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(Yahoo)   Failure is an option, America. We have become a nation of hamburger flippers   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line 299
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2013-08-03 09:22:20 AM
You asked for jobs. Its your fault for not being specific.
 
2013-08-03 09:35:35 AM
We've been well aware that our entire economy is shifting to service based for at least a few decades now.
 
2013-08-03 09:42:17 AM
I just hope this doesn't reflect poorly on Obama.
 
2013-08-03 09:43:24 AM
FTA:  "According to Alpert's analysis, 69% of the jobs created in the second quarter - and 57% in the first half of 2013 - were in the three lowest-paying sectors of the economy: retail trade, administrative and waste services, and leisure and hospitality. These jobs, which account for 33% of all private sector jobs, pay an average of $15.80 per hour."

I wonder how many of these jobs were filled by recent college graduates who can't find work in their field?
 
2013-08-03 09:44:04 AM
Thanks, GOP!
 
2013-08-03 09:52:19 AM
15.80 an hr. Wow, I'm surprised that its that high. If that's the true # then its not to bad.
 
2013-08-03 09:57:29 AM

johnryan51: 15.80 an hr. Wow, I'm surprised that its that high. If that's the true # then its not to bad.


Well, in my case, I make $12/hr as a full-timer in retail.  That's not that much, considering I live in SoCal.  Between rent and student loans, that's my whole paycheck.  *shrugs*   If I wasn't married, I'd have to live with my parents.
 
2013-08-03 10:19:51 AM
Lived in Germany for a bit after exiting the Army, I found it interesting that in Germany, 'management and unions worked closely together in the interests of the common good. Indeed, by law all major German firms are required to set up Works Councils, where the bosses and the unions must work together 'in a spirit of mutual trust'.


///words from a BBC story
 
2013-08-03 10:35:31 AM

jim32rr: Lived in Germany for a bit after exiting the Army, I found it interesting that in Germany, 'management and unions worked closely together in the interests of the common good. Indeed, by law all major German firms are required to set up Works Councils, where the bosses and the unions must work together 'in a spirit of mutual trust'.


///words from a BBC story


So well that even doctors in Germany have to go on strike to be paid well.

/from Frontline: sick around the world
 
2013-08-03 10:48:23 AM
We have become a nation of hamburger flippers eaters


/prefers 'Whopper Flopper'
 
2013-08-03 10:49:54 AM
"The world needs ditch diggers. Not everyone is a special snowflake."

"I'm a ditch digger. "

"LOL you f*ckin loser!"
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 11:15:38 AM

BunkyBrewman: We've been well aware that our entire economy is shifting to service based for at least a few decades now.


Yes, since we decided to shift it in that direction in the 80's.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 11:17:02 AM

jim32rr: Lived in Germany for a bit after exiting the Army, I found it interesting that in Germany, 'management and unions worked closely together in the interests of the common good. Indeed, by law all major German firms are required to set up Works Councils, where the bosses and the unions must work together 'in a spirit of mutual trust'.



Yes, and they still have a manufacturing based economy while we outsourced ours.
 
2013-08-03 11:21:45 AM

vpb: BunkyBrewman: We've been well aware that our entire economy is shifting to service based for at least a few decades now.

Yes, since we decided to shift it in that direction in the 80's.


As the manufacturing jobs were being moved overseas, coincidentally

/I always wondered how a country can have a gross national product once they've stopped actually producing anything
 
2013-08-03 11:39:01 AM

Nabb1: I just hope this doesn't reflect poorly on Obama.


I blame Bush.
 
2013-08-03 11:45:32 AM
Those of you who live in cities now gentrifying, take a look around. What were once foundries are now condo buildings (I used to live in one). Most major cities have a something like a "warehouse district" that's now upscale eateries and, once again, condos. Those reasonably paying jobs didn't move to the suburbs. They just up and went.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 12:40:31 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: vpb: BunkyBrewman: We've been well aware that our entire economy is shifting to service based for at least a few decades now.

Yes, since we decided to shift it in that direction in the 80's.

As the manufacturing jobs were being moved overseas, coincidentally


That's what I mean.  The jobs left because we got rid of the tariffs on foreign imports that game domestic products an advantage.

