it.


Bob couldn't make it. Neither could Duncan.
 
2013-08-04 12:12:02 AM  

Allen262: McV


Allen262: whither_apophis: And to cover their asses for the loss of life, the Navy court-martialed Cap. McVay.

After years of being sent hate mail. Cap. McVay committed suicide in 1968 using his Navy-issue revolver. It only took a act of Congress 2000 before the Navy fixed McVay's record and cleared of all wrongdoing in 2001.


It wasn't just an act of congress, but the testimony of the Japanese sub commander who torpedoed the Indianapolis.


"November 24, 1999
Attn: The Honorable John W. Warner
Chairman, Senate Armed Services Committee
Russell Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20510

"I hear that your legislature is considering resolutions which would clear the name of the late Charles Butler McVay III, captain of the USS Indianapolis which was sunk on July 30, 1945, by torpedoes fired from the submarine which was under my command.

"I do not understand why Captain McVay was court-martialed. I do not understand why he was convicted on the charge of hazarding his ship by failing to zigzag because I would have been able to launch a successful torpedo attack against his ship whether it had been zigzagging or not.

"I have met may of your brave men who survived the sinking of the Indianapolis. I would like to join them in urging that your national legislature clear their captain's name.

"Our peoples have forgiven each other for that terrible war and its consequences. Perhaps it is time your peoples forgave Captain McVay for the humiliation of his unjust conviction.

Mochitsura Hashimoto
former captain of I-58
Japanese Navy at WWII
Umenomiya Taisha
30 Fukeno Kawa Machi, Umezu
Ukyo-ku, Kyoto 615-0921, Japan"
 
2013-08-04 12:43:01 AM  
Zig-zagging isn't just a tactical maneuver. It may have prevented I-58 from seeing the ship to begin with.

/No dog in this fight
 
2013-08-04 03:25:44 AM  

vygramul: The Liberty was an accident. I know that because part of my job wasn't just as some random guy in intel, but a guy whose job included knowing about blue-on-blues, especially inter-service ones. Absolutely nothing about the incident is out-of-the-ordinary when it comes to blue-on-blues. Given the Big Lie, it would be pretty farking stupid to try to repair that with information the Egyptians already knew.


The Egyptians knew the ongoing military maneuvers in progress ?

vygramul: Egypt: "Oh, thank you, Great Satan, even though we will continue to tell everyone YOU bombed our airfields and not Israel, I'm sure you will get something out of it."


According to the guy i talked to it wasn't delivered directly to Egypt, it was another not so friendly nation. The crew was probably unaware of the fact.
I'd like to think it was an accident as well but some of the facts from the incident don't make sense in that case.
 
2013-08-04 05:58:46 AM  

HKW: gremlin1: True Heroes

A soldier voluntarily dying by staying in his position to cover the retreat of his squad is a hero..  (in this case Herbert K. Pililaau), a bunch of dudes bobbing in the water not trying to be eaten is a sad situation, but not heros.

/inb4 "To a New Yorker like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich; not some nut who takes on three Tigers."
//inb4 Sutherland_nut_tigers.jpeg


What the fark do you know? My husband's uncle was on a ship in the Pacific that got hit and threw them in the water. He was fresh out of the Naval Academy, not much experience, but he was the highest ranking survivor. He took charge, got everyone together, made sure the injured and worst swimmers had life jackets, paired them up with the strongest swimmers and kept everyone calm for the ~24 hours they were floating in the shark-infested water. And there were men who said that he saved their lives.

You probably couldn't even remain calm in a situation like that, much less step up and take charge. Stop thinking you're cool for sitting in your safe, comfy home making disparaging remarks about people who have accomplished things you can barely imagine.
 
2013-08-04 06:04:41 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Dancin_In_Anson: Apik0r0s: When the war broke out, nobody wanted to go.