I have always thought that if you want to sell something in the USA you should either make it here or pay for the privilege.
 
2013-08-03 12:42:11 PM

johnryan51: 15.80 an hr. Wow, I'm surprised that its that high. If that's the true # then its not to bad.


It also depends om where you live too. $16 an hour in NYC is starvation wages.
 
2013-08-03 01:34:42 PM
Soon we'll have the largest, most educated, well-armed class of poor people in the world.
 
2013-08-03 01:35:57 PM

jim32rr: Lived in Germany for a bit after exiting the Army, I found it interesting that in Germany, 'management and unions worked closely together in the interests of the common good. Indeed, by law all major German firms are required to set up Works Councils, where the bosses and the unions must work together 'in a spirit of mutual trust'.


///words from a BBC story


Really, only in the US are unions and management antagonistic towards each other.  The rest of the world realizes that labor and management have the same farking goal: make the company successful.
 
2013-08-03 01:37:53 PM

One Bad Apple: johnryan51: 15.80 an hr. Wow, I'm surprised that its that high. If that's the true # then its not to bad.

It also depends om where you live too. $16 an hour in NYC is starvation wages.


Yep. NY is spendy. It sucks that they won't let anybody move to a place that costs less. I think they made a movie about that.
 
2013-08-03 01:40:20 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-03 01:40:49 PM

edmo: Soon we'll have the largest, most educated, well-armed class of poor people in the world.


With refrigerators, too
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-03 02:08:54 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Yep. NY is spendy. It sucks that they won't let anybody move to a place that costs less. I think they made a movie about that.


Maybe theres a reason people live there?  I suspect things like public transportation have something to do with it.
 
2013-08-03 02:21:57 PM
Somacandra: i.imgur.com

(click the pic)
 
IP
2013-08-03 02:33:37 PM
*sigh*. The race to the bottom continues apace...
 
2013-08-03 02:56:07 PM

Nabb1: I just hope this doesn't reflect poorly on Obama.


Obama single-handedly made this happen.
Because the president decides whether to create jobs or not, and what kind of jobs they are.
All Obama's fault.
 
2013-08-03 02:56:12 PM

Nabb1: I just hope this doesn't reflect poorly on Obama.


I'm afraid it's bad news...for him.
 
2013-08-03 02:56:35 PM
It's here.
www.dvdtalk.com
 
2013-08-03 02:58:24 PM

raerae1980: johnryan51: 15.80 an hr. Wow, I'm surprised that its that high. If that's the true # then its not to bad.

Well, in my case, I make $12/hr as a full-timer in retail.  That's not that much, considering I live in SoCal.  Between rent and student loans, that's my whole paycheck.  *shrugs*   If I wasn't married, I'd have to live with my parents.


You post $12/hr full time. Do you receive health care or any other benefits?
 
2013-08-03 02:59:19 PM
The richest in this country have spent 40 years working hard to drag us back down to the glory years before The New Deal came along and 'now' you all seem surprised for some reason.
 
2013-08-03 02:59:54 PM
USA USA USA
 
2013-08-03 03:00:13 PM
It's only a failure if you make shiat money AND vote republican.
 
2013-08-03 03:00:13 PM
So there are enough poor and desperate people. The GOP just needs to get those pesky minimum wage and workplace safety laws repealed, and corporations can FINALLY bring jobs back from China!
 
2013-08-03 03:01:40 PM
If America continues to advance toward a European-sized, crony-capitalist, cradle-to-grave welfare state, expect European levels of bankruptcy, unemployment, and demographic decline.

The future of America will look more and more like the present of Detroit and Greece.
 
2013-08-03 03:01:56 PM

jim32rr: Lived in Germany for a bit after exiting the Army, I found it interesting that in Germany, 'management and unions worked closely together in the interests of the common good. Indeed, by law all major German firms are required to set up Works Councils, where the bosses and the unions must work together 'in a spirit of mutual trust'.


///words from a BBC story


Here in America we broke unions backs, because of communism or something.  The idea is that they were holding back profitability, thus investment.

Well, we no longer have private sector unions.  Profitability is through the roof, and the promise of it being funneled into investment turned out to be false.  It's thrown and hoarded in offshore accounts, or given out in dividend and executive pay and finds the same places.