I did a video history with my Dad in 2003. I asked him about the prevailing attitude at the time. He told me that up until December 6th no one...and he meant NO ONE wanted to get involved. "It wasn't our problem but that all changed a day later."

my dad lied about his age and went in at 16 yrs old. he said they weren't picky. if you were big enough to carry a gun you were good to go.


My dad was 15 when he ran away from home and somehow lied about his age to join the Merchant Marines. He was between South America and the South Pacific, running supplies to ships. He was so small they had him crawling into the torpedo tubes. He's deaf in one ear from having torpedoes fired out right next to him.
 
2013-08-04 10:06:19 AM  
While I was still in the Navy, I volunteered to assist with one of the reunions in Indy.  These guys had a lot of stories to tell.  They're a very impressive bunch and I will be sorry to see them pass.

Fair winds and following seas to them all.
 
2013-08-04 10:10:24 AM  
I'm currently finishing a book on the wartime experiences of a young Nova Scotian in WW1. One of the things that strikes me is how, in spite of losing large numbers of friends and seeing some pretty horrible things such as children killed, he never really broke down.
I think one factor behind high levels of PTSD nowadays must be the average age of the soldiers. Many older, career military people have never actually been exposed to anything really horrific, then after 10-15 years of peacetime service, they get put in situations like Afghanistan or Iraq and I don't think that an older person's mind can cope with the shocks like someone half their age, if they haven't been exposed to it earlier in life.
True, WW1 saw horrendous cases of PTSD, with some soldiers getting shot for cowardice. That was as much a failure of the recruitment system as anything else. To meet numbers requirements, men were getting passed through by the medical screeners who should never have been in uniform due to physical and mental problems.
 
2013-08-04 11:38:09 AM  

TappingTheVein: vygramul: The Liberty was an accident. I know that because part of my job wasn't just as some random guy in intel, but a guy whose job included knowing about blue-on-blues, especially inter-service ones. Absolutely nothing about the incident is out-of-the-ordinary when it comes to blue-on-blues. Given the Big Lie, it would be pretty farking stupid to try to repair that with information the Egyptians already knew.

The Egyptians knew the ongoing military maneuvers in progress ?


The Egyptians were in full rout. No detail of any maneuver was helpful in any way. No detail of any maneuver was helpful to any other nation. It's like filming a kick-off return after all the blocking was done and the player was sprinting to the end-zone. All the useful information (the blocking scheme) was in the first few moments. Showing the video of just the sprint is utterly useless to other teams.

It's utter nonsense.

The crew was probably unaware of the fact. I'd like to think it was an accident as well but some of the facts from the incident don't make sense in that case.

100% of the facts of the incident make complete sense. They only appear not to until you start examining other blue-on-blues. Some of them are so retarded as to qualify as an incarnation of Cthulhu, because the more exposed to them you are, the more insane you become.

Like the A-10s that strafed a British armored column despite Union Jacks painted on the roofs of supply trucks and the vehicles sporting bright-orange panels on their roofs as agreed in order o aid in ID from the air. "They have some kind of orange rockets on their roofs. Going in." The ONLY reason it stopped was, unlike '67, the two nations in question had their air controllers in the same room with each other. So when the Brit got a call and yelled out, "Who the f*ck is strafing our armored column?!?" the US controller could call an immediate halt to it.

Or the Apache that went to attack some APCs. "I see two APCs, but they're not at the coordinates you told me. I'm firing anyway."

In one exercise a colleague analyzed, he watched as the pilot they had JUST TOLD not to engage any DDs and not to fly any direction but West flew straight North and engaged a picket DD.

Not to harp on aviators, but when it comes to flying 100s of miles an hour, its sometimes a lot harder than people give credit for, too in both directions. We've lost planes when there was a "don't shoot at planes" order. Like in WWII, the general order on D-Day was no AA. Yet we lost several P-38s - not exactly indistinctive aircraft - on their way to Normandy due to naval AA.

So, no, nothing about Liberty stands out to me as even remotely hard to believe or inconsistent with my experience.
 
2013-08-04 11:39:36 AM  

cynicalbastard: I'm currently finishing a book on the wartime experiences of a young Nova Scotian in WW1. One of the things that strikes me is how, in spite of losing large numbers of friends and seeing some pretty horrible things such as children killed, he never really broke down.
I think one factor behind high levels of PTSD nowadays must be the average age of the soldiers. Many older, career military people have never actually been exposed to anything really horrific, then after 10-15 years of peacetime service, they get put in situations like Afghanistan or Iraq and I don't think that an older person's mind can cope with the shocks like someone half their age, if they haven't been exposed to it earlier in life.
True, WW1 saw horrendous cases of PTSD, with some soldiers getting shot for cowardice. That was as much a failure of the recruitment system as anything else. To meet numbers requirements, men were getting passed through by the medical screeners who should never have been in uniform due to physical and mental problems.


You cannot predict PTSD. Sometimes, it's the hardened vet that suddenly breaks down.

Basically, and there's not really a better way of saying this, but little of what you said is accurate.
 
2013-08-04 12:58:35 PM  
My mom was telling me her brother was in the Pacific Theater during WW2 and worked on deciphering Jap codes.
After the war they went to a restaurant near our airport and they had dozens of pilot photos hanging on the walls from the war in the Pacific.
My uncle looked them over and said. They are all dead, and they left.
 
2013-08-04 01:27:29 PM  
canitbesaturdaynow.com
 
2013-08-04 03:41:09 PM  

vygramul: The Egyptians were in full rout. No detail of any maneuver was helpful in any way.


Wrong.
Any information about Israel's tactics were very helpful to Egypt because at that time Israel was attacking two different armies and about to attack a third (Syria), reducing their deployment at the Egyptian border leaving it almost undefended.

vygramul: 100% of the facts of the incident make complete sense. They only appear not to until you start examining other blue-on-blues. Some of them are so retarded as to qualify as an incarnation of Cthulhu, because the more exposed to them you are, the more insane you become.


I hope you are correct and i'm wrong. The guy i talked to said he believes some documents will be declassified in the near future showing the involvement of the country intercepting the Liberty's data and what they did with it.

vygramul: So, no, nothing about Liberty stands out to me as even remotely hard to believe or inconsistent with my experience


Try explaining that to the anti-semite/Anti-israel Fark brigade(tm) like my good friend sheep snorter.
 
2013-08-04 03:59:58 PM  

TappingTheVein: vygramul: The Egyptians were in full rout. No detail of any maneuver was helpful in any way.

Wrong.
Any information about Israel's tactics were very helpful to Egypt because at that time Israel was attacking two different armies and about to attack a third (Syria), reducing their deployment at the Egyptian border leaving it almost undefended.

Sorry, but Egypt was pretty much done. No air force, army routed, even if they WANTED to they couldn't turn aroun.

vygramul: 100% of the facts of the incident make complete sense. They only appear not to until you start examining other blue-on-blues. Some of them are so retarded as to qualify as an incarnation of Cthulhu, because the more exposed to them you are, the more insane you become.

I hope you are correct and i'm wrong. The guy i talked to said he believes some documents will be declassified in the near future showing the involvement of the country intercepting the Liberty's data and what they did with it.

I am willing to bet a substantial sum on nothing of the sort happening outside of infowars or prisonplanet or some equivalent.

vygramul: So, no, nothing about Liberty stands out to me as even remotely hard to believe or inconsistent with my experience

Try explaining that to the anti-semite/Anti-israel Fark brigade(tm) like my good friend sheep snorter.

It's impossible. The victim nation frequently believes the act was intentional. Italians think an American pilot cut a gondola on purpose. Turks think we fired a couple of missiles at one of their destroyers on purpose. Some Canadians even think we bombed their troops in Afghanistan in retaliation for something. Throw Jews into the mix, and it's hopeless.

 
2013-08-04 04:00:46 PM  
Have I mentioned how much I hate fark's low limit on nested i tags?
 
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