Oops.  We only had to allow the hollowing out of the Capitalism for it to work.  It's the grand theft by a lazy 1%.
 
2013-08-03 03:02:06 PM
This is the perfect GOP economy: money flows up into the rentier class while the increasingly poor bottom votes Republican to keep the Mexicans and gays from ruining their lives.
 
2013-08-03 03:03:18 PM
the real story is in the related article half way down:   $2 trillion shadow economy.

why report your income honestly when you know there is ZERO benefit to do so?  THE_IRS claims they lose $500 billion in tax revenue because of the shadow economy.  Any tiny violin players out there that can assist me with the chorus?
 
2013-08-03 03:03:59 PM
skiffleboom.files.wordpress.com

Approves.
 
2013-08-03 03:04:39 PM
Job creator utopia.

Problem, resident?
 
2013-08-03 03:07:41 PM
Not to worry - as long as the flippers @ MacDonalds buy their lunch @ Burger King, and the flippers @ Burger King buy their lunch @ Taco Bell, and everyone continues to pay their taxes, the economy will continue to roll merrily along...

Have a happy day!
 
2013-08-03 03:08:29 PM
Failure (working retail at Trader Joe's): 40k
Success (interning/entry level at a big time company): 20-40k
 
2013-08-03 03:09:06 PM

Nabb1: I just hope this doesn't reflect poorly on Obama.


It wont.  It has become acceptable to become an underachiever because it is currently vogue to blame the president of 6 years ago for the economy.  It is almost seem as a duty to Obama to be a failure and talk up his successes while blaming republicans and baby boomers for your bad luck with getting a job.  Living in your parents house on their insurance when you are 25 simultaneously is a tribute to Obama's successes, and an incrimination of the evil, stupid republicans.  Like any other failed culture, the young, liberal culture of failure was built on celebrating laziness and reviling hard work.  You didn't build that; let the government make it all better.

Because there are not any successful, 23 year old college grads anywhere in America, and if they are then they had white privileged or some other made-up thing.
 
2013-08-03 03:11:46 PM

edmo: Soon we'll have the largest, most educated, well-armed class of poor people in the world.


And shortly after that, France had a lot of heads rolling around la Place de la Concorde.
 
2013-08-03 03:12:10 PM
I forget, is this the third or fourth "recovery summer"?
 
2013-08-03 03:12:17 PM
i1121.photobucket.com

Repubs have been blaming the Dems and vice versa for generations...

How's that working out for you, America?
 
2013-08-03 03:12:18 PM
Welcome to the Obama economy. In a few years, it won't matter what job you have, we'll all be making the same wage.
 
2013-08-03 03:12:54 PM

choo: Thanks, GOP


Ain't that the truth. How could they not find a candidate to beat the current Moron in
Chief?
 
2013-08-03 03:14:25 PM

Infernalist: The richest in this country have spent 40 years working hard to drag us back down to the glory years before The New Deal came along and 'now' you all seem surprised for some reason.


Exactly! Why people cannot see that this has been the goal of the (mainly) republicans for YEARS, to return us to the days of the robber barons, is beyond me. Maybe they never read any history?

But the pendulum is going to swing back hard soon. The New Deal was mostly able to be put into place because a lot of wise people feared socialism, real socialism not the boogy man created by the teahadists. They realized there would be a revolution in this country if they didn't give some sops to the poor/working class, so they did. And it worked. It has ceased working because so much has been dismantled.

Either there will be a return to focus on the working class/poor/middle class...or there will be revolt.
 
2013-08-03 03:14:28 PM

Delay: raerae1980: johnryan51: 15.80 an hr. Wow, I'm surprised that its that high. If that's the true # then its not to bad.

Well, in my case, I make $12/hr as a full-timer in retail.  That's not that much, considering I live in SoCal.  Between rent and student loans, that's my whole paycheck.  *shrugs*   If I wasn't married, I'd have to live with my parents.

You post $12/hr full time. Do you receive health care or any other benefits?


As a Canadian making the same, I'd be interested in the comparison. Cause I know my taxes are higher :P
 
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